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Let's Get Lost 8 - Solitary
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This week on Let's Get Lost, the Oceanic Three discuss Solitary - the Sayid centric episode where a whole lot of questions come up and one real important one gets answered!
Plus who out of the castaways is thinking of everyone's mental health and asks the important question of "what's the point of just surviving?" Hint - it's not Jack, and it certainly isn't Michael. Speaking of Michael, will he finally move out of the last place in Theresa's rankings? Spoiler alert - NO! No he does not...
Other tidbits, Jack smiles for once, Kate impresses Amanda, Theresa gets stressed, and Kip reveals what those whispers are actually saying.
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We're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking, but even more so we love talking about lost. So join us for some laughs good conversation, and let's get lost together. Um, welcome back everyone. Um, to let's get lost with your oceanic three. Um, so we have Kip AKA Jack lever, 92. We have Amanda AKA Kate hate 88 and then there is me with no username. Um, so we're gonna do a poll when this episode comes out on our Instagram and on our Facebook, um, with a list of usernames that I've come up with. Um, I don't wanna be a hat. Like Amanda, I'd rather be a lover like Kipper. So we'll put that up. We'll let it run for about a week. And then we will, uh, give myself that username, but it'll be for this
Kip:season. Can we get any, um, previews of what your names might be? Yeah.
Theresa:Uh, miss sun Durst did 42. Mm. Okay. All right. Not,
Amanda:not, um, I just, I think it's funny because I've seen the list, everyone, and they're all similar to that. It's like very fancy. Pun ones where Kate hate 88. Isn't exactly inspired. It's
Theresa:it? Rhymes?
Amanda:That's true. So why don't we give you a rhyming one? I think earlier Kip has suggested my favorite one so far. I don't like it. We're talking. Michael sh Michael
Theresa:11,
Kip:Michael sch Michael 11.
Theresa:Michael Michael. I'm pretty sure I said that I wanted to be 11. Not a hater. Yeah, but
Kip:in your hate, there
Theresa:is love. There is no love. I am chugging. The haterade love I
Kip:Michael, to hate him.
Theresa:No,
Amanda:I think there's a, there's a fine line between love
Theresa:and hate there. This is indifference. It is
Kip:not in difference. There's no fucking way that it's indifferent. Isn't indifference. The hate cannot. I believe that the end of this episode's rankings and stream of consciousness, Michael will, there will be a very clear indication that this is not.
Theresa:Indifferent. Well, he was garbage this episode let's he barely did
Amanda:anything other than try to help them, but continue.
Theresa:Oh, let's cut. I mean, no, they're gonna get there. We'll
Amanda:get a little angry. Let's start by hearing what we're even gonna be talking about
Kip:today. Yeah. Okay. We're gonna be talking about solitary. The ninth episode written by David fury and directed by Greg ESS. When a golf bag is found in the wreckage Hurley constructs, a primitive golf course to give the survivors a much needed recreational outlet in the jungle. C's attempt at exploration ends. When he falls into a trap, he re regains consciousness in the layer of a mysterious French woman named Danielle Russo. SI's overtures of friendship are rebuffed as Russo resorts to torture, believing him to be part of a mysterious tribe already living on the island, freaky
Theresa:for Ricky.
Amanda:Very freaky. Um, let's hear some facts about this episode before we continue our discussions. Yeah. So 17.64 million viewers, this, this week that's high, and that is back to those like kinda high numbers we were talking about earlier. IMDB rating 8.5 out of 10 criminally low in my opinion. But we'll get to that covers days 12 to 13 on the island Sawyer nickname count is two with two relatively tame ones. Well kind of Dr. Quinn for Jack and frecks of course, for Kate, the only person on the island Sawyer can stand to be near honorary mentioned. He calls Jack jackass, which insult more than nickname. Probably. I mean, Jack is his name.
Theresa:I think
Amanda:it's both. It wouldn't to be fair. I think Dr. Quinn is also meant an insult. I loved it though. I did. Dr. Quit has actually gets like a primitive. Yeah. Or, you know, it it's covers a
Kip:lot of bases. Absolutely. Yeah. I, I appreciated Dr. Quinn. Me too. Well, thanks Meda. Those are some interesting facts.
Amanda:All right. And I think we have some, see those numbers up
Kip:trivia trivia. Okay. I'm gonna read some statements first and then I'm gonna give you some questions. Okay? Okay. Thank you. in solitary, the series solved its first mystery. So, you know, for all those out there that says lost, never answered any questions, you know, boom bitch, who
Amanda:was on the transmission.
Kip:That's right. Okay. Danielle Russo
Theresa:and my dad quite quickly.
Kip:Yeah. It's episode nine. Okay. So calm down to people. All right. So this reveal occurred despite the network encouraging the producers to wait until the finale to reveal who was on the transmission in an early draft of solitary, Russo told Sayid that she and her research team were studying time. That's what they were coming to study. Interesting. Maybe, maybe not. However, ABC saw this draft and asked them not to put in that line because the network was very afraid of making it seem too. Sci-fi E in the first season, which is kind of good and bad because it's like, if they did that, which clearly they had some pull to like take away some of the sci-fi, but then it almost feels like a switcheroo come season two. And when they start getting heavier into the sci-fi a hundred percent, I say, so it's like, why not just build it up organically? Like
Theresa:hashtag smoke monster
Amanda:and like why? Yeah. Organically and just kind of like a throwaway kind of line. Like I,
Kip:yeah, no one would think, oh my God, this is sci-fi.
Theresa:But like, I think people already had like, kind of an inclination, cuz I don't know, like polar bears in the jungle mm-hmm trees being knocked down. Someone getting, yeah. Something's out of a plane like this isn't like
Kip:normal. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Really interesting. That is
Theresa:interesting.
Amanda:Any trivia for us today?
Kip:I have a couple trivia questions. All right. So how many languages does Danielle ask Sayid in if he knows where Alex is?
Amanda:Uh, 11.
Theresa:No, Dondi is the Alex that's one Alex. That's two. Where is Alex? Where, where is Alex? That's three, at least three.
Kip:well, you can't say it. It's it's six, six languages.
Theresa:Good
Amanda:for her. That was really cool. I liked that to show that she's, you know, I don't know if she came on the island knowing that, or if she's had a lot of time on her hands, but she's had 16 years.
Theresa:How do you teach herself another language without like, she might have had some books? Yeah. She might have had some visitors. How do you know if your pronunciation is right? Maybe she just knew those
Amanda:all before she
Theresa:got there. Yeah, that's
Kip:possible. Yeah. She's okay. The character. Of Russo is based on a famous wet, a Explorer, B philosopher, C poet, or D scientist.
Amanda:Mm. Philosopher.
Theresa:Correct.
Kip:I don't know anything. So the philosopher Russo, this is the actual philosopher stated in a state of nature. People were neither good nor bad, but noble savages, who used reason for self preservation. He stated that people were corrupted by society, which he viewed as an artificial construct. He famously said, man is born free and everywhere is in chains. Hmm.
Theresa:Interesting. Very interesting few
Kip:parallels to mm-hmm what's happening? I think most of one more question. Okay. Four today. This is only
Amanda:three, a four. I think's three guys. I'm losing it.
Kip:Nevin. Andrews who play Seid earned an Emmy nomination for in season one. Only one other actor received an Emmy nomination for season one. Who was it?
Amanda:Not Evangeline Lilly or I'm quitting this show.
Kip:She actually won best actress, six years in a row. I
Amanda:know that is not accurate. Oh man.
Theresa:Um, uh, Terry O. Quinn, correct? Yeah, it's a fun. So finally got one.
Kip:Awesome.
Amanda:Yeah. So tied again. Little
Theresa:Tyro. Yeah. Little til Tyro. Yeah. I never win actually. Other than that, like one time.
Amanda:very interesting. You know, it it's, it is interesting cuz I do remember winning a lot of Emmys or at least being nominated. I don't know if I was paying total attention to that kind of stuff back then, but um, I do remember it being, uh, relatively well received critically for sure. And then the last season, despite some concerns, what garnered a lot of nominations. It
Kip:did. Yeah. And, um, it was nominated a lot, but I think it lacked. I feel like Terry Quinn was nominated almost every year. And I think, um, a character shows up, I don't think til season two, that actor was nominated pretty much every year. And he might won a few times too. He
Theresa:should have, do they win? Like best supporting or like, yes. Okay.
Kip:Yeah, because it's
Theresa:ensemble. Yeah. I always wonder how it works in a ensemble if everyone's just like,
Kip:Alrighty, there's our trivia. So let's get into our stream of consciousness and that shall set the stage for the rest of our conversation. Theresa, take
Theresa:it away. Yeah. So this time I went with a, I tried to do it, um, on my phone and so that we don't keep hearing the pages flipping. Um, but I'm not wearing my glasses. So we'll see how this goes. All right. So what starts with, I wonder how far Sayid got, because I don't see any plane wreckage in this long shot. How long has it been? He also has very great hair. I feel like I would go crazy being alone with my thoughts the entire time. What's he looking at? I feel like I would audibly say, but what to this, if I saw what he was looking at, I would not be this quiet and just mean or over to investigate. Also, did we forget about the smoke monster? The bears? How's he fending for himself? What's he eating? Where's he sleeping? Also. That's a thick cable and in the water where too, and then in the mystery jungle, Jack is looking real good today and I'm not really sure why and Sawyer's arm is looking real nice. Jack's being a little mean, but you know what? Sawyer isn't really helping matters. I also don't understand why we're always fussing about Cape what's she done to be so sought after Jack. How are you so sweaty walking from Sawyer's tent to where Kate is, looks like it's about four feet. Oh, okay. So it's been two days. So in his backpack, did SI bring a change of clothes? How do they do laundry here? And it looks like Kate is mad at him. I mean, I guess I kind of get it. He's pretty dismissive of CED going off on his own. Don't tell me, Jack is jealous of Sied now, too. We do know she's not property. Yes. It's not a she's mine kind of deal. Especially after what I think might be two weeks, SI is at a trip wire. You know, I feel like they have enough problems without having a deal. Booby traps. Oh yep. You and he just hit his head. I'm glad he did. Actually. I feel like usually when there are these things where they get caught upside down, they just swing around and nothing happens. And you know, there are trees and shit. So you definitely swing towards something. Well, he didn't hit his head. There's something out of his leg. I think that might be worse. All right. Well, he's passed out, but he didn't play that game of, do we take it out or leave it in? I feel like that's a risky game. I would've played that because you know what, if the stick hit an artery and then you take it out and then you bleed out or is that why he passed out? I don't know. And no, we were cutting. Great. Oh, he's still upside down and it's nighttime. So he's been out for a while. I guess he didn't bleed out and die. So was this trap for animals or people? Do they know that someone would step over the wire and then that's where the trap should be? I feel like animals just aren't that observant. So maybe people say, just pass out again and fake it or play dead. Don't call out to these people. They caught you for God's sake. How do you not break his neck? Falling down head first. And of course he passes out. When they see the figure appear, he woke up just enough time to see that. All right. So who is hurt now? I don't understand the slightest. Who is this guy? Oh my God. This guy's such a wimp. Calm down. You know what, sir? I wanna break your glasses. So you stop speaking and let Jack talk, Jack kudos to you for not hitting him. We're activating his hives. I would've just run my fingers over them to make him a cheer. H I get what you're saying, but everyone's got issues. This guy can be freaking out. And bogarting the doc's time with his hypochondria. Jack. I think we might be soulmates actually. Sorry, Kate and sorry. Kipper. Harley. Why don't you do something then Jack has enough on his plate. He doesn't have to worry about this. Also things could entirely be worse. You could all be bleeding out. You could all have infection. You could all be in pieces, dead staked by trees eaten by Boers. Well to death by a bear. Also who's Alex. It's a lot of languages Sayid, are you okay? I need to learn more languages. Oh my God, what the hell are you? Electrocuting him. See, you know what? That's the hair. I would expect. Very messy, very mad. oh my God, he's sat. He's torturing him. Then he has to choose when he has hands or his life. I feel like I choose my life. How do you know when you're torturing someone that they're gonna give up the truth? Are they telling the truth? Are they lying about the truth? When do you stop death? Like how did say, you know, he didn't know anything. Cuz he bared. Cuz he got punched a bunch. A bunch of times you don't care about your life. Would you even concede to the torture is the girl in the picture on the opposite side of him. Who's this guy now. Oh, Hey Ethan. Look at us. Introducing new characters. What's the hypo Kendrick guy's name? Uh, no. Well, you can't go. You're a child, honestly. Why is Michael already yelling? I don't remember Locke and Michael's last interactions. Maybe it was when he gave him the dog or maybe when Michael was down by a piglet, hard to say, but it seems very hostile. See what I mean though? Sight is being tortured for information and I don't think he knows what this person is talking about, but she keeps trying to attack him. I think I might be dumb. Is it weird that seeing a cable on a beach? I would think I was on some kind of reality show and not. Something about the transmission. What does that say about me? Society has ruined me. Reality TV has ruined me. Are there any shows where you're on a reality show, but you don't know Hass? Is that legal? I love knowing French. Oh, oh my God. It's her. She looks ed, sit there. Come on. Clearly some bad ass girls. Uh ma'am. It's rude to go through someone's things. But another new name, another new character. And she's actually badass, but who are we talking about? I can't do this show. How did I do before the stress? Are they becoming friends and another name? Nadia. Do I need to add all these people to my list of rankings? I guess I'll ask the others a shit. Is he supposed to torture her? Oh my God. They're friends. Best friends, young friends. Were they something more? Yeah. You know what sounds like she got a crush on him. I have chills. Torture is scary and I'm so uncomfortable. I didn't know that, uh, That I, I don't know that I could ever hurt someone. Also. Why is she touching him so much? Like inspecting him? Is this a friendship blooming? You know, because if so, let him go. Um, but if not stop touching uh, why don't you help him? Why don't you help Walt out or maybe hang out with him a little bit, Michael he's nine or whatever he needs shit to do. He's young, early, that giggle is so cute. What are you doing? You know, I don't think, I I'd know how to be a capture. Come to think of it. If I was alone for 16 years, I'd wanna chat with someone too, but this is heartbreaking. Oh my God. Is Russo gonna force herself on him. I am unsettled. golf. Okay. Like I can't even fault her for touching his face. Really? The pandemic really did a number on me. you know what, Michael, I'm so proud of you. You're finally doing something. Oh my God. Hurley made golf. That's so cute. But Michael, why are you with them? You don't deserve this. Go away. You jackass. This is the cutest thing, but fuck you, Michael. Fuck you for taking any joy away from anyone I'm with Hurley on this. So why are we all okay. Just going out in the open, when there's BOS monsters, polar bears. Just a question. Why are we wandering around so much? Uh, okay. Yes. H that's exactly right. Everyone's like let's survive here and whatever, but no, one's saying anything about mental health. So this is fantastic. Very creative. Oh, we have another name. Okay. Real bad. I'm very good with my hands. sound suggestive side also. What is this? Is that needle clean? Ma'am what are you doing? That's a journey needle. Is this safe? Why are Michael and Jack standing so close to each other? Also Jack, that scrub is looking and everyone's playing and so happy. I love this, but that's quite the clearing. I wonder I found it. You know, this guy's gotta go. He's playing golf while you worry about your damn rash. Oh, okay. He's gonna join them, but maybe, you know, chill out first. how did Russo move? Sayid where did he get a sedative? How is she so strong? You know what Danielle Bojo. Okay. So based on what she's saying, we're close to Tahiti. So we're somewhere between Tahiti and Australia, except she was on a ship. No plane crash. So where is this ship? And that's quite the shelter. Good job. But imagine being there and thinking it was temporary and then living there for two months. Well, for her 16 plus years, I'm sure CED is probably freaking the F out now. I mean, I would be what's the black rock. Who is them? What are they hearing? Am I having a stroke? No other people on the island, but you hear them? Am they whisper? This legit sounds like a horror film, but how come no one else has heard it. After two weeks of being here, I feel like they would not free Nadia. Their story really hurts me. Huh? Shannon. You're still alive. Still doing nothing. Haven't seen you in a while. Boon either. Why is everyone always carrying sticks? Is there anything else they can do? Who's watching the beach. If they all go watch Jack and whoever play golf and Sawyer is looking ho, although this interaction is kind of cute, he's kind of, he's quite the charmer, but also a Dick. So, I mean, in the game of kill, fuck Mary Jack Sawyer or Boone, we'll have to touch on that after are we, is Kate really saying she's an outcast. If everyone's trying to bone her man site is survivor. He is a clever man. I don't like the way that the music box stopped. When she said go, I have chills. I'm so confused. What does that sound? Is the monster back? Is it a bear? How many bears are there here? Is it a polar bear? Is it a normal bear? It's a normal bear. Black bear brown bear. I don't know. This episode is intense. Ma'am there are such things as monsters hashtag Michael's a monster. Just kidding. But actually there are such things as monsters, just ask the pilot from the pilot, but you can't he's dead. See, this is what I mean. If you're torturing someone. Which by the way is sight hurting Nadia. I have, we even seen that. I feel like, no. When do you stop? Apparently when it's been more than a month, please don't sh shoot her. Kate, why are you approaching everyone when everyone else is standing away, you can't join. There's a lineup, Michael, here we go again. You're such a Dick. Do you hate your kid or something like I'm so like you're an ass. I'm sorry for whatever Michael lover there is out there, but he's an ass hat. What a douche. So you want wall to cut the line, bad parenting. And instead of letting him take a swing on your turn to even try to make up for the fact that you left him alone, you're gonna take your turn and leave him yet again, super also, why do we keep leaving to go do shit by ourselves or leave people by themselves? So he is alone on the beach. Maybe I didn't count how many people were watching. And now we've left Claire at the caves by himself and we let a kid wander through the bad shit, scary jungle by themselves by Walt. Honestly, you're better out without him, but you'll die out there alone. So maybe you can come back. I'm really very impressed with C's survival skills. So how's he totally fine. Walking after his leg was all jacked up. Maybe we don't just point guns at each other. Okay. All of this is scaring me, you know? I'm glad he's not gonna kill her, but is this okay? Are you gonna be fucked after who's Omar to him again? How did Sied hurt you though? Danielle? Oh, man. It's empty. Oh, nevermind. It's not empty. The firing pin was removed. I don't know how guns work. Excuse me. You've shot Robert. Why? What? I thought you loved him. What was he sick with? What did you lose him to? She killed them multiple. You said that it killed them. Are you? It I'm so confused. Why can't you let,'em go, Danielle. Okay. You know, this just isn't right. Also that last message from Nadia is so sad. I mean, Zed, I don't know that you'll ever get off this island. And if it'll be because of their, he, their help, I guess your people, are you gonna bring Danielle back? Oh, nevermind. You just answered my question. He wants to get back to them after two days, has he sorted himself out? He's no longer gonna torture people. Is this enough time? What is he, um, watching for maybe instead of saying, I'm gonna shit, Danielle, you tell him what's up. So he's prepared. Cryptic messages and words help. No one. Alex is her child. That is another name and another sad story. You know what? Kate didn't cut. I'll take back that aunt negative 10. I gave her, this is cute Sawyer. He's trying. And Kate you're helping and Boone looks like everyone's getting points today except Locke. Cuz he's not there. oh, you know what? This isn't appropriate. But I mean, what's Walt supposed to do, considering his dad doesn't pay any attention to him did say not just climb a ladder, but before the stand up with Russo and now he needs to, uh, Walked with a crutch. Did he already have a crutch? I don't know. This episode is stress, so I'd go back to the beach. I can hear them get back to the beach. Apparently it's safer out there somewhere. Get outta the jungle user crutch. Get outta the jungle. They'll whispers there, here again.
Amanda:Another Sterling, uh, one.
Theresa:Yeah, this one was intense. I Sullivan who felt it? I did not know if I was who's Sullivan. Who
Amanda:Sullivan is the hypochondriac? Oh,
Theresa:didn't
Kip:care for him either. No, it just calmed down, sir. There was a few characters just randomly introduced city, which I guess, I think they would've been damned if they do damned if they don't, because there have probably been people saying at the time. No one it's like why even have all these extras and others, if you're not interact with them, but then it's like they do. And it's like, this is so
Amanda:random. I think it's also, sorry, go ahead. I was just
Theresa:gonna say, it just seems kind of like a lot of NA new names for one episode.
Amanda:I think there's a specific reason why there's more than one introduced at a time.
Kip:I do too. And I think maybe on spoiler island, we'll talk about
Amanda:it. Yes, yes. Perfect. The other thing I wanna dive into a little bit more on spoiler island, but I don't think is that crazy to say here? I think it's very sweet. That Hurley is concerned about everyone's mental health. In particular, if
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Kip:There's also other gifts like Amanda saying silly things that don't cut the
Amanda:episodes. And if that is an incentive enough, I don't know what is, I mean, there's a little tidbit
Theresa:on right now with her. There is a very breathy, a proclamation on our, uh, Instagram
Amanda:right now. So that's a great little synopsis though. Yeah. You raise a lot of excellent points as usual in that comedic way. Is
Theresa:it the kill? Fuck Mary.
Kip:I don't wanna talk about that. I'm afraid it's fair because I know
Theresa:my answers. I really just tell me after. Okay. I would like to know that'll be
Amanda:a new, a new kill fuck marry every week on or every month on the patron.
Kip:exactly be on our Patriot. If you wanna see,
Theresa:fuck. They look all delicious this episode
Kip:anyway. All right. So thank you very much, Theresa. I really enjoyed your stream of consciousness today. Thank you. Um, very intense. You could feel the stress in the episode, so that's a great segue to move on to our discussion of the episode.
Amanda:Okay. Episode nine solitary, great episode site centric, site centric. So we're getting another backstory for a very, I think probably a character that people were pretty invested in here in the backstory
Kip:for I think so. I think if you even take Dan's, um, hot takes into consideration, he thought SI's Baxter would be like the third or fourth mm-hmm mm-hmm so he, he, I mean, I think in general, people saw Sayid as someone that we would come to know real, real well. And he, we definitely do in this episode. I, I love this episode.
Theresa:I love it. This episode to me is very stressful.
Kip:And I mean, it's, it's funny. What, in your stream of consciousness saying, how far did he get when he is sitting on the beach? Cuz I was thinking that too. I'm like, I wonder like. If he is, if they're just around that bend, as I'm looking down the, at the coastline, cause he's just sitting there on the beach
Amanda:sort of. Well, Kate said specifically, he's only been gone two days,
Kip:right? That's true. Yeah. Only like that's a long time.
Amanda:Yeah. But it makes it more makes me question. Like how close have they been to Russo this whole time? Two days. And how does she not know? Like I don't, I maybe I'm just naive and I don't realize how much someone who has sight's background and physical ability could move in two days, but it just feels like she must have some inkling that they're there if it's only two days by walking. Yeah.
Theresa:But I think at the same time, we're also assuming that it's like a straight beach path, right. Like he could have the beach could curve around and he could have, you know, gone a corner and. I guess, I guess. And she's got like a, I don't know if it's like
Kip:underground or her bunker was interesting, like it's in the trees, like it's under trees, but it looks like it's in the trees. Like,
Theresa:yeah, I don't really cuz he
Kip:had to climb out. Yeah. I wanted to like, I, I wanna see a floor plant of that
Theresa:place. And how did, how did they build in?
Kip:Well, they were there for two months before. Yeah.
Theresa:But I mean, how many people were, I mean, I guess we don't know how many people in yeah. But that's very elaborate. Like did they dig it out?
Kip:Like how I, I remember Sayid finding the cable as like, almost like a drop mic moment for me too originally watching this mm-hmm I thought it was just like such a simple small thing, but yet it could mean so many yeah. Huge things. And I actually, again, sort of feeling like things just blend together. I thought that was much further away than this episode.
Amanda:Me too. And it's the same with the backstory. I keep saying like. I thought this, you didn't find this out in their backstory forever. Mm-hmm but when you think about there's 14 ish, right? Therea 14 main characters. Mm-hmm main characters. Yeah. Mm-hmm so 25 episodes season, it would take more than half the season to get to everyone. And if they're gonna do more, which they do, how many can they really do for each character? So it, it does make sense when you think about it. And when you think of all the stuff that happens, but I also am with you. I thought that a lot of this stuff was like way in the future. Mm-hmm in our journey. Yeah.
Kip:And, and I think though it also just, there's like another thing in this episode, another character that gets introduced. again, thought that was a lot further away. And it made me think of next week's episode, which horrifying.
Amanda:Yeah. Next week episode is, is quite dramatic.
Theresa:Mm-hmm I kind just had a light bulb moment putting that together.
Amanda:Mm-hmm but yeah, so it starts out though, kind of, you know, sad sight, solemnly exploring, and then we kind of cut to like a kind of funny moment between Jack and Sawyer and Jack's kind of checking in on him and kind of says to him, like, no one else wants to be around you, dude.
Theresa:That was mean, but,
Kip:but it's true though. It is.
Theresa:And like I said, like Sawyer wasn't exactly helping anything by
Kip:no, he, in that moment, I mean, of course we got, we got the great Dr. Quinn quote, which I loved
Amanda:it's so funny,
Kip:got so many ways. He's got some good ones, but, um, you know, and just like the whole, when Jack says no one wants anything to do with you. And so well, she does. Oh. I was like oh's for fucks
Theresa:sake. Like I know mm-hmm and then he gets mad and stump.
Kip:So I know like, so over the top, dramatic playing your own bandages, relax, Jack, and then goes to talk to her.
Amanda:Yep. Yeah. I, I, I'm already annoyed with this like kind of back and forth. Like, I don't even know, like cat fight, pissing contest over her. Like, it's ridiculous. Like, you know, guys know I'm not a big Kate apologi , but she's still a human being. And maybe we let her have some say in this, you Jack asses.
Kip:Well, here's a thing and this isn't, I know this it's a sight episode, but it just made me think that I know you also hate Evangelina, but I do remember her saying something which made kind of sense in that. she really did feel like the character was there in a way, just to be something for, to cause like friction with Jack and Soyer and then between other men as well. Mm-hmm mm-hmm and I, it kind of became really evident to me that it's like, maybe her character's really not written that well when the, the kiss in last week's episode with Sawyer and it's just like, it just felt so. Fantasized a win away, like a weird male fantasy, like I'm tortured. I'm gonna have this make out session with this hot girl.
Amanda:I know it was like total pandering to yeah. This like 18 to 34 male audience that they're always trying to get. Exactly. Yeah. I didn't like that.
Kip:Yeah. So, but anyway, enough about enough about Kate.
Amanda:I, well, the one thing I do have to say though, is I do, like when she's talking to Jack there and they're talking about how Sayid left and she's kinda like, well, he had to leave, like he felt he had to leave after what happened. And Jack's like, what was an accident? And as he's saying that I'm about to explode. Yeah. And be like, it wasn't an accident that you tortured him, you guys. And so, and I love that. She was like, well, that's what happens when you torture people or whatever she said. And I'm so happy. She called him out for that because agreed. She clearly has sympathy for Sayid and him having left and want that to happen. But she acknowledges that what they did was very wrong. I'm not an accident.
Kip:Exactly. That was so wrong of, of Jack to say, like, he's just delusional at this point, trying to justify. And I think maybe that Sawyer did have some, maybe he was right a little bit about Jack coming there to like help him sleep better at night. Cuz clearly he's repressing what actually happened.
Amanda:Like the, it may have been an accident that he actually stabbed him, but they were only in that fight because of what he was they were doing. Right. Yeah. So just ridiculous. And I, I, yeah, like I'll always be fair. I'll always give a fair assessment. I thought she was great in that moment. That was the right thing to do. I love that. She called him out for that. Yeah. So yay. Kate, you did one good thing. This whole series. She did two good things. What was the second? Oh right at the end. Okay. We'll get to end, but okay. Fine. Two good things.
Kip:Okay. Yeah. so what happens next? Is it the hypochondriac or are we back with Sied?
Amanda:I don't remember exactly, but I do remember thinking that it was a bit before we got a flashback in this one.
Kip:Yeah. I, I remember thinking too, like, actually, I don't think we get one until he is hanging right from the tree mm-hmm . Um, but before that, I think we do meet, uh,
Amanda:what's his name? Sullivan Sullivan Sullivan. The hypochondriac.
Kip:Yeah. Which I first, like, who is this guy? And then I guess it makes sense. You gotta at least acknowledge some of the other castaways and
Theresa:the other issues that they're having, as you hear Shannon in the background saying, Ew, get him out of there.
Kip:Okay. I have an interesting story about that. Do you know what, do you know what that's about the
Theresa:showering and someone was in the drinking water.
Kip:Yeah, I guess who it was Vincent. So there was supposed to be a scene where Vincent is drinking from the, the water. And Shannon gets all pissed off because she's like, oh, that's so gross. And then that's supposed to start the argument when Hurley comes back and says, oh, they're just fighting again. Mm-hmm and then it's Vincent supposed to jump in the pond. And that's when she says, oh, get 'em out of there. And then she's like, I'll grossed out, which then Michael, like, get your dog outta there, Walt. And then that encourages him to sort of create this design for a shower.
Theresa:Mm. It is a good idea. Oh my God, that means that he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. I need to talk a point.
Amanda:No, you don't. I think he'll probably still come out really on the bottom, so I don't think we need, need to do that plus that didn't make it in. So the can of the show, we don't know
Theresa:exactly. So he just did it outta the good as it was already heard a problem and decided to fix it. Yeah. For the first time.
Amanda:so then we do get, so we kind of, we're kind of seeing, you know, it's, it's, it's supposed to be, I think, illustrating to us that there's still a lot of tensions. Yeah. Still a lot of little like microcosm problems going on and Jack's very focused on fixing. Yeah. As he always is. And you know, it kind of sparks something. Harley's kind of trying to, I think, say like, like it's not just about surviving, right? Like we, like, what's the point of surviving if they're gonna essentially go nuts. Right. If they're just gonna attack each
Theresa:other, killing each other, there's more to surviving than the physical, right. Like, I mean, look at Walt, right? Like he's again, I don't know. I say nine, 12. I don't know. He's he's clearly bored out of his mind. Like how in, in, you know, normal circumstances, I'm sure he'd read a book or go outside and play like, what's he gonna play with out there in like the smoke monster? Well,
Kip:that's the thing like was like, go, go find something to keep you occupied. What's he gonna find like, what is there help him?
Amanda:Yeah. And, and I honestly thought it was a little irresponsible of him to say that because it's like, you're essentially telling him to go make himself useful or find something to do in a really terrifying, unknown environment. Mm-hmm yeah. Like maybe you should say maybe you, I think a good parent would find him some things to work on. So he didn't feel the need to wander into the jungle and play with knives. I think that's
Kip:the other thing. Like every time he does this, instead of saying, why don't you help me? Why don't we do this together? It's like, just get lost. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm busy
Amanda:fuck off. And I do think there's a level of that, that he's just not used to being a parent, but no, I suppose,
Theresa:but also like you can't throw around the father card and then like, not do anything. Like I know you're not used to being a parent, but you're on an island. You have nothing else really to do, as you just said. So why don't you make yourself useful in your son's life? I'm just saying like, that's kind of ridiculous. All Walt wanted to do was take his dog to the beach. You could have walked him there and back, and then worked on your drawing. it wouldn't have taken more than I'm guessing.
Kip:No, it's several hours. Three,
Theresa:four hours. Didn't they say he was only a few miles. I don't know how long a mile I think takes a
Kip:few hours to walk. I don't know.
Amanda:Lost, lost, bringing out daddy issues since 2004.
Theresa:I'm just saying that like all the kid wanted to. Was go to the beach with his dog and then he says, go find something to do. Is that not what he was gonna go? Like I don't really understand like what the problem is then like you, him to go do something. He wants to do something you're saying no, like what's he gonna do then? Yeah. Yeah.
Amanda:So we do get back to Sayid he's now hanging from a tree, found himself twice. Assaulted in what? Like three episodes.
Theresa:Yeah. He's really getting the brunt of it.
Kip:Yeah. And like, to your point there about the, the, um, Jimmy, wait, what do you, those called sticky pots. Sticky miny. Jimmy's Jimmy, those traps,
Theresa:boob
Amanda:traps, sticky Jimmy. Oh, the, um, the, um, boob traps trip choir, otherwise known as sticky Jimmys. the
Kip:boob trap trip choirs. Yes. I think, yeah, like clearly Russo, she has got a lot of time. She's been here for a long time. So clearly she's trying to catch these people who. As we find out at the end took her child. Yeah. Right. We do find that out at the
Amanda:end. Right. Well, it's alluded to that. She had a child and right. Mm-hmm
Kip:yeah. Whereas Alex, she's asking, where is Alex? Alex was my child. Yeah. So
Amanda:yeah. You know, it's, it's kind of an interesting, and I, I don't know if they did this on purpose or it's just a coincidence, but I feel like everything's on purpose. Mm-hmm the, the kind of corresponding. Like storylines in this are, you know, what can hap, like, Hurly worried about them going crazy and being alone and not having fun and not kind of giving themselves like a bit of a norm normal life mm-hmm And it's contrasted to what we see could happen to someone if they're alone on that island for 16 years. Right. Because she's very capable, she's surviving. Yeah. But she is not thriving. No, exactly. And she's got issues and she's clearly very lonely and, and, and traumatized, and
Kip:her character was introduced. So amazingly, like she could have so easily just been this like psycho crazy woman. Mm-hmm but. the fact that they still gave her some like depth and some warmth. And like, you felt sorry for her, even though she was about what she does, torture CED also Sayid being the torturey this episode and the torture last episode. Yeah. Interesting on the torture in
Amanda:his flash box. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm right. And, and just kind of experiencing that. I mean, I, I don't, I'm not saying that it's okay for what she's doing to him, but if that's what she's been living with and she thinks she's finally caught one of the people she's been hearing in her mind or in her voice or ear for yeah. 16 years, then it makes sense. I actually think she comes around to the idea that it might not be him actually quite quickly.
Kip:Yeah, exactly. Also Theresa. Um, I'm pretty sure there's. Many many reports and studies that torture doesn't in fact work that
Theresa:well. Okay. Cause yeah, I was just like, he just kept punching that guy in the face or whatever, and then he he's like, he didn't do it. And I was like, how do you know that?
Amanda:I think the idea is not that in any way, do I condone or support this in any way? But I think the idea is that certain people who do still think it does have some sort of use is that they can start to get so good at it that they know the difference between like, when he said like, he's not gonna tell me anything. He learns like people's limits and, and what they'll kind of do in their tells and their ticks and stuff. Mm-hmm is it, is that a science? Absolutely not. And it's why it's such a ridiculous practice because you torture someone long enough. They'll tell you whatever they wanna hear, whether it's real.
Kip:Yeah, exactly. But yeah. Uh, so yeah, decides being tortured and like she has these batteries. Where are these just leftovers? Like I wonder how long she's been waiting to electrocute someone.
Amanda:I, yeah, I was a little dubious about her supplies
Theresa:I was, yeah. And like, so the cable I'm guessing is like hers.
Kip:No, I don't think so. No, because she said the transmission is coming from the tower, which quote unquote they control now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I'm assuming that cable has some thing to do with that. Yeah. She,
Theresa:she definitely had like a lot of
Kip:stuff. She dropped so many tidbits. Mm-hmm in her, in everything. She said there was a little nugget of, a lot of questions to ask. So like, you, you kind of went, went over some of them, like, what is the black rock? I mean, we do find that out. Mm-hmm who are the others? We do find that. things like they control the tower. Okay. Well where's this tower and why can't the people on the beach? See it, like, how big is this island? Mm-hmm and then of course SI finds the maps, takes the map. So like, there are so many little nuggets that she drops. Yeah. It's, uh, it's really
Amanda:impressive, but that's more what I was like freaking out about. Yeah. Because I already was like, okay. We found out who sent the transmission and we meet Russo mm-hmm way earlier than I thought, but more. So we find out all these little tidbits way faster and, and like on top of one, another more than I remember
Kip:mm-hmm Yeah. And I, and I'm trying to remind myself that, like, some of these don't get explained until like the
Amanda:sixth season sixth. Yeah. We were talking about that on the break about the black rock, for example.
Kip:Yeah. And it's like, so they drop this nugget and by season six, you're just like, holy shit. That's what she talked about in like the ninth episode. and probably don't hear of it since. Yeah. Like it's crazy.
Amanda:But then yes, something like this, you find out very fast. So, yeah. I, I love that though, because you never know, you're always on kind of your toes with, when are we gonna find, are we gonna get an answer? When are we gonna get an answer? Isn't gonna be next episode or in two seasons
Kip:or five. And that's what I, I, like we mentioned it briefly, but that's what, like, they did answer this. In nine episodes and you're right. It makes you question it like, okay, so we're gonna start getting answers. Mm-hmm we're gonna start getting answers. And then they do sort of string along, like, nah, but they like, they there's for every, an question that gets answered, they ask like six more questions mm-hmm right. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, you get some answers, but then you're left with so many more things that you wanna find out. So I think we should, I don't know. Who do you guys think? Should we just talk SED for a bit and then talk? Yeah, I think
Amanda:especially cuz I don't know that the stuff on, I love the like group stuff, but I don't know. It's overly consequential too.
Kip:No. Um, yeah, let's let's let's dosed and then we'll go to the, um, the golf storyline, but um, the scenes with Russo cut in just spliced with his backstory, we meet Nadia childhood friend who had a crush on him because she pushed him in the mud. Mm-hmm
Theresa:cute. That's cute. Until you find out that he's gonna torture her and then
Kip:it's not so cute. And she's been tortured many times before. Yeah. So she's some
Amanda:sort of radical. I was gonna say, that's I, I wasn't really clear on what they thought she, but yeah, that she's some sort of, kind of radicalized
Kip:mm-hmm yeah, I think doesn't he ask her something like, just confirm, cuz at some point he shows her these pictures just confirm which one of these planted the bomb or something like that. It's some kind of generic question and I think, yeah, we're supposed to be like to believe she's a radical, maybe mm-hmm . Knowledgeable about these terror groups that they're fighting, but, um, he calls
Amanda:her a traitor to the country. Mm-hmm yeah. It's um, interesting because, you know, we see him kind of struggle obviously with what he's supposed to do when he kind of knows someone a bit. And he's kind of confronted with this idea by someone who, you know, I wouldn't say they have the greatest strongest relationship, but he must trust her on some level. And he's kind of confronted with this idea, cuz she kind of says like these are the people you're working for. Right? Like I've been tortured, I've look at the marks of my body. Mm-hmm this is what your people are. Your people, the people you work with are doing to me, your friends. And I think it's probably difficult because he's clearly very entrenched. Um, that person that he talks to at the beginning is his, they seem friendly. Mm-hmm
Kip:yeah. And he's um, His superior at the moment they have this conversation about Sayid getting some sort of promotion mm-hmm and it's alluded to that soon. Sayid will be this guy's boss. Mm-hmm mm-hmm . And so, yeah, like he's very, like I say, entrenched in the system of the revolutionary guard and, and clearly has, this has been his life.
Amanda:Yeah. Mm-hmm and so I think it's always difficult when, you know, you kinda get this blast in the past. It's also kinda reminding you like this isn't everything, this isn't all there is to this. And like this, this doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing. Mm-hmm um, and, and that clearly has an effect on
Kip:him. Absolutely. Because he really starts to tone down the torture. Although like you say, we don't see it. We're led to believe that he's hurting her or Tor torturing her. She says hurting mm-hmm , uh, very sad,
Theresa:but he's also like feeding her. So it's like, yeah, I don't know what the situation is, but he clearly cares a lot about her, cuz he's not doesn't look like he's.
Kip:Beating her. And I mean, it's sort of alluded to that. He's taking longer with her than with anybody else. Yeah, because he's the, his boss or whatever says it's been over a month, you've had enough time. She's not gonna give us anything. It's time to kill her. Mm-hmm , you know, and that sort of breaks sighted out of this. I don't know what he was thinking. He was just gonna like, keep her safe in that hole for the rest of, until he figured something else out and just feed her bread. Like, but it sort of like broke him out of this weird fantasy that he was helping her. And he's like, oh shit. It's about to get real. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, I do know why I was gonna say, I don't know why he doesn't just go with her, but then he says, cuz my family's here and they'll kill them. Mm-hmm mm-hmm but um, yeah, he Conco his plan essentially just shoots Omar shoots himself and then tells Nadia to take off. She writes that message on, on the back of the picture, which is the message that he then reads to Russo mm-hmm . Um, but okay. Russo asks him to fix her music box. No, he offers to fix it in exchange for essentially like giving. I actually, I think he just offers as a way to like build a relationship.
Theresa:Yeah. Cuz it's clear that she's like very lonely. Oh yeah. Um, because even when like, like I kind of mentioned, like she's like touching him, I, you know, and she's like kind of keeping this conversation. She's very all over him, but then Kate. So like I kind of get it though, cuz like, remember when we were in, in like the beginning of the, um, The situation of 2020 Um, yes, so I lived by myself and so that was two months of me not getting more than six feet from someone and not touching another human being. And like, I'm not a big hugger, not a big toucher, but I remember the minute I could, like, even, I think we had a barbecue once and like everybody, you know, everybody has a partner, but me, so everybody's kind of coupled off. And I remember us like sanitizing our hands so that I could like hold hands with someone so that I could at least get like physical contact. So if that's how I was after two months and I had, you know, FaceTime and house party, I can't imagine going 16 years without any kind of physical contact, not talking to anyone. Like I'm surprised she's as sane as she is, to be honest.
Amanda:Yeah. That's what I was saying also. Who remembers house party? I was
Kip:just thinking that people like that, what happened to house party?
Amanda:House party was a very specific
Theresa:moment
Kip:in time. No kidding. Yeah. You guys want a house party after, but yeah, no, Russo definitely like you say much more coherent than possibly should have been mm-hmm but she's been very, um, focused on getting Alex back or finding out where Alex is. Mm-hmm so it's crazy as she's been, she's had a, she's had a purpose. Yeah, that's
Theresa:true. And that, and she's out there setting drops. Yeah, no kidding. And they're elaborate. Mm-hmm cause like,
Kip:I mean, it's got like two stages.
Theresa:Exactly. If you don't trip on that, if you don't, uh, trigger that wire step over it and you're caught anyway,
Kip:I wonder what it was that he's stepped on that triggered the hoop hoop loop, the hoop loop, like the, the loop that grabbed his feet.
Theresa:Didn't it just grab his feet, like didn't he step on it?
Kip:Yeah. But what would something would have to trigger it to like zip out? Yeah, I see what you're saying. Like what could it have been. I don't, I don't, I'm not a booby trapper.
Theresa:No, me neither. Or what is
Amanda:it? Slimy gym or
Theresa:slimy gym or slim gyms. J gym. Jimmy gyms.
Kip:oh, yes.
Theresa:Yeah. He, then he fixes it. Her he's. Oh, that was beautiful. But then he also keeps a tool mm-hmm
Amanda:mm-hmm well, he's, he's he's if he's not anything it's resourceful or whatever, he's very resourceful.
Theresa:And he's like pretty good at thinking on his
Amanda:feet. Like, yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed that kinda I, I liked there back and forth. Um, I do think he was kind of getting through to her because I think at the end of the day, torture aside, he's an intelligence officer. You see a lot more of his backstory later and kind of what he does after. He's a good reader of people. Mm-hmm , mm-hmm right. And, and he, he kind of gotta read on her and how to kind of get through to her. And he does to a degree and works at his benefit.
Kip:So, yeah, exactly. And I mean, he kind of got saved by the bear. Or what we're assume is a bear. She says, if we're lucky, it's just one of the bears. Yeah. Which she's kind of conflicted against herself. Cause she says, if we're lucky, it's just one of the bears. Then he says it could be the monster. There's no such thing as monsters. What else would it be? Yeah. Yeah. So why would she say if we're lucky, it's just one of the bears. So either she's just being crazy Russo, unless she thinks it's the others. Oh, that's true. She could think it's the others. Yeah. Just to kind of wrap up how the Sied Russo story goes. I mean, it was pivotal because we learn about the others. We hear the others for the very first time we hear all these nuggets of information that are gonna come to light at some point. and she also ends up playing a very, um, huge role in the future of, of the lost show. So it was pivotal for that sense. And I, I think the whispers you hear at the end, um, set up this mystery that does get answered. It does get answered. Mm-hmm but, um, it's really. Spooky
Amanda:it is spooky. And it's also, again, interesting to me like where this is happening versus where our main crew is. Like, why, how far are they away from like Jack and them right now? Because how is are these, this others, these whispers,
Kip:but it, it could be, I mean, two days is a long time. Mm-hmm to walk,
Theresa:I guess it just pretty
Kip:fit. And I mean, when you're surrounded by dense jungle, I think it, it is easier to stay hidden, be
Amanda:isolated, I guess it just, I really have a hard time wrapping my head around this idea that they can. But I just wanna say, oh, oh, sorry, go ahead. I was gonna say quickly. I also just think it's very interesting that it's Sied that's on this kind of like mini journey, because I think Sayid is the most capable of receiving this information. Mm-hmm I think if you had Jack with Russo, oh God, that would've gone completely differently. And we would know nothing about what's going on. like, that's
Kip:a good, that's a good question or a good thing to point out because each character would take it very differently. C's pragmatical and practical, but he is also, um,
Amanda:like good at gathering information.
Kip:That's true. Yeah, exactly. So how do you think, okay, so soy or Jack, he probably would just be like, you're insane. You're crazy.
Amanda:I'm and she, he would've just fought with her the whole time. Yeah. Mm-hmm yeah. I think that Kate would've been out of there five seconds after she got there. Cause she's like a little monkey and she would've found a way out there. That's true. And we would know nothing. Yeah. I think Sawyer probably would've been murdered. yeah. I don't think he would. It's just a good person. Like he's so capable, but he's also yeah. Pragmatic, like you said, mm-hmm and, and he's, he's able to accept. That there is more going on. I also than
Theresa:what is, I'm sorry. No, what? Sorry. Um, I also think that he needed to go on this two day thing, because if we remember from before, like his temper was like getting up there. Yeah. Like with the water and then with the whole Soyer thing, like he was just snapping kind of like left and right. So now that he had, he's had time to like, kind of reflect on what he's been doing. Um, I think that he is able to take it a little bit better. I think that if it had been like, even two days ago, he would've probably like flipped out and started yelling or something like that. Cuz I mean, he was yelling about water. Imagine yelling about being electrocuted. Well
Kip:then I, I mean it did answer. She found out the answer to a mystery that he was the one that broke because of say they were able to hear the transmission in the first place mm-hmm and now it's almost like cathartic for him to be the one to see through. But quote unquote source, we know it's her. We don't know where it's technically coming from yet, but. but yeah, so he has a bit of closure and now can sort of move on from this angry SED. And my shit's not working. Everyone's interfering. No, one's doing anything good. And so you get, it's almost like a soy or not Soyer SEDS, like second act in the season.
Amanda:Yeah. Mm-hmm, , it's kind of his pathway to redemption a little bit. Yeah. And he can return. I think the other thing too is I think he was gonna have a hard time returning. Yeah. And I think if he can go back to them with this, whether or not it's the reality, I think he's gonna personally feel like he's now allowed to return. He's allowing himself yeah. To return because he left after causing turmoil and, and, uh, sorrow and trauma. And he's gonna return with something that could hopefully help them. Yeah. He's
Kip:bringing it back something valuable. So it's like for him, like you say, he feels he's now allowed to come back. Mm-hmm so I, I got this book called the unofficial guide, finding lost by Nikki Stafford. Um, she does an episode by episode sort of write up. And in this book, she's actually got the solitary whisper transcript from RV Tage and pen yours. So these are what the whispers say. Lucky, the man can't run. He's a crash survivor. Why only isolate him? I said, we do. He's coming click. You have no idea how he got here right here. He's right behind me. It's okay. Who cares? Help him when crash survivor, why only isolate him standing orders go. You have no idea. He's coming security issue. You have no idea how we got here. Just skip it.
Theresa:that's
Amanda:terrifying. I have chills I'm uncomfortable. And, and having seen the whole series, I still find the whispers to be like problematic. like, and completely hon honestly unnecessary. Like this is just horrifying to do to people. Like it does sound very scary, but very interesting. And yeah, and I, I remember reading that book, that two fans just like did that. They isolated the sound with technology and stuff. So a good on them. Yes. Thank you. Terrifying. mm-hmm and see, I'm glad that they actually did something and it wasn't just like,
Kip:yeah, exactly. Right. So you gotta wonder, like, are half of these, anything meaningful and half just random or they all just random and with one or two meaningful things in there who knows maybe we'll find out. Maybe we will. So let's go back
Theresa:to wait. One thing I think we skirted over was that Russo killed them.
Kip:Mmm, the
Amanda:sickness mm-hmm she? Yeah. Talks about the mean carriers. Yeah.
Theresa:Mm-hmm and her killing her partner. Yeah.
Amanda:And what what's that about? Is that something, or is it just her being crazy? Right. We don't know. Yeah. But it, you know, it kind of adds the mystery of her and the danger, like, is she dangerous? Is she CRA crazy? I hate using that term, but is she, you know, quote unquote crazy. Yeah. Is she right? like, is she right about everything? Is she the most sane on the island so far? Yeah. You know, you, you, you, like you said, you answer one question that's who it was, but we ask 12 more questions. Exactly.
Kip:I mean, that's why I think her as a character and as a performance was so well done because she plays each level. Like you say, quote, unquote, crazy where maybe we'll say unstable, um, Just enough mixed in with feelings of she's actually being reasonable and, and truthful that you don't know what to believe. Like it's not, it's not easy just to write her off as being, oh, she's just gone crazy as being in the island by herself
Amanda:this whole time. And exactly, you kind of touched on it too. She's you can't write her off, so you can't write off what she's saying. And he knows that that's why he's taking her maps and he's taking, because there is something there and she has been able to keep herself alive all this time. So yeah, totally. She's capable and she's intelligent and she's, um, got good Lance things and stuff. So she must have some knowledge and experience with what's going on and it could be very valuable to them. And I like that he recognizes that. And doesn't just, cause I think some of the other ones would have just been like, get me outta here.
Kip:Yeah. A hundred percent. Exactly.
Theresa:And he does say at one point he's like, I think you've been alone for a long time. And I think at the end, when he like hears the whispers, he's like. Okay. Like, she's not insane. Like I'm hearing them too, and I'm not crazy. Mm-hmm
Amanda:I haven't been here 16 years. I've never even here 16
Theresa:days. Yeah. And he, and he did say the only person he could trust was himself. Yeah. Right. So it's like, oh,
Amanda:so it's very interesting because we have, I think one of the heaviest, um, like all the, all the flashbacks have their moments. And, but I think obviously the heaviest flashbacks, I would say so far in terms of what his previous life has entailed. Yeah. And the issues with Nadia. And then we have a very serious, terrifying experience he has with Russo. But I, and I don't know if again, this was on purpose or not, but they've decided to add, I think the most levity we've really seen in the show so far has kind of a counter to that.
Kip:It had to have been on purpose because it acts as the perfect counter. Yeah. I think more, would've just been like way too much. Yeah. It would've
Amanda:been like disingenuous.
Kip:Yeah. I mean, and, and it, it does feel genuine in that. It's what Dave 12 on the island now, or 12 and 13. So it's like been basically two weeks and really comes to the decision and the conclusion that, yeah, we can't just fix each other up and move on. We have to find an outlet or we will just go crazy. Mm-hmm and he finds, um, set of golf clubs
Amanda:with the help of Ethan. Ethan is a new character, lost new
Kip:hunting partner by the, they say we're gonna find rabbit tracks and other rodents I don't think rabbits are rodents.
Theresa:Yeah. I didn't think so either.
Amanda:That's so offended by that I started gobbing his rabbits are delightful. yeah. So then he decides he's he's you know, and people are doing their thing. Michael's apparently designing showers. Jack's doing his doctoring thing. Son is clearly very much his assistant now. Yeah. It's really cute. And uh, he's like, you know what? Fuck you guys. I'm gonna do my own thing too. And he creates this golf course and brings them out. And at first Jack and Michael and even Charlie to a degree are kind of shitting on it a little bit. Let they eventually get into it. Michael,
Kip:I'd say him and Jack were equally. No, Michael was the worst. Okay. Mm-hmm but yeah, it was, it was, it was a good moment. And, um, there's definitely gonna be some spoiler island. Talk about that. Yeah, definitely. But, um, but it led
Amanda:to a few, even more cute moments. So first of all, it's just cute. It's nice to see them kind of cut and loose if you yeah. And just being goofy and having fun. um, plus, you know, we don't get Jack out in the open that often the sunlight was really doing it for him. So I think we all benefited ways uh, but we get a few cute little things. Like, I really like when Boone goes to kind of tell Shannon like, oh, here there's golf course. We need to go check it out and then Sawyers or Kate's like, Jack's playing golf. I what, and then Soyer's kinda like a doctor playing golf. What's next donut or a copy, a donut. Like that was funny. It's funny. Yeah,
Kip:it was. And Kate with those cargo pants
Theresa:again,
Amanda:I know her outfit
Theresa:is why so terrible. They're very practical. She can put things in them. What's
Kip:she putting in
Amanda:those pockets? Bananas
Theresa:sticks. Mangoes.
Amanda:I hate her outfit in general. I also hate that like tiny little. T-shirt thing she's always in that. I know I hate it. Yeah. Is she well,
Kip:yeah, for a while she's episode and the next, but yeah. So no, it, it was cute. Cuz then everyone on the beaches, like kind of excited about something they're like, oh my God, we gotta go check this out. It was pretty funny. And all of a sudden there was a crowd, including hypo Conac guy who comes up, looking for Jack thinking, he's gonna, he's got more questions. And then it's like the perfect example of why this was needed. Mm-hmm because he comes up being like, Hey, my rash is spreading. Am I like, I need to know like what this is or are you guys playing golf
Amanda:and can I play? And then he is done. Right? Yeah. Mm-hmm and I think that's exactly. And that's kind of what head spurted on too, right? Mm-hmm because Jack says like, you need to stop thinking about it or whatever. And her was like,
Kip:how's oh yeah. I loved when Jack said, um, it could be worse. It could be worse and hers, like how I love that because yeah, of course it could be worse, but I mean, it's pretty damn bad.
Amanda:Yeah. The, it could be worse that they could all be dead. Yeah. Mm-hmm course, but like for being alive, it's pretty bad. Like exactly. Well, yeah,
Theresa:they're probably so bored too. Like you have nothing else, but to think about your like stress
Amanda:mm-hmm so yeah. And then before kind of Kate goes to watch her and her, her, and so I have this like kind of cute little back and forth about how no one wants him around. And she, she kind of says like, you know, from one outcast to another, you need to make more of an effort and you kind of expect him to kind of roll that away and just kind of be like, yeah, gro
Theresa:cheat still would we call her an outcast?
Kip:That's what I was wondering. Like, but is she thinking more in terms of her whole life, her whole
Theresa:life? I think so. I think so. I'd like to think so, because at this point, like she's got everybody, yeah. One would argue
Amanda:she's not enough of an outcast
Kip:oh my God. One would, yes.
Amanda:That perhaps she should be more isolated from the group and perhaps no one should speak to her yet. She becomes the main love and trust for two hots. Life's so unfair. I
Theresa:also wonder, like, how does Hurley feel knowing that like she has a mugshot and now we're just like, eh, this
Amanda:is fine. Uh, well, I don't think much bothers
Kip:Hurley, but yeah, he seems to get over everything pretty quick. He's pretty chill. He's a very sweet guy. So you see the whole crowd and they're taking action or bets. Jack's putt who says it makes the initial bet, but
Amanda:it's, I think it's Hurley maybe, or Charlie, Charlie, I
Kip:think. And then they Boone Boone bets and yeah. So it was good. And then that's when Sawyer comes out and it's like, okay, soy is gonna make an effort.
Amanda:And it was, it was kind of awkward cuz like, you know, that took a lot for him to do. Yeah, totally. He does. And he just walks up, you know what I, I was really it's sound so freaking stupid, but I was really proud of him in that moment. because you know what, it takes guts to walk up to a group of like, that's a huge group of people and they're all watching the like rock star. Yeah. And you're already uncomfortable and you, like, I could do, I could feel how much anxiety that must have caused him. And he walked up to them and he just, and then it looks like everyone's gonna shut him down. He's gonna walk away. And then Kate's like, I'll take that action or whatever. And then boot gets in
Theresa:on it. And everybody starts to get in. I liked when
Kip:Shannon was like, basically says like you just bet. Against yourself in a way mm-hmm but I don't
Amanda:think that's accurate.
Kip:Cause he bet I don't actually even remember what the bet was that he is gonna get it or miss it. Right. And Boone, I don't know which way he bets, but he bets against himself and she's like, well, we need the sunscreen dumb ass. Like
Theresa:yeah, true. Because she's got, she gots some, she's a little red on the shoulders, but it's
Kip:kind of funny that Sawyer comes and Barts like, or not barters. Uses his hoard to make bets with now.
Theresa:I mean, that's kind of smart, cuz this was like $10 of like, what do you mean $10 here?
Amanda:And I think someone yelled at they're like you don't I cash. Yeah, exactly. But no, that was, that was a cute little, it
Theresa:was such a feel good moment. Like even as we talk about it, I've like got this smile on my face cuz there's like his little dimples and he's just one, like I got two things of sunscreen and a flashlight.
Amanda:Yeah. It was really, I really enjoyed that. And it was just a nice kind of, you know, last week's episode with him and Kate and Jack were so heavy mm-hmm so it kind of had end like the end boon too, right? Yeah. Like, cause he beat up Boone like those four to kind of be, yeah, it was very nice. And then, so it's just, it's kind of a nice counterbalance to the way we left them last episode. Yeah. And then obviously a good counterbalance in general to the, the heaviness of mm-hmm
Theresa:Sayid's storyline. Cause even Jack is smiling. Yeah. And that was a big, that's just very rare. Yeah. He does not smile. He's usually. Very angry or jealous, and then we have, um, Locke throwing knives. Oh, I
Kip:forgot about that already. Yeah. Creepy again. And
Theresa:then Wal wants to join in and he's, I guess it's not
Kip:creepy, but it's creepy, but I mean, like not really. I mean, it's, he's a hunter, I guess he's gotta keep up his skills, but it was good intentional moment to show that Locke's kind of, not really with the group mm-hmm and it's almost like it's purposefully setting him up as an actual outcast. Yeah. Whereas Kate and Sawyer can argue that they're outcasts because people don't like them and that they can be jerks or whatever, but, um, Locke is legitimately just staying away from people, focusing on. Growing knives. Jobs. Yeah.
Theresa:Like getting up hunting and yeah. Practicing hunting. And then last time I think he was like whittling when he was kind of spurring sight on.
Kip:Yeah. So, I mean, it was, um, a good moment and Walt kind of walks in and, you know, that's setting up for a disaster moment. I'm sure Michael's getting yell some more. I don't know. I'm sure he's gonna be just fine with it. Michael's always just
Theresa:fine with everything. He's immediately just gonna fly off the handle.
Kip:And then at the very end, I mean, we already talked about Sayid the whispers, but that's how the episode ends is Sayid being surrounded by the whispers. Mm-hmm, very disorienting way. Mm-hmm I love this episode.
Amanda:I love it. Like I said, in me, we'll do our ratings at the end, but yeah, I think 8.5 is criminal. I think it's I agree too low. Yeah. It's masterfully acted.
Theresa:Yeah. I think it was done really well. I just think like, maybe it's low because it's so. stressful, not stressful, stressful, not stressful, but I think that's good
Kip:though. I, to me that makes like a good,
Theresa:it made the stress worse. Like, as I was watching, like I could not write fast enough because I was like, oh, they're so cute. Oh my God. Oh my God.
Kip:Oh. I mean, for your purposes of writing a journal, essentially, they're watching it be a little too much, but
Theresa:could not take it. And that's why there's, as I was talking, I'm like, oh my God, this is taking forever. And it's because every like 30 seconds, I was like, oh my God. Oh, oh my God.
Kip:So that's actually a good segue too. Let's hear how this episode, how the characters ranked is Michael. Finally gonna make his way outta the bottom. No, the, uh, okay, here we go.
Amanda:No, no, I think he was gonna say that there was gonna be some lead up and there's absolutely none. The answer is no, no, he's stuck in that bottom. Rory has hypothesized that he will not be out of the bottom ever long past We'll see.
Theresa:I honestly, I don't remember. I don't remember enough, uh, Michael in a surprise to no one and because I just admitted it, um, is at number 14 with negative 1,270. Shannon is at number 13, with negative 615, Kate negative 300, Boone negative 90, Jin negative 70, Walt negative 30. Now we're going into the positives. So now we have more than half above zero.
Amanda:Whoa.
Kip:People are making their way up.
Theresa:Mm-hmm mm-hmm except for Michael. I think he's, I think he might be screwed actually. He's there's like 1800 between that's top him at the bottom and the top.
Kip:That's a deep hole.
Theresa:And it's because he's just such a Dick. Like he's just not doing any anyway, that's terrible. No, Michael Schmichael 11. Oh my God. No, please. I like mine better. Okay. Why can't I be a lover anyway, Sawyer at 35, Locke 190, Sayid 235, Jack 295, Claire 325, Hurley 475, Charlie 575. And then Sun is still at the top with 635.
Kip:Do you have your rankings from last week on that notepad? Ye what did Locke change from
Theresa:Locke used to be, he was number five and this week he's number seven.
Kip:Oh, so he went down.
Theresa:He did go down. Yeah.
Kip:Oh. Was that knife throwing?
Theresa:Um, it's actually because other people went up I think. Oh, okay.
Kip:Yeah. Cause like Hurley wanted, so he didn't necessarily lose points. He just, he
Theresa:gained, he gained, he gained 40 points.
Kip:Hmm, may I ask why?
Theresa:Um, it was for sharing the golf clubs at first, I thought he, he could be like, eh, or I could use this to club a piglet or a road or something. Ridiculous. And then, um, at the end, when he was like, I like that he acknowledged. that like, Michael wouldn't be, would be unhappy with it, but he's also not blind. I'm sure he sees Walton. Like, can I go do this? And his dad being like, nah, fuck off. And then him, I'm sure. I'm sure Locke was watching somewhere from afar. Mm-hmm like the whole golf thing. And then again, this kid being dismissed, like it's very clear that like Walt needs attention and he's not getting it. So yeah. Locke he's look, he's not stupid. He, no, he wants to give Walt something, so. Wow. Great. Great. Thanks for the rankings RA rankings. Thank you. Check him out on our blog where you'll see the week to week changes. It's uh, quite interesting to see how those people move all around
Amanda:except for Michael. Theresa: Michael. Okay. First of all, Michael went down, but, and then stayed down. No, but he, he honestly, when he made that drawing, I was like, my God, he's doing something useful. That's true finally, but then so mean to Walt, so mean to Walt. Oh, I get it. You don't know what's in that explanation. I really cause
Theresa:I'm pretty sure you were like ranging up daddy issues since 2000 and full. Not just for
Amanda:you. I meant the whole show. The show is like basically a therapy session.
Kip:I know that's about it for this week of solitary. Oh, we have to do our rankings. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh my
Amanda:God. This is so fun. I know. I know what mine's gonna be. I know. I know. And Dan is going to just shit on us all when he, why? Nice dad. So why don't you start us off then Cabrini, mine's gonna be a
Kip:10 tenner. Just a 10 the gate. Uh, yeah, it was just, it was good. It was quintessential lost. I was
Amanda:just about to say, I'm also gonna give it a 10. Yes. Because of that exact reason, I said this, this episode gives me essentially everything I need. Yeah. In, in an episode you get the most beautiful flashbacks. Mm-hmm, that really, I think, highlight a lot about a person. You get this very, like you, he hit the mystery, the intrigue mm-hmm, some answers, some questions, some, you know, kind of moments where you don't know what the hell's going on. And then you do get to hand that character development and those like sweet moments. Because I think anyone who knows my journey with lost, I love these big, like kind of declarations of affection that kind of come out between people in this show. And later on, they get very famous for some . And, uh, this me is kinda the beginning of that, these little like moments between Sawyer and Kate and Jack and everyone. And you kinda get a bit about, so I loved it. 10, 10 outta 10 for me
Kip:also, I just want to quickly say like the scenery, like they just showed off. The island, like just, it was so beautiful too. Like we don't often get those pano wide shots of no, it's a lot of sand or cave. Just gorgeous. Mm-hmm . How about you? What was your ranking there?
Theresa:I'm gonna give it a 9.6.
Kip:Okay. That's very high. You don't seem
Theresa:convinced because I'm trying to think, like I liked it obviously, because I love when something makes my heart race and I like being cheesed, but like my Michael, I can't give it a 10 because I, I hated Michael so much in this episode and I couldn't give it a 10 because. it's really , it's just Michael. It might be Michael. I feel like there's another reason why, so
Kip:essentially
Amanda:no episode Michael is ever, he is gonna get a
Theresa:10. No, he, I think I gave a 10 to, um, walk, bat, walk him bat. And he was in that one. It's just, he, he really
Kip:pissed me. You probably gave that one because he got like spear
Theresa:fight. Well, he, he had no business anyway. Um,
Amanda:but interesting enough. So we all give it kind of like a high, very high, high ratings in the lab. Yeah. Maybe nitpicking here and there, but this was an episode that is also relatively well yeah. Received. This was submitted for, uh, new Andrews as you kind of yeah. Uh, alluded to and, uh, walk about is another one. Mm-hmm that you said you rated quite highly mm-hmm that also gets a lot ofmy consideration. So, you know, I think we're kind of in line, at least with the critics. Maybe not always the, like I said, I think it was rated a little bit low, so we're
Kip:taking like IMDB ratings, um, and I think anyone can vote on those. Yeah, absolutely. So it's, it's more of like a general populist rating. Yeah. So I think it's a good comparison.
Amanda:Absolutely. And because IMDB is very like you Google anything and IMDB is the first thing that comes up. It's very, absolutely I think well known. Yeah. All right. Well thank you for joining us for another week of, but let's get lost. And next week we have, uh, we're, we're hitting the 10 mark episode 10. Wow. And we will give you a little surprise. It is a Claire centric episode and in that vein, we will have another special guest with us. So tune in next week for that.
Theresa:Bye bye. Bye.
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