We're three best friends and we love Lost and we love talking. But even more so, we love talking about Lost. So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get lost together. Welcome back. We're on. Onwards and upwards here. Let's get lost. And it's a pretty exciting episode because with this episode marks for the season. We're over halfway through the season already, guys. Isn't that pretty cool? That is cool. I didn't. Yeah. So welcome to Let's Get Lost. So we're talking about, like, hearts and minds, the trees. Why don't you start us off with the recap or synopses? I mean, this synopsis is, like, over, right? Yeah. Like, anyway, so. Episode 13. Hearts and Minds written by Carlton Cuse and Javier Grillo. Mark Swatch directed by Rod Hall. Come Boone's growing jealousy over Satan, Shannon's friendship threatens to erupt in violence until Locke steps in dragging Boone. Locke leaves him stranded in the jungle where he must not only confront his feelings for his sister, but also the menacing creature that stalks him from the shadows. I mean, the menacing creature that stalks him from the shadows. Another terrible synopsis. Is this a job I can apply for? And be the person who writes synopses for these? Because the one on Disney Plus was Kate finds out Sun speaks English. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, it's like, who does these? I don't know. Even the ones in here, though, like, are so inconsistent. And so the one, just as a reminder, the ones are reading are from like the official like special edition DVDs, like so they're pretty ABC centric. I mean, what I might say is that because there's the whole series, maybe they just assume if you're buying it. Yeah. That's true. That's quite the assumption, though. Nonetheless. Nonetheless. So some facts about the episode. Amazing. Amazing. They can't do with that, like just a level of competition. Yeah, that's exactly. I mean, it's amazing. It's just like, I don't fucking care. Yeah, that was. And that was anything in relation to me is, you know, it feels really nice. You know. Okay. So this episode had 20.81 million viewers, which is mind boggling to me to this day. We are at day 24 on the island, which they I think multiple times or at least once they actually. We've been on the town for three weeks. Yeah, that's crazy. Eight out of ten on IMDB. Not bad. Not bad. And this weird nickname Count is one, which is. Why are you looking at me? Well, because Kip wrote it and I read it. So. I wasn't paying attention. No, but do you remember? Oh, do I remember? Oh, I see, I see. I thought you meant like. Oh. I thought, you know. Like 93. You see, he's got all this. Like you know, in obviously. In relation to the cop. So I'm going to say like pig or something ridiculous. Yeah. Because he's only that one scene. Yeah. Croc Hunter. Oh yeah. I remember him. Do like. Australian version of. That. Yeah. Probably. I don't know. Is it Christmas. Could you, could you please answer that for us? Wasn't there a crocodile hunter? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the joke, though, because he's on a show and it was hilarious. I love. And this is it the first time. No, it's not the first time we seen Jen in the back. The very least we see Jin in the back of Jack yelling at her. Chrissy But I do like when you see like little bits of them here and there. And it's just kind of like, I mean this is the first sort of major where there's actually like spoken lines. Yes. And we're just gonna get more of those, which is really fun for good. So. Yeah, and not bad. It not bad. Not bad. Yes. Do we know how much like does is it does anybody remember what the viewership was for the previous episode? I can tell you 1/2. Okay. Uh, 21.59 million. Okay, so we did. Lose or we lost. A million after that one episode. Not quite a million because it's 20.8 and this is 21.50. Okay. So 700,000. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Well, hey, that also didn't rank very high. So that one got 7.9 on IMDB in this one got eight. So this one got more. Yeah. Barely. And I anything it's funny that like it's not even like that many viewers it on high was like 20 million is anything above 7.5 on IMDB, which is actually pretty good. Really? Yeah, exactly. Wow. Okay. Okay. Teresa, start us off the way we love to be started to. Know. The trivia. I'd like. To read you some trivia. Please. No, I think we should keep it, because now we get to see that I'm not the only one who's an event. Okay. Long day. All right. You're half as I always do, some trivia. This when I can only find two. I was not trivia heavy for me. Anyway, trivia question number one Who was the first actor who was cast for the series? Wow. Yes. Don't. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to get you on a technicality there. Why did. Dan. Denton. Yes, Ian Somerhalder. Unfortunately, that's correct. Again, what the. You know, details are important in lives. Just like the order of the podcast. Yeah. Okay. Question number two which scenes were added later due to short runtime weren't in the original production? Hmm. Look at it too, David. Easier said. No, no to the final cut. But like. Oh, they were it was just added later because they needed to fill the 42 minutes or whatever that the. Oh I see, I see. I'm not up on the TV movie lingo here. You have all be. Understand the question am. Oh did didn't Denton the gin and Hurley fishing scenes. Incorrect. Oh really. Do you have a steal there, Teresa? Oh, yes. The Kate and Son scenes. Incorrect sales magnet slash compass scenes. Oh, I did think that was random. Yeah. Mm hmm. See, the thing is, there is every part of this feels like the reason I thought it was the John Hurley stuff is because everything else seemed kind of like important to the storyline. Like, yeah. Is like giving him a composite doesn't work, kind of adds to save and Jack's like we don't trust him thing and then the sun key thing had to have been there because that's how she realized she distinguish. So yeah. All right, so there's trivia. We have a I don't know, I wasn't keeping track of points. I got zero. And I got one. And the stupendous Amanda got one. Amazing. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to the stream of conscious, because as I thought of it, as I was watching you. I always know, I think of where I think Teresa's. Going to go wild. You don't go wild. It's 2.0. You know what? What? I think we should do something after five. She said, plug your ears right now. Okay, hold on. I don't know how to. Okay. And Kevin, I are going to say where we think Teresa is going to go off the rails and her thing. Oh, good idea. I think it's going to be hey, when the smoke monster appears and B, when Shannon and Boone do it. I definitely think it's going to be that way. Okay. Okay. But I can't think of any other ones right now. I can't think on the fly but see what she does. Okay. Okay. We're back. By the way, that was terrible. It's really weird to watch people talk about you. Talk about you in front of you. Right. All right. Episode 13 My God, who's I is that. I don't know people's eyes yet at this point, I guess just because that's most of it. In Jack's eyes, though, I doubt I can pick his eyes out of a bunch of eyes. I don't know how to feel about someone just sleeping on Shannon Ash when it's boom. Fantastic, creeper. So what's up? What's in Shannon? Did she give her shoes? Can she wear them there? Ah, so they're pretending they're hunting whatever they're doing out there. Okay, cool. I thought. I thought Boone was Shannon. Nope. Just a different blond. Hey, Shannon, what's this? Why are you in Sydney? Why stay away from Shannon? Wow. His eyes are really gorgeous. So it's always, you know, a pretty normally calm dude. He don't take orders from no one. I'd be like, I'd probably take Boone Downs. I should probably be careful. I don't get. What. What differences do Boone and Saeed have? Has this always been going on? Wait, what are you doing, though? Oh, right. Hashtag plane parts airborne. It's a hatch. Yeah. But what are you doing with it? And why is it a priority? What have you been doing out there? It looks like the same, right? Like it doesn't look like you've done anything or know what's wrong with Hurley. Oh, is that what that leaves for? You know what? All that fruit would make me poop it turn to so took odhran catches fish for everyone. That's cute. See, he does care about everyone. Oh, poor guy. You just, like, buy your stuff after. Well, so what are you forging for, Kate? Oh, no. These two weirdos again. Now he's nice to her. The fuck knows this week. Why did everyone just watch creepily from afar on the show? Oh, wow, Jack. Shots fired. Here we. Go. You know, this island grows lots of things. We should probably have people live on it. Okay, son? Yes. The only sane person on the show. Sometimes you get it. Damn, girl. How did you clear this area by yourself? And now you have a grove. Damn. Okay, first of all, Kate, not everyone is as selfish as you. Calm down. Oh, it's only been two days of staring at the hatch. Then why are you so sweaty? How does Locke have so much knowledge? All the time? What are all these stories? I'm pretty sure if I told my boss I was working and I was just staring at my computer, she'd be like, No, fuck you. Also, it's clear you open it from the inside lock if there's no handle. Are you in Sydney now? But Shannon looks fine. Oh, no, she doesn't. Shannon, you need to. You know what? This guy is not good for you. He's a douche, Hodgins. Adorable. Understand? What? I'm confused. Wait, what do you have to tell Shannon? What do I have to tell her at all? What? Since when do you think that you're always calling her useless? Oh, and here we go. Locke again. What ramifications? What are you talking about? I'm so confused. He's just so cryptic. Wait, Locke. What the fuck? What's the game plan, man? They're not going to notice. He's not back. Of course they will. What's that paste? I'm sorry. What the hell is happening right now? What are you doing? Oh, okay. I'm just confused. Totally confused. The hell's happening. It's. It's like a Charlie. Detoxing is soon addicted to Shannon, just locked. In bondage. This looks like one of those crazy finger traps for your whole body. Why? Sawyer do you think they recognized each other when they were on the island after? I'm so confused when she. When they say that Shannon was married, isn't she, like, 18? How old is she? I can't keep track. Oh, now we know what your business is. The first question finally answered. I was going to pay him off. Is he, oh, 25,000 to break up with someone? Can you put a price on love? Oh, 50,000. That's not love. Also, can I have your bank account open? Kate, you're a psycho. Why are you making up more shit? Oh, you know what, Kate? You're actually kind of smart. You're lying. He's a garbage, but you're smart. I'm just glad that son can have a friend now. And it's not Michael Hurley that's not going to work. But Hurley, he doesn't have to pee on you. That's what's it called? What's something called? The jellyfish. Not an urchin. No freaking made inside. Just make a damn compass. Someone want to take a survival class with me? What's a we below side? I think we're on the same wavelength. You know, I think I tie a decent knot, but I mean, I learned that in cadets, but that's about all I learned. And Locke, just straight up as a compass. Wait. How do you know what? What's where? What? Are you okay? You're hallucinating. Boone. Did you just. Break your wrist for Shannon? Wait. It is real. It's not a hallucination, okay? Obviously, Locke tied her up. It's the same rope. And also the monster is finally back. But the timing is sketchy, okay? And now is trying to get through the trees. What is this thing made of? How did it hear them? You know, say, I don't really follow you. Why would we assume that the compass and defective and not Jack's approximation of West? Is he exactly right? That that's exactly west? I don't know. He just guessed. Also say it are you sketched out by Locke now too? Why is everybody so suss of everybody? Oh, my God. Okay, the monster let up. Oh, I knew it. You know what?-100. Locke, I don't know what you're doing. This must come later. Wait. What? What's happening with Brian there? What's happening? Oh, my God, you bitch. You're using him for his money. Wow. Oh, wow. Shannon -250. Because what the actual shit. You were eight. What? What are you talking about? Ah. The classic Locke sitting down shot. Okay, I don't understand. Has it been all week that they've been, quote unquote, hunting, or has it been 2 to 3 days? Pick one. You know what? We sure are, Locke. We sure are. Kate, you're all secret, so I know you can at least keep this one. Also, son has fabulous skin. Also, son, it's sad that you lie to the man you love, but you clearly love him also. I really enjoy this Jillian Hurley storyline. Oh, no. What are these pills for, Charlie? Oh, it's aspirin. And what's that key around Jack's neck? Oh, everyone's just in this episode today. Hey. Oh, how cute is this generally made up? I didn't know they're fighting, though. Oh, gosh. Sun loves him so much, though. Why does loss make me feel so alone? It seems like everyone's kind of smiling today, Jack. You're certainly all over the place. I love Kate Hinkley. I love Kate. I hate love Kate. But I always want Kate and Jimmy. How the hell do you know that? That's a guava seed right away, KATE So it turns out I'm lonely, I'm stupid, and I have no survival skills. Thanks. Lost. Oh, it's escalating. You didn't get that for them. You didn't get that far then. Hey. Okay. Oh, my God. The goddamn tree lifted out of the goddamn and everyone here. The monster Jesus got her. Why are you screaming laughs when a monster has you? Then when the plane crashed. I'm so confused by this dynamic. I don't even know if I believe you shouldn't wait. And that's why the dynamic is weird. Is it hashtags? Siblings are dating? Oh my God, it's siblings and boning. GROSS Was this the first time? Also, eight and ten means that you guys were were raised together. It doesn't matter if there's no blood. If no stop, please stop. Don't do this. That's your sister. Stop, stop. I can't. Why did this happen? Please don't do this. Do not do this. It'll interrupt further release. Timing is in the morning after. Go away. I say you. She did. She did. Well, that son. Oh, shit. Like that was smooth. But also, that's how you sneak up on someone. This is unfortunate. Also, I'm confused by your use of the past tense of drag boom. I don't think it's drug. I think it's triads. No, I don't know. I'm questioning everything now. Oh, he was hallucinating. Was it the grape paste? Oh, it was. Mm hmm. So what the hell paste gives you that kind of trip? What was it? I mean, what does this mean, though? I bet he was relieved. Oh, my God. That is. Yeah. So that's sad but twisted. I mean, like, that's a weird little game to play there. But I'm curious about what what I would see if I was pasted or I would call that pasted paste drugged. I don't know. Is it still anti bacterial though for his head would be. And well did you guys get it right on where I went crazy. Thinking about first actually. Yeah. Amanda did we. Yes. Yeah. What were the. I say when the monster appeared. There was an audible gasp and then I think I yelled Mofo. But then we both agreed on which and then boom did it. Was disgust again. But also I also thought about that if the piece like so did he just lie but it being antibacterial or was it actually antibacterial and a hallucinogen? That's what I don't really get like. And he was mixing it for. Buffalo long time. Like. So I'm like, were you always going to drug him? I don't understand. Mixing this, it's. Like in a coconut. Husk. Well, also, like, how did you please. He knows too many things, I guess is too much. I also agreed on the compass. When Saeed and Jack were talking about the compass, like, okay, Saeed pointed pretty close. Yeah, it looked like it wasn't. That far off. And yeah, it's pretty approximate with Jack's reasoning. And right away they're like, like, give us a compass. He's up to something. It's like, or are we trusting the doctor to know which way is direct west really? Like come up. Yeah, I think it's like a lot of this feels like a little bit of a reach. Yeah, like I don't. I didn't buy the suspicion from the compass. It was a weird. Oh. I think Jack in particular and Saeed are both constantly looking for reasons wanting to trust Jack. Yeah, sorry. Mm hmm. And so, like, I love and we're kind of jumping around, but I love that Charlie kind of brings Jack. I think, back around a bit about like yeah. You know but great to of consciousness. Thank you. Really good return to form I thought you were off last week, but I just like this weird thing. See, Missouri, it was both. They were both great. No, so self-conscious. So getting into. The episode proper or I have to be honest. I don't want to see about this episode really. Now it's. Getting weird. Because of Boone and. Shannon, not even that. But just like I think we're supposed to equate what Locke does for Boone. To what? Locked in for Charlie? Yeah, and I don't believe those things to be equal. Yeah, like, it's funny you say that, because when he started his, like, I'm talking about Locke started his speech to Boone when he was, like, tied up, and I was just all of a sudden, it felt very, whoa. Like, he's really leaning into this. I'm the island savior type guy, and almost like it's a little too much at this point. I agree. Who anointed that to you? You had a very specific task with Charlie, with Boone. It feels very like I'm going to prove something. And I understand it was all about he needed Boone to focus on the hatch. So he couldn't be thinking about Shannon all the time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it was just yeah, it felt very, very like, who gives you the right to do this? And I'm sorry, it's not the same like I know. And in hindsight, we're going to know that what Locke is doing is important. But what is what is he doing like at this point? Like, again, it's exactly what you said. It's like he's made the decision that he needs. Boone Focus it on this task. And who gives him that, right? Yeah, exactly. Like I need you and I don't want you to. Shannon, I'm going to have to show you why. Like, why are you so into her still? You're obsessed with her. Like, you worry about her too much. I will say I really like that line where he's like, Do you not like lying to her or do you not like what she what she makes you feel when you lied or something like that? I love that. But you don't like Charlie getting off heroin. Yeah. Was beneficial to him. And everyone. Everyone. This one feels just. It feels wrong. Him getting off his sister. Not. That part to let me just we'll get there we're going to jumping around already but I mean I just I think it's the the kind of the key to this one. This this episode feels kind of icky for many reasons. Yeah, I really I don't love like I think in the end Locke is helping him probably. But that's a really messed up way to do it. Very messed up. And he does help them because like his clearly very well we'll find out he's in love with Shannon and it just happened this like night together and right before they're on the island, like right before the plane crash. So it's like clearly their emotions are raw between the two of them. And you kind of know it kind of makes sense, like the way they bicker and, you know, Shannon, it's like she says, Oh, I am jumping all over the place here. But no, but like I like she says, you know, we're just going back to the way things were. And she's made that very clear on the island where she just doesn't really give a shit about him except when she doesn't know what's going on. Then she wants to know. Yeah, Shannon's wrong, right? Like Shannon's treatment of Boone is wrong. Boone's weird thing with her is wrong. And Locke is helping him to. To see that right. And, like, I think Locke, as much as we might not see it particularly, I think Locke is dirty. I think Locke has picked up on that Boone chanting. And not just that. It's like a sisterly brotherly thing. Yeah. And he probably, in the grand scheme of things, he's probably saved a lot of trouble because I mean, the the synopsis does kind of say like it stops it before it erupts into violence or whatever. And I think that's what they're getting at that Locke needed. It's good for Boone to separate himself from Shannon. Could that have maybe been a conversation? Stern Lecture in conversation, probably. I don't think so. Fox Extreme. Yeah, but like think about it this way. Like you grew up with someone you consider your sibling and then you slept with them. Okay, well, I've heard. You know what I mean? Like, do you honestly think a stern talking to is going to be the thing that snaps him out of being in love with his sister like, no, that's it has to be very persuasive. I know. I think for something like that, like. It almost needed to be this. Evening for something like that. He needs to knock them unconscious, tie him up and drug him. Yes. And make him see his sister be killed. You know, I think that was I mean, he didn't make it. I mean, the island show. I mean, that part was kind of fucked because it is when he's like relief and like in his mind, he went to her dying. And he was really. I mean, that kind of makes sense, though, right? Because then he can't feel for her anymore and then he doesn't ever have to tell anyone that his sister. Yeah. I'm not sure he's even that worried about. I'm, I'm like 90% convinced that if he had, if they'd gone home and she was like, let's be together, he maybe would have even done that. So I don't think it's really knowing that. But I think it's the rejection, right. And it's the like Kim said, it's the Shannon only needing Boone when she needs Boone. And like she's openly hostile towards him. She's spent years manipulating and lying to him and essentially stealing from him like it's not good. Which is like kind of a reach for me to like, she's doing this because. Her. She feels like she, her mom's like cheated or whatever out of money. You know. Or she feels that she was. Cheated out of money. Yeah, I think you were eight. Yeah. You know, they're. Like, no, no, no. So you're. Able to. See this more. Like. So they get married when they're ten and eight. Yeah. And it's her dad. Poor dad dies. And then Boone's mom, who inherits it all, gives her nothing. Yeah, but still, you know, like, that's pretty fine. No, I'm sure that's not fine. I don't know. I also didn't remember super rich because. Yeah, Boone's able to, like, fly to Sydney on a dime, stay in a hotel overlooking the Sydney Opera House, are not missed by me, and then pay people off with like $50,000. And he's done this before also. That's a lie. I thought Boone paying off her boyfriends was more icky than them sleeping together. I don't know why. It just. It made me feel so just like I was like, Oh, this is gross. Like, before you found out she was dating, I'm like, the fact that he would walk around me, like. Just be like, here's 50 grand, stop seeing my sister. Like, I just. That was. Her. I just got this idea of him traveling the world paying off these guys, and it just felt so gross. It is great. To be fair to Boone, he did attempt to go to the police first. Yeah, I you know what, though? He did say that's not the first time that he's paid someone off. You know, regardless of whether or not he went to the police first, he's done it before. But if he if she's going around acting like she's abused it and he goes, please and please don't do anything, what's the next step? How do you know that that happened the first time? In the second. Time, I want you to sue me. But why would he bite each time? I don't know. Maybe because it's. Weird. Maybe because he's obsessed with her. And she said, and like, based on what we've seen on the island, like, he really likes to throw around that he is someone. Yeah, he does. So like it's actually not that far fetched that he would be like, Naomi repress, like, just leave her alone. Like, I'm a CEO. Oh, yeah. When he was like, you heard my mum like knows you're in Australia. Yeah. Like that was so that. Was so annoying your. Name dropping someone who does not matter. I loved that so much. Like goodness. Okay, well, let's talk who it really matters. But it's so, you know for a guy. I know every time those eyes reason. Yeah Oh my. Guys are something. Is a smoke show it's I mean. And like when he's in the jungle with like one where he's so dirty, I. Mean. You need to come. I can't. It's so dirty. I keep it. Does anybody wonder. Why the dirty man is not a problem for anyone here at this table? Because I think you're all on the same fucking pages. Me? I prefer viewers less dirty. Oh, I didn't like the arms, though. Yes, the eyes. The arms and then the like. Stubble. Oh, sexy. Yeah. And you know what? I. Here's my blue. Oh, my God. It's too funny. Anyway. That's our surprise. That's. I heard a stream of consciousness. So you just went online. Bunnies. Hot dog hot bunnies. But you. You haven't. I feel like you almost have, like, an unfair thing toward one because you find him so attractive. What do you mean? Because before the episodes. You should kind of attracted to. Yeah, but I don't listen to what I'm about to say. Cover. So we're turning on the episode. She goes, I bet Boone's gonna get a lot of points this episode. And I was like, Why? I don't remember. And she's like, It's it's a Boone episode. Like, okay. And I mean, I watch it. I'm like, He slept with the sister. He's not getting a lot of points for this. That was sarcasm. I wasn't it was not Matthew is giving points. Ooh aam I said oh a little bit of dirt it's not funny it is that mud you guys. I care more about things and looks. Sad when it's in something. Like his beautiful soul. Oh when he slept with a sister or when he paid off the men because he was in love with his sister. He went to the police to try to help her. Do you think you just tried paying off? Say it next. Just made very, very rich at home. But I don't understand. I run a business. Yeah. I do want to talk about that for a second, because he does he doesn't try to pay them up, but he does go up to him and says, I do it for my sister money. Why? I know I didn't get that either. Like, why was he so angry? Because he's in love with her. I know. But still. Honestly, that's probably where you were getting the like. I don't like this vibe. Yeah, because there's no reason, like, you go to Australia, your sister's calling you her screaming in the background. You shoved your house, she had a bruise on her forehead. You go to the police, they won't do anything. You maybe bribe them to go away because you're at your wits end. So it has. Nothing? No. Like, stay with my sister. We're on this tiny island and there's only 16 of us left. But please, it's still 40. But for you guys, as I'm exaggerating for dramatic effect. What is a 16? Okay you don't is. But I'm I'm too tired. It's not the same it's not the same to me. Like I'm paying off. And you now know she's full of shit. In what way? Like, say you endangered her. Mean. If he was not, or like even if you thought she was still in danger. But you know she's not because you know that all of that was a lie. So at this point it is just he's jealous, just jealousy. And it's too bad because I think Boone has a lot of really strong character traits. By his. Tender. Beard. AAM but did you think it was weird when he gave her that gift. What wasn't were these shoes. I think they were shoe like where are you in leather, even my size. He's like, I just got these socks off. If I just rummage through that dead guy's luggage. Recent experience. I have no use for them. Like, why did you have them to begin with? Yeah, exactly. I like how it is all over. You know, I think my shoes keep rolling. The blisters roll. The New York trees. A stream of consciousness to the whole time. What's with the snapping? This is what happens when the sun sets. And when the sun sets we all go wild. Yeah. Like I do kind of feel like an out-of-body experience. Just like I just. Sort of your snapping your fingers, like you're not of what. I'm going to trigger. Amanda Okay, you got him again. Another lie from Kate for no reason. Kate? Yes. Is it bad that I don't know what you're talking. About when she's talking to Sun? Like. I know what in Bali. I know she's trying to, like, see if Sun understands her, but, like, I think she's trying. I think she. Was I think she was. Amanda here is that. No, I didn't think that to actually like. But then it's just like she's just offering up lies for no reason. Like she's not even being prompted to give out information about, oh, I was on my way to Bali where. I'm a traveler or you're, you're a fugitive. Yeah. So she just lies very, very easily. It's fact. Like. Yeah. I do actually. I remember now that I think you might be right because I remember in the last episode or episode before I think he kind of saw her get something to, you know, is. When her and Jack were being disgusting. So yeah. She thought she saw something on. That vein. How is that what happened before? Because she just reacted. Well, someone picked up on it. I think, you know, as three weeks on, I think probably we're supposed to assume the first couple weeks she was pretty much attached to Jen, like a tad to his side. And only in the last little while as she started to really more venture out on her own and be alone with others while Jen's fishing. And I think maybe that's why it hasn't happened before. True. And I think it's felt like her and Jen because everybody assumes they don't speak English like no one really. Like even thinks of them really other than yeah, Jen fishes he was handcuffed and then son is just she was just just always there. Except hurly throws out. There's a rumor going around You speak English so. Yeah. That your wife's heart. Yeah, yeah. And Jen does not know he is. He just looked at himself. So I really liked the little garden thing. The garden thing. Super cute. Smart and smart. She's the MVP. Oh, sun's amazing. Yeah, and I think it's good that someone did figure out she speaks English. Yeah. I needed. Besides Michael. And then. Yeah. Oh, sorry, Michael. And then we have those little like the garden thing is cute. The interactions are cute with them. It's an important step. And then the Jen and Hurley stuff was really adorable too, that there's a little subtle character development that. Is really nice. Hurley was just so funny. He was so funny and. It would have been hard to act out, to act like you don't know English, and you're supposed to. Not. React, not react, but also kind of like react thinking like, what's this guy yelling out about? Yeah, well, I pointing at is he's not. No. Yeah. Some things are universal. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that was cute. Oh, and the, the way Saeed says what is a we below it just don't we believe what is we below. I also don't know what are we below is. It's between them is this guy that comes go. You know I. I don't I didn't even I was. Googling random things on the internet so. I didn't know there is a thing between I didn't I thought boy scouts and tough stance are the same. Look it up, please. Fine. But I just thought it was hilarious how interested Saeed was in finding out about we believe. As he's probably like, how? Why is lock like kind of a prophet, kind of a wilderness. Survivalist. Champion like. A we below. Is it halfway between. Is a Cub Scout of the fifth rank who is at least ten and a half years old and is preparing for entrance into boy scouting. Oh, okay. So I guess he was. That's real. Yeah. If I don't know what is some people. My my same question what is a we below. Do you guys do any of those like Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts or anything. No, I was a cadet. Oh, yeah. Me when I was 12. That's cool. Which is what I meant. I mean, way to listen to the stream. And I knew. That. Amanda. I think that it's interesting that life brings up the Boy Scouts thing because it's I think he's trying to suggest that all of this knowledge and all the stuff he knows is from being a we. Below when he was ten and a half yet. So that was like 70 years ago man. So I was kind of thought that was interesting to see doing that on purpose or maybe he was way below. And I do like when he said he was in a popular kid and that was. I can kind of see him as being a willow and just like being obsessive about like all the things he nature. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you predict rain like ten. Minute pressure. To the minute though. Yeah. He's probably got very sensitive knees, people with bad knees in sentence. I mean, that's I mean, Amanda, what about have you tell. Us. It's funny. I wasn't talking about you. I didn't know you had bad knees. I don't have bad knees. And she. Goes. She goes, oh, man, it's going to rain. I feel a lot of tension. I can't what John Locke is doing. You know, you guys, you're not the. Pressure on the air that. Is. He was going to rain. Yeah. Yeah, he just. Said. That's how he got to you. Let's talk about this, about Jack. Kate Lake. We're good again. We're bad again. I know that Teresa brought that up. What the fuck? Last time we saw Jack and Kate, she was crying about killing a man. And he wants to. To away. He yelled at her, too, to get to that point. Yeah. And then today we see them just frolicking in. The jungle and he's giving her seed. Oh. Oh, okay. You were waiting for that. He really was. But. Okay, so he wasn't they weren't frolicking at first. It was a harsh transition, I'll give you that. But he was kind of awkwardly staring at her, probably wondering how to approach because we had this stormy moment. And then she, of course, she says, I can see you. And then I like to believe that, you know, on the island they're in an extreme situation and they just let bygones be bygones. They've been through a lot in three weeks. Maybe it's just one of those things where it's just like another day, another yell, another fight. Today we're good. Tomorrow we won't be. Probably, I think I think it was just, you know, a couple's quarrel. And they were like, you know, let's just let bygones be bygones because I love you in you love me. Because I actually really liked them together. This episode I did, too. And what I'm pissed about, though, is that this is another example where I have to defend her and or talk about how great she is. Okay. I don't care for that moment, but I think the fact that she he should have walked up to her or he could have walked up to her and she could have really been terrible to him. Yeah, but she is good at like going with the flow and not holding grudges and like the last time I saw you, I cried in front of you. You walked away like a jerk. But I'm going to. You know, knock. But it's funny because Nikki Stafford, author of the unofficial guide Finding Lost, also picked up on this. We're thrown down here by saying that in a cup, a couple of characters behave in ways that are inconsistent with what we've seen of them. In the previous episode, Jack treated Kate like a common criminal in the last episode, and in this one he's joking three with her. So it's all out to just say that this is clearly something that lots of people picked up on and our viewers did, too. But it's just I don't like that. And it does kind of as much as it could be written off as like not, you know, conforming to previous episodes or whatever. I do think it he is back and forth like this. Kind of ways and we see that very often with him and it would have been nice to have some of actual acknowledgment of even if she made some sort of quip like, you know, gee, nice to see you creepily standing there in the forest looking at me last time I saw. Oh, you're walking away from me after making me cry. Yeah, yeah or whatever. Little bit more. You know, nuanced. Obviously, I'm not a writer. Obviously, but no, I agree. And then, like, I feel like they build them up and then they tear them down and then they and I know that's a build tension with them as a couple and things like that, but I don't think at times it's unnecessary. I like Jack in a lot of this episode. I think the doctoring stuff is cute. I think he's good to them in a lot of ways. He's just so inconsistent. I liked his advice to Hurley when he was asking him for medical advice, anything. I think he was doctor patient confidentiality, right. And about how he needs protein dissolving the fruit and obviously causing some. Torture, though. Issues you are prone to. Like I was, I thought that too. Like I never would have picked up on Hurley thinking Jen was mad at him. I had no idea, to be honest. Maybe it's supposed to be one of those things that was just like nobody really can tell until. But it must have been true because he doesn't give him a fish at the end. Yeah. Which is like some sort of sign of like, okay, we're good. Yeah, yeah. But I think, I don't think it's a I like to think this at least I don't think that it was that he was mad at him. Yeah. I just think Jen and respected his effort. Yeah. That's probably like accurate kitchen. Seems like what we've seen in Jen, which just so limited. But what we have seen him, he's a very he's a big man of honor. He's big into, you know, working hard for being yourself. So I think just anyone who would come and put in that effort and, you know, I think he would have rewarded with that. And I really like. I think so, too. What was that? The time we saw Michael in this episode? Yeah. Why was he there? I guess they have to put him in somewhere. I just didn't like that. Like, it was. It seemed very. I don't remember what his thing was. I was going to Hurley. Right? You just sit. Yeah. He. Walt and the dog are playing, and then Michael sits down and Hurley is like, Oh, you found your bag. It might be nice to have your own. Oh, yeah. He had this box. Yeah. And that's when Jen walks up and kind of gives her the fish sitting next to me, because I don't know if it was to just kind of show he's there. Michael Seeing Jen in like a better light or I don't know, but it's just it felt kind of forced, like I get you got to throw them in and they're not always going to serve the storyline. But Sawyer's thing was super funny. It still fit the show. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's I think it's interesting because, like, you know, how last episode it felt like really like choppy and like I think that this episode felt more continuous except for when you have like the balloon being trapped thing and then you have like the comedic Jen and Hurley and then you have the. GROSS. Shannon and boom, and then you have the sweet like son Kate Jack thing like. And then to throw Michael in, it made it feel a lot like the last episode where it just didn't fit. Well, it's interesting because I think it was Carlton Cuse, his first, yeah, it was his first script for the series. And then he he just came on two episodes before, and then he became like basically one of the main showrunners of the show, and this was the first script. So they were just picking up on some of those, like Growing Pains as someone who's just getting involved and. Adjusting, especially for him. Like it's a quite a big ensemble cast. It would be tough to to run it really smoothly and they typically do do a very good job of that. Yeah. Okay man, it's got. Something just on the same kind of an event nit picky Jackie thing. The other thing Nikki Stafford says is in terms of the character's acting, it finishes off when Jack talks to Charlie as they're building the fire. Charlie seems more like his old self again, too. Despite everything that's just happened, I'm not sure I fully like anything when I'm going to agree with everything we read in here. I'm not sure that that's quite the same as the Jack key thing because Jack is talking to him about it and he does. He does talk about it in this, I think with hair like and he says kind of like with the heroin, which are the fact that Claire was abducted by the guy who was killed. Me, I wouldn't say he's like back to his old. No, no, no. He's just literally trying to survive. And what I don't love about that is I think it kind of takes away from Dominic Monahan's performance, because I think Dominic Monahan's performance in these last few episodes has just been like literally outstanding. And I think there is a subtlety to what he's bringing to the role, Charlie, right now and the fact that he is affected by it on a really deep level. So I think we don't see a lot of Charlie in this episode, but what we see I think is really fucking good. Well, let's talk about that scene because that was a really good scene, not just the how Charlie's doing, but when Jack asks Charlie, what does he think of Locke and Locke's doing a one of his classic Locke sets out there by the ocean and amazing. I really liked how it was delivered in that he's kind of saying what we all kind of thought or are thinking about. This guy seems like a mad man. And what has he say? Probably shot the postman because his mom didn't let it. Cookie Yeah, yeah. Like it was hilarious. But also, yeah, we're all kind of thinking that. And then until he saved my life, he says, Right. So like, he does a really good job of sort of like showing two sides of Locke in that one statement. Yeah. I agree. And I mean, he does say that about that. That comment is like one of the best quotes and probably made Rory like the happiest man on earth when he said that John Locke's like the only one that he would count on him to save them. Yeah. And the way he said it was really good. It's funny because Kate said that a couple episodes ago, but Mark and I'm wondering how many more people are going to say that. And interesting. And interesting. It is interesting, especially when you think about how, you know, Locke. I mean, we all trust that he's obviously very capable in this situation, but he also, you know, hit a bunch of people for his own. Yeah. For their for their whatever. Or he's he's. Sketchy in his own way. But because I guess, like everybody doesn't see those interactions, you just know what you experience with him. Yeah. But like, I mean let's not the company Boone. I get that he's trying to teach them a lesson but. No, but that's a good point. And, and. You don't know that like you said. And but the thing is, Charlie does know that he kind of fucked with him and he. Didn't pay him. Well, you know, strung him out. But you want to talk we talk about how Kate is like a phenomenal. And she is it's just Kate and that last group we're in, I see lots of things about how Kate is like a master manipulator. Yes. Wonderful liar. But Locke is also a very. Gifted. Liar, even when he runs in the side. And or is it said or Jack can't remember when he when they're like, have you seen better days? Like, no, haven't seen him today. It's like so natural side. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. So it's like, yeah, hard to know what Locke is. And I think that's why, even though we do like I like Locke a lot at this point. And I know we always talk about how like in the beginning he's supposed to like it's very unclear where they're going with him and stuff. But I do think there's still a part here where I'm like, I don't really get you. Well, that's a good point, because like, one of the things I was thinking is, okay, on a very basic, basic level of good versus bad he's still up in the air at this point. You can't tell if he's good or bad, but yes, like you say, true. So he is teaching Boone quote unquote lesson. But he does it in a really bad way. And so is it okay just to literally knock someone out and cause a gaping head wound on them just to teach them a lesson and. Then drug them? Yeah. So, like, it's almost like at this point we still maybe don't know where they're taking Locke because good or bad, is he good? Is he bad? It seems like maybe in the big picture he's maybe good and maybe just has bad like ways of getting there. But also we don't quite know yet. No, because even like so Claire's missing, he's supposed to be hunting for boar and he's like, well, this is more important. Yeah, it's like, well, how do you know that this is whatever is in this thing more important than eating. Finding the woman who's been kidnaped? Yeah, like I. And I get that the trail's cold, but, like, you're still supposed to be hunting. Like you're the hunter. Yeah. And now you're saying, well, there's no more boar here like that. When he tells that to Jack, I don't even know if I believe. Like, I don't know if he's telling the truth or not, because I don't have. Yes, we haven't seen him do anything like and he's just been focused on this hatch for either a week or two or three days. We're not sure he's I think two days. I think at one point we has spoken about him going hunting. He's like, you've been going for two days or whatever. Yeah, I again, it's only been 24. That's right. Claire's not going on that long. So this is kind of what Nikki Stafford's getting at in her book that like for Charlie to have like. Within 24 hours, essentially, for us, it's longer. But it's always hard. Yeah, I do think, like I said, I think there's a subtlety to it. Like, I think there's a subtlety to to Charlie's behavior. And I think there's a subtlety and a nuance to Dominic Monahan's performance. I really like and I really like that. And yeah, I don't like Jack just even going around kind of trying to determine Locke's, I guess, motivations or his whatever it is. What's he doing? Yeah. Again, it just strikes me as like is that key at this point to you? I mean, I guess the last sort of major interaction had was when they were trying to find Claire or track Claire. It didn't quite go so well, but I'd say the most meaningful interaction they've had is that talk in the forest about Jack's dad. Right? And so like, I can guess that, like you say, trees, everyone's so suspicious, but at the same time, like, shouldn't Jack at least have a little bit part of him that believes in Locke? A little bit based on that very like, meaningful interaction that they did actually have. But but like you say, yeah, he's going around and he's asking everybody their thoughts on Locke. And it just seems almost bizarre right now because, like, nothing's happened to make him. QUESTION Well, the only thing seems to be that it's been a week since they've had fresh more. And you know what? There's also a part of me that's like, okay, so now he's just like, I get it. And I get why Hurley in particular wanted meat. Now that it's very clear. Yeah, but it's not really Locke's responsibility to feed you all the entire time you're on the island. Exactly right. The Kate. And doesn't Kate say that? He does. Yeah. And I same process as Kate. I had to agree with her. It's like yes, because he's a hunter. Is he now responsible for feeding 47 people or six people? So I don't know. There's a lot going on here. It lays the groundwork for I mean, it continues, I should say, the groundwork on this whole Locke Boone thing that's going to come to a head very soon. And it gives us some subtle development. Well, it's interesting because when I was researching the episode, there's a lot of critique about it being kind of like a not a very well-received episode. Critically, it often ranks very low, unlike the the episode ranking lists and all that. And the main thing kind of that is sad is that, well, some people brought up that they just didn't find Shannon Boone that interesting. No, you know, I wouldn't say that was my critique. But another thing is that they said they didn't really bring much to the table, didn't have a good, long lasting impact on the series. Whereas episode or the characters, the episode. So and I mean like I guess kind of like because Boone is a it's a flashback that he goes through like the big sort of monumental moment. But I also think it really does lay some groundwork for, like you said, the Boone and Locke relationship that is pretty important to the series. So I don't necessarily agree that it doesn't bring anything to the table for the canon of the show. No. And we also I think it's as subtle as it is and maybe kind of a throwaway part, Kate, discovering that, yes, I can speak English is very key as well. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And then it just shows Island Life, right? Yeah. I do think the problem is that Boone and Shannon are not overly sympathetic characters. Yeah, you could. You could have something there. He's just kind of like this rich, spoiled guy who likes to act more important than he actually is. And Shannon just really hasn't been that likable so far. Like, Kate has her moments of being this likable, and it's 98% of them. But she does have some moments of likability as well. Yeah, but at the end of the day, again, I, I think I'm a very well rounded when it comes to Keith. I'm going to say another important nice thing about her, even when she's horrible, she's compelling in some way. But I don't find Boone and Shannon that compelling. I mean, I do find Boone to be compelling and intelligent. And it's not just about his looks for me. So that's important to note. But Shannon is just a throwaway character in my mind. Still. I don't know how compelling Boone is. I don't think he is personally like I don't. I find him to be like one of those characters that like, he doesn't add very much. Like, obviously we know that he's going to, but like at this point, like, he just hasn't done enough for me to be like, okay, cool. Like he's hot, but like, what is he really done other than freak Shannon out. Tried and failed things. Exactly right. And just be like, you know, he stole the water. He tried to save that girl and then ended up needing to be saved and. But then maybe bring up a point that's like maybe that is why he is actually maybe a little bit more compelling and and maybe we're just being too harsh on what we think should be success. Like compelling doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing all the right things. No, because I wouldn't have suggested that, Kate, is that. If that were. Well, I mean, more like when I'm watching an episode or like when I do my rankings, I write everybody down and then I give them marks through the throughout the thing. Lunin Shannon are always at the bottom because I never really remember them. Okay. Well, I mean, you're ranking. They never do anything to like make you jot down. Exactly for the most part, at least up to this point. Like there hasn't been enough of them to say that they're compelling for me. Like I, I obviously I remember Michael because I hate him, which means I remember Walt. I always remember Jim and Henson, always like for some reason, those were the ones that I always forget. Can I ask you something about your process? Yeah. Okay, so do you. Do you watch it twice once for stream of conscious, once for ranking? Sometimes, yeah. Because that's a lot to keep track of in one viewing. I have a better sense. I mean, I used to have to keep pausing so that I could write it out, but now I like type it up on my computer, which is why I don't hear like the page flipping anymore. So I type it up and then I have a notepad with and then I'm just like writing them. Now I want to put like a GoPro in front of your face and have you just like narrate your story. One way. One day. Well, you know, we if we get a certain amount of like follow my Cheerios and we'll do a live last. To be a good episode. Otherwise it'll be like through the looking glass. Well, this is a good it's a free stream of consciousness because we laughed out loud several times. I cannot it. Was messed up on time. So this episode ended very ominously. I thought, Anyway, when Jack attacked John Locke, it's like, okay, you're over her now. Follow me. And they walk into the darkness. It just felt weird. It is weird. It's a weird. I told you. At the beginning. I don't know. Even went to say for this episode. There's so much weird to it. Yeah. And I, it's so funny to me because Boone is, is so important to the end of the season stories. Like oh it to me, you. Know he's not I was being facetious about the complaining. Obviously my favorite thing about him is that he's hot. I don't want to be called shallow because apparently all I'm known for around here is being shallow and hating people. So, like. Talk about a compelling character, but he does become very important. And it's interesting that someone who is going to be so important to the storyline is kind of milquetoast. Know I'm sorry. What. What is what is a milquetoast? Milquetoast is that kind of like we below necessary prefer milk. So what. Is a milk toast. Anyway you know so that's, you know tell us what milk to. Toast are you Googling milk so. Just okay Google it's what is milk toast. No, no, no. So it's like a like a weak person. You would think, you know. Okay, I've never heard that before. I don't even know if it's true because. I used to call someone. We know that. So I was not wanting to. Be like this is not. Oh, okay. Hold on. Oh, here you go. Oh, it's spelt differently. Yeah, it's like it's like milk way. Like she says. What's milk way and. I Al Q You eat toast is a timid MC or an assertive person. Yeah. Oh, it's one word. Yeah, but it's funny cause I looked up milk like milk space. Oh, that's what I meant. It said milk toast is a breakfast dish consisting of toasted bread and warm milk. Oh, he was sugar and butter. Salt, pepper, paprika, cinnamon, cocoa, raisins are other ingredients may be added. Must be British. In the New England region of the U.S., milk toast refers to toast that has been dipped in in a milk based white sauce. Oh, my God. Like a weird bread pudding. All right, anyway, so let's hear the rankings. So my rankings, we have at number 14, Michael minus, I mean, -1345. Then we have. Shannon -820. Kate -625. B negative five. The top ten are all in the positives. Jim 15 Walt 155. Sawyer one shady side 320 Jack 350. Claire 375 Luke 530 Hurley 775 Charlie 820 And then at number one son with 845 wow, wow. I never been in the top before. He yeah. I don't know. I think maybe. How many points did Shannon lose this episode? 325. And Pat Boone. He lost 55. He, like, gained some for like being a good brother. And then turns out he was just destroyed. Yeah. So he lost. Motivation, shifted to CNN. I was like, wow. Like, that's really sweet, because, like, I know you know, I was having a problem. Like, I'm sure my brother would, like, step in, and I was like, That's really sweet. And then turns out he's in love with her, and when she seduces him, he succumbs to it in a very heartbeat. He's like, don't. It's like, okay, yeah. Please stop, stop this now. Well, I think it's a good time to give our ratings rankings. Ratings, ratings. All right. So and you go first. Let's hear what you think. You know. I'm torn this episode. Like I said at the beginning, I don't know what to think of it. It's still a good episode. I still want to watch it. I, I love it, but I think it's like a seven for me out of ten. I just, I don't know, seven out of ten. I mean, would also be a seven. It's it's just slightly better than the last one for me. I mean, I was going to rank it right at much lower. But I think considering the reaction I had to it, clearly it's better than I thought it was. I just think it was a little disjointed but and like kind of messed up. So I'll also give it a seven. Okay. I think I'm going to go with about a 7.4. Yeah, not stellar, but that's some good moments, which is always important. When we finally talked about the smoke oh, the smoke monster again. Yeah, yeah, it came back. So as I think we all forgot about that. And turns out it was just in a dream. Amazing. Amazing. Really. Well, thanks. Thank you guys for listening to another episode of Let's Get Lost. Please check us out on Facebook, Instagram, let's get lost up pod us in Spotify, iTunes, whatever it is. 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