We're three best friends and we love Lost. We love talking, but even more so we love talking about Lost. So join us for some laughs a conversation and let's get Lost together. Hi everybody, welcome to Let's Get Lost. It's me, Kip and I'm here with Theresa and Amanda and this week we're going to be talking about Walkabout episode four. Theresa is gonna give us a synopsis. Alright, so Episode Four Walkabout written by David fury and directed by Jack Bender. A series of flashbacks reveals a secret that Locke has kept hidden from the other passengers. Meanwhile, the bodies inside the plane need to be disposed of. But how Jack decides the most effective way of doing so. But it's grisly. When the castaways realize that the food supply is running out, Locke has a suggestion. Amazing. And so just a few facts about this week's episode. thanks Theresa. wasn't mean just, it was just a very like, like harsh because I'm gonna finish what you're doing I just want to I don't know I'm not usually the one that comes and we're moving on. on and it says stuff after I've used it says that this is all over the place. Okay, Amanda is gonna give us some factoids. Amazing first we we shouldn't say that we have a fourth person with us today. I figured you guys should just leave me to introduce myself because that's what good hosts do. Right. Okay, well, Kip just didn't mention you at all. So I thought we would save that. I totally forgot. Yeah, there's this weird laugh in the background of some of this stuff. So So 18 million people watched this episode. It has a 9.1 out of 10 rating on IMDb. This episode covers days four to five on the island. Sawyer had a very dismal nickname count in this episode coming up with only one that being Metro. and who was that directed towards? Did you not know? no It's Boone Boone it was Jack. No, it was Boone It was Jack it was Boone. No because Jack had the scarf on didn't he? No, it was Boone because Boone comes in to break up the fight right away between him and Hurley and he says stay out of this Metro and then Jack comes running in I'm 99% sure I have no idea and in case anyone was wondering who that ominous fourth voices it's Rory. Well, I think we can give him a better intro than that. No, that's pretty good. No, we'll have to. okay you guys so far this is not going well. I think it's going great. I think there's gonna be a lot of editing. There's life. There is life. so okay comment below. If you think that Metro is directed at Boone or Jack but Kip is really giving me I'm really feeling Kip's response Rory can't really back his up at all. The other thing is not only is Sawyer now giving people nicknames. It's leaked over to the other cast members So Shannon calls Boone Captain America Hurley called Sawyer, Jethro Jethro's good one, that's a good one. The runtime of this episode is 42 minutes and 42 seconds. And because we're talking about this last week, Kip did his homework after and if you recall from last week, we were talking about whether anyone famous came up with a audition for any of the roles and Kip was able to find that Yun Jun Kim, who plays Sun had originally auditioned for the role of Kate. And so that is very important to know. Yeah, so before we get into the episode, and we get into some trivia from our dear friend Kipper, we do we'll give you a better intro for this for this week. We do have a special guest His name is Rory. Rory is our friend and he is another person who was very into watching Lost in back in the day and I think we've mentioned before that he's actually the one who got Theresa and I into watching it but Kip got him into watching it so that's kind of a full circle kind of moment and Rory and that is why you should respect to what I say. The wiki says that it was Jack who was called Metro so I'm just gonna throw that up there. Okay, well I will pull up the clip I'm doing that right now. Imagine all of this is getting edited out No. Very serious. We don't edit this podcast It's live. Rory would be our Locke expert would you say or more fanatic? fanatic? fanatic? Yeah, I feel like it's more on brand with. He's just really great character. I mean, there's no flaws or fanatic it is. I don't know, we've actually discovered a very deep flaw in Locke. He clearly does not have tastebuds because not only to hear that creepy orange smile, but afterwards he ingests the peel into his mouth and starts to chomp and on the orange rind. The rind. No one eats the rind. my goodness. Who does that sociopaths. Yeah, he has a box full of knives. But he checked them. So yes, Rory is our resident Locke expert. We will actually add to our social media page. Such a Locke expert. That one Halloween he dressed up as Locke for a party that Kip Rory and I threw where he dressed up as Locke and I mean, I don't know I'm hesitant to show it I dressed up as because it was also Lost related, but it's more of a season six surprise, I will have to have to blank myself out. But you can see that Rory dressed up as actually the infamous Locke we're talking about the orange peel and everything. Yeah, walkabout lock is your hero. Yeah. Well, all Lockes are. All right. Theresa is found out whether he's right. Put your before we do it. Their money in the comments who you believe are you Team Rory, who thinks it was Jack that Sawyer called metro or are you Team Kip who thinks it was Boone that he called Metro? Well, I mean Amanda, what's your you're the only one who could vote? I've seen it. So I know what? I have no idea. You have to pick one. I don't know. I feel like Kip was very... Yeah Kip's very on everything. Don't I know he's got very strong personalities. I don't need to be very because I'm right. You looked at a Wikipedia page though. Anyone could edit it. You probably edit it before you showed it. Yeah, I was. Right. I have to side with my co host and Locke non-defender. Before I pick Rory, where do you fall on Kate? I don't mind Kate. Okay, Kip, you are the winner in my mind. She's not the best character but she's not the worst. Who is it? Let's see. I'm not gonna put the sound on because I copyright I think right? Yeah, sure. Okay, so Hurley and Sawyer are fighting? Jack says knock it off. He calls him Porkpie, there. It is Boone. That was Boone first. no way. I mean, the scarf does seem very metro but but he's the one who comes in. That was Boone. Okay, I think we have to put the sound on it's less than 15 seconds. We're good. Let's redo this whole thing because I think we need the sound on really No it's Boone. You can see Boone says knock it off knock it off. Stay out of this Metro. All right. You know why you were wrong? Because you like Locke and Kate. And so you'll never be right. Karma also hold on, doesn't he call him pork pie? Looks like that was well Kip missed pork pie as one of Sawyer's nicknames. Oh, okay. I was trying to listen. I listened so carefully this morning, and I couldn't make out what he was saying. And I couldn't load the subtitles. Which is awful. By the way. Metro is not great, either. Sawyer is kind of a dick. All right. Wow. Okay, Rory tack went up to please adjust the wiki page. Yeah, that you clearly changed. I don't have that sort of power. You must know. That's hard to believe. But I actually don't Wow, yeah, we're gonna have to submit it to as let's get lost hosts. We should have editing power. For the six people, including four of us who listen to this podcast. We're going to get into the official trivia for today's episode. All right. So Rory, as you're new to the podcast, what we'd like to do is I will read trivia, and if you think you have the question or the answer, I mean, you have to make a Lost related sound effect to as your buzzer per se. Don't have to tell us what it is but you just got to do it have something that you can do in your mind? Think I can do it Okay, question number one. What was the episode originally going to be called? I hit cricket, cricket. Lord of the files. That's awful Oh no. I like that because he's like this like dorky manager guy. I prefer walkabout whatever he is, he's less than a manager. He's a loser. Lord of the loser. This is what this right a very covert operation during his lunch break. How dare you. Yeah,that game actually I did make a note on how disgusting his apartment look cause didn't even went over all the dirty food containers. get it together he can't walk. It's hard to clean up. Don't blame spoiler alert. Alright, assuming if they're watching us, they've seen the episode right question number two. Which sub character turns up in a future season episode? I should say which character from the flashback turns up in a future season episode. duh duh duh duh Yeah, Helen. That's not the answer. I have. I don't know if that's right or wrong. But what is let me think let me think My name is Henry Gale. That's a good one. And that is such a little that's good for those who I like it. Okay. Do you know the answer though? No, I don't think I know the answer. Randy. Randy. Oh, Locke's shitty boss. Oh, sorry. Let me let me buzz in with my Oh, yeah. WALT. I'd like to submit Randy. Yeah, what is shitty brahmsian comes back later in season two. As a someone else's opposite of boss employee. Oh, someone who's on their island. Little little teaser for you. It gets complicated guys. It gets complicated. A lot of connections all connected. So it's just a couple other trivia pieces about this episode. The crash scene was actually completely rebuilt. And refilmed for the flashbacks On this episode, because it was six months or so after they filmed the pilots. Oh, and they had to react to all those like screams and Oh, god. Wow, geez. Dedication. Yeah. And the boars so second trivia point here, the boars. They tried to get live boars. And that was the plan to have live boars in but they were actually just too cute. And no one was scared of them. So they have to make them CGI boards because they weren't scary. Yeah, they were like, our friends. Those sounds they make I don't know if those are real boar sounds. I don't think so. Like even watching it the first time when like, you know, it's an animal like at that way. You know, it's not like the monster or whatever. Because like what is that? Like? It was like a weird wasn't good. No. Want to hit the eyes for the first time? You sure? Like huh, and then it makes the noise like oh, okay, I get it. Yeah. Well, no, even just like they're moving around in the plane. Like, it seems you mean the fuselage? The fuselage? Yeah. That's the trivia. Very interesting, very interesting. All right. So let's get into Okay, so, yes, the lock centric episode and Roy's here, because we are concerned that on these particular episodes, the three of us won't give lock the dues that he hasn't maybe earned, most learned? Well, I'll just say the first few episodes so so the first three episodes that we've seen, I don't think he's really earned anything yet, because he's really hasn't been in it other than those really creepy moments. And he's creepy. Like, Oh, quite candidly, like Rory, honestly, for a second here. Remove yourself from what you know. Like future put yourself back in the shoes of having just watched this episode for the first time. Having only known of Locke what you've seen in the first step says, You cannot convince me that you loved him as much as you do. Now, then, and the time I thought he was going to be quite the antagonist like they were sort of like leaning into that right that he was going to be this like, manipulative antagonist on the island that used his sort of like squeaky I'm an old, comfortable man image to sort of lure people into doing things they probably shouldn't be doing. Like, you mean, like with Walt and the game and whittled like the dog whistle? Yeah, like he was. He was a survival expert, kind of like more so than most of the people on the island. But we didn't really know that other than he could little a whistle, and you know how to play an ancient game? Yeah, really. The only interactions we knew about him? Well, first three episodes. Building there were sort of I felt like they were building him up to be an antagonist, which are usually the most interesting characters on any show. And to be fair to Rory, I remember a lot of people loving Glock right from the get go. I think it's the bald and the scar. Well, I do think they do a good job. And this is something I do think is really impressive that the writers and directors and everyone producers, everyone does is they really do subvert expectation very quickly, like he is built up to kind of be menacing in the first three episodes and then right away by the end of this, you're like, Okay, he's really capable, in some ways, but he's, he's a loser. Right? Like, and he's like, not what you expect him to be. Absolutely. And that was the whole point of his flashbacks was to show this person who was complete opposite of This cool survivalist hunter guy who's on the island now, in his flashback right before we went to Australia, he was this loser who no one respected him. He thought his phone sex caller was his girlfriend in reality, like, I mean, you can't deny that Rory, but he was a loser. That's how they were portraying him. I think they were portraying him as a broken person. And it reflected the fact that his legs were unusable, right? Like, it was a man like a mere mirror image of the fact that he was just a broken man in general. So his life was broken, then you didn't have the confidence to do all those things that made him so amazing on the island. Yeah, but we also didn't really know how broken he was, we were just seeing this guy who was Boston respect him, didn't have a girlfriend, his apartment was a disgusting mess. I think that Kip is just realize he's one of his biggest fatal flaws. Like, I mean, it was gross. I paused it. What I do think is interesting is like, because you say you don't think he had the confidence, I think he did have the confidence. It's just that he didn't have the ability. And now and part of it was like, He's clearly held back and you see this like going forward and lock storyline. He's held back a lot by like the people around him and his circumstances. And so I think what's interesting about his character is that on the island, you know, now that we see at the end of the episode that he can walk when he should not be able to is he kind of gets like this clean slate of like, you know, no one knows that I can't do these things. So I'll just do them. Right, which I think is interesting. Totally. Because they even make a point of saying they don't know who's a wheelchair it was or who's ever was is better off than us. So they assume that they're dead. And yeah, I mean, that's kind of like anything to last week. It's more alive than he's ever been. Well, it's funny because like they talk about in Kate's episode, like it's called, like tabula rasa, and this whole idea of a clean slate, but really like Locke is probably the one who gets the cleanest slate out of anyone. Followed maybe by eventually, Jen and son, but yeah, it's very, like Kate doesn't use her clean slate very well. No, neither to Sawyer right. So I are more so in the end, but Kate is just so fucking useless. Is this how the podcast goes? Generally? This is typically just like drifts towards Amanda bashing 10 minutes. No. It's not Kate hate. But I just mean, like, when you look at someone who, you know, she, she kind of she's wants to do what locks doing right? Like she does. Like she wants to kind of get away from her past. But she does a terrible job of it. Where lock has completely reinvented himself within four days of being on this island. Yeah, I think with Kate, that's just the way she is, though. Like, I don't know, they talk a lot about Kate's personality. And I think in season two, when they're like, I don't want to spoil anything. But yes, listeners, we did swear that Kate makes a decision to I mean, as disappointed as everyone else listening. But it is what it is, we just have to all live with it. I mean, it's just a lot of the story revolves around like, taking who you are, and trying to either better yourself or just being dragged into that quagmire of your past experiences in your past self. And just some people get away from it. Some people don't. Well, and that's a big theme, right? Because you can almost draw a line down the middle of the cast, and the characters of who is able to and who isn't. And we will obviously get into any of that. But it's interesting. If you haven't watched it yet, keep that in mind while you're watching it exactly. What Roy said was, Are people able to take that clean slate and run with it and reinvent the issues that they have? Or are you essentially always going to be like subjected? We're in the flashbacks, right? Like, who grows from it and who, you know, reinforces it. And it's very interesting, I think to see where some people come down on that. So let's before we go into all the lock talk, let's just maybe discussion, let's maybe go over some of the sub plots that happened during this episode, some of the non lock flashback related things so we have Kate helping Saeed with the food, oh, the food and that's what starts off the the whole the whole metro argument was that that scene comes from Hurley and Sawyer fighting over food because Sawyer thinks that Hurley is eating at all usually, and they're essentially out of food at this point or change. Never. Like so there. It's day four, we've the sermon and they're out of food or out of food. So yeah, it's a big problem and obviously tensions are gonna flare up. When you find out you have nothing left to eat. except for ergens Jen catches. And it kind of is a funny moment where you see it's leading up from Boone and Shannon arguing about Shannon being able to take care of herself and she clearly can't. Or can she by basically manipulating other people in this case, Charlie to catch a fish for her who then uses Hurley to catch a fish for him to give to Shannon which is super funny because I think Boone's whole point without maybe completely saying it was all you have going for you is your looks and your ability to manipulate people and Ha ha You can't do that here. You can't flirt with the host of the club to get priority access and you can't you know, flirt with the guy to buy you like clothes and things like like that kind of stuff, I think is what she he's hinting at. Right? And she can't do which is why it's hilarious that she's like, bullshit. I can't like I can do that anywhere. Right like Shannon uses what she knows how to use to get what she wants. I don't know. It's only for Kate though. Nothing good can be set up for please, Shannon's always kind of true to who she is. Right. And why Kara is being untrue. Be true to who Kate is. Okay. No, Kate episode. I wish there never were. But the point is that, like I was almost impressed, because I don't like Shannon either. I don't think anyone's really meant to like Shannon, but I kind of respected her a little bit in that moment. So I'm like, You know what? She's doing what she knows how to do. And it's kind of hilarious. And it was kind of funny to see her kind of like, not give a shit who Charlie was because he immediately goes yeah, I was waiting for you to ask. Yes, I was in driveshaft and she's like, I don't fucking care about that. Yeah, she's 19 I don't know what it was. Yeah. So that was interesting. But yeah, that leads kind of and then the side and Kate thing. That little subplot does lead into how she gets hooked up with going on that search party. So Right. Eventually, they decide after realizing they don't have food, that's when the knives come out. And, you know, we find out that, you know, locks can hunt bores and and that leads to this like, weird little search party is a really cool scene, though. Oh, how are we gonna get food? Hello, Jack, thank you. They're really good. Besides Sawyer's face, I liked that. And he does not tell you anyway. Like, does it say Oh, really badly? No, exactly. He just leaves up. Hang in there. Yeah. Well, lock is really good for stuff like that, though. It's like he's got kind of like a less is more when it comes to chronic Yeah, yeah, I do like him. I just wish he was cooler. He's so cool. What are you talking about? And all aspects of his story. I don't dislike the character. I just think that it's um, you know, I don't think he's as cool as already thinks he is. And I never did. I think with Locke, you really need he's more than almost any other character on the show, you need to take his entire performance across the series. Because, I mean, there's a few people like he goes through a lot of highs and lows, which is really him combating his past compared to where he is now. And he has a couple moments that are like very, like he's insecure and unsure of if what he's been doing this whole time is true or not, but but also, there's the side story, and it kind of, maybe we can talk about it later, too. But the side story of Jack coming to terms with like, his leadership on the island, but then that bleeds a little bit into next week's episode to have you know, what he starts seeing at the end of this episode. So and yeah, because we do get this this other kind of said, there's actually a lot it's like a lock episode and we get a lot with lock. There's actually a lot going on in this episode, because we do get the that side storyline of like, the reason the bore are in the fuselage is because there's, you know, not to be gross or vulgar. But there's a bunch of dead bodies in there. Yeah, just a lot of corpses. Right. It was actually funny because when Theresa was reading the the introduction, she said, Jack has a grizzly idea. I'm like, wasn't really big grizzly. It sounds like Yeah, I think it's more grisly to pull the corpses out of there. Like try to bury them, like just I agree. Yeah, it wasn't, let's like practicality wise, I understand. They all have their different religious, you know, ideologies and stuff. So maybe it's not great for all of them, but for practical purposes, probably the best decision and like he says, I mean, is it more respectful to leave them to be eaten by wild animals? You know, because people are saying to Jack will sound very respectful just to burn all those bodies. What's the alternative? Yeah, yeah. No, he was right to suggest that and, and he's got an ulterior motive to put the fire to hopefully. Yes, signal beacon. I know. I love that when they're like wait till at night or whatever. And then why? You know, it's like so that someone may see it too. I hear and that's the thing is Jack is always kind of coming up with crazy ideas. Jack is always running into these fights. He's always putting himself in middle. But then as soon as he's like, kind of confronted with like, you know, we've said it before and I'll say it probably every Jack centric episode until the finale, but he has this like, reluctant hero thing is Jack's burden, right? Because he, he, he runs into the middle of these fights, and he suggests these kind of, like, outrageous in quotation marks, ideas of how to deal with things. But then as soon as it's like, Okay, well then can you lead? The service is like, Well, no, like, why should I have to lead it kind of thing, right? It's like, well, you've you've presented yourself as being the person that they've come to rely on for these things. So you can't really be that surprised when then this like adorable pregnant ladies like, Well, can you lead the you know, and yeah, I completely agree. But I also think there's something about as a leader, you should be able to delegate. So he, he, he needs to find a better way to say it, of course, because he can't just be rude declare, being like, No, I'm not interested in doing that. Like, yeah, why don't you do it? Yeah, go go for like kind of a dick move. But he could just say, You know what, I'm not comfortable with that. I think that's great. If you want to do that, and I can help. But like, you're right. And the way he does it is not not a very like, leader ish way. And it's the same with when boons like you need to go talk to row riser. I don't know if we know her name at that point or not. But when he's like, You need to go talk to her. She hasn't eaten. She's just sitting there, this and that. And he's like, Well, why do I have to go there? Again, and you can tell like, he's like, it's his, like, default, like, I'm not it's not my responsibility to everything, but then wounds like, well, you saved your life, like and so Boone kind of comes back with this. Like, it's not because we think you're the leader, dude. It's because like, you save bloody life, like, and he's like, okay, you know, so like, Jack, you were sitting next to her on the plane. Like, wouldn't you also feel like a little bit of a connection be like, You know what, in this plane crash, we were sitting next to each other, and we kind of had this little banter back and forth. Yeah. But no, apparently didn't care. I just can't wait to see you say that Jack is a hero after watching Stranger in a Strange Land. That's going to be great. In my mind, that episode doesn't happen. I have mixed feelings on Jack to like, I love him. But I also think that he has obviously problems. Clearly, they all have issues that they're going to be working through. But I at least think that, you know, Jack, I think he resolves a lot more of his issues than that they all have issues, right for the grand scheme of things like, Well, yeah, not to get too much into spoilers, but the perfect person isn't going to be on the island like, well, and also, like, you can't have a show of perfect people. Like just from purely entertaining perspective, you have to go back and forth a little bit with your characters so that there's actually conflict, isn't there? Okay, flawed human. The human thing was nice touch. Thank you. And so yeah, they get this so Claire's work, Claire, and some others are working on this, like Memorial. Yeah. And she's so adorable in this episode. Like, I don't know how anyone could not like Claire, like, she's good. She's obviously not going to be probably anyone's like top favorite character. But Claire and Hurley are the kind of characters that like, you can't tell me you don't have some affection for these guys. They're so sweet. And so she's doing this. And she's doing such a cute little job of trying to get all this stuff together. Yeah, it was really cute. Even Sawyer buys into it by bringing like the passports I think or something that he had taken that he had taken it and he's like, here, I thought you might want these. Yeah, like he was so everybody's into it. But I kind of have a feeling Claire's gonna rank pretty high on Teresa's ranking this week. Yeah. And then while that's happening, we have this little hunting party that develops with Michael or Kate and lock. So for as much as eights Theresa is on par with her hatred for Michael appear. I didn't realize it until watching the show. And I'd like to think that maybe it's just like, you know, triggered by my like, own issues with my father. But like, Michael, like, for God's sake, he just lost his mother. He barely knows you. And your idea is to play the hero, the incapable hero, by the way, you zero skills, and you're gonna wander into the woods with a guy who has much knives and a girl who climbs fantastic it wasn't very responsible. No, firstly, I can't stand like he wants Walt to respect him. Is this the way to do it? Like no, he doesn't know what else does a little boy respect though. Yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe if he actually talked to him. I'm sorry. There's no way at least Mr. Locke talks to me well, but it's true though. And like even Sun talks to Michael more and like or not Michael Walt more. Right and they don't even speak the same language Whoa that was the wrong one actually. Why is Why is Michael asking Son though, like my person, yeah. You and he's like signing at her and it's just kind of like, well, you know why didn't ask the pregnant lady? Yeah, she's gonna need some practice. Why don't Why don't you ask anybody else? To kind of brush his teeth with aloe? I think that was this episode. Yeah, that being said, it's just it's so funny to me because like Mike was clearly like, well, I know she has boobs, so I saw her breasts so she'd be great at watching my children Oh, lost love triangles. like what? Oh my god, there's so many never change never change. I just I cannot stop like you're right. And Amanda's hate for Kate is the same as my hate for Michael Well, if it makes you feel better, at least Evangaline Lily has like somewhat established herself after this is like having some sort of range even though I also hate her. But the guy that plays Michael Harold Harold Perrineau paranoid, I think, is a complete and utter dick in every character. He Oh, I don't know. I only know him out of this. And I think it's because like, you just can't like he was on the rookie and I told Rory from episode one. There's just a rookie podcast are we talking about Nathan Fillion? That guy and raising no he's not he's just his buddy and he's just looking for his son in the rookie to type gas. He only is able to scream names well and he's in a new show with Abrams and que se que se think and Linda la for just probably the bad gang. And they probably feel bad that they have like ruined his career. Give me another roll. Yeah, no, I mean, there's there's You're right. There's lots going on in the episode. And I remember reading where it was reading before this, that it was sort of a according to reviewers and and like critics after the, after it aired that it was sort of the pivotal last episode that it showed that it could stand on all these multiple, multiple facets, like there's so many characters that are doing things there's also the lock moment or whatever, where this was like the episode that they knew this concept would work with like a twist ending that wasn't actually explained, and people would enjoy it. I think it's the first very overt like, part where you realize that there is something more going on here like you do get that with the monster again, we called Monster here worry. Because we don't want to, you know, ruin anything. But the monster is clearly like more than just like a bear or something. Right? And we have the polar bear. Like there's been these kind of hints of like, there's clearly something more going on here. But I think when we find out that someone who couldn't walk can hear there's for sure something very mythical. Like going on here. Right. So onto the island. There was beautiful. Well, and that's because in this episode, he's has an encounter with the Monster at the End ish kind of time. And they were they his direction was listen to the audio commentary. The direction was, it's very tall. And it's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen because we can't see the monster but that's what Terry O'Quinn was told to react how to. Yeah, and they didn't show him anything. Right. Like, just reacting to not to nothing. Imagine there was a camera on a pole. Yeah. Like, there wasn't like when he was presented with any beautiful camera. I was like I see myself. Oh, yeah. So I mean, it's very clear. Yeah. And the fact that Michael gets hurt and this and that, and then lock. Yeah, is, you know, and they say like, he's he's dead. Like he got sir went up to him. And you know, we're kind of jumping around. But that that part is very telling, right, like, Let's go around the table, your top moment from the episode not lock centric. Manifest. I actually think it's when Claire is doing the little memorial at the end. And she talks about how the one couple was organ donors, like and she's just like, I just thought that scene is so sweet to me. Like, she knows nothing about them. And that's very clear, but she's just like, I'm gonna find something. There are organ donors and like to her, that means they're good people, right? And this is this moment, like, oh, they were organ donors. And like reading about the people who were planning a wedding like I just thought that that whole scene is just so beautiful to me. Like she doesn't have to do that. Know what I like the one person who found his like receipt from Blockbuster and it was I think, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory who you own like dudes on or whatever. That was sweet. I like to just this idea that she's like trying to find anything and just like pin to make it just more meaningful than just like saying these people die exactly burning them so that more boars aren't attracted to Kill Us All right, like Yeah, I just think to me like Claire will always be like very high in my like rank She's never going to have the like effect on me that like other characters will, but I always have affection for her. I just she's just so freakin adorable. Mine is when Jack and Rose are talking to each other. And she's like, I can't remember what she says. But she's saying that like her husband's alive and Jack's like, they're all dead. And he's like, that's what they're probably thinking about us. It was just like a mic drop moment that, like gave me chills everywhere. So it's like, that part is so impactful, that parts vary. And that's my favorite part too, though. Really? Yeah. It really? Yeah. Anytime rose talks pretty much. All right. Yeah, I can see that. But it's so it's so true. And like it just again, it just like Jack is so like, he has such tunnel vision about what's happening on this island. And he's very practical. And that makes sense, right. And that's another major theme throughout the show is that Jack is a practical man of science who believes in what he can see and feel and touch and experience and nothing beyond nothing else. Whereas he's finding out that he's surrounded by people who have hope and faith and dream. Yes. And think differently for him, ya know, so funny too, because he says, Rose, they he was in the rear of the plane, it broke off in midair. There's no way that they could have survived. And I'm thinking Jack, you're ordering them. We're also like, you'd landed tires. We're just making this emergency. Like you woke up in the middle of the woods. And walked onto a scene of fire and burning and screaming, don't be ridiculous rose. But that's, but that's such that's one of the key scenes of showing like, that's all Jack is capable of. He's such a capable person. But he cannot. He'll never be able to take them beyond that. And that is something that for those who haven't, it's not really a spoiler, because it's clearly happening now. But that is very difficult for Jack to reconcile. And for the people around him to because, yeah, you're on day four, and you find whatever this not, but like, maybe we'll still get saved. And the longer they're there, the more you know, and right now it is important to keep them alive and tend to their wounds and get them fed and find them shelter. But when it's gonna come down to it, they're gonna need more than that. The next episode is White Rabbit, right? Yeah, yeah. So in that scene between lock and Jack and that episode, I don't want to get ahead of myself. It's probably one of my favorite in the entire season. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah. So it's your, your moment is Rose and Jack rose. Just sort of like he will have to deal with a lot of that from luck in the future. Like sort of that like, you're not like a man of faith, you need to sort of like open your eyes and be willing to, like accept things, but I think it sort of starts here with Rose and she's like, a lot softer, a lot easier to sort of deal with like, she's not forcing it on him. She's just like, hey, sometimes things aren't what they seem. You just need to have faith that everything will be fine. Very true. Whereas like other characters, yeah, just like beat Jack over the head. Yeah, but rose doesn't beat anyone over the head of things. She's just like, oh, you can believe what you want. I'm just sitting here you came up to me, right? So it's, you know, what about you? What's your favorite? Mine would be Charlie and Hurley fishing. Funny like I love them as the comedic duo. Their friendship is just like there's some there's some very anyone who's kept up with any I mean like there's some spoilers that are not really spoilers because the show's been on off the air for 10 years and but there's some like very epic things. I think that even if you haven't watched the show, you know and there's certain relationships that are very key. But the friendship between Hurley and Charlie is a is a good one and it's very sweet and I think laugh out moments moments. So Oh, good. Now should we get into the Locke talk? Yes, Locke talk, locked up locked up two K 22? So we've kind of already touched a little bit upon what's probably the most important one which is that kind of opening knife to worry on a scale of one to 10 How much is that seen turn you on? Turn me on. Oh, it's pretty hot. Yeah, yeah figured as much Yeah, I had to change my underwear after for sure. Like it's like a nice first like you see him being all creepy leading up to it. And then you find he has a box of knives I always really creepy and then the flashback start you're like, oh, okay, so who is this person? What changed? And sort of like leads up to that and the thing that's so great about walkabout is that you really need to watch it twice. To really like oh, they were hinting at it the whole time. Yeah, not walking. Yeah. Exactly. Yes, absolutely. I know exactly you're talking about because when we were watching this most recent time, and you don't like cuz I kind of I felt almost like bamboozled the first time I watched it being like, Oh, wow. And like there's lots of examples of that in media right where they today's but you don't really end with him kind of. And I was talking to a truce about this when we were watching it. So we rewatched this particular episode together. And I think what's the best about it is they the whole episode, they keep alluding to, you can't do this, you can't do this. And I personally took that to be kind of like, ageist I get that they're kind of like, well, you, you're just like this old man at a desk all day. That's why you can't do it. But in reality, and I'm like, Wow, these guys are kind of out there when you think about and you're like, well, it's not that crazy that they're telling a man in a wheelchair. Don't get me wrong. I don't think you should tell anyone. I think lots of people are capable of lots of things. But I can see why some people might be a little bit more skeptical about what he's trying to endeavor to do. Still very rude to say he can't. But particularly it's it becomes obvious when he uses that example of the man climbing Mount Everest Right. Which by the way, isn't true. Oh, Norman croucher did not climb Mount Everest. He was a w double amputee, but he didn't climb Mount Everest. Why would they say that? Yeah, he did something else. Not mountaineering, maybe something impressive. Something pretty impressive. Lile swim the english channel probably right. You know what, I don't remember what it was. should find out. But like, that was kind of a weird thing to make up. Yeah, but But it's interesting, because like, again, these are little hints that you're just kinda like, Oh, he's using an example of someone incredible doing something. Right? It doesn't but when you like these little kind of like levels of it, like you said, when you watch again, you're like, Oh, of course, he used that as well. I think it's rarely like, especially when you see the scene with him in his filthy apartment. Talking to Helen, like, just the way he's sitting with his like legs like no, I don't I don't know. 20 people who actually just sit like that comfortably in their bed like, yeah, you know, like you lounge on the couch, but he doesn't really have that option, kind of so I think it's pretty obvious there. Okay, so pretty impressive. While he did not climb Mount Everest Mark. Mark Norman croucher did a 900 mile walk to Land's End. Not sure where that is. But he also climbed the Matterhorn in Switzerland and several peaks in the Himalayas. Well, perhaps the matter trademarked and you had to switch. ABC couldn't get the rights to Matterhorn maybe and they had to get the right to Everest good for them Everest. The actual double amputee who climbed Mount Everest was a New Zealander named Mark Inglis shout out marks so why would we give was it after the show aired? Maybe? I don't know. It didn't say the day but I mean, let's give credit where credit's due Mark Inglis climbed Mount Everest. Other guys coming up marking this podcast now. Yeah, normally timed in the matter. And John Locke accomplished very little. Wow, that's not true. He got a bore for people. Also, it's not about what you do. Sometimes it's about who you help. But also he can walk fine now. So accomplished anything he like spectacular. He's overcoming, like, a decade of self doubts and like, his legs aren't just gonna snap back. All right, like it's not just like, Oh, I didn't walk for 10 years. Oh, look at me. I can jog. Was it 10 years? Oh, no, it was well, before I did find that scene where he again, we're kind of jumping around, but that's true. Yeah. But so anyway, we should probably stick to kind of following through but so, you know, he tells everyone like, you know, I'm we're gonna go to a bar or whatever. And he's very, he's very commanding, right? Like you. That's the thing about Locke is like, he hasn't settled on much so that you, you listen, when he starts because you're like, Okay, well, he has something to say now. And he's kind of kept to himself. And he's got all these knives and he's very capable with a whistle. And that is impressive, though, to widdle the whistle I find that more impressive than the bore thing anyone could handle more. Clearly, Michael. Have you seen videos of bores attacking people at gas stations know why gas? Just like pouring gas is bored. Just ran over? This guy is a piglet. It's a baby. Right? Which by the way is horrifying and makes me so sad. Why, baby if it didn't want to be hunted, it shouldn't be made of things that merit are delicious. So we bought all of our vegan list. But I mean, like it is impressive. Like I bet it's such an it's that that like, you know that what's the word? I'm looking for? That contrast between leaving on that note, and it's and then that first scene well, and it's interesting that the first flashback we get of him, it's still sort of like a switcheroo. Kind of thing where he's talking all militaries like speak, is it who is it that says, Is it Charlie? That's like, Who is this guy or this guy, and then you get this like, scene where he seems like it's like CIA or military operative like g 11. I think was it? Yeah, like, delta is ago or whatever he says. And then, and then I read the TPS. And then basically, it's very interesting fact about that scene, though, that I'm sure everyone knows is that when he's using the calculator? It does make the monster noise. Yeah, right. So yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah. We have that noise. No. No, but it's like an adding machine. It's like that. Yeah. Because the like ticket table or whatever it comes out. No, it's really cool. And it's just like that attention to detail. Exactly. So for his flashbacks, we get the first one in the office where he's working. You see, he's just like this paper pusher. And I think that's where the original title of Lord of the files came about, because he was just this like kind of office worker, generic office worker. I love that title. And I really want to know if there was like some sort of issue with it because it's better than walkabout. I prefer walkabout personally. Tell us in the comments below if you prefer walkabout walkabout or Lord of the Flies like that the minute that someone like kind of disagrees with you, you tell us in the comments rally in public I want public support as outcry when an outcry of public support for my opinion please man that needs that confirmation. Validation. Validation John Locke doesn't need validation. I disagree. He needs it from Helen not anymore to me that's actually the most depressing way he's treated at work like I'm like okay like you know, there's shitty boxers always office bullies got a friend that plays with him and you know, but I'd seen in the veteran again we're kind of pop so what is there another scene before that? That we should I think that's it's just the think that's the one on the cube and then the one in the lunchroom where Randy's deck we kind of talked about that with and then it's the where he's talking to me that's the saddest part. Like to me that's just like, I get your, you can't walk in, you're in a wheelchair, but you could throw away a lot of those empty food containers. Come on, he approached us at all at once, man, give him a break. We'll get to it. No, but it is very serious for messiness. If you just put it in like a garbage bag, and then complain about the garbage bag laying around, but I'm sure there might be a garbage bag by the door or something get my concern wasn't so much the cleanliness of the apartment as much as the fact that he you know, clearly and don't get me wrong. I am not sex shaming anyone or like whatever like absolutely call in to whomever like please do right. Like he clearly has utilizes those phone services that Evangelii Lily was always advertising live links. Yeah, there it is. But we're gonna post that commercial. But what bothers me is this like, clearly he's made up like a persona for her. Yeah, he's a bit delusional. And there are in the reality of there really, and like you just it is what it is, like, great call those women Exactly. Want to do, but like, that part was like, when? Yeah, like when he's almost in disbelief that she thinks of him as a customer. Yeah. And it's like, Oh, ouch. Like, I would have been very concerned. If my like as like, sex work or sex work adjacent. Like it's, it's disturbing when a client or someone you have that relationship. It's like, I bought us tickets to Australia. It's like, you know, no, dude, you don't buy tickets for her to Australia. That's creepy. Yeah. Like that's unsafe. That crosses like a weird line. Big, big line cross. Yeah, exactly. And interesting note, though, about the machine that he's using while he's on that bed. Apparently, it's some sort of medical machine that helps stimulate muscles. Okay. And they put that in there because they weren't still 100% sure how he was going to be able to walk again, that hasn't hadn't been decided. So this was sort of they could kind of go back to this and be like, Was it a coincidence? Or was it the island? Right. But it's the latter. Is it is it might be both maybe it's an interesting thing, because I think anyone who has any sort of understanding of the show so I think anyone who would be listening to this other than like, our family will have some understanding that the show does have a like a mystical or sci fi component to it. So it's kind of interesting to think about that because you have to wonder like, had, you know, because you talk well, you Don't talk to you. I've never talked to Carl's including Houston, Damon Lindelof, I call him many times. Yeah, Teresa, you've talked to them, right? Not only this, but I am a huge leftovers fan. So call me up buddies. I'm willing to talk about this and some of your more recent watchmen like I mean, what I'm saying like there's been quality work done by these gentlemen, in some way or another for the last 20 years, but I was not fangirling by any means. But like, Well, we actually felt that the character of Kate was probably the loss of Kate's actually modeled off my mother destroyed that connection for us. Sorry about that. But no, I think it's very interesting, because you have to wonder like, these two gentlemen have talked about how they kind of had a vision for the show, almost from day one. But had they with that information that keeps telling us had they completely committed to that level of sci fi? And was it because they weren't sure they wanted to go that way? Are they getting some pushback from the network? Yeah, I kind of feel like there probably was a bit of pushback on the network, and there was maybe some notes to rein them in a bit on the Sci Fi aspect. They're like, this is primetime. You guys. You got to rein it in a bit. Not be so wacky, but you prevailed in the end. I love the wackiness of the show. Oh, that's an interesting little bit of information for a reason. Yeah, so and then the last. Well, the last flashback with walk ties into essentially the boar hunt. Where the bar knocks them down. Lock is winded, he calls cane Helen awkward. And stares at his feet. Yes. Another little foreshadow no hint, hint, I guess more like a hint because he does at the beginning of the wiggles this little toes. Yeah. So So then he gets knocked down and then we go into his final flashback of him in the travel office trying to do his walkabout. walkabout and walk them out. Don't tell you what I can do. That was sad. That was sad. But also oh god so sad. For the record, I can't hear any of the side effects are gonna really be sad even here. That's your favorite. It's like your what's the one thing? Okay, well, what do you think the sound effect would have been? is the one thing that Locke says or that you love. A little clip from that. It's a little soundbite from Locke, what do you think it would be? Like? All? Yeah, it's a lock lock. It's a lock. This is the one I just sent you. Yes. You sent him a soundbite? Well, he just I just asked him we'll cut this up. But I just texted him like, Hey, what are some things Locke says a lot. Oh, yeah. Because I was trying to get sound bites for the board. And then here's the other one. This was another race suggestion. It's never been easy. It's never been easy. So there's two so what are they? Well, ones probably it's never been easy. Yeah, that's definitely one because that's very iconic line. I love that. Yeah. I don't ever be so angry. Very angry. That's very intense, intense. I don't know if angry. That clip makes it sound angry. I love that that and that's really this. Talk about this when we get into our special spoilers of Patreon only second. But that scene that that last quote comes from is so good. Oh, that's definitely what like one of the quintessential like, Jack lock, but like, to me that is like, the see like not even just for the show, but that's like that's how we should all feel right. Like that, to me is like just permeates like beyond the show. So what's the other one than the one? Well, you can't Don't tell me what I can't do. Obviously. I gotta say like that final scene with the score and the music was just so impactful. And when he like when you when you finally realize that the reveal the reveal, and then all kind of looking back at how he Yeah, can you see all of those moments in a different light? Oh, exactly. Yes. Beautifully putting the dirty apartment. Yeah. Well, you don't see that one. And it is it is beautiful. And the fact that he is capable. He does they think he's dead. Right? Like Kate says, like well did the monster was going towards him like he's gone. And everyone thinks he's dead. And he comes back with that bore. little presumptuous of Kate. I agree, considering the monster was literally overtop of her. And she's alive. That's what I mean. It's a lot of tape has a lot of assumptions. But also like, did you know like it was headed for it? Did you? Do you know that if the monster changed? She was like, no one could have survived. It's like, okay, all right. Except for you. Exactly. I think you're being a little harsh towards I think you need to know I think what you're meant is we're not being harsh enough. So yeah, you're not saying she's literal human garbage. Kate, the monster doesn't even want to kill you. You're the monster. You're not even worthy of being killed by the monster gate. Anyway, no, but that is He's like, he comes back. He's got the bar he's it's a great scene and then yeah, we get the and it is beautiful like, but wait, what leads Jack? And Kate I guess to find lock and the bushes a man. Yeah. In a suit the white rabbit in a black suit anyway it's edits stop trying to get one in though. I'm back in figuring this out there was just too much fun I think you're gonna find that locks character is locks characters more about the entire series as opposed to just one episode. It's very hard. Like when you're seeing some characters, like you're talking about like Claire, right? Like, I could see his face right now. She's the cute pregnant girl, right? Yeah, you know, and, you know, in Shoreditch, the stupid redneck racist or whatever. But there's, Locke isn't really like that he's more than what he portrays himself to be in one episode or even in one season. And I think there's a lot more to his story. And it's just, it's hard to speak about him spoiler free. Without being like, sort of, you know, having your legs broken in the conversation, I would agree that he's more nuanced, for sure. And I know what Rory means when he says it's hard to talk about him in a in a fulsome way, without ruining a lot because there is a lot to him and his character, um, and there's some characters who, like, don't develop in that way. And you can kind of I wouldn't say they're one note, because all of the characters are actually pretty well written, very developed, well acted, like in polo, right. But I do think that it is hard to discuss lock in kind of a vacuum of this episode. But it's a great introduction to a character that is going to become very important to the overall development, mysticism. Everything Yeah, and I mean, I think that's why it's remembered as one of the great episodes of the whole series, because it was that intro to Locke, who becomes a very integral character and a very, like complicated character as well. Well, then there's something called the walkabout effect where like, yeah, people watching the show, once they watch walk about like, Okay, now I'm hooked on the show hooked Exactly, yeah, exactly. Um, yeah, I agree with you guys. But I will say in terms of like, a blank slate, like, for me, this episode isn't like getting like a blank slate, it's him getting to finally be the person that he wants to be. As opposed to him starting over. I think that all of his experiences and him I mean, one thing that I always wondered is like, when did you learn how to throw knives? Like, when did that happen? Was it before you were, you know, in a wheelchair was after like, I don't know. But it's clear that at this from this point on, he's the man that he is, or he's becoming the man that he wants to be in always thought he was able to he that he could be but like couldn't because people were telling them when they couldn't get a shitty job. And so for me, it's not a blank slate. It's a just coming. Like a like, almost. affiliation. Yeah. thinks he is entering into his own. Yeah. I also just have one final thing. For the fourth time in a row, they reiterate. They were 1000 miles off course. What would less diagrams? No, at least no. dramas, there was no rocks or flaming sticks. Just in case here. Case, you didn't know that there was a plane and an ocean. And then there are 1000 miles off course, and they're looking for them in the wrong spot. Yeah. Thank you, Jack for that other explanation. Well, we're going to go into a couple of our fan favorite segments. And Theresa is going to lead us off with which one you're going to do first, Teresa. I don't know which one would you like first, let's do rankings. And then we'll hear your thoughts as you watched. Okay, so I'm sure in a surprise to literally no one coming in in 14th place is Michael with minus 100 or 750 points. Then we have Shannon with minus 700 points. Kate minus 315 Locke minus 266. Jin and Walt are tied for is ninth place with minus 30 Sawyer. As the last person in the negatives with minus five and a Boone with plus 35 Jack plus 47 plus 55 Hurley plus 85. And then rounding out our top three side with 90, Charlie with 95 and Claire with 200. Oh, and Kip had called that Yeah, but I will say there is an honorary first place for the very first time in this series, which goes to rose for giving us finally like the other side of it. And for like, I said that when she says they're probably thinking the same thing about us like 100% She was yeah, she wasn't any ranking at all and then no, because she's she's, she's not really been like she's not seen. Yeah. But because of that one scene she takes an honorary first place and I know we don't usually asked him any follow up questions because the the mystery of the rankings is really where they hold her power. I just have to ask one one follow up as well. Why is sun so high sun is Hi, let me get the aloe trick. That is a big one honestly, that and just being willing to take on like, I'm sorry if someone saw me naked and then tried to talk to me and then tried to pass off they're sending me I would not be so essentially you're saying the fact that she didn't just slap him exactly told me I was like, you know good for you for you know, like helping a dude out that you don't know. And watching their kid she clearly thinks he's very awkward and Yeah, and like so I mean, I got a I mean good for you like you're all in a kind of shitty situation and then the aloe thing because I had no idea I knew burns. No, you put that stuff on burns. I wonder if that really worked? I don't know. I don't really want I don't have an aloe plant. I do but I don't want to do that. I should for the sake of the podcast. I really don't want to put that in my mouth. All right, so how about the the my favorite segment which is your stream of consciousness while watching Yeah, and I realized I think something that I should probably do in the future is maybe be a little bit more descriptive as to like what I'm reacting to because Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, that's what makes it that's why it's hilarious. Okay, well all right, so what starts with I feel like everyone on the show has really pretty eyes also. Are those your shoes sir? Wait, I'm pretty sure that's Vincent. Oh, no, it's not Vincent but Sawyer though Jack That's a very tiny torch. Why don't you use his bigger one up there we go. Jack that light is literally useless. And that's why we weren't supposed to shine the light over there. Sorry Jack. That's my bed. Sir. Lock you are so creepy. I'm also disappointed that Charlie asked that question. It's so obvious but Okay, say those arms down so when you said it's too soon to tell sign you may you meant to wait 30 seconds and then tell him Okay, Michael, I think you have a bigger problem. Okay, what the fuck lock subject you're quick to make the decision to burn the bodies. When there's a food shortage. You say well calm down. And then site has to take over. It looks like Amanda's right about you. Dear Mr. Locke, how fortuitous you found your knives but also what took you so long to impart any kind of health? Also are those knives not roughly the same size as the knife? He just threw locks got the awkward stares down a Ooh. And the zinger goes to Jack sorry your flirtatious attempts have failed yet again. Kate Michael you have a child let someone else go your moron. Also, why are you choosing the person who doesn't speak English to watch your kid? Because you saw her boobies. Ask Carly Claire literally anyone else? Well, you know what? You're kind of a jackass and you're a little rude but also Michael get overgrip session with lock that is enough. And Claire so sweet. So why are you so rude? Also, it's only what everybody wants when you don't want to do anything but otherwise your word is final. Shannon. You're actually the most garbage human in the world. Shannon you're losing points at an alarming rate. Oh Jack Amanda was right. Wait, what are this? Look at him help Amanda take that. That's a minus 10 for you instead. Rose Are you all right? Littlest What the fuck? And soon you'll be speared by a beer and you didn't seem to be spared by bar and you'll no longer have a father too. So good job Michael. All I see lock is bark. I don't know what you're looking at. I don't know how to track anything. I guess I'm just a sad panda. Oh shit called that. Oh, Michael You moron lock did you change your shoes for this trip? Oh, wow. This is such a tool. Someone just call HR What the fuck? Good job using Michael shirt instead of yours. That's the first aid way also, I love that. Don't tell me what I can't do in the flashback versus the present and the intensity that's there. But okay, how cute are Hurley and Charlie? Your ship name shall be Hurley or Charlie. Come on guys. Also one curly haired person to another How's Hurley's hair not matted at this point. What products do you have to use to keep it like that on an island with saltwater? Same with same but also Claire's, so sweet and we're still just sitting here. Okay, anyone else wonder where the leg guy went? The dude who they pulled out of wherever whatever was bleeding. Did he die? Oh wait, this is awkward luck. Oh shit. I have no words. Well, man, that's it. That's some good climbing skills. Good job. Plus 10 Also, I don't care for this monster POV also like why are you smiling? Also so you're does have a heart plus five if someone asked me in another language what is that? What I show them that if I didn't know what they were saying also since when is aloe toothpaste also Since when can I try? Also Shut up Michael you Dick You're no hero. You're loud ass mouth cause this whole situation even son talks to a lot more than you. And there's a goddamn language barrier. Oh, these idiots. Next on siblings. We're dating. We're going in Shannon. Awkward floating by Shannon. Oh Jack in that forum. Chills by Rose. They're probably thinking the same thing about us. This is the problem with some humans narrow minded tunnel vision. That's the Mic drop. Oh, God, I forgot about that. Nope, no, thanks. Wait, what you do and say keep fuck off. Also fuck off. All you do all you have to do is put it there Kate and you have the gall to crack a joke after you broke it and say try again. Get the fuck out. After four days of doing a stranger I sewed up after a horrific plane crash our relationship has escalated to face touching somehow. How intimate Are we still hashtag just rents Kate did you see how this happens? Are you sure? There's a lot of assumptions here. Oh, here we go again. Also, that's a lot of blood locker you'll pick but how sweet is she? Oh, and Charlie? Is that not raging hot next to that fuselage? Jack? Are you okay? Oh, fuck off Michael again. A lot. I prefer the scar but also what the fuck no muscle weakness from being in a wheelchair for years. Okay, so the first time in a long time a smell doesn't look crazy. Also, how did he learn all this tracking stuff. Also, there's something so hauntingly beautiful about the wheelchair helping build the fire and then saying goodbye to the journey there. It also not being burned by itself. It's still a part of everything. Awesome. I don't know if I articulated that. Right. But how well does this mean that he's going to start to gain points instead of lose them from now on the end? I again I know we don't usually comment on that. But it did remind me of a very important first of all, it was hilarious. Second of all, you're right, we did I don't think we've fully concentrated on how it was really impressive. That didn't Don't tell me what you can't do. mirrored in a flashback and and the fact that, you know, that was a great point. And also Yeah, fuck you, Kate. And that stupid. Like, you can just do it again. And again. I hated that. That's all Yeah, you had one job and was obviously so bad that even as the Kate hate resident, I even had blocked that out. All right, and we've come to that time as a show where we bring in Dan Kipps husband to tell us about his first impressions having been you know, not having watched it ever before today. So Dan, what did you think of Episode Four walkabout? First thing that I said to cab was I'm getting really tired of the flashbacks because it feels like every single episode is a flashback. And I understand that they're trying to create a backstory to every character but it just feels like it's one of those eternal flashbacks. Like is this all the show is going to be is flashbacks you don't let you do like a lock centric mess of it. Oh, no. I'd like to actually he's probably my favorite character so far. But and his backstory is very interesting. I would say his is probably the most interesting of them all. But I just don't know how strong of a show it is. If it's just relying on flashbacks to tell a story. What did you think know that just visit logs on on island personality versus but but I felt they were very similar. I felt that I felt that in a way they're telling they're telling the story of maybe why he might be more distant or why he might be a bit more misunderstood than the rest of the castaways and what did you think have looking at what happened in the woods? How can you hate him Michael obviously come back dead. Which monster which I think is one of the stupidest things that I've seen so far in the show because they just assume that he's dead but meanwhile it's very clear that he has knives obviously knows how to use knives and we don't see the monster which is another thing that I don't like is that they're really building up these monsters or these creatures a little too much. It's a little much but I do I got frustrated when Kate said that like just matter of factly that he's dead because then I knew right away that he's for sure alive because if they say that there's going to be a big moment where he emerges from the bush which is exactly what happens when he comes out with the kill. And then it's just made me kind of frustrated because lock and really Jack and Sade are the only ones attempting to do anything on this island which is a little frustrating and I guess Kate's going along with it because she's helping but she's not really advancing the rescue efforts or the now do you think that's because he doesn't want to get rescued or do you got such a very good point because we know that she's running from the law supposedly she very well could be kind of feeling this is like a fresh start even They've crashed on a plane. It's very traumatic, fresh start, but it's still a fresh start. What do you think of Jack's leadership episode compared? I feel like the producers, it was very stereotypical, because the first couple of episodes, he jumps into action as directing everyone to their places and what they need to do and how they need to be organized. And then this is the episode where they start to scratch in a little bit of that backstory. And of course, he's troubled with an upbringing and his father, like they're having a lot of his homage to the Father. And He lays the hint of his dad's of doctor and had to follow in the footsteps. And so it just, it came across trying too hard to advance that storyline very quickly, like in one episode, I also feel like when you're trapped on an island II, like daddy issues would probably be one of these things on your mind, especially if people are like out of food, because that finally they addressed that earlier in the earlier in the episode when they finally say that they're out of the food from the plane, which I'm shocked, it lasted that long, because planes don't carry that much food. Okay, what did you think of the memorial park that was a little subplot or these little subplots that are pop, I thought the memorial was good, because whether someone is religious or not, there needs to be closure to a very traumatic situation. And it's just kind of the castaways way of addressing it and being able to acknowledge that this event did happen, people did die. And unfortunately, they have to move on, whether it's in ways that they maybe don't want to, you know, they have to, they might have wanted to bury the bodies or whatever. But I thought that was a good point. But that brings me back to the problem that one of my least favorite things about the episode was the wild boars at the beginning. And I understand that there had to be the tie in but again, they try and make these wild boars as if they're like monsters at the beginning in the plane. And I just thought was really cheesy when he had like the glaring eyes. And then it turns out, it's just these wild boars, I don't know. Okay, so what episode is this for? Yeah, I would have tuned out at episode three, Episode Four has started to wrote me back in a little bit. And that would be because of locks character background and wanting to find out is he actually a secret agent or someone working at the military? Or is he truly delusional, and he was talking to random people on the phone as if he was a military agent. Okay. And then what do you think next? Probably other flashbacks, there'll be Seyyed because they've already laid that backstory with you finding the pictures. To watch your files out of all the people in the office a big sticking point for us? No, I wouldn't go to the one person that doesn't speak English. And ask them to watch my kid, especially when there are other people like it's not like everyone was going on this hunt. But obviously, they had to advance the storyline of the Japanese couple in the language barrier. Well, thanks so much, Rory, for being our first official guest here on let's get lost. And for those of you who enjoyed the sanctuary, we will be bringing him back to talk more about lock in the future. And if you didn't like him, let us know when we won't bring him back to talk about lock in the future. put a poll up who wants to comment? Yeah. How's it grateful? Also, my agents that I'd be back for the finale is that Oh, yeah. So before we go, we're just going to finish off the episode The way we always do, which is ranking this. So why don't we start with our guests Rory honest, out of 10, what would you give this episode? It's definitely a 10. I think that it really solidifies the whole series going forward. I think it solidifies Locke is one of the pivotal characters. And I think that he's just a beautiful person in general, I give it a 10 as well. But it really is a pivotal episode of the series, and it encapsulates pretty much everything that we come to love about last, you know, I would give it around a nine. I do think that it it does everything that you guys have both said and I think it's a beautiful example of the storytelling that we're going to come to see and just the subtleties of everything and just the attention to detail and things like that. I just don't love some of the sub i don't really love the Kate Michael stuff I don't really like I think they tried to do a little bit too much with this episode. But I think particularly the lock stuff. And the fuselage stuff is beautifully written and roses beautifully written. And I think it's just a good example of what we're going to see going forward. I give it a 10 I actually don't have as big a problem with the, with a lot going on. Because ultimately like because you have so many characters on an ensemble, there is going to be a lot going on. And I think that it's hard to have an entire episode completely focused on someone without addressing what else is happening, especially with the way that the show works, everything that everybody is doing and the interactions that they're having has an impact down the road on the other characters and the other subplots so I yeah, I'm proud that and I think that roses line is the best and yeah, I think it sets the show up really well for the for what we're going to see next. The point for Amanda As Kate was in a very special never get it, it's because of that weird. She's like, try again and a man was like minus 1000 Thanks everybody thanks for tuning into another episode of Let's get lost. Be sure to tune in next week wherever you listen to your podcasts. And please follow us on Instagram and Twitter at let's get lost dot pod. links to our website and Patreon can be found in those profiles. Join our patreon for only $3 a month for exclusive access and content like spoiler Island. 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