Amanda: 0:11

We're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking, but even more so we love talking about lost. So join us for some laughs and good conversation and let's get lost together. Hello everybody. And welcome to this week's episode of let's get lost. How's everyone doing this week? We are, as you know, if you've been paying attention. Uh, here to talk about episode number seven of season one, the moth. So let's just get right into it with, uh, this week's write up on what this episode is about.

Theresa: 0:51

So the moth episode seven season one was written by Jennifer Johnson and Paul Dini and directed by Jack Bender. Charlie goes through a personal crisis while Jack is trapped by a cave-in, the Castaway struggled to free Jack while Kate and Sayid attempt to triangulate the French broadcast. But their exploration is thwarted by a mysterious attack.

Kip: 1:10

Oh,

Theresa: 1:11

dun dun dun.

Kip: 1:12

All right. So, and I love giving some little stats on the episode before we talk about it. Just sets the tone for how everyone else saw the episode before we say how we saw the episode. So viewership, does anybody wanna guess if we went up or down?

Amanda: 1:25

I think up.

Kip: 1:27

Theresa

Theresa: 1:27

I'm gonna say down

Kip: 1:30

up

Theresa: 1:30

dangit

Amanda: 1:31

nice.

Kip: 1:31

Over 2 million, more people back up to the 18 mill mark. Oh,

Amanda: 1:35

okay. So sun and gin bringing it home last week, you know? Yeah.

Kip: 1:39

They made us want more. Okay. And the IMDB rating, 8.4 out of 10 also actually technically higher than really, um, house of the rising sign house of the rising sign, I think is 8.1. Yeah. Which I was surprised, but we'll get into that we're day eight on the island. And I could actually only hear one nickname from Sawyer this week.

Amanda: 1:57

That's cuz Sawyer was in his emo phase. This episode,

Kip: 2:01

he definitely was in an emo phase.

Amanda: 2:02

He was a Dick this episode.

Kip: 2:04

But uh, I don't think I need to say the nickname. Do I?

Amanda: 2:07

I don't even remember what it was. Was

Theresa: 2:09

it when he called Charlie AMI? No. I mean, I don't think that's really a nickname. No, I didn't count that. I didn't

Amanda: 2:15

was it, was it racist? It was towards who Saed. Oh, okay. Let's not say it, but we all know it was there and it's just more of him being a Dick. Exactly.

Kip: 2:23

Yeah. So, Alrighty. There we have it. So initial thought. No, I have trivia for you guys. Oh, okay. I have some trivia. I don't remember my sound. All of a sudden. Okay. That's okay. You can just make another one up. Okay. All right. So the moth, what is Dominic Monahan? Charlie actually sniffing up his nose when doing the drug scenes. It is not the actual drug.

Theresa: 2:50

Have you seen my son?

Kip: 2:54

that's your sound effect,

Theresa: 2:55

I guess. Okay. I just, I'm just gonna guess, because it's a brownish, so I'm gonna sing like wheat flour,

Kip: 3:04

incorrect brown sugar, correct? Really? Yeah. Brown

Theresa: 3:08

sugar. It was one or the, uh,

Kip: 3:09

one or the other. Yeah. So it was brown sugar. And he said that he just got like really sugary boogers.

Theresa: 3:15

And it kind of hurts. Like once when I was a, a kid, I sniffed a pixie stick. at like a, like a field trip or whatever. And it was burning my nostrils. I was very

Kip: 3:24

painful. Imagine how many takes you would've to do? You'd think they'd find something different, but I guess that's what they use.

Amanda: 3:29

All right. I would've immediately quit the show. Had I been told that I needed to sniff brown chip to

Theresa: 3:34

grab my nose. I'd rather do that than, you know, the drugs. Well, obviously

Amanda: 3:37

they're not gonna give 'em the drugs

Theresa: 3:39

you know, but like what's an alternative to like, what else? This isn't an HBO show.

Amanda: 3:42

I bet you in like the forties. It would've been like here's some

Kip: 3:44

heroin. Yeah, exactly. Here's the real deal. We need it to be real. Okay. Second question. Which character does not appear this

Theresa: 3:52

episode done.

Kip: 3:54

Oh, okay. Amanda. You've got it. But what the hell was that sound ju um, I forgot

Theresa: 3:59

what waltz or not Wal what Michael said. And so, so you just went. Yeah. So what I couldn't remember, I was like, I need to get in first and that was what came outta my mouth. Okay. Well, Amanda

Amanda: 4:07

won our the same. Individual who we were missing. And I was surprised mm-hmm because it's a Charlie episode and Claire's important to Charlie, but

Kip: 4:14

Claire, it was Claire. Yeah. Weird. Eh, she wasn't know. Kate comes

Amanda: 4:18

running for Jack. Yeah. Claire running for Charlie. That that'd be hard. I don't

Theresa: 4:22

think she could route that easily. Also. Did we ever determine what, where she is in this all?

Kip: 4:27

No, she's just probably taken it easy as she should. Yeah. Agreed. Okay. Last and final question. Does Dominic Monahan actually sing the recording of you all? Everybody?

Theresa: 4:42

Have you seen my son?

Kip: 4:43

Yes. No, he doesn't

Theresa: 4:46

really. I thought he did.

Amanda: 4:48

He did a very good voice match. Yeah.

Kip: 4:49

It was Chris CFR lead singer of God's child and Joe 90, a couple of nineties alt rock bands.

Amanda: 4:57

So there you have it. All right. All right. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. A good actor then.

Kip: 5:04

And apparently he hummed, or he's saying that you all, everybody in the pilot, you know, you all, everybody. And then they had to write a song around that the song hadn't been written yet. So they're kind of like cursing themselves for just writing that

Amanda: 5:15

in. And like, they wrote that in, he didn't just like improvise it.

Kip: 5:19

Like they wrote. Yeah. They wrote you all, everybody. Right. Try try. Right. And he just like sang it in the pilot, but they hadn't written a song yet. So when it came time to this episode, they're like, well, now we have to write a song.

Amanda: 5:28

What was super inspired. So I kind of assumed overall that the inspiration for this whole little thing is a, is

Kip: 5:34

Oasis. Yeah, it was, that was kind of what I was modeled after. Yeah. That was gonna be a trivia question. But you got. In the not trivia world yes. In the real world. Yeah. So there we have it. Okay. So this episode, we have a Charlie episode. Yeah.

Amanda: 5:53

And it's a great episode. It really is. Charlie's adorable and going through a lot of stuff mm-hmm and it's heartbreaking quite a quite actually to, to see what so often happens, which is people get into drugs and things. And then, you know, other people that they may have been involved with with it are able to bring themselves out and they're not, and yeah, it's just a very

Theresa: 6:16

interesting episode. I

Kip: 6:17

actually, wasn't a big fan of this episode and honestly, I kind of forgot about it. Like it, it, nothing about it. Really. I was always, I was just kinda like watching it, like, oh yeah, like

Amanda: 6:31

this, I remember it very vividly because, um, of Locke taking an interest in Charlie mm-hmm because we're gonna see. Shortly that lock takes interested in another character. And I kind of thought what, what happened to his like kind of like budding respect relationship with Charlie, like his little trying to help him out, which I thought was good and nice. But so I do, I did remember lock being kind of instrumental and kind of getting Charlie to come around.

Kip: 7:00

Yeah, I, yeah. And I remember that like that moth, uh, analogy lock uses or symbolism, but I didn't really remember it was in this episode or I really didn't remember both that cave in that's the

Theresa: 7:16

only thing I remembered, actually, I didn't remember about the, I was like, what moth? Like what are we talking about? And, um, I knew that Locke helped him, but I didn't remember like the specifics around that. I only remembered the cave in part to me almost because I remember thinking like Jack safe. My,

Amanda: 7:34

you remember thinking what Kate says to him at the end? and she's like, these are the safe caves you've been going on about. Yeah.

Theresa: 7:40

Yeah. Because I mean, really?

Kip: 7:43

I don't. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll talk about the cave in later. Should we just talk about the cave in now?

Amanda: 7:48

No, we can go back to the beginning. We kind were we open with Charlie and confession clear? No, we open with him draw. They never open on a flashback.

Theresa: 8:01

My apologies. Or did no, I'm pretty sure they did when it was Jack's did open up on

Amanda: 8:05

a flashback. They sometimes open on flashback. Yeah. I'm like, how dare you? I will die on this hill. They never open with flashbacks

Theresa: 8:13

except for that time when it was Jack

Kip: 8:15

and any other time that they do. And then

Amanda: 8:17

at least 10 more times, they're gonna do that. Yeah. When he is getting beaten up by that kid. Okay, fine. Fine. Fine. They rarely open on flashback.

Kip: 8:23

Yeah. But so it was Charlie playing guitar and he's like clearly suffering.

Amanda: 8:26

Yeah. Who was surprised to hear it's been a day and a half. I was like, oh my goodness, this should be an ad for not doing drugs. If that's how terrible you feel a day and a half after.

Theresa: 8:36

Yeah, no kidding.

Kip: 8:37

Exactly. He's shivering and puking and not good. No, you looked awful really bad. And, um, lock comes up to him, wants, go for a walk, takes them out, get some fresh air and yeah, they're outside. I know. Where are they in the caves? I mean, the caves are

Theresa: 8:54

not, I don't understand fully enclosed, right? Like

Amanda: 8:57

it's well, at least one more wall of them is thanks to Jack

Theresa: 9:00

Yeah, but I mean, I mean, really thanks to Charlie, but, um, but yeah, like it, it, when lock's standing there, like you can see trees outside.

Kip: 9:10

Yeah. It's like, I, I guess maybe this cuz the kids are new. I I'm just not in my mind, familiar with the layout of them yet.

Amanda: 9:18

so yeah, he takes him out and we do get the Charlie flashback. Yeah. Which is him, uh, in confession, mm-hmm, confessing, confessing threesome to his priest. I'm not a Catholic me neither, but I think some things can stay between just you and God.

Theresa: 9:31

I don't think you need to go into that many specifics. Like I remember being in confession, I would just say like pretty generically, the things that I've done, I would never be like, well, I did this with this person and then this with another person. And then I watch them both. like, you know, you'd really, he doesn't the priest doesn't need to know

Amanda: 9:51

the details. I think we were supposed to in infer from this though, that Charlie does take it seriously. And he is struggling with the lifestyle that comes

Kip: 9:57

along with yeah. And I mean, it was sort of, uh, I, I guess we were, yeah, like led to believe that he's a strong Catholic and very religious, but I mean, yeah, I guess that's the first we're seeing of it. And, and he's in confession, like very, he's very serious, but you see him with his interaction with his brother sort of being like, get your feet off the pews and watch your language. Like you clearly yeah. Takes it seriously.

Amanda: 10:22

Yeah. And his brother clearly doesn't. Yeah, exactly. Right. And doesn't take anything seriously. No. And we see that throughout kind of the further interactions, like it's clear that Charlie cares about the music and wants to be successful. And Liam cares about the lifestyle.

Kip: 10:35

Exactly. Mm-hmm um, before we leave the priest, I, I, I found it interesting. And I wanted to ask you guys like the way Charlie says the name of the band to the priest I'm in my band, you know, um, drive shaft is already seven episodes in, he almost always mentions the band name. Do you think that comes from, like, where do you think that comes from the fact that he has to mention the band's name all the time? Is he insecure? Is he just ego? Egoistical I think so. I think it

Theresa: 11:04

comes from his insecurity for sure. I think that he has to like, almost project that so that everyone knows, like, I am important. I am someone which I think throughout the episode, um, it's clear that people, like, he feels like he's not really anything or anyone important. So I know that's all those one, I think.

Amanda: 11:24

And like he clearly wants the band to be successful. Yeah. So I think when he, you know, goes around kind of reiterating the name and putting it out that that's him like marketing himself, right? Yeah. Like this is clearly very important to him. He writes the songs he's upset when Liam takes his part in the song. Yeah. Which will see a bit later on, he was taking it seriously. Yeah. And

Kip: 11:43

Liam even says in the flashback, like you write all the music, I'm just the face. Right. So, so then they get the, the contract and Charlie says, Tim, okay, we'll sign this. We'll do it. But only if, if it gets to be too much, we walk away. And Liam naively says, yeah. Okay. We'll walk away. I agree. Clearly that's not gonna happen. No.

Amanda: 12:07

So then we're back in, in island land and SA and Kate have a new plan. First. Is this what Kate comes across Jack looking at?

Kip: 12:19

Yeah. Logging away at her mugshot. she's like, I have better pictures.

Amanda: 12:24

Yeah. I thought that was kind of funny. Yeah. I'm still not entirely, like, I, part of why I'm annoyed with her in this episode, you know, like I'm in every it's cuz of how attached these two are to each other already. Yeah. Like get over yourselves.

Theresa: 12:37

I know. Well, especially it's been eight days, like when you said that, um, obviously I do my stream of consciousness, like while I'm watching and like if I had remembered or at least known that it was eight days in, like some of my comments would be a little bit more harsh about those two, because eight days is. like, not a lot of time. And like for the first few days you didn't trust her.

Kip: 12:59

Yeah, exactly. I made a note that too there, their infatuation with each other felt fast tracked this episode. Yeah. Clear. Like, it felt like it was just like, boom. Now they're in love with each

Theresa: 13:11

other. I mean, yeah. You sewed them up like, uh, the time you made curtains. But other than that, like I,

Amanda: 13:17

well, especially because she didn't go with him and I know that that doesn't actually have anything to do with him, but if you're as in love with him, as you're clearly looking to be in this episode, you might have considered it a little bit longer. Yeah. And they wouldn't be apart right now.

Kip: 13:33

Yeah. And when, when. Kate says, are you mad at me? I, I was expecting him just to be like, I'm not mad. I'm disappointed. but no, he just, no, I'm confused.

Amanda: 13:45

So they're gonna attempt Kate and them to triangulate this single. Yeah. Mm-hmm I don't know anything about this. Is this a viable plan? Is this make any sense to anyone?

Theresa: 13:56

Yeah, I don't

Kip: 13:57

know. Apparently it's it, it, it is, but it's not called triangulation. It's called like tri antenna antenna or something. I don't know. I read about it online and it's tri you can, you can triangulate something, but it's not called that. So he was just using the wrong term. So it is possible.

Theresa: 14:16

And like, can you do it, like, what if this signal isn't from that triangle? Cause like two kilometers is not that far. I think

Amanda: 14:25

the idea though, is that there shouldn't be anything else. Yeah,

Theresa: 14:27

but you don't know, the island is massive. And if the signals coming within the, the triangle that he's making. Right. Isn't that he's

Kip: 14:35

doing. I think it's, they, it boosts into the air. If you could see me right now, I'm waving my arms.

Amanda: 14:43

yeah. All we need to give him is a leaf plane. no, I'll be just like, I'm up the eye whole

Theresa: 14:47

thing. Oh, you gotta throw a rock down to and say, yeah, this is

Kip: 14:49

Australia. And then I think it's just like boosts the signal towards his receiver. So it's not that it has to be within where they're doing it. It's just that they're far enough away from each other that it could be coming from one of those directions. It's almost like a, a booster for like a cell signal. I'm

Theresa: 15:07

not like a big tech person. So this was

Kip: 15:10

like, yeah, but then yeah. And it's HBO and, and Kate who are about to attempt this. Yes.

Theresa: 15:18

There you go. Yeah, it is, um, Boone, Kate and Sied. Yeah. And Kate and Seid wander off and Boone stays on

Kip: 15:24

the beach. Oh, right, right, right. Cause Boone's gonna do the one on the beach. Mm-hmm

Amanda: 15:28

we have, you know, Kate and Boone and Sied gonna do this like thing. and then eventually,

Kip: 15:37

so just a second, because like Sied says, there's a problem with there's two problems with his plan. One being that, um, the batteries are really low in the, in the whatever machines they have and that they need another battery, like a laptop battery or something. Right. And he can't find one anywhere which leads Kate to go ask Sawyer. Cause he assumes he has one cuz he's hoarding everything. So here's my question for you guys. After all that, Kate kind of walks up to him and they have this sort of like standoffish moment and he says at the end, all you had to do was say, please, do you really think if someone came up to him, like in this instance, Kate saying like Sawyer, like have you found a laptop battery? If you have, could we please have it for doing this thing we're doing? Do you think he would just give it to her or do you think he'd still be a bit of an ass. I think if

Amanda: 16:31

she, I think what he would need from her is more than just a please. Like, I think he would need her to like, want him. Right. And like, you, you see that a little bit jumping ahead a bit, but when they have that conversation that they eventually have, because we're gonna see her, him head out to join them. Mm-hmm and him asking about the doctor and things like that. Like you see that he does want her approval. So I think if he thought he could get her approval by doing something like that, then maybe, but I think he is in a place in his life where he, he doesn't think he can get people's approval at all. So he's just selfish and he's like, I'm not giving you anything. I, I need to keep, I need to hoard. I need to be a Dick. Like, I don't wanna like CLE be a cliche and say like, he's protecting himself. But like, he kind of is in a way he was, which we'll see later on, like, he's been hurt too. Like all these characters have immensely difficult backgrounds. And does it make it okay for him to be Dick to everyone? No. Does it make it okay for him to say racist slurs people? Absolutely not. But I do think that it's a reaction to him having to fight for everything he he's ever kind of had. So I don't think he would give over anything that nicely, he just likes toying with people. I was gonna

Theresa: 17:42

say something similar is like, um, I mean, first of all, no one's ever, I don't think anybody's ever even given him the chance. So like, ultimately, like we don't know, but everybody's immediate conversation with him is like so hostile and like, so, I mean, you really don't know at the end of the day, but I think when it comes to her, it's almost like he's flirting. So I feel like if she said, please, you know, he'd be like, well, make sure you smile when you gimme that. Freckle he'd finds something. Yeah. Like it'll be, he'll have to say something and like a part of me wonders if that's, because he also doesn't really talk to anybody. So even if someone, if she said, please like, he would just find a way to like draw out the conversation or the interaction, like a little bit longer. Um, but I do find, like, I know that he is like, he's obviously a Dick and he's so selfish and he's again, a little racist. Um, but I don't think anyone's really given him a chance to be anything other than what he's kind of portrayed. Other than that one moment where he passes side the apple.

Amanda: 18:48

So he passes him the apple, there it

Theresa: 18:49

is. Yeah. Other than that, like, well, yeah, no, one's really like

Amanda: 18:53

ever, he did try to kill the guy when he thought he was like, you get glimpses of it. Yeah. Of like a moral code that he seems to have. But I think you're kind of right. Like, because what happens is like site, like a lot of people make a lot of assumptions about a lot of characters here and site or Sawyers are terrible and they're based in a lot of really terrible, you know, origins, but you're right. People are making a lot of assumptions about him as well. They all assumed that the Marshall was there for him. Mm-hmm they all assume that he took things. Mm-hmm um, and there's gonna be a really excellent episode around that notion coming up very shortly, this idea that Sawyer's always the bad guy, um, which I adore and you know, it just, you know, you're right. It's not fair. Like, but it also makes sense because they don't know each other. And that's what, it's hard to remember exactly. When we see things like Kate, essentially, like we're jumping around a little bit, but she essentially abandons. Her job, her job. Yeah. For a guy she met eight days ago. Yeah. Mm-hmm and left someone who, by all accounts we can't trust. Yeah. And again, jumping around, which we often do and always say we won't how many were you? Like, did you think he was gonna fuck it up somehow? Yeah, because I absolutely did

Theresa: 20:08

it. I'm like, don't think I didn't. I was like, he's gonna do it. Because like at the end of the day, like he is like the bad boy with like a heart of gold kind of

Kip: 20:17

situation. But do we know that yet? Like, like you say, we've seen glimpses, but we don't necessarily

Theresa: 20:22

know that. I don't think that he would deliberately fuck up. Maybe not deliberately. Like, I don't, I don't think he would like. At that point, it would have to be deliberate, true him, not doing it. Like it would have to be deliberate. And like, I think at this point, if he didn't do it, then they'd be no better off than they are right now. So there would be like no reason for him not to do it. Like he's not fucking with anyone other than to, it's not funny,

Amanda: 20:44

like act out because that's what he did when he told he was dead. He acts out and even having seen the show, I was like to swear, fuck this up in the end. Like cuz like they left essentially Boone leaves, Shannon and Kate leaves. So

Theresa: 20:57

I know just the weirdest decision.

Amanda: 20:59

Like it's good things. I got hit over the head cuz he came back and found out that's who wasn't. He's gonna be mad.

Theresa: 21:05

I don't know. I'm maybe I'm just giving him too much Jan, but I don't know. I didn't feel like he was gonna F it up. Like I think him even saying that he, that he was dead. He was like, And he is like, wow. Yeah, it happened. So, yeah, I, I think it's complicated when it comes to Kate too, though, so,

Kip: 21:21

well, that's just it, right? Like she kind of immediately gets hostile towards him and we see it again later when he gets to them in the jungle. But, um, so they go off on their, their journey and back at the caves, Charlie wants to help, but he's clearly suffering. Jack and Hurley are bringing in the bags of stuff that Jack's taken from the beach. And Charlie, you know, he just kind of takes one and it spills out everywhere and he's sort of feeling useless and Jack's says, oh, don't worry about it. Just stay over there. You know, kind of stay of our ways, essentially what he's saying and that pisses Charlie off, but also cuz he's going through withdrawals. So he's like not exactly himself. Yeah. The wind would piss him off right now. Yeah. So he, he, he um, confronts Jack in the cave leading to the cave in, but

Amanda: 22:10

the little, the conversation with Locke with the moth does that come after that. Yeah, right? Yes. Yeah. Cause you go to like, look

Kip: 22:16

for yeah. It's when they're digging, but yeah. I, I don't know. I found the Cavan kind of hokey. I just being honest. I totally forgot about it. And I just, I didn't buy it. It just felt forced. It felt like a weird, forced thing to honestly just get Kate running back to Jack. Yeah.

Amanda: 22:40

Yeah. And to give Charlie something to do. Yeah. Cause he needed to be the hero here. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how we had to get him there. And obviously being made to feel important is gonna be the catalyst. At least we don't know, we don't know what's exact feelings, but I think it's part of the catalyst for him deciding yeah. To give up the drugs. Mm-hmm but I agree. It was kind of hokey and I thought it was particularly hokey. When he there's another Cavan. I know

Theresa: 23:03

when he is crawling through it. Oh my God. Yeah. I was like, really, like, I mean, it was

Kip: 23:08

filmed. Well, it was filmed. Well, yeah, it just, anyway, so Cavan aside, it led to some, I guess, good interactions, like you say, with Charlie and his need to feel important, which maybe could have been done in a different way, but we got the cave in, so

Amanda: 23:25

yeah, that's what we got. We get, we get a kind of glimpse again into kind of his, first of all, how the hell does this guy know so much?

Kip: 23:30

I loved lock in this episode. Excited. Same, same. He was so good. And how does he know so much like about

Amanda: 23:38

the moth, about the freaking trap he made? Yeah. Oh yeah. Like, and I didn't like that part that was kind of rude of him. I love that conversation about the moth. Yeah. And telling Charlie that the only thing that makes us different is the ability to choose. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Very good. I love that.

Theresa: 23:53

I also really liked that. Um, he goes over there and he is like, there's many cave in next chapter, whatever he's like, are there people there helping? Because honestly you don't need to do everything

Kip: 24:02

together. Oh my God appreciated that so much. I was like,

Theresa: 24:04

he is busy. He is getting you guys food. He does not need to leave this yeah. To go. I love that. He of people already there it's just another body. Like exactly.

Kip: 24:13

No, it was

Amanda: 24:14

perfectly if only Kate had a similar mentality

Kip: 24:18

oh, yes. She's a camp. Yeah. Or let's go to the next flashback where they're, I'm trying to remember. They're basically at a concert singing. Mm-hmm

Theresa: 24:30

you are every

Kip: 24:32

amazing. Yeah. And, um, Liam, his brother basically steals the show. Yeah. Pisses Charlie off.

Amanda: 24:39

And there's clear resentment

Kip: 24:40

forming. Yeah. Yeah. Huge. Yeah, exactly. And then you, you see Liam getting into the drugs, he's all about the drugs and the women and the drinks and Charlies are sort of still this naive little brother who thinks it's all about the music still when obviously that's not what everyone's thinking. Yeah. And that's where that flashback ends with Charlie, seeing his brother have the drugs and go into a closet with the girl or room. I don't know what it was. Yeah. Dressing

Theresa: 25:06

room, maybe. I don't know.

Amanda: 25:08

And, and you see kind of the wheels turning of like, is this worth it? Yeah. What's gonna happen clearly. It's not about the music because, and I'm getting the shit end of it. Anyway, mm-hmm, , mm-hmm, the shit end of the shaft. You might say.

Theresa: 25:23

I don't like that at all. I really did not

Amanda: 25:25

enjoy that, but, and you can see kind of him being like, what are we doing here? Kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. and it kind of dovetails into this idea in the present where he's like, I'm useless. Totally. I'm useless here. I was useless in the band. Yeah. I was useless to Liam.

Kip: 25:39

What's what's the point? What, what am I doing? Why am I here?

Theresa: 25:42

Yeah, yeah. Always in the way. What's my do anything. Right.

Amanda: 25:46

And this whole thing where, where lockout says you can ask for three times mm-hmm I loved that same and I, and the fact that he did ask for it the two times, and he kinda keeps reminding him, like, that's it. Um,

Kip: 25:58

I wonder if like, after the second time, if someone who is that desperate would be like, you've asked for it twice, you have one more chance. Can I want my drugs? Like, would someone who's really wanting them, or I guess that shows that lock's speech and his, his sort of talk sunk in with Charlie to give him that extra pause, to think about it.

Amanda: 26:17

I mean, I'm no expert in, you know, substance abuse, but I do think that what Locke was trying to do has a lot of. Almost meaning to it because I think his idea was fine. You can, you can do exactly that. You can stand here and be like, I'm gonna give you three opportunity. You can stand there and be like, okay, I want them, I want them, I want them. And he'll have them to you. Mm-hmm right. But at the end of the day, then he wasn't ready to, to do this. Like, as, as cliche, again, we talked about cliches on the show, like. He has to be ready and lock's not wrong. It has to be his choice. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I think that's what, why Locke intervened at all? Because Locke wanted this to stop before the drugs ran out. Cuz at that point it's still not Charlie's choice. Yeah. He just ran outta drugs on a deserted island, but right now he has them and he's, he's gonna have to make a choice. And if he wants it, make the choice to ask back for them like three times a row in a row, that's his story. Lock, leave them, Tim. And then it'll play out the way it has to play out. But he, I think he's, you know, hoping like he'll make the choice mm-hmm and that he eventually did. And I thought it was actually pretty brilliant. Risky. Yeah. For the fact that they are on a trans or an island together and withdraw to, I think it's heroin. Right? I think so sugar crack something. I don't know what it's supposed to be. I don't either. Actually I think it's heroin. Um, I think they say it at some point.

Kip: 27:28

I thought you injected heroin. I don't know anything about drugs. I don't.

Amanda: 27:31

I know literally nothing about it. So the same,

Kip: 27:34

if anyone knows what that drug was, please let us know. I think

Amanda: 27:36

you are also supposed to inject it. But maybe that's just like a, a pop culture thing. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, the point is it's some sort of hard drug and, you know, he, he has to make a choice to design, to do it or not, but that, that could kill him, right? Yeah. Withdrawn an island like that. They have no, like, I don't know anything, but you know, I've seen train spotting.

Kip: 27:58

Well, and that's why I appreciated Jack too being like, why didn't you just tell me? Yeah. Like I'm a doctor. Yeah. And he didn't say I'm a doctor, but I, I could help you. You know? And, and he does, which is great, but, and he sees the signs. So hang on one, one ridiculous moment. Okay. I I'm gonna say what I thought was the most ridiculous moment of the episode can either of you guess what I'm gonna say? I'm

Theresa: 28:22

trying to think in terms of the, where are we at? We just finished. Is it like in this

Kip: 28:26

kind of moment? It's around this time? Yeah. I don't know exact, I can't remember it's moth. Cause we, I just keep thinking about the moth. What happened? It's right after the cave, like the first

Amanda: 28:36

one or the one, the first one.

Kip: 28:37

Okay. Tell us, tell us, drawing such a blank. Oh my God. So when, when, who runs back to the beach to tell people, is it Charlie? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So when Hurley turns around and says, and don't forget to tell Kate,

Theresa: 28:53

oh God. Yeah.

Kip: 28:54

Oh my God, I couldn't roll my eyes high enough.

Theresa: 28:57

Same.

Amanda: 28:58

Well, Hurley was right though, because the, my most ridiculous moment of the episode is when Kate leaves something that could benefit all of them to, to basically the person she just said is the least trustworthy on the island. to run off after aftermath, who, by the way he says is dead. He said, he's like, he's trapped. He's trapped. He needs help. He said, he's dead. Exactly. Right. And I get that. It's probably that she didn't quite believe him. And he thought that. She thought that he was messing with. And I totally understand that, but just on the, like the face of it, it's ridiculous. So ridiculous. You know what, in eight days you think he's dead and you're in the middle of something that could help all of you.

Kip: 29:36

Well, that's the thing, I hated that moment too, because it's like, they've been going on and on about this transmission since literally the pilot. Yeah. Yeah. The first episode in Kate been extremely invested in it, for whatever reason she has to be involved in this plant and she just drops it. Yeah. Drops it and literally

Amanda: 29:52

runs. And again, if she had left CED or Hurley, Or anyone, anyone else I'd be like, okay, he's, she's left it in good hands. but she walked away thinking I don't give a shit what happens here. Yeah, exactly. Yep. I just have to get to my dead boyfriend

Theresa: 30:05

of eight days. Exactly. It wasn't eight days. It has to be less because remember he didn't trust her in the beginning.

Kip: 30:11

Yeah. It was only like when he came back from finding the water that she kind of like had those the last 56 hours

Amanda: 30:17

a little bit. Are you

Theresa: 30:17

flirting with me? Are you checking up my ass? Remember that ridiculousness? Oh my God.

Amanda: 30:22

Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, Charlie thought that was know rounds, the troops eventually after his conversation with lock in the forest, he comes and he's, you know, they're all talking about. Someone has to go in and he's like, I'm gonna go because you have a son and you have a sister and I have no one mm-hmm , which was kind of sad

Theresa: 30:40

actually. So, so

Kip: 30:40

sad. it was sad, but it was also true. It was true. Yeah. And it was also just like a, a moment of, I think, maturity for Charlie being like, absolutely you're right. Like I have no one and I'm not trying to drop pity, but it makes more sense for me to do it. Mm-hmm and it absolutely doesn't it's

Amanda: 30:56

also small actually made a note. I was like, thank fuck someone is actually thinking like that. Okay. Because that is a mentality that goes out the window on the show. It sure does. You do, Michael, you do have a set.

Theresa: 31:06

Wait

Kip: 31:06

a minute. Don't even get me start on that. The another most ridiculous moment for.

Theresa: 31:11

is it when Walt took Vincent to the cave in, because that makes no

Kip: 31:14

sense. No, Walt, no. It's when Michael's like, let me check it out. First. I have eight years of construction experience. Don't even get me. This is a cave bear load bearing cave wall.

Theresa: 31:24

have you seen the other side of the cave where the, with the

Amanda: 31:26

other parties ties into the end? When, when he's like, this was a fluke, Michael's checked it for it. I'm like, yeah, exactly

Kip: 31:33

what he spills houses. Maybe he's not a geology

Amanda: 31:36

expert. Yeah. Like I actually forgot about the like part and I looked at Tracy cuz we watched it together and. what does he do? like, I, I kind of, I guess I blanked out the first time when he said I'm like, what does he do exactly? Like,

Kip: 31:48

it was funny. It funny feel like he says, he's an engineer. He just worked construction

Amanda: 31:53

for eight years. And I, I don't don't don't get me wrong. I think people who work construction probably have a wealth of knowledge. Absolutely. But for a cave wall, I'd probably wanna talk to a geologist. Yeah, exactly. Like before I built my home under, uh, yeah, that was so funny. Yeah, that was so funny. But Michael was so helpful in this episode.

Kip: 32:09

He was, I was gonna say like, there. Without, you know, we obviously wanna wait for your rankings, but how did you feel about Michael in this episode? I did not care for him. Of

Theresa: 32:18

course. three. What

Amanda: 32:20

he had to have gone up in the rankings though. No, , he's only good

Theresa: 32:26

in this episode. He's not what he, my God, you're in construction. You'd build a tunnel, but you don't reinforce it. Come on guy. I've reinforced snow tunnels and snow banks as a child. I know because you don't want it to cave in, on yourself for God's sake. Okay. That good point. And then on, and then it's cave in and everyone's just like standing there. I thought you were chart don't you know how to do anything? No. Well that's what,

Amanda: 32:49

let me think. Let,

Theresa: 32:50

oh, he was thinking, is it so hard to just pick up the rock and move it? No, I can't. I, I didn't

Amanda: 32:58

like when Kate came and then he just started following again.

Theresa: 33:01

No, I know. And then he pushes Hurley, which you know another problem. Oh, I don't remember Hurley's climbing and he just, you know, you don't need to touch him. You don't know him. I feel like we're picking and then Walter goes just project. Can we live here? And he looks at sun.

Amanda: 33:16

Okay. That part wasn't great. But I think he just doesn't

Theresa: 33:19

wanna make her

Kip: 33:19

uncomfortable. No, exactly. I read into

Theresa: 33:21

that. I Don too. No, I read into it as, can I fuck her in a

Kip: 33:25

cave? Oh my God. No, it was totally being like, I do not trust that you're

Theresa: 33:30

as far as, as I can throw him and then on top of it, the, but it like, I, and then I started thinking like, okay, so you're telling me you worked in his direction for eight years, and this is only coming up now eight days later. But you know, Jack had a pretty good shelter going on slash infirmary and you slept under the wing of the plane. You didn't build a better shelter for you and your boy. No, like,

Kip: 33:51

no. Well that thought eight, you just said eight several times. That was a running theme. Throughout this episode. Eight was mentioned many times really? I, is it weird that I didn't know about myself eight. Eight days. There's a few other eights in there as well. Oh, wow. Yeah. We'll get more into that spoiler island, so, okay. So we'll, we'll save the rest of your stream up for the stream of consciousness and the rankings, because I mean, I, I know you could go on for hours about this. I

Theresa: 34:15

mean, so I will say like take the, he did get up plus at one point. Wow. Yeah, it's

Amanda: 34:21

good. But I do have to just say that, like, if he can't, if this episode doesn't redeem him, there's

Theresa: 34:26

no hope. There's no hope. There's no hope because he is already so behind. Right. Like, that's true. It's it's gonna take something really. Did he

Amanda: 34:33

negatives? Did he come out on top in this episode? He

Theresa: 34:36

did not go as far down as one would thing. Okay.

Kip: 34:39

That's a win in Teresa's book, right?

Theresa: 34:41

Like that's that's progress.

Amanda: 34:43

So, so Charlie, let's just kind of get through this. Charlie gets into the fucking cave in area.

Kip: 34:49

Yeah. And, uh, Jack's pinned, you can't move. Charlie has to get the rock off, push his joint back in or whatever that's Cole.

Theresa: 34:55

I, I don't know how dislocated shoulders, so explaining. He was like, as hard as you

Amanda: 34:58

can or something else. I do think that's what you have to do.

Theresa: 35:01

I don't get that. I don't, I don't know how it works. To be honest, I am not a medical professional, but also it looked really painful.

Kip: 35:08

Sounded painful too. Yeah, no, thanks. I wanna talk, like I, going back to Kate and Seid in the Bush, I mean, in the jungle, it was an interesting conversation about how they shouldn't have survived. Yes. And, and Sied saying we shouldn't have survived. This, this was a unique plane crash, a hundred percent. And Kate says, people survive, plane crashes all the time. Not like this. He says, because all the reasons, it was a very interesting conversation. And I think that was very

Amanda: 35:36

purposeful. I agree. It, it is an excellent question. Like, cuz the reality is people don't actually surpr survive plane crashes that often they don't, it's just that they're rare. Yeah. So like statistically, you're not likely to die in one because they don't really happen. Yeah. But I think a lot of the times, if they do you hear like no

Theresa: 35:56

survivors. Yeah. And we're not talking a situation where, you know, They were landing in like the landing gear, the Hudson river, you know, or they landed in the water or, you know, they, they were, you know, when they landed, you know, the landing gear like malfunction or something like that, where plane lived apart in three pieces and then dropped from the sky. Yeah. Onto land. Like that's not

Amanda: 36:16

yeah. Yeah. That's not, he was, he was right. Like

Theresa: 36:19

there should have been way more Jack should have been impaled by

Kip: 36:21

a tree. And I think they even say that like, or se says that, you know, like at the very least we should not be in the shape that we're in. Like we should have been injured or most likely dead. Yeah. And it, it was, it was a great conversation in case, like, sorry, something's just happened cuz they happen. Yeah. You know, and that sort of solidifies, I think a lot of the opinions about the show in a lot of ways, it was a good sort of yeah. Like ation, that's a new word,

Amanda: 36:47

but they also have a conversation. I don't like what later on when Sawyer's there and Sawyer and Kate are gonna go off together. okay. And say, essentially is like, I don't trust him. And she's like, well, who does? And he's like, I don't trust him with you. And I'm like the fuck, what does that mean? You think it's gonna happen? Yeah. Attack her. Do you legitimately think he's gonna hurt her? Because then you should be doing more. You shouldn't leave. Are you worried that he's gonna like hit on her? Because if that's your concern, you should shut your mouth because she can handle it.

Kip: 37:12

Yeah. That was a weird thing to say too. I agree.

Amanda: 37:15

So I, I, and you gotta give like a weird creepy kind of like fatherly smile that I didn't love. I didn't love sighted in that moment. I don't like happy sight. I only like miserable or angrys was he happy in that

Kip: 37:26

moment? Well, he smiled. Well, he's determined and yeah, I guess that kind of makes him happy, but yeah, like, and those jungle scenes were, were peculiar well done because I hated also the way Kate interacted with Sawyer right away. Yeah. When he came in there, what do you want, what the hell

Theresa: 37:42

did you want? Yeah, they're awful. Just, just off the bat. Like yeah. Not even like a, Hey, what, what, and I mean,

Kip: 37:48

I can kind of see Sawyer at that point. I, I can see why someone like Sawyer would then withhold that information that he was planning on telling her. Absolutely. I do believe that mean him, but doesn't mean that it was the right decision to make, but I could see why someone like Sawyer would decide then to be like, you know what, fuck you. You're gonna treat me like that. I'm not gonna tell you what you

Theresa: 38:06

wanna know. Oh, exactly. Cuz it was just like the very first thing when she saw him was like, yeah, so hostile, like, and there was no reason for it. And you can see like there's like a Pang of like hurt almost. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Where

Kip: 38:16

he's like, oh, okay. Yeah, exactly.

Amanda: 38:18

And then that conver yeah. When she's like. You guys are nothing alike or whatever. Yeah. Like the host's rude, very rude. She's like rude more similar than you would think if he had survived, which was also rude. Yes. But again, he reacted to, you don't know him. Mm-hmm yeah. You also don't know Jack. Yeah, exactly. Like for all, you know, Jack is a serial killer. Yeah. Jack got an issues big time clearly. Okay. And we're just gonna gloss over them because you wanna get in his pants when he is, at least if we're talking about similarities, they're at least equally hot

Kip: 38:49

untrue. You prefer

Amanda: 38:51

Sawyer. Yes. There audibly gasped. When his shirt came off this episode,

Kip: 38:58

just wait till next episode.

Theresa: 39:00

I don't remember what next episode is.

Kip: 39:02

You will. Yeah. So I mean, it was, it was good. It was good. And then like, so we go back to the caves, Kate runs up and they're just taking a break because the cave in the second cave in just happened. And Michael says, let me think. They all are looking to Michael in this bank cuz of his eight years of construction experience. I can't

Theresa: 39:20

he's like we we'll we'll start moving rocks until we find a shovel. Where are you gonna find a shovel? The store? He

Kip: 39:26

said a shovel, like item my

Theresa: 39:27

God, I can't with him.

Kip: 39:32

I can't wait for this room of consciousness. Oh, it's not

Theresa: 39:35

that bad. You guys it's

Kip: 39:35

very tame also. Oh the, um, now I'm single. So the, um, also the beach when they're getting people, the, the whole Scott Steve thing for the very first time showed up. Yeah. Scott, Steve. No, I'm Steve. No I'm Scott. That

Amanda: 39:51

was good. So eventually Charlie makes his way in. We see another flashback. Where Liam is essentially like, I'm not leaving. Like Charlie says, we're pulling the plug. Like we talk essentially going, yeah. Throw back to that first scene. And he said it was always, you know, supposed to be about the music, et cetera. And Liam's essentially like, fuck

Kip: 40:08

you. Yeah, no, not gonna happen. Wanna Charlie leave? Go for it, Charlie. But Charlie walks

Amanda: 40:11

away. Yeah. That's he though?

Theresa: 40:13

Well, he walks no, Liam walks away. Walks away in the scene.

Amanda: 40:17

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Liam walks away. Charlie walks to the, the vanity vanity, the drugs and he's yeah, it's clear that that's the beginning of the end for, yeah,

Theresa: 40:25

exactly what started. I, I don't really get why, if he is so worried that his brother is like spiraling, why would you then follow that? Well,

Kip: 40:33

I think it was a moment for. Someone like Charlie, who clearly looks up to his big brother and has major self-esteem issues is very insecure. And he's probably going, like, there's probably a million things going through his mind and he sees these drugs and he's just like, almost like a, you can't get him. Join him kind of mentality in a crude wave of saying it.

Amanda: 40:56

I think I, I had the same thought, cause I was kind of like, if you watch this destroy your brother, why would you do it? And I, I, I think I felt the same way you did, which is essentially like, he wants to know like even more. So I think he wants to know like, how good is this? Yeah. That it's destroy. Like he won't give it up. Even for me, mm-hmm right. Like, so how, like, I, I, that's how I kind of took it. Like he's thinking this has to be the most amazing thing in the world. He won't even give it up for me, for our band, for our future. So like, what is this? And like, as the only way I'm gonna be able to connect with him to also,

Kip: 41:29

and it's not like he, like, you see him start crying. It's not like, he's just being like, well, I guess I'll do drugs too. He's torn. No, he's very torn up about it. And it's, it's a hard thing for him to do. And obviously it hits him real hard as we see him. So. Oh yeah. Not a good, not a good, um, moment for Charlie. No. Did anybody else, um, wonder why Liam lives in Sydney? I wish you would've found out.

Theresa: 41:54

I think, I just assume that the girl that he was

Amanda: 41:58

maybe with, I have a feeling, it was probably to get him out of like that scene, that scene. True. Right. A lot of people do do that. Maybe not such a move from like, you know, the UK to Australia, but I think that's a common move. It's also, I

Kip: 42:12

think pretty easy for people from the UK to move to Australia.

Amanda: 42:14

And I think he just needed to get away. He talks about how Australia has some good programs. True. So maybe so maybe that's how he

Theresa: 42:19

knows. Yeah. Maybe some rehab that's

Amanda: 42:21

true. Yeah. Right. And we, we find out, you know, obviously there's a big gap in time here. Yeah. But we see that, you know, he's a family man. He's got glasses. He's cute. What do glasses have to do with him? Well, clearly they make you look more wholesome according to loss. Well,

Kip: 42:34

and he's wearing the sweater with the color of,

Amanda: 42:36

oh, it looks like a fucking professor and yeah, he's got his kid and we hear, you know, like I miss Megan's birth and like, he clearly. Hit rock bottom and then brought himself out. And now Charlie's pissed. Like, what do you think of that? Like, is, is Charlie right to be that angry at him and

Theresa: 42:53

say you did this to me. I,

Kip: 42:56

I was actually impressed with Charlie in that moment. I thought, you know what, he's probably not doing it for the right reasons, but he should say those things to his brother at some point, maybe not at this time, but yeah, he wasn't there for him. He Liam, wasn't thinking of Charlie in any of those decisions about the band, about the drugs, about moving on, it was only about Liam and now in Charlie's state. It, it makes sense. That he would lash out against Liam in that way. And it's true. Liam did do that to him. I mean, yes, he did it to himself, but in a, in a sense, in a bigger sense, it was because of Liam's he was definitely

Theresa: 43:35

influence by

Amanda: 43:37

a hundred percent, but also, is it fair to equate it to the point of saying, you know, you owe me or you did this. So like, I'm asking you to risk this whole life and family, and you're in a good place. You have got your addiction under control. It's never fully gone. He's gonna risk bringing his brother back through all that. Like I thought that was very

Kip: 43:56

selfish, but I see. And I thought, cuz when he says, I'm asking you as a brother. Like you asked me in the first scene, it was like, yeah, this is probably how Charlie sees it. He sees it as, okay. I signed on reluctantly with you because you asked me really nicely and we made a decision. So now it's my turn to ask you. And Li's clearly just moved on and doesn't want anything to do. I don't think it was, I mean, yeah, it was selfish, but I think in Charlie's mind at that moment, he wasn't doing it for selfish reasons that he saw as being selfish. And it's also very clear that , he yells a few times or he at least yells to Jack. I'm a bloody rock. God it's clearly they just had like a one hit wonder. You all, everybody, you all, everybody, you know, like, so I don't, because now they're just opening for a band. It's

Theresa: 44:46

just like, yeah. Called meat to cook. Well,

Amanda: 44:48

we don't see everything. And I'm guessing what happened is that when they both spiraled into drugs, the band just collapsed because you can't like, that's not sustainable. Yeah. No. And so I'm guessing that's what maybe happened. And we don't see that quite yet. Maybe we'll get a few more glimpses into that in the future. Mm-hmm who

Kip: 45:03

knows? Yeah. So it was a good ending for Charlie's flashbacks in this episode, cuz obviously he has a flight to catch and that's the fight that he's on leading him to where he is now on the island. So how funny was it when Charlie and Jack just walk up behind everybody. I love that.

Amanda: 45:18

Me too. The doctor. Yeah.

Kip: 45:19

Walt,

Amanda: 45:20

once again, you don't know his fucking name. All you dumb eat

Theresa: 45:23

stupid child.

Amanda: 45:24

Wow. Wow. But I did think that was cute and I, I will admit begrudgingly because at least one of us could admit when there our least favorite character does something kind of adorable. I did think it was cute when Kate launched herself and his arms

Theresa: 45:35

really. I mean, when you're in love with someone after six days enough to screw everybody else, I mean, yeah. I thought

Amanda: 45:41

that was cute. That's all I'll say. Okay. Fair. It causes me physical pain to have

Theresa: 45:44

even said that I can, I can admit when my least favorite character does something good. And you, yeah. What, what did he do? Good. In this episode, he got some points for organizing everyone there. We got, when he was like, we gotta, we gotta get some people lifting rocks, then we'll switch out people drinking water. He got points for that. I can admit that. That was, that was honestly, that was very responsible task delegation.

Kip: 46:11

So the episodes essentially over, except for the launching of the fireworks, which site sends his up. he waits. And then we see, I thought this was hilarious back at the beach when Shannon's like, oh my God, I've been to Malibu. And the men are, the guys are so awful or whatever. I thought that was funny. She's just sitting there gossiping. And

Amanda: 46:29

then the other girl has to like point out and then she, you know,

Theresa: 46:32

into action.

Kip: 46:33

She, yeah, she pulled it off. She did it actually. So that was good. And

Amanda: 46:37

Sawyers Sawyer did. I was waiting. I was like, yeah. And then it worked. It did it went on and then the best thing ever, which I did not, I know exactly what that bonk

Theresa: 46:48

on the head leads to same, but I forgot,

Amanda: 46:51

but I did not know what happened in episode, mother fucking seven of season.

Theresa: 46:55

See so early. Are you not kidding me? Sure. I

Kip: 46:59

remember. And I thought it was later. This is why we need to talk about spoiler island because I have an, I, I don't know. I'm gonna, I have to ask. I have many

Theresa: 47:07

questions. Okay, good.

Amanda: 47:09

I don't know that, but it just, like I said, things are happening way faster than I remember.

Kip: 47:12

Totally. Yeah. So, yeah. So, so gets knocked on the head and um, we don't know what happens next. Charlie's back at the, at the caves around the fire and he's talking to Jack, Jack's kind of helping him says, I need to go up stretch. My legs goes to lock. Who's having this like wonderful pick roast, like brushing it with Palm leaves. yeah. What

Amanda: 47:31

does that, do you know what I've learned in these short episodes to not question lock? He's just kind of like, I'm like, are he making sure there's no bugs maybe? And that the smoke is happening? Like, I don't know, evenly smoking it with

Theresa: 47:44

a P he wasn't, he wasn't, he was hitting the, the board, whatever happens. I never know its

Amanda: 47:48

so funny. So, but anyway, it does lead to what I, I consider to be the best moment in the show. This episode mm-hmm when he asked for the drugs and locks. It's the third time he's like, I know. and then he takes me, he throws me in the fucking fire. Yeah. It's so beautiful. I, I cried. She did. She did. I, I was a mess. I thought that was freaking beautiful. He made a choice. He made the, the choice for himself.

Theresa: 48:11

Yeah. Yeah. That was beautiful.

Kip: 48:12

And lock was proud of him. Said he knew a little smile. Knew you could do it or knew had it in you. Mm-hmm very proud. Proud Papa lock moment. Sure.

Amanda: 48:20

Rory was so excited at that episode. I think what's important. More than anything is we all thought it was beautiful episode. Well, Kip didn't love it. It wasn't my favorite.

Kip: 48:30

Let's give our ranking. Okay. Okay. I'll go first with six.

Theresa: 48:35

There's no decimal there.

Kip: 48:36

Just to straight up a six, 6.3. Why not? Three extra. I'll give it an

Amanda: 48:41

8.5. Wow. I like Charlie. I've always, I've always stand Charlie. and this is the beginning of, of why

Theresa: 48:49

that, what does Stan mean?

Amanda: 48:50

Like be a super fan of, it means something

Theresa: 48:53

don't look at me like I'm hip and young

Amanda: 48:55

someone tell us what Stan means. Yeah. Cause I don't, it might be wrong. well, like to stand someone is like super like them. Okay. But there's, it obviously means something. Okay.

Kip: 49:03

We need to know. I don't know. I'm not young enough. So 8.5. Wow. Good episode. 6.8.

Theresa: 49:09

Wow. It's it's honestly, it's not my favorite. Um, I don't know what it is. It's just like, even when we were like talking about it, I just found, I was like,

Kip: 49:16

eh, yeah. It felt, it felt to me it felt incohesive little disjointed. Yeah. And it was, it's funny. I found the, um, on island moments, forgettable. Yeah. Yeah. But just kind of, but yeah, it, it leads to some great moments as everything does and lost. It always leads to better.

Amanda: 49:44

And now for a very popular segment where you get to not have to listen to us for a few minutes and get to hear the thoughts of someone watching it for the first time in 2022. Dan. So Dan, tell us what you thought of episode seven, the moth Charlie centric. Mm,

Dan: 50:03

this episode felt very dated looking at it. It

Kip: 50:06

very much

Dan: 50:07

felt, I don't know it, there there's aspects of this show that just felt like they were just going based on pop culture. I don't know. It just felt very dated seeing the music and the cultural references and especially the outfits in this one. And I didn't fully. Grasp the storyline, um, of his previous band experience, but I would say overall, um, not a terrible, uh, terrible episode. Uh, I would say that I was hook a little bit, uh, with this episode, but not as much as last time, I would say this, this is now starting to build towards a show where there's some, uh, momentum behind it. So thinking of the char Charlie's story, uh, I felt like it was very obvious they had, uh, trapped enough hints for it. So, um, this episode I felt like was more about the cave in, uh, more about the rocks than Charlie. So I feel like Charlie might have been robbed from his backstory. I felt like the other characters got much more in depth backstories, whereas they just kind of threw this one into be like, this is. Recovering drug addict. And this is the story which felt very small. It was, it was almost, but then again, maybe that's the direction of the show. They're starting to back outta these backs stories, um, and starting to interplay it with more of the life and the survival on the island, which I can actually appreciate because the story of them and the cave in was actually pretty, uh, pretty interesting. Um, I had to laugh when Kate does walk up and says, why is nobody digging? Because no one was digging, which was shocking that, uh, someone, uh, is trapped in this trapped in this cave. And, uh, good on Kate for, for spearheading that. Thinking back to this episode, gosh, I would probably give it like a four outta 10, four outta 10, I think is fair. This episode felt very disjointed. It didn't feel it didn't, it, it, it honestly, and, and I could be wrong, but it feels like a transition between these backs stories into maybe more, uh, island centric

Amanda: 51:58

storylines. So what do you think happened when Saed got hit over the head? What do you think is gonna happen next? I

Dan: 52:03

don't think it was anyone on. Like the crew or the, the band of island mates. no one, uh, I don't think any of them hit 'em um, I'm thinking again, it's someone of these like weird extraterrestrial things going on in the island. So that was actually

Kip: 52:19

a highlight of the episode, Theresa mm-hmm it's time for your. Stream of consciousness and your rankings, which are you gonna give us first?

Theresa: 52:30

I think we'll do the rankings first because we already know that Michael's still at the bottom. So Michael's still at the bottom with, um, negative 1080. Shannon. Um, is at number 13 with negative 650? Kate is at. Minus 420 Boone minus 130 Jin minus 45, Walt minus 25. And then now we're getting into the positives. So our top eight is Sun with 55 Hurley, 95. Sayid 125. Sawyer 165, Locke 184. I don't know why his is like the most random, like, it doesn't end in a five or a zero. And like, I don't really where that came from. Yeah. Like I don't know how that happened. Um, because I don't really assign non-zero or five ending numbers, but whatever. Um, Jack 205 Claire, 300 and then our number one spot this week goes to, uh, Charlie 465. But we're gonna have an honorable mention this week. Which has only ever happened once before with rose, our honorable mention for rankings go to Scott and Steve Scott and Steve, may you bring us joy because they were just. A bright spot in this episode, I'm Steve. Yeah.

Kip: 53:51

I thought that was AOR. It's almost like it's almost like a meta moment. Like yeah. Yeah. We don't know who these back actors or, um, background people are. Yeah. We saw three background people. Nobody does not even the castaways. There's

Theresa: 54:02

Scott and Steve and the girl who bullies at the, the fire. What's that? Thank God for contraband fireworks. Yeah.

Kip: 54:08

Okay. All right. All so let's hear your stream of consciousness. I'm very excited. Okay.

Theresa: 54:12

Um, alright. So this is for episode seven, the moth, um, it starts with Charlie. Are you okay? Also in the caves? Are they not always outside also? How did we. Forget about that mugshot. And how far is a mile as a Canadian? I don't know. Yeah. Um, so Jack is indeed living there forever. Good to know in Sawyer, honestly, I would've done the same. It looks like he has the best spot for sure. Oh, locks a growling. Tactle that's for true. Charlie, why would you think that was him? You confess once a week? I actually can't remember the last time I went to confession last. All right, so it's Charlie and one lady Charlie, and a second lady. And then it's lady one and lady two. So is this how threesome works? Two or three twosomes. Do they ever go ham all together? Yes. Um, do I don't, I don't know. He didn't confess that part. I'm just saying he only confessed him and the one lady him and the second lady and then the two ladies, but never altogether. Also, how is Charlie bait? Do Boers eat humans? also, why do I love Locke? All of a sudden he's so wise. Fuck you, Rory. OHS. You're so useful, but what happens if it's outside the triangle? How do you know how big the island is? How do you know what's happening also? Amanda, did you ever finish Watership down? Did you ever started? That's a better question. Um, also, Jack, maybe you should take care of the guy you say looks sick. I'm just saying also promises. Like we will walk away, never work ever. Which one of you is gonna recognize it's too crazy. The one who wants to try the crazy or the one who already gave into the peer pressure also, do people have rooms in the cave or is it just a free for all on the floor and yes, the old yelling on the cave thing that causes the cave in also, where are the rest of the cave dwellers? Is it really just Hurley Charlie Jen's son, Jack and lock in there. Also say people did die. I get you're okay. But some folks did die and we never found out what happened to the guy with the leg. Oh, Hey Scott. Hey Steve. Also, why are we bringing Vincent to the cave with you? If there's a cave and he's a dog, you should leave him there. So why are we leaving Shannon with something that important? And, oh my God, the content we've been looking for, I don't even know what Sawyers said. I just saw arms also does his brother, what was it again? Liam does that? Why does he look like Wolverine? But if he was led astray as a team and wow, Michael, you suddenly serve a purpose. Did you use these skills when everyone is building their shelters? and Sawyer is looking good. Um, Kate, let him talk. This is why we don't cut people off. Do we give him a chance ever? I mean, he did give you the battery in the end. Also gross lock. Is that how big moth cocoons are? Ew. Also moths are kind of, Ew. Don't does the name doesn't anyone else find them creepy? Did anyone ever find a shovel? I mean, he's selfish, but I don't know that he cares to do anything at all. I think that's in regards to Sawyer. Charlie is a good guy after all, but wow. Sawyer's dimples though. Kate, what are you gonna do? Oh, okay. I see you would risk the person you don't trust to take care of the antenna for a man. You barely know whatever happened to the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or is that a different universe altogether? Also, Amanda, does this count as Kate's selfishness? Are you gonna answer the question? A hell. Yes. Okay. Also fun fact. I wear a scarf like Charlie does that gold one for new year's, but mine usually has polkadots for, uh, our rich new year. So Charlie, Charles, why are you doing this? If you don't want him to please don't do this. But you did. Why didn't we reinforce the tunnel with anything? Michael did no one build tunnels in snow banks like I did. As a child, you use sticks. You use anything to keep it from collapsing down on you. Also, Michael don't push Harley. What the hell is wrong with you also ever wonder what as hard as you possibly can actually entails. Does anyone know what the max strength they have actually is for them to do that? Also? That seems incredibly painful, Jack and an incredibly manly plus a hundred. Oh wow. Liam has it together now. Interesting how lock and Jack find out, but reacts similarly that Charlie is capable and he's able also Michael, she would kill herself and strand all of you for Jack. If the ground is so loose that they can pop a hand through it. Why didn't that cave? It. So, okay. We have CED useless reinforce that they zombie out of the ground. somehow, I don't know how they got Jack out of there. He's got one arm that's broken and Charlie is the small one. Anyway. So we have CED useless number one and untrustworthy number one. So let's see how this goes. Oh, no. SED. Who did this to you? All right. Well, I guess today, Shannon does finally get some points. Also. Stop it right now. Stop it. Now don't look at her. Have some boundaries also. Jack, why didn't you make yourself a sling? Is that not first aid? 1 0 1 bitch. Are you how many steps? You know, if we're one step closer, how many steps is it actually digging out the island? Is this a nine step or 12 step program? Hey luck. Are you basting the boar? if so, what spices and oil.

Amanda: 59:58

Also, he looks like

Theresa: 1:00:01

Charlie looks like Gollum in this scene, but then he becomes fr the drugs are precious and then he throws it in the fire. But I guess, wrong universe yet. Again, this episode hasn't changed my mind on moths being fantastic. I've never been saved by one, not even a CGI one, but also is anyone else worried about Sied Kate? Yeah. Fuck.

Amanda: 1:00:29

the end. And 1.6. What 1.6 what's 1.6. How many kilometers? There are 12 mile. Oh, okay. Thank you.

Kip: 1:00:37

Good job. Thanks there. That was another excellent

Theresa: 1:00:40

stream. Precious. I feel like they did that on purpose for sure. And then he threw it

Kip: 1:00:45

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Amanda: 1:01:13

Hey.

Kip: 1:01:16

Okay.