Theresa: 0:00

Actually Kip can you go first? We're three best friends. And we love Lost. And we love talking, but even more so we love talking about Lost. So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get lost together.

Kip: 0:24

Okey dokey smokey monster. My name is Kip, aka Jack lover 92. Welcome to Let's Get Lost. I'm one of three hosts. And I'm going to turn it over to Amanda because we don't know what we're doing quite yet.

Amanda: 0:49

Hello, yes, my name is Amanda, I am a another Lost lover, I do not have a fun handle that I really want to find out if that is a real or not. But we will get into that later. Yes, but we are here to talk about the lovely show that is Lost. And we'll turn it over to our third co host.

Theresa: 1:11

I'm Teresa, I'm probably the quietest one of the group. You'll probably hear me chime in randomly. I'm not as outgoing as the others. But I like lost.

Amanda: 1:21

So the plan for this. As Kip said, we are not exactly sure what we're doing right now, we do finally have the recording equipment working and that is a step in the right direction. So the idea is that we are going to go through the show episode by episode every watch as they call it. And to begin with, we're just going to give you guys a bit of a background on what kind of got us into loss and how we connect with it a bit and we will get into talking about the episode specifically and then have a few other fun kind of things along the way. Can you tell us about how you connect with Lawson, please is Jack. Love her 92 Actually something

Kip: 2:00

Jack lover 92 is not real? Unfortunately. Yeah, I love loss. And it's been a show that I've loved since it came out. I remember watching the premiere 18 years ago,

Amanda: 2:12

September 22. I think 2004 is when it came out. Yeah, so it's 17 years.

Kip: 2:19

Like I remember so much of it. And the feelings more of what I remember is just like the feelings of amazement of what I was watching on TV of like, mystery. So I'm gonna blend a little bit between pilot one and two because they were kind of like one episode but separated like the part where Charlie says, Guys, where are we? You know, where are we that always stuck in my mind like is like the pivotal moment where I was like, What is this crazy show.

Amanda: 2:43

And I think it's it's interesting to to kind of put it into context. So I've only watched the whole thing once I've watched a few episodes here and there. Like the finale, on the fifth anniversary of the finale, we held a watch party, specifically for the finale. But that's the only episode I've watched more than once. And I didn't watch it right when it came on television. But I actually watched it because of Kip, we used to live together. And he was really into it. And then me and or other roommates kind of got into it as well. And really, really liked it. So I think I started watching it when it would it would have been in probably like season five or six already. So I kind of binge watched it in a sense, but still not to the degree that you've binge watched something in the year 2021. And I think that's kind of important, too, because Kip was saying, you know, connecting to the show that was on TV, and this way. Anyone starting to watch it in 2021 is probably going to say to themselves like okay, yeah, we have like, sure this is good. But so is you know, Game of Thrones and all these other shows. But in 2004, this type of show a wasn't popular. And B was not on network television.

Kip: 3:47

No. And at the time, it was the highest budgeted pilot ever produced, I think between cable and network shows. And then which is crazy, because cable was kind of going through their golden era at that time. But like the highest budgeted pilot, and it was very cinematic, like very amazing. And like you say amount that like now people are used to that on streaming services cable shows, but at the time, it was like very, very unique,

Amanda: 4:10

talking about the pilot and what it costs to actually read that it cost $12 million to film the pilots one and two together, but still, and that it was the most expensive app until 2010 Boardwalk Empire which is a cable show. And in fact, it was so expensive. And so out of the ordinary that ABC fired the individual who greenlit it because of how much money it was costing

Theresa: 4:32

this little game like you spent 12 million on a pilot. If it doesn't do well well, you've just lost $12 million.

Amanda: 4:38

And this is again like when you have a show like Boardwalk Empire spent I think I don't remember exactly. But I think they said it costs 18 million to film one of their episodes. Maybe the pilot you know we're not Empire is only going to produce anywhere between what eight and 12 episodes for that season. This is a show that was doing the like 22 so

Kip: 4:55

we forget now with streaming shows now you get 10 episodes. Season. And that's like pretty standard. So they were doing these crazy high budget episodes and yeah, 20 to 24 episodes a season. Like that's nuts to think about these days.

Amanda: 5:11

So yeah, and that's exactly kind of how I feel about it too is when you watch it back. And again, it would have been about 2000, probably eight to when I started watching it, but even then that's, you know, 1213 years ago, there wasn't really anything like this. And it wasn't as mainstream to have these kind of niche shows like you still had comedies that had laugh tracks. And this time you still had, you know, the very formulaic kind of episodic procedurals that were popular, like the lawn orders. You know, there still is that today, but there wasn't as many of these like serial kind of,

Kip: 5:45

well, I remember reading um the guy who thought of this, who worked for ABC, Lloyd Braun. And the only reason I remember that is because they referenced him on Seinfeld. And I guess he used to work for NBC. And then he went to ABC, his name's Lloyd Braun. And apparently he's the one who says previously on last, and I always thought it was Jack's dad, or the actor who plays Jack's death, but apparently is Lloyd Braun. Anyway, he was in Hawaii one day and on holidays. And he's like, the idea was, what if we did Gilligan's Island meets Jurassic Park? And that's kind of what they created?

Amanda: 6:17

Yeah, especially my first little bit, right. Like, that's a very interesting way to look at it. Because that is probably what it is so, so true. So Theresa how did you first start watching it.

Theresa: 6:27

I was also really late to the party. And I think I started watching it because you started watching it, Amanda, were really close friends, and she bosses me around. But that's how I sort of got into it. And I was able to watch a couple episodes like back to back. And it was similar. Like, there aren't a lot of shows out there where you can where you want to keep going. Like, if you're watching, you know, like the sitcoms, there's no, well what happens next feeling and like you kind of mentioned that is something that really appealed to me. Also, as someone who you know, is a writer, I love the way that everything is kind of fairly thought out in advance. And that's something that I kind of struggle with him if I want to write like something a lot longer is like all of these little plot points throughout the entire show that like don't really make sense to you, but at the end kind of wrap up and you're like, Oh, okay. And that, to me is like, just phenomenal. Like I think they did a really good job on the show, honestly, and

Kip: 7:27

see those connections. Yeah, there was so much thought out early on.

Theresa: 7:32

Yeah,

Kip: 7:32

that connected even way beyond when you would have thought it mattered?

Amanda: 7:36

Well, especially because you know, you do here and you know, we I think we all three of us are pretty into TV and movie and writing and things like that, and to some degree or another. And so I think we all know a bit about how this kind of stuff works. Maybe more than some people obviously less than a lot of people too. But I you know, you do hear about how for a show, they usually do kind of like a season arc of what they're going to accomplish in that season. There's continuity things they kind of have to keep track of, but with this show, yeah, does seem like you know, and that's debatable. I'm sure we'll hear from some people that it's debatable. They think it all went sideways at a certain point. But I think everyone can agree at least for the first three seasons like they had to have every second is everything plays off on each other. You know, and we'll get into a little bit when we talk more about the episode but there's even things now when you rewatch it that you're like you're noticing in that first episode, and we're gonna obviously try not to do too many spoilers, but there are definitely things when you go back and you're like already that the groundwork is being laid for that. And you're not going to find out about that for another season.

Kip: 8:33

Yeah, totally. And that was one thing going back because none of us had watched it since we first watched it and kind of forgetting when these like you haven't watched the whole series, you see these hints that are being dropped in the first episode, but forgetting when that's going to be revealed or when that's going to make sense as like, Oh, is that going to be soon? Or when does that happen? I can't remember I'm looking forward to sort of even though I know what's going to happen, but I'm still going to be surprised because I can't quite remember when exactly something's revealed or when exactly something happens because it's been so long since I've watched it that it's almost like I know the main points but I've everything in between is fuzzy,

Theresa: 9:09

like the details and there's so many details in the show like when you're talking about something being revealed later, I actually got chills thinking about something that you see in the pilot that you don't hear about again for so long. When you were talking about bringing something back I got like full body chills because I was brought back to that moment where you realize and then there's just more chills. I feel like the whole time I was watching the show it was either chills or crying. Or what is happening like there were only three feelings.

Amanda: 9:35

Yeah, and for people who are watching it now which I mean, first of all, we highly suggest you do so. Kip, personally okay for so I shouldn't say that when we used to watch it back in the you know, the early 2000s. I watched it I hate to say illegally downloaded I think probably but we've more than made up for it today because Kip has purchased the $150 box out of the whole seasons. If you're it is streaming on Disney plus in Canada. I don't know where else for anyone else listening but in Canada, I've been watching it on Disney plus for what I have a membership for. So the thing is, you could watch it now today and you can stream the whole thing if you want in a day. Probably not a day. But but it's it's interesting because yes, if you wanted to people picking it up today go on Disney Plus, you can watch 10 episodes a whole season. Well, you can watch the whole thing in a weekend,

Kip: 10:22

there's something about like, we're kind of doing a week probably by week thing. And it's funny, because that's so not what you do nowadays, like one episode per week. And it's hard not to just go to the next one habitually, we just play the next play the next

Amanda: 10:36

I honestly think that it's kind of a lost art. Because in a show like this, I do truly believe that a lot of the magic it's still magical rewatching it don't get me wrong. But I do think a lot of the magic was having to wait and try it and think about if you don't have to think about it. You want to know what's going on with that, you know, getting into the episode, you want to know what killed the pilot, just keep watching. But we did not know when or if we were going to find out who kills the pilot. And I can't even remember when you do but you will. I don't think that's much of a spoiler that you will find out what's happening. But I can't tell you if it's in three episodes, or 10 or two seasons. And we didn't know then. But if you wanted to now you could just bust your head. There's there's something kind of there's that buildup that comes with watching it week to week that you kind of is lost nowadays.

Kip: 11:22

Absolutely. Because then you just you cannot wait for Wednesday night. Because it's last night and it's airing. And oh yeah, there's something about that that is

Theresa: 11:31

or then the feeling of finding out that it's postponed a week because of some

Kip: 11:36

Yeah, the Emmys or something.

Theresa: 11:37

And then you're like, okay.

Amanda: 11:39

Well, I just to like the let's talk about the big problem, which was for season breaks. Because this show you'll get into you'll realize if you haven't already watched it, that there's some epic season cliffhangers. And you had to wait months. And now if you want you you just could put in the next disc or you click next to

Kip: 11:57

the the infamous writers strike in the middle of last airing, like there was quite the journey from beginning to end.

Amanda: 12:06

You know, it's a double edged sword, because I do think that was part of the fun. But for anyone wanting to pick it up today, you don't have to kind of do that.

Kip: 12:13

It's a different experience. But the show itself will remain as magical and amazing as ever.

Amanda: 12:19

So we'll be watching it the old fashioned way, which is we'll be watching maybe one or two episodes.

Kip: 12:23

Sometimes, It's hard to say no.

Amanda: 12:26

Even though we finish watching, so Theresa and I've watched the first two together. And when I when at the end of that second one, I was like so tempted to just be like next episode. So just quickly, before we move on to the episode, I do think it's kind of interesting, because I think one thing to talk about, um, it will be an overarching theme, and hopefully it will be part of how we reach, you know, listeners is last had quite the fandom, right. And personally, it's probably the show with the exception of like Dawson's Creek when I was a teenager, it's probably the show that I interacted with the fandom the most for because I think partially there's so many questions and debates and theories and themes, which we're gonna get into it cried out for conversation. And so I don't I know there was message boards and things like that, that I would go to and this is kind of embarrassing, but even like YouTube compilation videos set to like music like I was in all of it, all of it. So did you guys also kind of in that,

Kip: 13:26

like I used to go after every episode and read every episode review that I could find from each from different websites like magazines, whatever and Yeah, going onto the message boards and the groups online to see who was saying what and everything Yeah, trying to figure out any sort of piece of information I could get my hands on just to understand it and feel like you're really sort of experiencing it with other people.

Theresa: 13:52

Oh, I think I'm the weirdo I never really I never did the missions message board thing I never did the reviews thing I did like the compilation videos loved those to the music but other than that oh and then like obviously like the BuzzFeed articles that you know like which character are you not the which character are you but be like, what was one of them like 10 things while watching last things I thought about or something? listicles Yeah. Mainly because I'd be tagged in them.

Kip: 14:21

Somebody at this table? Yeah.

Theresa: 14:23

Not naming names. Yeah, I was really into the fandom and that's really that's about it. I don't know I was never like a message board kind of person like I think the last show that I was the most interacting with fat the Phantom would be like the OC when I was like a teen

Amanda: 14:38

Yeah, teen ones are different. I think we all kind of fall

Theresa: 14:41

as deep in the in the OC world, but for this like I just liked having it as its own organic thing to me.

Kip: 14:48

Should I ask you guys some trivia? I'm scared of a future of your questions for this episode. Okay, make your best if you get the answer like think of the end To make your best last sound effect, to signify you have the answer. What seat is Jack sitting in on oceanic flight 815?

Amanda: 15:13

He's in oh shoot 23 He's in four or 23 He's in one of the like, infamous. No, he's in 48. No?

Theresa: 15:23

I was gonna say 23.

Kip: 15:26

23A

Amanda: 15:27

Okay, that's what I thought I knew it was one of the numbers. And that's exactly what I was saying earlier that like, there's something that comes up in the pilot. That's what I was, was I was actually looking at what was his seat number and I'm like, Whoa,

Theresa: 15:38

but wait, it can't be A, it has to be C, because he's sitting on the edge.

Kip: 15:45

But he's only sitting on the end because he went to

Amanda: 15:48

help Rose.

Theresa: 15:49

Right, right, right.

Amanda: 15:50

He wasn't the window seat and they do usually go.

Theresa: 15:52

I do remember actually. The waitress. The stewardess is

Kip: 15:58

Yeah, giving him a drink.

Theresa: 15:59

Yeah. And then sneaking him another one. Yeah. And I was like, Okay, you're laying it on thick.

Kip: 16:03

I thought he was very charming.

Amanda: 16:05

He's, he's he's we know you think He's charming. Jack lover 92.

Kip: 16:10

Okay, question number two. How many miles off course was flight 815?

Amanda: 16:15

Dun dun dun dun dun. A thousand.

Kip: 16:21

Correct. 1000 miles.

Theresa: 16:23

I need to I need to be faster. I think it's because Okay, don't look directly at me. You're making me nervous.

Kip: 16:28

There's only one more

Theresa: 16:29

Okay, just don't Dun dun dun.

Kip: 16:31

Well, what's your sound effect gonna be?

Theresa: 16:32

Well, I don't want to ruin it for everyone. Until I until I got the answer

Kip: 16:37

did the decision to not kill off the character Jack occur before or after Matthew Fox was cast as Jack.

Theresa: 16:48

So like, I don't know the answer, but they're only two

Kip: 16:51

Either before or after.

Theresa: 16:52

Yeah. So I'm going to

Kip: 16:54

what's your sound effect?

Theresa: 16:55

I'm gonna Chime in. Muuuureeerrrrrrrr That's not a very good plane sound. I gonna say after, before, after.

Kip: 17:16

Before Yeah, because they were gonna kill them off as like a like, no one's safe on this series. Anybody can die at any time. But then they decided to keep the character Jack. And then Matthew Fox was cast.

Amanda: 17:30

Yes, because it was actually supposed to be the guy who played like, the Beetlejuice guy. Yeah. Michael Keaton. Yeah, well, he

Kip: 17:39

was supposed to play Jack,

Amanda: 17:40

but only because he was gonna be killed off. He didn't want to sign on to a whole series that

Theresa: 17:46

would have changed the series from Yeah,

Amanda: 17:49

well also no offense, Michael Keaton, but you know Matthew Fox in the looks department. But yeah, so to begin with, just before we forget, I am going to read a synopsis of the first episode. So we are talking about the pilot, part one, we may get into part two, but most likely it will be part one. And we are going off of a very, very highly specific synopsis, which comes from last the complete collection, the DVD box set that came out at the end of the series. So we were reading. I think this is the official synopsis then of pilots, part one written by JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, and directed by JJ Abrams. during a routine trip from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles. Ocean oceanic flight 815 is blown off course and crashes on a remote deserted island convinced that rescue is coming soon, the surviving passengers setup camp on the beach, and try to make the most of what they think will only be a short time on the island, one of the 48 survivors, Dr. Jack Shepard suggests that they find the transceiver in front of the plane so they can radio for help. But when a terrifying howl comes from the jungle, it becomes apparent that this is no ordinary Island, we can go a little bit through the episode. So obviously, the the episode begins with a very iconic moment with Jack opening his eyes in the jungle, or I guess of the jungle is what they call it. And then realizing what has happened and then running to the beach. So I mean, that's a very, I think that'll come to be a very iconic part of the show. But I also just think it is a very interesting opening,

Kip: 19:35

Great opening. Did we ever find out how he got there?

Amanda: 19:40

Why he's so far away. I don't remember why you find out because it's similarly in the sense that I was going to ask when we get to it later about Kate. Yeah. So he ends up like why is he so far away from people on the beach? Yeah, I don't know if that's just because I can't remember if we find that out. So we'll have to kind of put that in our backpack Get in. Because everyone else does seem to be congregated around the beach. They're on the wreckage. Yeah. And he runs obviously to the beach and sees just chaos met with probably the only part of the show I absolutely hate, which is Shannon screaming her lungs, oh, I

Theresa: 20:18

can't even deal with it.

Amanda: 20:20

She's useless like, and I know that that becomes a theme throughout the episode and quite candidly, the season that Shannon is useless. And she's a spoiled rich girl who doesn't want to help and she's whatever. But in particular, in that moment, it's like you have you slowly start getting introduced these other characters and you have a pregnant woman in contractions, you have people bleeding and dying and all this stuff, and everyone else is so much calmer than her and she's just screaming.

Theresa: 20:53

The thing is like, you don't even have to be calm, but like, Shut up. You're not helping anyone you know, at that point, you're like a detriment to other because I'm sure other people are like, Okay, what just happened? Okay,

Kip: 21:02

I feel like I have to say, we don't know how we would act if a plane crash on an island.

Amanda: 21:09

Well, I would obviously like Jack, I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Theresa: 21:12

You would not be like Jack unfortunately.

Kip: 21:14

I could see you'd be like Sawyer.

Amanda: 21:16

Oh, okay.

Kip: 21:18

No, just like kind of like observing, assessing from a distance and just sort of making up your, your kind of your mind about who these people are before.

Amanda: 21:30

Yeah, maybe no, I think I'm such a control freak, though. Like, I feel like I would have to be in everyone's business, I think. Would I be like, Theresa?

Kip: 21:40

Let's see who everyone would be like,

Theresa: 21:41

I think I think it would be kind of like Shannon except it wouldn't be screaming hold on hold on hold on. It wouldn't be screaming it would be like, crying. Yeah. It'd be. It'd be you'd be crying.

Amanda: 21:55

When cry like I wouldn't be freaked out. But I think I would want to be involved is what I'm saying. So meeting we're like Kate, I guess for Kate was like a reluctant

Theresa: 22:02

thing. The reason I don't think you'd be Jack is because like, no offense, but you're not like that able to like help in these situations.

Amanda: 22:12

Doctor No, that's

Theresa: 22:13

what I mean. Right? That's why I don't think you'd be jacked because you don't have that instinct to like, help. Like, this is like an emergency. What are you gonna do like lawyer them out of the rubble? Like, no. So

Amanda: 22:24

I know, I have no marketable skills for Plane Crash and Crash. Right? Like no offense, neither do you.

Theresa: 22:30

I didn't say I was going to be Jack. But

Kip: 22:31

who do you think you would be Teresa?

Theresa: 22:35

Probably, honestly, probably Michael. And I'd be trying to find whoever I was flying with. I know. I know. I just know myself. Like if I was fine with one of you guys. And that happened. I'd be looking for you.

Amanda: 22:46

So you're trying. You're comparing us to Vincent.

Theresa: 22:49

I'm comparing you to Walt. Oh, well,

Amanda: 22:50

that's a little bit different. Michael is looking for his son.

Theresa: 22:54

Yeah, I'd be looking for him. I think we would all be looking for our child. If we had a child. I'd be looking at like, my priority wouldn't be like helping people, which sounds like I know myself.

Amanda: 23:04

But it Yeah, it makes sense that none of but none of the people there are flying with anyone else. I'm sure that if Jack had anything if he had someone with him. So the question Yeah, but how

Theresa: 23:16

often do I fly alone? That's actually an interesting

Amanda: 23:18

Twitter. A lot of them were flying alone. Pretty much all of them. Yeah, yeah. Rose, Rose. And Shannon and Boone were together. And Walton

Kip: 23:27

Michael. Technically, Kate wasn't alone.

Amanda: 23:31

You know. And before we go on, I'm just gonna read the synopsis for the pilot too, because I think we're gonna end up talking about the pilot, part two, also written by JJ Abrams and Damon Lindelof, and directed by JJ Abrams. I think they were treated as one big episode and just split for the purposes of television timing. So in part two, Jack along with the fellow passengers, Charlie and Kate returned to the beach camp with the transceiver. They're fat. They're found. They've found Saeed, a former military communications officer gets the transceiver working with Tozi others he can get better reception if they had to higher ground when they get there, they pick up a mysterious broadcast prompting Charlie to ask the question everybody has been thinking Where are we? Which I'm a little disappointed they put in the synopsis if I'm being honest with you, because I do think that the where are we is top five unless again, no spoilers. I just want to say Charlie, coming through with some of the most iconic moments in the show. So for anyone who's hasn't watched the whole thing yet, and who might be writing off Charlie in these first couple episodes because he does not come off in the greatest way. Just know that an Emirati can get into a segment later that truce is gonna lead us through but before we get there, just don't write any character off at any point in the show.

Kip: 24:40

No, because they'll go through quite amazing story arcs. But like the turtle, even when they first heard the monster at night at Charlie's line is terrific. Like it's just like so perfectly delivered, or at

Amanda: 24:51

least almost the and I know, Kip, you're gonna get into some themes and questions more thematically, but Charlie is kind of almost the heart of the show at this point and have kind of the surrogate audience, right? He's asking the questions and making the comments that we are doing. So I think he's supposed to kind of be the audience surrogate for this and plays it. Well, I mean, what does that say about humanity that that's who they have kind of picked as the voice of the audience, but he does ask the questions that

Kip: 25:20

I marked down at five minutes. 47 seconds. That's the when we find out Jack's name, and he yells, Jack, cuz

Amanda: 25:26

early asks, he's like, what's your name, dude, so he can call up for him if he turns around

Kip: 25:31

so dramatically. Jack. I love it.

Amanda: 25:34

We got it yellow Jack. All right, that's gonna be a theme here for a kid and

Kip: 25:38

like, I felt bad for Boone because he's trying to help rose. And clearly he's doing it wrong. And Jack like says to him, you need to get your license revoked. That was rude. Because like he's doing CPR wrong or whatever, mouth to mouth wrong. And then he comes he says, what we should do the next thing and put a pen in her neck. And he's like, yeah, yeah, let's do that. Go get a pen like so? dismissively. It's like, okay, he's just trying to help you. We

Amanda: 25:58

get it. Jackie, what are we the only here?

Theresa: 26:01

Maybe you aren't Jack. I'm just, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

Amanda: 26:05

I actually probably more like Boone. Like, I want to help, but I don't actually have the skills necessary. He says what Boone is right, like at the end of the day, Boone wants to help.

Theresa: 26:15

Okay, yeah, you know what? Yeah, you are, you wouldn't be Boone, who would you be?

Kip: 26:21

I think I think I would be like Hurley pulled, where I need to go to help who I need to help being told what to do. And kind of sitting and keeping the pregnant lady company.

Amanda: 26:32

And he is good at like, you'll see. Jack does rely on Him throughout these. You get asked him you know, a lot of things that we'll get through kind of, but he does kind of see him like Harley as kind of someone he can rely on and go to. And that's always good to have. We get

Kip: 26:48

to Jack's sort of finding his gash on his side of his body. And he's trying to like, decide to stitch it up because he went and found a needle. And this is where we meet

Amanda: 26:58

Kate's coming out of the jungle as well. Where was K coming from? Oh, I never thought of that either. Right? You do find out where Kate was coming from? Oh, you do? Okay. Good. Interesting. Oh, and I can't remember now if you just if it's very overt or you just realize, but I think it's very clear by the end of the second episode that Kate is the prisoner from the plane. Oh, yeah. It's known. Yeah. Trying to get the cops on. Right. Right. Okay, that's right. Yeah. So whether that's overtly explained later on, or we just realized that once we realized that she's also robbing her. Yeah, she's robbing her wrists when we first meet her. Yeah. And you know, if you don't know anything, like you said, I

Kip: 27:38

think she's just kind of like coming out. And yeah, what's going on, but it was a great little sort of

Daniel: 27:43

foreshadow,

Amanda: 27:44

but I also thought it was kind of funny. She just kind of walks out nonchalantly, and then Jack, she's like, Hey, stitch me up.

Kip: 27:50

I also didn't like his line. Did you ever patch a pair of jeans?

Amanda: 27:53

Is that what he said?

Kip: 27:54

Yeah. Because I was so disturbed by it.

Amanda: 27:59

And I also I did, she's like, I sewed my curtains once or whatever. And then she and then she, they're doing it and then she's like, it's just like your see your, your, your curtains. And she's like, I used a sewing machine for that. It's why when you explain that

Kip: 28:14

it's very clear, but I use a sewing machine.

Amanda: 28:17

Yeah, it's very clear that he's going to be asking you to sew the side of his body up. And there's no sewing machine present. Just Just lie on the side. I just thought that was very kind of a little bit obnoxious because it's like, she's like, well, I've sewn my drapes before. Like, okay, clearly not well, you know, I'm not gonna like he gets it gets a polarizing character for sure. And I'm not a huge fan of Kate and I do throw the show. We'll talk about that. Because I do think that there might be some misplaced mid 2000 misogyny at play as well. But

Kip: 28:51

I do like Kate, but I think I like her more rewatching because I know her story. Yeah. And obviously, that's going to happen, right. So but at 11 minutes, 40 seconds, we meet Sawyer smoking

Theresa: 29:08

smoking hot, and I can't believe I said that. That's awful.

Amanda: 29:12

It is really really, really hard. Yeah,

Kip: 29:15

he's got those dimples. Yeah, no,

Amanda: 29:18

I just He's so charming. Even though he's such a deck.

Kip: 29:21

He's such an asshole. But he's got that Southern charm and those

Amanda: 29:25

symbols your eye and hair and just I mean, that being said, though, later on in these first two episodes, in particular, he is not likable, like No at all. No. And it's very difficult to get to and this is another thing where it'd be interesting to kind of be rewatching for the first time because it's like do I did I like Sawyer in episodes wanted to write or did I do I like him now, with the benefit of hindsight, I think I hate to say that but I think even though he was a dick, I still kind of liked him in the first couple of years. But that's

Theresa: 29:57

kind of your your thing is you Love the like super hot, bad boy, but like who you kind of know isn't like a bad bad boys with a heart of gold is

Amanda: 30:07

my trope,

Kip: 30:08

but I also think that that was probably intentional on the writers part to make him you're not sure what but there's something about them that you like and I think that would probably have to do with really good acting by Josh Holloway. Yeah, he's in Yellowstone right now. Oh, it's a great show. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. We're obsessed.

Amanda: 30:30

I want to watch it. There you go. Shout out to Josh Holloway. That's what he's doing. Sawyer. He's done Yellowstone, go check them out equally as Turman. Yeah, he is a very good actor. Like he's done a few things over the years, you know, nothing huge, huge. But he's, you know, consistently worked, I think since and he's just always he's in an episode of community where he plays kind of like this, like, kind of mysterious character. And he's so good in it. Right. Like, he's just You're right. He's a phenomenal actor. And there is something about Sawyer that even though you know, he's being painted as the villain kind of in the beginning, that you know, it's not going to be that black and white.

Kip: 31:03

Yeah, exactly. Like they did a great job of of making that clear where it could have been so easily that this guy's just a redneck asshole.

Amanda: 31:11

Yeah. My buddy. Yeah. So you do you're gonna get these little bits and pieces of these iconic characters. And so yeah, you meet Sawyer. And you see that he's reading a letter at one point. That's obviously going to become very important that letter, there's very few things. Again, you you see in this pilot that you don't pay attention to that become important later. Right. And you meet son engine, son engine are obviously going to be I mean, I think it's very clear which characters are going to be important. And I think when you first see like, son, and Jin, for example, and even I think Michael and Walt, and then lock, which we'll talk about in a second, I don't even think you know, who Locke is, at this point, or what his name is. Cyanogen have said, I don't think Sen speaks in the first part of the pilot either. And on to the second one. Yeah, Michael bear has like one or two lines, it's really very Jack focused. And then you know, you get a lot of Boone and Shannon, and then Kate. But you don't really get a lot of those kinds of side side main characters yet. But all you see of Locke in this episode is,

Kip: 32:15

well, he's very briefly seen helping Jack and random extra, move the body move that guy out from under that wreckage, and then but like, probably, you know, at that point, he could just be another extra because they don't focus on Him. They don't He doesn't say anything. So yeah,

Amanda: 32:31

we're essentially naming a character right now that if you haven't watched it yet, you don't know who we're talking about. But we're talking about the older bald gentleman with the orange slice and scar down his fair cut down his face. And that is again, one of those kind of iconic last moments.

Kip: 32:49

I didn't like it.

Theresa: 32:50

I hated it. Honestly, like, There's something so disturbing about it.

Amanda: 32:54

You guys, can I just say rewatching it is disturbing. What I find even more disturbing, is how he chews on the orange slice officer.

Kip: 33:03

Like, envelops it with his upper mouth and it just freaks me out who chews on

Amanda: 33:09

the outside of an orange rind.

Kip: 33:11

I know. Like I know,

Amanda: 33:12

you guys are on an island. But at this point, you don't know how long you're going to be. You can't eat the orange rinds yet. John Locke,

Kip: 33:17

I just, I don't understand. That's so

Theresa: 33:19

creepy. Like it just gives you like a weird feeling. Because there's some you know, when you think of orange slices, you think like soccer games and whatever. And then you have this old dude, with it in its mouth with a scar on his face, like, scar from The Lion King. Like the whole thing is like, you're like straddling the line between like, innocence. And then what is wrong with you?

Kip: 33:40

And I guess maybe that is, it's just like, Who is this guy? And what the fuck is he about? What

Amanda: 33:45

was the I knew? Right? I think that is for sure. What the point is, is that there are some characters that they don't want to necessarily give too much away for the beginning, right?

Kip: 33:54

I just want to go back to something that really, I thought was weird. That leaf plane that Jack made. Yeah. When there. He's describing a plane crash and like, when did you sit there and make this replica of the jet out of a banana leaf or palm leaf, whatever

Amanda: 34:13

it is. And why is it necessary?

Kip: 34:15

Couldn't you just use a stick? I can't imagine him sitting there whittling a leaf to make a model plane I just Well, he's very

Amanda: 34:26

easy, leaving seeds very important. Utilize your time a bit better. Piece of draft shrapnel in his chest or whatever. Yeah, no, I mean, he does a great job for the most part, right like you do. You do think you're definitely supposed to kind of fall in love a little bit with Jack and those first couple episodes. And I think it's, again, we're kind of jumping around. So if you have more to talk about kind of in order.

Kip: 34:54

No. I had a few little notes here like the fact that Hurley gives Claire extra meal I thought was cute. So, you know, he's just you, he walks away and then you just see his hand come out from off screen. I thought that was really sweet.

Amanda: 35:07

Just in general, I thought Claire was adorable. Yeah, and like just her little storyline like and when she's talking to Shannon, she was like, I had a belly or a stomach once and she's just very sweet. I also made a note about Claire in particular, when we're talking about her that when she takes off her tank top, which is just seems to be over like a black dress that's like peak 2000s fashion right there. Like the show shows like lost or good in the sense that like, because of the format of it, it's not going to age too poorly because they're on an island. Who knows what the technology is or isn't. But when you get to look for little things like that, that aged and that, to me was like the epitome of like, because when she takes it off, and it's just a full outfit underneath, you're like, Oh yeah, for sure. You remember those layers of the 2000s right where you're like, I'm gonna put this tank top over this dress, and I thought that was super funny. Yeah, so much she is she is so adorable. And yeah, the Hurley thinks cute.

Kip: 35:59

Because right around now is when we hear the monster for the first time.

Amanda: 36:05

Yes. Or as well says, is that Vincent?

Kip: 36:09

Like? No, he's 80 foot tall monster that's knocking on trees down.

Amanda: 36:20

But it is very terrifying. And I also forgot how quickly you see the glimpses of this mysterious entity for lack of a better word, whatever that monster, which is colloquially referred to as the smoke monster. I think they talked about it a little bit even in that episode, maybe. But I don't think they say smoke monster. But in pop culture. I think if you've heard of loss, you've heard of the smoke monster. That is what they're referring to. It's not much of a spoiler, you've seen that there is some thing on the island that is causing destruction. And funnily enough when we talk about that, and we're gonna go obviously to the plant in the cockpit and things like that. And that's the pilot getting killed. That was apparently when the jack character was supposed to be killed.

Kip: 37:05

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh, really, he was supposed to be the one pulled out and killed by the monster.

Amanda: 37:10

So it's funny, because I almost feel like it's up until Jack walks out of the jungle there. That that that's when they had changed his script. Because you just have Kate and Charlie coming across this body. And it was probably like, Jack Yeah. And then they're like, oh, shit, we don't want it to be Jack anymore. So Jack could juggle now and then we're gonna rewrite the rest of it. Because yeah, at that moment, you're you don't know,

Kip: 37:32

which is so interesting. Because going back to like, earlier, when we're talking about how much of this show the series was planned out, yet, Jack becomes such an integral character for not just the show, but for the island. And for those survivors and everyone like what, who would have taken that place? I wonder?

Amanda: 37:51

Well, apparently, according to my very minimal research, it was supposed to be Kate and what I think, again, I don't want to this is entirely speculation. This isn't not me. shitting on ABC or Damon Lindelof or Carlton Cuse or anyone involved with it, because I think they're all brilliant. i You do have to question though, what? Why did that decision change? And was it because they were going to make it a woman? Oh, you have to ask those questions. Right?

Kip: 38:18

Do you think maybe like, of course, there could have been some studio head. Like, we can't have a woman be the

Amanda: 38:23

lead? No. Or they did a test group and they the test group, you know, or like, we're not gonna Yeah, we're not gonna watch this woman. No one's gonna listen to this woman. Like, you know, I mean, it's 2004. But let's not pretend that that doesn't still happen in 2021. We're just more quiet about it. Yeah. So I do a truly without having any actual knowledge or anything. I do think that had played a role in it. And then they wanted to keep you know, the hot man. You know, and Matthew, I mean, what it was Michael Keaton, that's a whole different thing. But you know, they probably, I do get the whole, like, no one's safe. Because that is like an interesting way to play it. But it's also a very dangerous game to kind of polarize your audience at that, that early stage because you get people invested. Like think about how many people were still mad at the end of Game of Thrones Season One. And that was a whole season with the guy on another show that's like infamous for killing off a lot of characters is Grey's Anatomy. And you get to a point where you know, Meredith Gray's and dying, because the show is called Grey's Anatomy, right? So it's like as much as you like no one say if you're like, Well, some people are in definitely safe. right like so. And it gets to a point where it's not realistic either, right? Like, you know, on a show like this it makes a little bit more sense that Jack could have died within minutes of of landing on a they all probably should have died. But still, you gotta say like, well, he survived this long just to kill them off like that. You know, that's, that's, that's kind of tricky.

Kip: 39:47

I want to go back to set before they'd go to the go look for the pilot there on the beach talking about the monster. And you kind of it's focused on Jack, but you can kind of hear what the background people are saying and you can hear rose saying there's something so familiar hear about that sound? And then I don't know who says it but someone says really? Where are you from? She was from the Bronx. I just thought that was a weird, like a weird thing to obviously include because it's even in the subtitles, so it's obviously

Amanda: 40:12

heard. So what is the like? connection there? I wonder like what in the Bronx sounds like?

Kip: 40:19

Wondering, like what's going on in the Bronx?

Amanda: 40:21

Yeah. What's going on? Like, what do you think? Yes, that's very, I don't I don't think I picked up on that.

Kip: 40:26

And then you also hear Sawyer say, or someone says, maybe it's monkeys. And then you hear Sawyer? Say Monkey Island.

Amanda: 40:35

Oh my god,

Kip: 40:36

I have two points about lock here. That 25 minutes 11 seconds, we see the orange peel, smile. Don't like it. Then at 28 minutes, 56 seconds. I lock sitting in the rain like an idiot.

Amanda: 40:48

So yeah, again, that is so funny. Because in hindsight, you're like, Okay, I get it. And we may bring on it as a special guest to talk about lock. Someone in our I should say our friend group in particular does a lot of people like last and, and they like it to the very bitter end. Because I know that some people will say, Oh, it's only good for the first little while that's not sure if you're listening, get stick it out. But one of our friends is very into the character of LOC and has a lot to say on him. And so he would have a lot to say about that at the orange peel smile and the sitting in the rain. But the rain thing again is creepy, because it makes it seem like this guy does not care what's happening.

Kip: 41:29

Exactly. Yeah, it's very. They show everyone else running for cover trying to get under stuff hide from the rain. And he's just embracing it. He's sitting there literally lifting his arms into the sky being like, This is amazing. Because you

Amanda: 41:42

get the impression that Sawyer is a jerk and he doesn't care what happens and he doesn't care who lives and dies. But at the end of the day, you know that he has emotions towards what's happening. Like he's got some anger and some fear. He wants to be a part of things. He obviously took that gun off the martial for a reason. And so you have like a villainous kind of like, person who's kind of going to be the antagonist maybe but then you have this character who just doesn't seem to like like you have to want to like to see not appreciate what's going on. Does he not care? Why is he okay? And you can tell when Kate when he smiles at Kate and Kate kind of gives them that like you can tell she's thinking the same thing. Like what's wrong with you? Why aren't you scared? Like you don't do screaming like Shannon, but everyone has some level of though I don't I don't I don't like any other locks. Locks. Not a not a very likable character at this at this point. I don't think no. And even when I think it's in the second pilot part of the pilot, when he's explaining how I said, backgammon. So when he's explaining that to him like he doesn't seem very nice.

Kip: 42:42

No, cuz they ended with him saying John X. Oh, you're

Amanda: 42:45

seeing flashbacks to for these trips is the plane crash? Yeah, exactly. And so you see, you know, Jack asked for another drink. And then you see, you know, Kate with or Charlie with the heroin, which is very unfortunate. And then you see Kate ask the martial. The last thing she says to him is Can I ask you for a favor? And to me that's kind of the same as like, do you want to know a secret? It's like these, they cut these things out? It's like, well, I want to know a secret. I want to know what the favor was. But do you find out what the secret is? That he actually told him? I don't know. Do you find out what her favorite was? I can't remember. It doesn't matter. I don't know. And that's what's so good about the show is like the mystery of like, what's going on on the island? How did they get there? Are they gonna get off? Are they gonna murder each other first, like, what's the smoke monster? Those are like big mysteries. But then the driving force really at the end of it is still these characters. Yeah, exactly. There's this other whole part of like, Why are these people on this plane? What's going on in their lives? Why is she in handcuffs? Why is you know, whatever, right? So it's, it kind of gets to an all front well, and

Kip: 43:50

I think that was the magic of it. And maybe why there's such a why there's such a division between like the two camps of lost lovers like those who just get entrenched in the mystery and the and the like, sort of mythology of the island and those who appreciate that and like it but really are there for the characters and the characters drive the story and like you really want to know all about these characters. You want to know the backstory and the beauty of it is through all the flashbacks as we get to learn all these things about the characters without just having these weird like story monologues in the middle of the show, right? That will just be awkward, but we get to see it happen and I think that for me was the main reason is like you really fall in love with the characters the good ones, the bad ones like all of them because they they become very deep, very real and relatable, like even the flawed characters you can relate to sort of some of the reasons why they're the way they are because you see even a little bit of that in yourself or in people you know and everything like that

Amanda: 44:49

well and then to like the back end and the black and white light and dark thing that obviously becomes a theme as well. But the Yeah, the idea is I do think is it is I don't think any Anyone who's heard of loss has heard that it's very polarizing to fans, there are people who absolutely love it. I think that goes for everyone sitting at this table. And most of the people I know that washed as well loved it. But there are people who hated it.

Kip: 45:13

And there's people who hate how it ended. Yeah. And the last season, the only show I can think of recently, like that is Game of Thrones, but very different.

Amanda: 45:23

But it's also really unfortunate that any fandom anywhere would let one or two episodes ruin an entire experience for yourself. I do get it, but I just think it's unfortunate, but I do agree Game of Thrones might be the best example since.

Kip: 45:37

But even with Game of Thrones, I am of the camp where I was disappointed in the ending, and it didn't ruin the series. But because I found it so out of place. I've just disregarded the whole series. I rarely think of it, I have no desire to go back and revisit it no desire to even really read the books, if they were to come up with the new books where I've read all the books before it was just so poorly done, and very obviously rushed that it didn't feel like the whole show, we'd come to love whereas last, I mean, we're not gonna get into the finale, but it was consistent. Yeah. Just some fans who didn't like the ending, they didn't like the story that was being told, which is a shame.

Amanda: 46:20

You, right? That's exactly what it is. It's like, No, you can't please everyone, right? So but if you if you stay true to the show, and the characters, you build the things, like that's what I think the issue was with Great Game of Thrones is it felt like a betrayal of the characters. And you should not do that. I don't I don't make TV. But I can tell you that I'm pretty sure that you you these because you watch a show for six seasons, or seven seasons, I think it was you're invested in these people's lives if they turn around and act completely different than what you think has come to be who they are. And that's one thing I think we've lost is like the characters make decisions throughout, you're not going to like every single one. But every single decision makes sense based on what has come before, even if it's not what you would have done, it's consistent to some level of who they are. Definitely. And the character development is fantastic.

Theresa: 47:08

It's it's probably one of the best character developments I've

Amanda: 47:11

liked by the, you know, I can't guarantee you like the show, but I guarantee at the end of watching it, you'll have fallen in love into some degree with almost every character on it,

Theresa: 47:21

and then hated some of them just like in the middle,

Kip: 47:23

we'll just say this. She was just quickly say how this episode ends. And then I want to get into Teresa's the whole

Amanda: 47:31

thing kind of you know, and we kind of went back and forth a bit on it. But essentially, you know, they they find the transceiver, they go and they

Kip: 47:38

the pilots killed by the monster. Yeah, I think we set that.

Amanda: 47:41

Which is obviously a big thing, because now you know that it's not just a noise. Right? It's it's disruptive, it's going to cause damage. And that's specific. Like it seems specific. Right? Is it targeted? We don't know yet. But it's it seems intentional, at the very least. Yeah,

Kip: 48:03

exactly. They did didn't come in there and just kill everybody in that plane like Jack and Kate and Charlie took the pilot and then made some noise and then left. Yeah, it didn't sit there and wait for everybody else.

Amanda: 48:13

No. So you have to you have to ask yourself, you know, at the very end this does not seem like an accident. No. Okay, this is and when you look at the state of the body, it's not it doesn't look like it's for food,

Kip: 48:22

either. Because and that's how the episode ends is Charlie and Claire are Claire curly and Kate find the body up in the trees of the pilot and you just see it's mutilated.

Amanda: 48:31

Yeah, so that there was an intentional killing of a person. And then in the second part when they're going through the transit where you see the polar bear, that's which is probably the second kind of biggest, like, what the fuck moment it's like, why is there a polar bear on the side? And they all I think they articulate that quite well amongst themselves. And that's when you kind of find out about Kate being the prisoner and the US Marshal waking up saying where is she? So you know, you've got that like is that going to come to head we don't know so we're kind of left with those are the two big kind of mysteries at the end of it is they get that transceiver message and Charlie kind of you know before that the US Marshals like where is she? So is he going to die right away in case secrets gonna die with him? Or Is he awake now and he's gonna, you know, these what I what bothers me the most with Kate. And that whole thing is Kate, you're the prisoner. And the idea of there being a prisoner is causing immense turmoil amongst

Kip: 49:23

exactly like, especially when they find the handcuffs and the fight breaks out on the beach between Sawyer and Saeed

Amanda: 49:30

and that fight is not in any way. Okay. And so his belief system is not in any way okay.

Kip: 49:36

Kate sees this happening and does and does nothing knowing that she could settle it right there right then and there. That to

Amanda: 49:43

me is going to be somatic of Kate's character going forward. At the end of the day is it catch take responsibility,

Kip: 49:50

right, Jack says it even in the second episode, you seem to why is it anytime there's a chance to run into the jungle you take it you seem to have a hard time staying in one place. It seems like he's noticed is it right away?

Amanda: 50:02

So I think that the smart thing, I think I should say was probably a smart thing is probably to keep your mouth shut and noble courageous thing would have been like, Oh, you're saying exceptionally racist things to a person that are so out of line. And we all are aware of these kinds of tensions. And we should be doing everything we can to fight against them because of the climate we live in still, and you're going to let them fight to the death on the beach. Exactly. Because you're afraid. Right? So I just I think that's very indicative of some some themes we're going to hear later.

Theresa: 50:36

I mean, I don't have a title for this segment yet. So if anybody has any ideas, feel free, but essentially, every episode, I'm going to rank all of the characters and say why, I mean, obviously, we don't have to go into like huge detail and you can disagree with me if you want. But obviously, the number one character of the pilot is Jack, there is no there's no, actually I will not argue that. That is what it is. And then I'm gonna say Saeed I think that he is like, just a cool guy. Super helpful. You know, Sawyer was obviously in the wrong, whatever, but overall, like unthreatening helpful, how can you say no, then it's Hurley? Sweet, sweet, really very sweet. Like how can you say no, Claire is caps out number four. She's very sweet. Not helpful, because she's super pregnant. But like, just there's like, hope when you see her. Yeah, cuz she's, she's pregnant. She's okay. There's like hope there. So you can't Bennett's boon. Yeah, and it's there. It's the Blitz the effort. Also, he's gorgeous.

Kip: 51:40

I was just gonna say, I mean, talk about a wasted opportunity. They're on an island on a beach, take Boone's shirt off. With no shirt on is so lacking. And it's really upsetting to me, especially 2004 still in the closet, me where I was like, I need to see this guy with

Amanda: 51:59

the shirt on. And I needed to be here naturally. So I don't think you know, I have to go looking for it. I mean, that's funny, because Ian Somerhalder goes on from this to be on the Vampire Diaries and becomes very, very, very famous amongst particularly young women and men who are, you know, those eyes if we can't convince you to watch it for any other reason than to see young Ian Somerhalder. But yeah, he's beautiful.

Theresa: 52:24

So that's the top five for the first one for the pilot. Now this is I think, where it gets a little dicey. And we can talk about it if you want. But number six is Sawyer.

Amanda: 52:35

Well, it depends on your ranking. And your your reasoning.

Theresa: 52:38

Okay, so the thing about Sawyer is there is something about him, like we discussed that you gravitate to, I think that we see a lot of people in the situation where they're like, I want to help, I want to be useless, Shannon. But then there's there is that person who is going to be angry. And I think that that's a normal response, but also, like, he saves them from the bear. And yeah, he's really angry. And he's kind of a dick. But would you be so common in this situation? Really? No. So I, my gut is to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Amanda: 53:09

He's also just a very well rounded character in the sense that like, he's very true again to himself,

Theresa: 53:14

right? So I can't really I can't fault someone for being themselves if he goes around killing people. Like, obviously, you go down in the ranking, and the racism was unacceptable. That was unacceptable. I agree. I agree.

Amanda: 53:25

So in character for him again, yeah, it is in character. And

Theresa: 53:29

I don't think that you're thinking all that rationally. In a situation where you were in a horrific plane crash, there's dead bodies everywhere, and then a polar bear. And you know what I mean? Like, there's just so many questions. So like, I'm not going to excuse the racism. But if you take that out a little bit, you know, I can't help but give him the benefit of the doubt on like his anger issues and being an asshole. Next is Charlie, the drug thing. Not so great. People have addiction. Exactly. There's something about him again, that you're just kind of drawn to. And he is, like you said, like what we would be saying watching this. So he takes no seven minutes, Walt. I don't feel good about that. But it is, but it is well,

Kip: 54:18

I mean, he's a cute kid.

Amanda: 54:20

actually holding it together quite well. Like he's holding it together rather than shouting and he's a grown ass woman.

Theresa: 54:27

Then it's Michael. He's just trying to find his kid. Because the problem is, is now these care from Charlie. Charlie's kind of the last one that you see a lot of everybody else is very like, either minimal or horrendous. I hate them. So the Walt Michael SunJin they all kind of mishmash in the middle. Michael would be one up above gin, obviously, because gin was just not that nice, but then that scene with him and Claire is so

Amanda: 54:54

well, that was actually surprising to me. I thought gin was going to be I'm only getting food For me, and when you went around trying to share it, I was, I was pleasantly surprised at that.

Theresa: 55:05

When he was so insistent that you try it and then Claire's like, okay, and then there's that sweet moment between them. And it's like, okay, this guy isn't all bad. Yeah. As much as they make it seem. Yeah. And then it's son or no son, and then Jen. And then Kate and Mrs. What I love about the show hate hate so much. Because your feelings toward any character can change on a dime. Hence the segment. Yeah, that's right. So Kate actually was rated higher in the first half, and then drops to the second are dropped lower. After you find out that she's the prisoner and all this other stuff. I'm trying to take out the fact that I know everything about her after and just try. I'm just trying to take the episode as it is. And right now, it seems like she's a liar. She's sketchy. And she's, for some reason needing to be, you know what I mean? So at that point, like I can't in good conscience where you hire because something is weird with you. There's something about you that I no longer trust because at this point, I trust you. And now I find out that you are the person that was in the handcuffs. So now I feel betrayed. So you have dropped in the rankings young lady

Amanda: 56:10

with a with K just really quickly before I move on from her is that you also think in the beginning that her her desire to help is altruistic? Yes. And so when you find out that she's the prisoner, and she hasn't said anything about it, and she isn't, it's very clear that it's not altruistic. Like asking about if he's going to be okay. It's not altruistic, going out to find the transceiver is not altruistic. It's like, I gotta get out of here. Before that guy wakes up again, and I'm taken aback. You see

Theresa: 56:35

what I mean? Like you trust her, and then you don't in a matter of two episodes. That's the show for you. Now the last two, block and Shannon, which one takes the bottom? Lock?

Amanda: 56:48

Oh, no. Challenge should always be at the bottom of the list.

Theresa: 56:52

I mean, I'm gonna track Shannon's whole the crying thing. I read the screaming thing, like, so annoying. The uselessness. I know what the thing is. She doesn't act outside of who she is. She is a spoiled brat.

Amanda: 57:05

And she does help them if it wasn't for her they wouldn't been able to translate the message is true

Theresa: 57:09

but how reluctant she was I would have been the same though that when

Amanda: 57:13

I was like that was Tracy she like I don't know because

Theresa: 57:16

because when you when you know another language and it's not your first language and someone does translate this for me there's like a fear doesn't matter how confident you are. There's like a hazard like gonna get this wrong. Yeah, right and you don't want to especially in that situation like if it was mad I'll be like No, no, I can't like so in that case, I have to put her above lock because I wouldn't do I wouldn't be any different lock just had the creepy vibes there's the scar that again right say The Lion King. We all know the scars the bad guy, the orange peel thing, the rain thing just all over? I don't trust him. I don't like him. What are you saying as a secret to a little boy on an island

Amanda: 57:54

is concerned you want to know a secret I have to take you to the

Theresa: 57:57

kids. I just at this point like I there's something about him that like gives me the heebie jeebies. So that is the ranking for Episode One. And to

Amanda: 58:06

let us know if you agree or disagree with traces and very, very detailed ranking of the character. I will do it every episode and we'll see how that goes. So

Kip: 58:15

as we've all known each other for a very long time. 15 plus years or so, we've come to know kind of what our personalities are like, you're gonna get to know us fairly well. And we're gonna get to hear that Teresa is more of the quiet one, as she'll boldly admit herself. So she's decided to take on a segment of her own called Teresa's stream of consciousness. And it's literally her thoughts as she's watching the episode. And for someone who's so quiet, she has some pretty entertaining thoughts. Theresa,

Theresa: 58:44

when the episode starts the thought starts with your good, bro. Where are your running? Wait, who shows this? Wait, how come more people aren't broken? Why isn't his chute his suit more shredded? Um, also, I think you're too pregnant. Also, is that what happens when a bird or a goose flies into a turbine? How are there not more plane accidents? But also Jack? Why are you so mean? Also Boone copped out Wait, wait, you want to cry her? Also? You need a knife, not just a pen? You can't just stab a pen into someone's neck. Also, how did no one else hear this? When is this real life? Is everyone okay? Like you good? Boom. But those eyes are pretty. So do we just start going through people's stuff? Is there etiquette after a plane crash? Oh, okay. I see. But he shouldn't be more broken. No, but how is Kate so clean? Also, what is this tattoo? So when he said have you ever used a needle you thought sewing machine? Do people travel with sewing kits? Oh, hello, Sawyer. Yes. Also, where did you get the lighter? Do I know how to fly even? Are you allowed to carry a lighter on a plane? I feel like I've lived seven days already and I don't know what's going on. Where people should have broken bones. No Why aren't more people bleeding? Also, how is she so slow at sewing him up that it was midday? And now it is sunset? His wound wasn't that big? Also, why is she so clean? She's so clean. Also, she tried to run but your shirtlessness got to her. So you know, fate. Where did you get nail polish? I don't understand who travels with nail polish. Also, why is Shannon so clean? Also, why is your glass poppin and you're doing your nails? I don't understand how crashes work. But is this kid okay? Oh, Kate's fine with shrapnel in someone's belly and a bloody head, but not okay with a cut on a hot bod. I see how it goes. Also who made this plane? Also, how did Kate not barf or have a heart attack or shit herself when all of this was happening? And she was awake? I mean, the back end broke off and the front and you're just Okay, y'all. You do not know where you are. Do not go wandering. Excuse me. I mean, I'm so awkward. I'd probably just sit in the corner. Also, what is a Vincent? Also? How do we put all the plain fires out? Do they just go out by themselves? There's no rain here. Also that CGI dough. Also you're all looking very flawless look at your skin. But hold on. How did the vodka not break when he hit the ground if it was in his pocket? are tiny bottles made of glass or plastic? And why don't I remember since when is there that much room and economy? I'm never flying again. And you're damn right. It's going to be over Jack also imagined being told in the second before the airplane lurches and suddenly humans are hitting the ceiling. Someone says it'll be over soon. This man is clearly the devil or Death himself. But also what does that sound? Is? Is the smoke still in there? Are we navigators now? Oh, this is dark. I don't like but Kate needs shoes. Oh, now this man has a scar. No, no, no, no, sir. Also, Michael dinosaurs are natural, though extinct. So way to jump to conclusions. Also what part of a plane is a fuselage? I would just say plane parts. Also dear Jack, you want Boone to give back his license but he's the one to watch over the wounded. All right, then convenience for all also was the smoke well over the hills. And that's how you know where to go. You all everybody seems like a stupid song. Y'all didn't bring water or snacks. You just went off into the woods by yourself. Smart. Also this guy lock is creepy. Also, Charlie. Rain rain happens. It's not Night Rain is allowed to happen. It gets dark calm down. Are you all right lock, you're gonna catch a cold if you keep sitting like that must be nice to have such a great sense of direction where you can see smoke from far away and walk directly toward it. See the difference between a transceiver and a black box? I don't think any of this is okay. I think I just sit on the beach. You know what? No, I'm not okay. There's cords and wiring. Why does it look like someone just went in with shears and started straight cutting all of the wires in the plane? They're just straight cuts. Also, it looks like the pilot. To the pilot looks like what I imagined everyone else should look like messed up. Why is everyone fine? And he looks broken. Also, something feels off and you decided to go to Fiji? Wouldn't you just head straight back? Is that not how it works? Do you get to decide where to land if you're if you lose communication. Also, I also forgot about Charlie, because it's all about Jack and Kate. But that's just gruesome. Also, is this what business and first class look like? Where are the pods and the lay flat seats? Why is everyone sitting upright? Why is there three seats in business class? Side by side? Doesn't seem right. Also, would you press your body to a stranger for a hot sec and then hide? I mean, I guess if it was Jack, maybe I would do it. Also I would not look I would have my eyes shut. Oh my god. What? What just happened? Also, I forgot how stressful the pilot is. Where's everyone running to the Jack just get a new shirt. All right, Kate, you run you leave you leave the man you pressed up against the bed just left behind. And then yell, but there's a monster seems like we don't know what we're trying to figure out here. Also Kate fuck off. But also you got separated from them. So don't yell at Charlie. There's no concept of time on this island. Not at all. Do not do not look up. Why. Why did you look up? Also check? Why are you so? So calm? Also, that is a strong tree. There's a body in it and it's not falling. It was raining now we are dry while we still haven't eaten any food. How long has it been? Charlie? Are you okay? Also I feel like not enough folks on this flight were using in flight entertainment. Also how old is this plane that there are no TVs on the flight? Also, when did lay flat happen? I don't understand. Where are the pods? Also, how did you get drugs on the plane? Do they not have drug dogs at the airport? Also, when did he take his fingers? Where did he get the tape? Did he always have tape? I feel like he didn't also how did he Do not break his back. I'm confused. Was he at the front? I thought the front came off. Oh, I guess he got tossed around. I don't know. Also, Shannon, this isn't a holiday, you selfish cow. Honestly, these two should be on an episode of siblings are dating. It's very confusing. Also, why didn't Shannon's earrings rip right out? I feel like I have no marketable skills in a in an emergency. Why would you get up if you don't speak English son? Also, did we know that consent is a dog? Is the dog wearing a collar? That the dog gets scratched? So dog okay. Oh, now we have cuffs. Are they kinky cuffs or are they? I was bad cuffs and not in a sexy way. Why are we all fighting? Why does everyone dry after a storm? Also Jack seems to have more tattoos and site has great hair. You know, I really have no marketable skills in emergency. Also. No thanks, Kate. Wait, does Kate know Korean you know? Okay. New outfit for Kate. Okay, and Jack is still dirty. And now Kate is sketchy. Also, what makes a jungle a jungle? Or a rainforest or rain forest? What are we calling this? Also? Why not? No science. Gin is also confusing. only worry about us, but have some sea urchin everyone. That seems very confusing, but also really sweet. Let's hold on to these comments. So these were comic books look like? I don't think I've ever read one Do people just carries around? Is it not all on tablets? Is it too early for tablets? Michael? That's not okay. If someone loses a dog you don't just give them a new one. Minus 100 Wasn't it Charlie in first class? Wait, boom. Whoa. But also yes. You call her out? She's acting like it's a vacation. Net. But also this is a bad idea. Shannon sucks. Ah, Sawyer. But wait, what day is it now? Hasn't been a day. Two days. I really don't have any skills. That's what this show is teaching me. Is this supposed to be an introspection of how we're not at all prepared for life? He s Boone Michael is also useless. There's a lot of useless people here. Did we not create Vincent when we put him on the plane? A big dog? I don't think he's allowed to be in the actual cabin. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Creepy. Why is no one itchy after being in wet clothes and sand? Is it a coincidence also that the dark side that Locke is holding is on his scar side? Also, is Robertson safe for pregnant women? Did we not think about this because they can't eat raw fish. Also, I think we forgot that the monster is Oh, no. Maybe not a monster. But also you're a bad shot. That's a lot of bullets. For one. Me you need to shoot a bear. One All right. Hope Jack got a new shirt. Hurley you got to pinch and shout to check if someone's awake. You can't just talk to them. They're unconscious. Also, Charlie plus five for saying what we've been thinking about Shannon, and oh man, those dimples. But come on. So your don't be a dick. But the dimples though, and I see a love triangle in the making. But also Yeah, was a Sawyer. But Kate, your sketch bag? I called it. Also, I don't think we're talking enough about hate hates how Kate's experiences traumatic. Put your put your mask on Cape. Oh, this is traumatic. This is traumatic. Oh, Jack, the guys awake. The guy is awake. But now I feel like one bar means help. And I feel it too. I feel the hope too. Oh, wait, I took French I can translate this 17294532. I don't know what this means 30 seconds. And the whole by hat is fleeting. Hold on saying I don't believe you. Let me try to do that math. If each iteration is roughly 30 seconds, is 30x equal to 17294533. I don't think this is algebra. And I think I want to cry. This episode is now done. But hold on. Let me try this math. How would you do this in your head? Because it's not algebra. So you take 30 seconds and you multiply it by the amount of iterations to get 4483599 seconds, you take that seconds times one minute per 60 seconds times one hour per 60 minutes times one day per 24 hours equals 519 days. That's not right. So we try again, actually 17294533 to play by three instead of 30, which would be easier math, you got 51883599 seconds. And again, you cross out the one minute for every for every minute, there's 60 seconds for every hour, there's 60 minutes for every day, there's 24 hours and I feel like I need a calculator but it wouldn't get you to 600 and a half days, so 1.6 years, which seems off but I did times three instead of 30. So you multiply by 10 to get to 16.4 or five years now, how do I get the days of 0.45 years time spent in 65 days per year, times 24 hours per day, what days, or five times six, five equals 165 days. So for if we're going side versus Teresa, he said 16 years, and I say 16 years and five months, if we're assuming that one month is 30 days, suicide is right. But it took him two to three iterations, which means 60 to 90 seconds. So all I have learned from this process is that he is a math genius. And I have no science skills. No emergency skill set, no math skills. Goodbye.

Amanda: 1:10:40

That's insane. Maths.

Kip: 1:10:41

I don't know what to say.

Amanda: 1:10:43

It just does add to my concern that sigh you doing that math was not normal. I would have just assumed that message was playing for like the last day.

Theresa: 1:10:53

No, I honestly, after you did that. I was like, I wonder if that's right. What was

Kip: 1:10:57

I think you've just proven that you actually have math skills.

Theresa: 1:11:01

I had to use a calculator, though. So you have I don't have side scope. You're good.

Kip: 1:11:05

You're good. I wanted to just ask you guys what you thought about some of the larger sort of thematic questions of the show, like leadership is a big one. good versus bad. Let's be focused on leadership, because the first the pilots are very Jack centric. And he sort of comes out as like the de facto leader, He's the doctor, he's fixing people up, he sort of leads the charge to go to the pilot find the transceiver, you know, he breaks up the fight between Sawyer and Saeed, what do you guys think? What moment in those two episodes did you think really sort of showed Jack become leave? When does he begin to emerge as the quote unquote, leader?

Amanda: 1:11:46

Well, I think it's two parts kind of, from my perspective, that make him the natural choice for leader is, of course, the fact that he runs out and he takes charge and in a certain way, but I think when you have a situation, like what they're going through, I think him being a doctor is what puts him in that leadership role. That being said, it's not what keeps him in it, right? Like, I think coming out and has seen a bunch of people injured, and starting to do the work on that, when that's what people want, makes them feel good and comfortable and safe. And so coming out and taking control of their immediate need, which is that many of them are injured, it makes everyone feel at ease. That being said, it's not just that, because Boone was trying to do that as well, not successfully. But he was trying to do that as well. So I definitely think that he has a kind of personality that just leads himself to taking on that leadership role. And I do think it's kind of when he when they're on that first kind of night. And he's a kind of belief playing is controversial. But I think just taking the time to me, where I see him as a leader is when he's the one taking the time to explain what they need to get done. And, you know, I think his role as a doctor helps but I think it's just his kind of like, he is very charismatic, and you just trust Him. Right? And you see that he was like that even before because rose trusts him on the plane. So I do think that's just something about him that that people trust. And you need that in a leader and that's why Sawyer can't be the leader. And why say you can't be the leader and why Kate Kate can't be the leader, at least now who knows what's going to happen in the future. But right now you need someone you can trust and he to me seems the most noble and the person pulling that body out of the way telling people to run out of the way like all these things right from the beginning, like putting himself in harm's way to save them makes people feel at ease I think

Kip: 1:13:31

so as you say rate, it becomes pretty clear to you right? As he runs out of that jungle and runs right into the wreckage and starts taking charge. How will you Theresa I

Theresa: 1:13:40

essentially agree with everything you said that's that I think that when it comes to leadership, you it's not really something that you can teach ever. I think that you can teach someone to like manage things but you can teach the leadership skill and he naturally has it and I think that he just does a good job of like you said charging right in there right from the get go and then even when it comes to his own injury, like he went did that privately. And I know for some leaders like you handle your own shit by yourself. And then he needed help because obviously how you're going to stitch up yourself up or whatever, but he was going to try you know and he wouldn't have burdened anyone else with that if he could avoid it kind of thing. But yeah, I essentially echo everything out there

Kip: 1:14:25

I think for your response that moment of him taking that sort of trauma of his own injury and removing so people that wouldn't necessarily see him suffering was a pivotal moment for you to see him as as a leader

Theresa: 1:14:39

Yeah cuz he just just went off into the jungle Yeah, I'll

Amanda: 1:14:44

have him running to everything and then you have when he was running to it there are people doing stuff but you have Sawyer just sitting there locked is sitting there Kate's clearly off in the jungle somewhere like you have all these people who are handling their own shit first and that's fine. But he's, you know, that whole thing like leaders run towards the problem and everyone else runs while everyone else is running away from it. To me, that's exactly what Jack is right. I just wanted to point out just for those listening that this pilot was obviously very important in the sense that it was expensive and well shot and well received, but it also won specifically for Emmys. So one, the pilot in particular won an Emmy for Outstanding single camera editing, outstanding music composition, outstanding special visual effects and outstanding directing. So the show will go on to have won many Emmys, including more for this season. But where we can, I'm going to try to point out some of the so the pilot was not only expensive and critically acclaimed, it was also garnered a lot of views, and also won many awards. So, fun segment we've decided we're going to try to do every episode is as you know, from our introductions, we've all rewatched we're all rewatching we've all watched it before, so it's gonna be fun to get a new take on it from someone who's watching it for the first time. So clips has been dad who is rewatching it or is watching it with Kip while he re watches it is watching him for the first time. So we've asked him to come and give a one minute uninterrupted opinion on what he felt watching the first episode and if anything stuck out to him, or there's anything that was of note. So go ahead, Dan.

Daniel: 1:16:25

It was definitely a Jurassic Park meets airplane crash. Intro I'd felt that it was really laying the scenes for a some sort of like extraterrestrial or paranormal involvement. There were some really weird animals the polar bear coming off the plane made me think that maybe the polar bear was being transported at first, but then once all the other issues were coming about and then kind of finishing off. Knowing that there's been a recording playing for a lot of years thinking that this is maybe some sort of Bermuda triangle where people get trapped and can never really escape. I'm interested like a whole mixture of there is I felt there was some holes maybe in the story with like it being a plane crash and how they weren't rationing things right away or not quite as believable as it could have been when it came to the actual crash site or what would actually have happened.

Amanda: 1:17:28

So okay, so were there any characters that stuck out to you?

Daniel: 1:17:33

The character who had the orange peel in his mouth? Yes. And I still don't really know the characters names yet. So the guy with the orange his mouth and I just couldn't help I always always in these parallels to anyone's an office fan of creed from the office. He just has a very strong parallels to the he's kind of the same. A little bit spacey a little bit a little bit odd. lone man standing the wreckage was literally just like as if it had been placed there. There wasn't a lot of there wasn't a lot of actual wreckage, wreckage, like for it to be having fallen out of the sky that speed and what you find out from the crash of like half the plane coming apart, it was pretty intact for having collided and the rest of the island didn't really look over the rest of the beach didn't really look disturbed where it was sitting.

Amanda: 1:18:21

What do you think about the monster in the thing? What do you think that that is all about?

Daniel: 1:18:27

I thought they were going to be introducing dinosaurs at one point because of the way that the jungle was moving. And it made me immediately think of Jurassic Park, I was thinking there was going to be some sort of like prehistoric creatures, something that's been forgotten on the island or some sort of scientific experiment, something to do with, you know, like US Army Navy research, something like that, especially with the fact that there's research station been able to find out that the recording is all in French, it made me think that maybe had something to do with like World War Two, South Pacific, World War Two in Japan, those kinds of being air bases. Something connected to that, but not quite sure. I found it weird that there was no crew members survived or as survivors after the crash, especially flight attendants, or not so much pilots because pilots would have been part of the impact but legit hands Who would have known what to do during crash and would have done some of the safety procedures or known how to survive a crash and you don't actually really see any of them in the wreckage either besides the pilot in the bush, but you don't see any of the flight attendants and their uniforms. Really any of their supplies. You don't see any safety equipment that's been unfurled, no lifeboats, no emergency slides. There's a that's all all missing.

Amanda: 1:19:36

So thank you, Dan, for that. Some very important observations that you know, if you're watching for the first time, let us know if you also kind of picked up on some of the stuff Dan was talking about because some of it is going to play an important role in the next one to six seasons. That's the beauty of this show. No one knows when.

Kip: 1:19:54

Well, next episode we're going to be talking about tabula rasa. Yeah, so three so join us then until then

Theresa: 1:20:16

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