Amanda 0:11

We're three best friends and we love Lost and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about Lost. So join us for some laughs. Good conversation. And let's get lost together. Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of Let's Get Lost. You're here with me, Amanda, and your co-host, Theresa and Kip .

Theresa 0:39

Why is this so weird ?

Kip 0:41

<laugh> . Why ? Why do you look so disappointed? Theresa ?

Amanda 0:45

Okie dokey . You're smokey monsters.

Theresa 0:48

I thought she was gonna be more like, Okie dokey . And then it was like, you're here with me. Oh

Kip 0:54

Man ,

Theresa 0:55

Dog , you're

Amanda 0:56

Cold . Okay . You know how it is . So we didn't record this week. Normally we record on a certain day each week. We couldn't do that cause I was outta town. So we're recording on a different day, <laugh> . And it's apparently

Kip 1:08

Throwing us all over the place.

Amanda 1:09

Terrifying. So we're getting back into it. But here we are on episode 17 in translation. Teresa , what is in translation about?

Theresa 1:22

So this one was written by Javier Gorilla , mark Swatch and Leonard Dick, directed by Tucker Gates. A mysterious arsonist destroys Michael's raft and everyone's suspicions turned to Jin whose inability to defend himself prompts him to flee into the jungle. As the castaways hunt Jin down Sun must decide the best way to protect her husband, even as she suspects that he may be guilty.

Kip 1:52

I don't remember Jin fleeing into the jungle.

Theresa 1:56

Um , I thought he was just walking.

Kip 1:57

He just , that she just kind of found him at the

Theresa 1:59

Water. Well , well , cuz like

Amanda 2:00

Sawyer

Theresa 2:01

Did. Yeah, but I thought he was just one . I don't think he fled. Like I thought he was just like

Kip 2:04

Walking. Yeah . Maybe I'm being nitpicky.

Amanda 2:06

I mean, I think he did technically like take off. Like I think he knew it was, but like, do you blame

Kip 2:12

Him? No.

Theresa 2:13

It's a mom after you .

Amanda 2:14

Yeah . The whole thing is ridiculous. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , I mean, not a bad synopsis really. Let's see what Disney Plus had to say. Okay . Because I always just think that the dichotomy between the two is hilarious

Theresa 2:24

To me . It's either gonna say the raft was on fire, or it's gonna say the series, the episode opens with,

Amanda 2:30

You know what? Honestly, with how they've been going lately, it's probably gonna be like Hurley's Disman dies. <laugh>

Kip 2:36

<laugh> .

Theresa 2:38

And then , and a new couple emerges this episode as another falls apart. I

Amanda 2:43

Have no , that's actually not a bad one.

Kip 2:44

I have a , go ahead. Sorry.

Amanda 2:46

This one is, oh God . This is what I mean though. Like, what is wrong with Disney plus's thing? They only give away like the tiniest little thing. So this one Sun stunts her fellow survivors with the surprising revelation. That's

Theresa 3:00

At that

Kip 3:00

End. That's

Amanda 3:02

Like , that is important, but that's not the plot point.

Kip 3:04

So IMDBs is I think probably the best one when the raft, when the raft, the survivors have been building burns down. Michael accuses Jin of Sabotage Sun. Makes a surprising revelation.

Amanda 3:15

Boom. It's like a combination of

Kip 3:17

The two.

Amanda 3:17

Exactly. Like, I don't know , I just, I've become obsessed with these

Theresa 3:21

Like we know.

Amanda 3:23

Terrible, terrible. We know Synopsis.

Kip 3:26

Well this, uh , in translation is day 32 to 34 on the island. 19.49 million viewers head up there again. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , uh , imd be reading any guesses?

Amanda 3:41

Nine.

Theresa 3:42

8.7.

Kip 3:43

8.40.

Amanda 3:44

Okay. Interesting.

Kip 3:45

On the lower side. I love this episode. Me too.

Amanda 3:48

I'm spoiler alert later. It's getting more than an 8.4 from me.

Theresa 3:52

I have mixed feelings

Kip 3:53

And then the Well not surprised

Theresa 3:56

There . No, but it's not for the reason that you think . Okay . All right . I think, anyway. I'm pretty sure everybody thinks the

Kip 4:01

Same thing. Um, so the Sawyer nickname count, I have four, but I think only two really count.

Theresa 4:07

I only remember one and it was Mm . Richie

Kip 4:10

What?

Theresa 4:11

Betty .

Kip 4:11

Oh, Betty. Yeah. He calls Sun Betty. Calls G Bruce.

Theresa 4:18

Bruce,

Kip 4:18

Like Bruce Lee,

Theresa 4:20

I'm assuming. Oh . Oh my God.

Kip 4:21

He calls Jack Doc , but I guess we include that cause we always include freckles.

Theresa 4:28

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> .

Kip 4:29

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and then he calls someone else Chief. I can't remember who that is. So four in total. Okay .

Amanda 4:36

Not bad. Not bad. Yeah.

Kip 4:37

Mm-hmm . <affirmative> ? No. Overly like

Amanda 4:40

Bruce is the most defensive .

Theresa 4:41

Yeah. Oh yeah. That's

Kip 4:43

Terrible. Okay , so I'm gonna read you guys trivia. Okay . This is very Daniel Day. Kim focus today.

Theresa 4:50

<laugh> on , well, he's a stud.

Amanda 4:52

Okay. He's a stu .

Kip 4:53

Okay. Daniel Day. Kim has a double bachelor degree in theater. And what ?

Amanda 5:02

Yeah , I like biology. Incorrect . Weird.

Kip 5:06

Sorry. Biologists who

Amanda 5:07

Are the same . So I just meant to go with theater. Biology a whole is a great, I just like what ? It's not weird . Something like really artistic and like something sciencey.

Theresa 5:18

Kinda like when I was trying to do a double major in biochemistry and theater and film. Yes.

Kip 5:22

<laugh> . You just described Theresa <laugh> .

Amanda 5:25

Correct . Thank you. I also always thought that was quite a

Theresa 5:27

Very , I ended up not doing that, but yeah, I did try that for a good two years. Um, Wal . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . I feel like I need to pick a new sound because like we've already heard that one. Yeah,

Kip 5:37

You can do a new one.

Theresa 5:38

I can't think of one right now though. But Walt , um , um , economics?

Kip 5:42

No. Uh , political science.

Amanda 5:44

Okay. Oh , that , that's a good one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That's a good one to go

Kip 5:47

With that. Okay. So what does Daniel Day Kim collect? And I should note, some of his items from his collection have been featured in films and television shows.

Amanda 5:57

Really? Car , cars?

Kip 6:01

No. You're probably trying to think of a sound more than the answer. <laugh> . Yeah .

Amanda 6:08

I'm just like , go with your normal one.

Theresa 6:10

I won't. Um, I don't even have an answer. I am like, um , radios

Kip 6:16

Fine. Vintage watches.

Amanda 6:19

Oh , interesting. Is one of the watches in this the watch in this that he wears?

Kip 6:23

I didn't know. I don't know. Okay . But I'm probably, probably because there's like quite a few nice looking watches in this episode. You

Amanda 6:30

Know what? I wanna start a collection of something. Okay.

Kip 6:33

They'll know .

Amanda 6:33

Yeah. What should I collect?

Kip 6:34

Wait, hold on. Let me just ask, how's Watership down going?

Theresa 6:39

I was gonna ask that

Amanda 6:39

Too.

Theresa 6:40

I was like, how do I get, how do I segue into this? Cause I know she collects

Amanda 6:44

Books. I do collect books. That's true. But she doesn't . I collected at start of my collection Watership now.

Theresa 6:49

So it's been a month since they've been on the island and several months of us recording. And how far are we ? Yeah.

Kip 6:55

How far have you you

Amanda 6:56

Read? I haven't started it, but Good point. Well, I

Theresa 6:59

Have started it. No she hasn't. She's lying. I

Amanda 7:00

Keep

Theresa 7:01

Restarting it . She's lying. You know how I know

Amanda 7:03

It's in your garage ?

Theresa 7:05

<laugh> ? No, I brought it into the house, but it's still in the McNally Robinson bag.

Amanda 7:09

No , I've read it before . You're ,

Theresa 7:11

It's

Amanda 7:11

Your point about bunnies .

Kip 7:12

You've read the the ,

Theresa 7:14

I've read when you started it several times, we don't mean 30 years ago. Like we wanna know if you started it in the last

Amanda 7:21

No, I haven't read it in the last 15 years. That's correct.

Theresa 7:25

So you did not in fact start it many times. No . As you just

Amanda 7:28

Applied to I started listeners many times in the past and I have a hard time reading it. And that's the problem. Cause I'm also currently reading a book that I'm having a hard time finishing. So I think , and I have a really hard time listeners DN Fing books.

Kip 7:40

What does that mean?

Amanda 7:41

Do not finish. Oh . Or did not

Kip 7:42

Finish. Oh. Like even if you're not enjoying it, you have

Amanda 7:44

To finish , finish it. No , I have to And it's such a problem because I need to get over that and just like, be like, I'm done with you. Cause people dnf books all the time. Yeah. There I

Kip 7:52

Can't , I also cannot dns

Theresa 7:54

Only DNF once. Only one book in my entire life. What was it ? The Nest.

Amanda 8:00

Oh yeah. Anyway, the point is Amanda's

Theresa 8:02

A liar. She didn't read Watership Down. She's still not reading it. They've been on the island for 32 days. Okay ,

Amanda 8:06

Amanda's, that's my next ,

Kip 8:07

However, perhaps you can start a collection

Theresa 8:12

Of books. She will not read from

Kip 8:13

Lost. You're doing great.

Amanda 8:15

You're doing great sweetie . The next book I'll have to read is Ha World . It's me, Margaret. Right?

Kip 8:21

Why?

Amanda 8:21

I think that's what he reads next.

Kip 8:23

Oh. I don't know .

Theresa 8:24

I haven't seen him reading in a while. He's been doing a lot of

Amanda 8:27

Kicking, kicking people in the face. Y eah. U h, okay.

Kip 8:31

All right . Um, but I still think you should start a collection, but think about it. Okay .

Amanda 8:36

Give Amanda it will not be vintage. Watch.

Kip 8:37

Give Amanda ideas for collections. She can start.

Amanda 8:41

I feel like I'd be a great collector.

Theresa 8:44

Cuz you're borderline a hoarder

Amanda 8:46

Or correct.

Kip 8:47

<laugh>. <laugh> . There's a fine line . How many Jin, how many other Jin only centric episodes are there in the whole series?

Amanda 8:59

Dun , dun , dun . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , five

Kip 9:01

Incorrect Walt. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Theresa 9:04

One.

Kip 9:07

None. This is the only,

Amanda 9:08

That's not accurate.

Kip 9:09

It is accurate. Okay .

Theresa 9:11

I thought it might be none, but I couldn't. No , I thought maybe you

Kip 9:14

Were the rest are like shared between Jin and Sun. Yeah, because this, you don't see anything from Sun's perspective. This

Amanda 9:20

Is Well, I disagree with that. Why? I feel like when she's first putting on that dress and that scene. Well, so cuz I was gonna actually bring that up later. That's

Kip 9:28

True.

Amanda 9:29

But is that true? But

Kip 9:30

That's true.

Amanda 9:32

Why ? I mean, I guess it makes sense cuz they're very, but like, oh, I don't , we can't talk about it enough because I don't wanna give anything away. But there are times where I feel like there could be one that isn't shared between the two of them, but I guess it is . That makes sense. Okay. All right .

Kip 9:50

Wow, you guys did not get any correct today? That's

Amanda 9:53

Not

Theresa 9:54

For, oh , we , I , for me, I always get a lot wrong.

Amanda 9:56

<laugh> . You know, I , I was never much of a Jin supporter.

Kip 9:59

Really.

Amanda 10:00

I mean, I support Jin g i n in life, but not j i

Theresa 10:05

N I

Kip 10:05

Jin. But you love Jin and Sun,

Amanda 10:08

I do love Jin and Sun until the end. I love Jin and Sun and I love sun . Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but he's, he's hard to get into right now. Like, I feel like , is anyone watching Lost from the beJinning? Like truly? Yeah . And being like, I love Jin right now.

Kip 10:26

I I don't think that's possible because he really has had no, he's only really had negativeness

Theresa 10:33

Until today.

Kip 10:34

Yeah, exactly. So I , I would be shocked if someone was super into G right now. Agreed .

Theresa 10:39

Yeah, exactly. Yeah .

Amanda 10:41

They'll have to ask Dan. He's

Theresa 10:42

Had to be limited. Like, I think the only things when you think about Jin this thus far is like, him and Michael don't get along. He tried to give or Hurley urchin and they didn't like each other for a hot minute. He gave Claire urchin and her baby sergeant kicking. Um,

Kip 10:58

And you just see him as really controlling of Sun.

Theresa 11:01

Yeah. And like doing all these like, like hitting Michael for the watch thing and like, yeah . Yeah . So it's not a lot of positive other than like the urchin interactions. Yeah.

Amanda 11:11

And that's the thing. It's like every bad guy I'd saying quotations has moments of redemption on a show like this in particular. Yeah . Um , so it's not like every moment he's on screen I'm like, I hate you. No . And you're horrible. But for the most part, like, he isn't, he isn't very likable right

Kip 11:30

Now. No, he's not. So should we hear Yeah . Teresa's dream .

Amanda 11:36

I think we need to,

Kip 11:37

Yeah,

Amanda 11:37

I'm right into, there's dying stream of conscious because there is a lot of Michael in this episode between

Kip 11:42

First of all mm-hmm . <affirmative> ,

Theresa 11:45

Get outta here.

Kip 11:46

<laugh> . We will not,

Theresa 11:48

Um , you know, I don't think we pay enough attention to how nice this island is. Oh yeah . Jin episode. In all seriousness, does anyone wanna learn Korean with me? Let's see how far we get by the end of season six. Oh, Jin. That's a heart stopper of a line right there. Sun's his dream. I can't, whose bathing suit is she wearing? Well, I want Sun's abs. God . Oh no. Oh no. Oh . You know what? I didn't expect Sun to get involved there. It's sad that everyone was like, oh, there they go again. It's depressing. Something is weird about his dad. I'm guessing the far off look he gets doesn't quite scream. My dad is dead. Oh , this flower thing. Hashtag flashback to the airport. Um , there's that infamous raft. Weirdly large. I thought it would be smaller like Tom and Huck . I'm surprised that he built that. Um , what is Jin capable of? Sun, please explain. Ah , Hurley. Jin, come on. Go along with Hurley. Hang out with Hurley. Hurley's a good guy. No . Okay. Since when does Shannon know how to do anything? Oh, okay. Whoops. I'm a dick. Looks like she did something. Okay. Oh my God. I don't how to feel about Si and Shannon and the not so subtle innuendo. Wait , there's a cabin on this raft. Wear at the bottom. I don't know, Jack, why don't you stay out of it? And who's going? You're not going. So just stay out of it. You had , you get No say what part of the plane is that Bluegreen beam thing with the circles? Uh, that isn't a private spot to chat ladies. And what , what's that running? What is happening? Oh God. Well, here we go. Another ominous lock shot. Oh my God. Well, that raft is gone. Now how do you put something like that out? You guys don't have any buckets. You're just throwing sand. Is that gonna work? It's big. Why are we blaming Jin? I'm sorry. What? He's not even there. Oh my God. What happened to him? Oh no. You know, I feel like all that's happening here is just a mix of things. Unspoken. Clearly her dad is some kind of mob boss. He's so sweet, but he has no idea. And by he , I mean, Jin is so sweet, but he has no idea what's up. And he seems to be just blindly doing stuff to impress her dad. Oh yeah. Her dad's deaf. Some kind of mob boss . Hey, that's Heartly on the tv. Um, no, no, no, no. Why are you giving away her dog? The hell? Yeah. He's definitely a mob dos. What's with all the dads on this show? Who takes a kid's dog away? Clearly some sketchy. Um , what's there to talk about with Boone sae ? Ew. I don't know if I approve this relationship. Well, I'm sure Boone wants to say. Let me tell you about my sister. We boned . Okay, Boone, it's pretty clear that you were in love with her. So please stop speaking. Okay, so maybe Jin isn't all that we think he is. Oh my God. Sawyer, come on. Oh, wow. So Satya's taking everything Boone said is, uh , fact. Okay, cool. So he's a dick. Holy crap. Lock . That's pretty graphic. There's blood on your face. Are you eating that? Squirrel? Chipmunk. Monk ? Is that just for you? Do you still hunt for people? What happened to the boar? Okay, look, exactly. Thank you. But like the siblings are so obvious that they've been boning. It must be so hard to be in a place where you can only communicate with one person. Everything you do and say can be true in any way they, they want. And then they beat you up for it. All these who were so in love, the cuties. Wait , what do you mean? He failed to deliver a message? Didn't you tell him to just say he's disappointed? I don't follow. Oh, you mean Mar Dar ? You know, this whole thing is making me very uncomfortable. I need a hug. This is very weird. Is that a gun? That , oh , that person back there is terrifying. Does anyone remember what the silence the attachment of a gun is called again? Jin, where are you going? Jin, G Oh, no, Jin, stop. Oh my God. It's in front of the child. Jin, stop please. Jin. Jin. Oh, Jin, my heart's broken. Uh , that's the blood from her part of the flashback. He's probably so scarred right now. He seems like such a sweet soul. And then there's this, it's so complicated. Holy schmos . Oh, Jin, there's a limit. Please stop. Jin, maybe take a shower. It might be easier to, you know, get all the blood off. But it's so sad. I'm so sorry. What is happening right now? It looks like everyone's gonna beat on him and take turns like a beat up circle. Michael, shut up. Sides . Shut up. Maybe, maybe he should get a chance to defend himself instead of all of this. You guys punching on him. All of this is wrong. There's no proof that he did it. There's no proof he did any of it. No , he's just taking it so clearly. There's something weird about this. Oh my God. The realization on his face hurts my heart. You know, he probably ran away because you're a psychopath Michael , who constantly wants to beat him up. Okay, lock . Thank you for being reasonable. Lock reach the way he turns from her. I think my soul just died. Are waltz pants getting longer? Oh my God. Michael's apologizing. Shocker . This is so sad. I can't even comment. I literally stopped typing about Jin and Sun, I can barely assign points to these two. Honestly, I'm just sad and heartbroken. Oh, his dad. Oh, so he is alive. Jin, I just wanna hug you all day. His dad is so sweet and has the wisdom that's so fricking endearing. Okay, so interesting. The reasons for gonna , that airport that day were so different. His was to start over and hers to say goodbye. I just cannot, I'm a little annoyed that we're ending such a dramatic moment between husband and wife with sight . And Shannon. I feel like they're trying to shove that down our throats. Like, I don't love, I don't like that love ending and love beJinning contrast because I don't find sight and Shannon, that believable lock . Maybe you stay away from Walt because Michael will kill you. Remember, I would love to be owed $83,000. Does anyone actually still play back ? Amon ? Someone wanna teach me? Ah , now lock has daddy issues. Got it. Who here doesn't? Okay, so maybe there's more. Say what now ? I bet your pardon? I'm sorry, Walt . You did what? I feel bad that I thought it was lock . I'll give you some points back from your ominous look. I thought you did it. Um, well, you probably wanna move off this island. Like, I wouldn't count this as another move. <laugh> , you don't have a house. Oh, lock . You know what? There's something inappropriate about you saying, I like it here too. Really? Makes me uncomfortable. I don't know why. Oh, I love this song, but, ew , I really don't like SAE and Shannon together. I love these montages at the end, but I really don't like these two . And oh my God, Hurley , no , there's gotta be some extra batteries somewhere. Someone finds Sawyer. They seem to have random, endless supplies of stuff. The end.

Amanda 18:10

It's called a silencer.

Kip 18:11

Was just gonna say that. <laugh> you ,

Amanda 18:14

The thing that silences the guns is , does

Kip 18:17

Anyone the silencer ? What the silence thing that silences guns is called?

Amanda 18:21

I mean, if you want it , it's often also called a suppressor.

Theresa 18:26

If there's a difference.

Kip 18:26

Technically,

Theresa 18:27

I like silencer.

Amanda 18:29

You're just funny when you said, what's the sciency part of the gun called the silencer?

Theresa 18:35

No one said I was smart.

Amanda 18:36

We always say you're smart. Right? A lot of good points. A lot of good points that we're gonna go through, I think. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Um , but before we start to dissect the episode and, uh, get to some of Teresa's astonishing points, as usual, we're gonna bring in Dan for Dan's hot take on the episode.

Theresa 18:56

No , what really upsets me is we didn't actually, you guys didn't do my jingle.

Amanda 19:00

Oh yeah.

Theresa 19:00

What, where was my jingle?

Amanda 19:03

Oh , there's street consciousness

Theresa 19:05

Is over. <laugh>

Amanda 19:09

Also sit on . So welcome, Dan. Hello.

Kip 19:13

So tell us what you thought of in translation.

Dan 19:17

It started off as I would say, a strong episode and I really enjoyed it. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> from start to finish. First point in my notes here was a debate as to was Michael Wright for stopping Jin from hitting Sun. And that's something that I kind of went back and forth with and I kind of go back to, I think he was right because I think anyone in that situation, you know, stepping in to stop that, to to stop that would be very understandable. Um , it just gets more complex because of the history of Michael and, and everyone else. But I, I , I have interestingly also in my notes when we find out, um, when they're talking about their wedding, and Jin says that his father would, wherever he is, and right away I wrote down on like his , his father not dead. So, uh , to obviously find out later in the episode that he's not, um, I thought that was, you know, a , a good storyline the way that they threaded that through. I do have to say that Michael's raft, I really liked, I really liked how he deter , you know, whether the actual idea is stupid or not. The fact that he, I mean, they all have so much time on this island short of trying to hunt and, and survive to keep themselves busy . And to , for him, his outlet to be that that is something that he can do. He's obviously very skilled. He's an enJineer. He can do these types of things. I have to appreciate that he actually just took the time to dedicate to this. And I mean, in the end when we find out that he says that he'll or Walt wants to build one and then he's going to do it together, um , as a kind of a father Sun thing, and they kind of allude to that. I thought that was actually a really nice, really nice little storyline. Now, I also have major doubts that a Korean businessman would not know English. Does he really not know English? And by the end of it, I was actually for a split second, expecting him to also speak English back to Sun when she starts talking to him in the cave about, you know, leaving him. And obviously now maybe he still does speak English, who knows? But I think that ship has sailed. It's like, no, he didn't understand any of that, um , until she started speaking Korean. So I actually really like that storyline. I like the storyline of, of her secretly knowing English, him not knowing English, how that translates on the island. I, I , I thought that was actually really, really well done by the, by the show creators. I really like that Michael uses the wires for rope on that raft because it , that raft just showed kind of the practicality side of him trying to salvage materials from the plane, from the plane crash. And that those are the types of practicalities that are like a reminder that they are stranded on an island from a plane crash. So I, I , I , I like that don't like how Sawyer thinks that he like owns materials, that he just finds any sort of material from the crash. If he , if he can get his paw on it, he just assumes that it's his and it's his to trade and barter with. And I really, I don't like that, um , because he kind of just asserts himself this, this ownership over those materials rather, rather than, you know, obviously if someone needs them for, for building their raft. I don't know . I , I I just, I find that very controlling Now in the background when we have the flashback to Jin at, um , the minister's house at the environmental minister's house and Hurley, I'm positive that's Hurley on the tv. So I , I don't know if that's a storyline coming down. I see an actor. It's just weird because we actually don't really, I don't think we've had Hurley's backstory unless I'm missing bits of it, but , okay. So I'm intrigued to find out what that, what that is all about. This also leads me to the next part of whatever happened to the bunker and the hatch that Bo and Locker supposedly have I , have I missed something or they're just not addressed that yet. Cause that's kind of like a burning thing that I'm like, right, what whatever happened to that? Or , I mean, obviously it's still there, but have they got into it? I I hope that they really, I hope that they address it soon. And then Locke's really wise words about everyone getting a new life on this island. Once again, he's very much almost the spiritual leader with these really wise little tris or, or I don't even know what you would call them , but they're, they are just these really nice things that kind of wrap up how everyone is starting a new life on this island. And just a reminder that we don't know what's ahead for everybody. But at this point it's kind of a reset. And I think that's a common theme. And I have that written here that this felt like it was the episode of resets. Everyone's kind of resetting these relationships, trying to maybe forgive or move past. And hopefully this is the start of the group just realizing that they are more than bickering amongst themselves. They need to be concerned at just sticking together, staying healthy, staying, you know, coherent as a group because they might not always see eye to eye on everything, but at the end of the day, them as a group is their best chance of survival and being people being able to contribute their own, their own strengths to the group, uh , and their own strengths to, to everybody's survival. The wrap up of this episode, and I thought it was just really well done, was Sun's reveal of speaking English and the ensuing, you know, heartache that that causes between her. And I thought that was really nicely done. Obviously it's heartbreaking that I , I don't know if they should stay together. I'm not gonna comment on that, but it just, it seems to be just as total breakdown of that, that relationship, which is really sad. But I think in the circumstances and the way that they wrote this episode, kudos to the writers for being able to also just involve so much in this episode. Um , this is a real packed episode and I think it was done really, really, really well in the end, finding out that Walt Burns the raft, that was a total surprise. For some reason I expected Sun to have burnt it. I was thinking Sun burnt it to try and foil Michael. Um , I don't know why I , for a split second, I kind of thought, oh Sun probably did it to, I don't know, try and stop, stop Michael or, or whatever. But so I I , I think in to , in all this is a really good episode and this is a really good example of when this show gets things right in a lot of different aspects. Both the practicality being stranded, emotional backstory, all those things when they get threaded together. Right? This is a really good example of that.

Kip 25:36

What would you rate it out of 10?

Dan 25:38

I would probably rate this one like eight and a half .

Kip 25:42

Okay. I

Dan 25:43

Would say say it's one of the strongest ones in a while .

Kip 25:45

Okay. Well thank you very much Dan. Appreciate your hot take.

Amanda 25:49

So apparently the one and only G centric episode,

Kip 25:53

You looked it up.

Amanda 25:54

Well no, I trust you, but I'm just saying that I really feel like we need to give it even more carrot attention. I know right then cuz this is the only time we're gonna be focused entirely on him. Even though again there's still elements, there's always gonna be elements of Sun in his story.

Kip 26:09

Yeah.

Amanda 26:10

So we start off by seeing him

Kip 26:14

Just kind of looking right. Yeah. Because it goes right into a flashback.

Amanda 26:18

I think it does. They're both kinda on the beach kind of a little bit away from each other. And then it goes into a flashback where we see him asking Sun's dad essentially for permission to marry her. Mm-hmm.

Kip 26:29

<affirmative>. It's kind of like on the last episode we saw Sun's perspective and I guess this is what is going on during this answers sort of a lot of Sun's mm-hmm . <affirmative> perspective questions like Yeah . While she's waiting outside and he comes out and says yes, he said yes, whatever. This is him in that meeting kind of thing.

Amanda 26:50

Yeah. And we see why later on we'll see the blood and things like that mm-hmm . <affirmative> . So Yeah . It's almost like a , it's almost like a book bookend to Suns and, and that scene is so cute. Like Sun's dad is very like scary I guess, for lack of a better word.

Kip 27:05

Yeah . I wrote that down as actually he's scary

Amanda 27:07

Even before, you know the extent, like I think you get a flavor of it from Sun mm-hmm . <affirmative> , like, you know, from the Sun episode that something is going on that's untoward. Yeah . And then here we get to actually see him and he's a scary, scary man mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But when he says, like, when he asks him how he could, like, why he would let his daughter marry someone who would give up his dream so easily. And he says, because she is my dream. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , I literally get chills. It's so beautiful. My heart

Kip 27:32

Stopped. Yeah . That's very, very beautiful. So

Amanda 27:35

Sweet. So it's very sweet and it's such a contrast because, and we hear Sun kind of talk about it later when she talks I think to cater whoever about how like he's like, he was tender and now he's not. Like this to me is like such a di like that shows that so perfectly cuz from that , right, from that scene of she's my dream. We get that first scene on the beach,

Kip 27:56

It's, it's jarring to see him be so aggressive towards sun on the beach and telling her to cover up. I assume that's what he's saying, cover up and get outta here, everyone's looking. That kind of thing. It's also, like you said Theresa , it's awkward how everyone just sort of like, is like there they go again. Yeah.

Amanda 28:14

It's super awkward. Yeah. And I , I really didn't like that Jack of all people said that. Yeah .

Kip 28:20

You

Amanda 28:20

What? I'm really starting, I know we say this a lot, but Jack really picks and chooses what he inserts himself in.

Kip 28:27

Mm-hmm .

Amanda 28:27

<affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. So like he's very, he's very much the leader in controlling in in a lot of ways too. But then he's very much like, here we go again, let's just let them work it out kind of

Kip 28:37

Thing. Yeah. That's really weird that he says that. And the only thing I can think of is because maybe he thinks it's too hard to intervene when someone, well he doesn't know any of them speak English. Right. Right . So maybe that's why. But I agree it is weird for him. You'd think typically a jack reaction would be, I gotta go stop this. It's something bad. Mm-hmm . <affirmative>

Amanda 28:56

And like that scene is so chaotic, like mm-hmm . <affirmative> , he goes from zero and we've seen him do it before. Like he goes from zero to 60 with her. Like it's not just a conversation. It's dragJing at her. Grabbing at her. Yeah .

Kip 29:07

She

Amanda 29:07

Falls. She falls mm-hmm . <affirmative>. Um , and it is actually violent. Yeah . Like at the end of the day, everyone's watching this, they're all uncomfortable. No one does anything really at first. And like he's being violent mm-hmm . <affirmative> and like really aggressive. And so Michael does step in and Dan talked about it in his hot take about whether or not what Michael did was the right thing. Um, you know, like is this one of those things where they should let them work it out or should Michael have interjected? I dunno , it looks like it was getting violent mm-hmm . <affirmative> and I'm not sure that it was wrong of Michael to get

Kip 29:40

Involved. I don't think so. I mean, it's disappointing to see all those people who supposedly wanna look out for each other just stand by and watch it happen and watch it happen. Like how long would it have taken? So Yeah. I don't think it was wrong for Michael to step in. Yeah .

Amanda 29:55

And it's funny cuz I , I contrast and like, we don't, we try to go in order, but just, I think there's a contrast very easily to the scene at the end where they're also on the beach and sun has figured out language and we'll talk about that more, but just in , in particularly in the idea that like there's this big fight, this big revelation and everyone just slowly walks away from them leaving them alone on the beach.

Kip 30:15

Yeah.

Amanda 30:16

And it's this idea that like everyone is in each other's business, but like they won't help really, but I mean it's a good, and then yeah, her slapping Michael in the face.

Kip 30:27

Yeah. That was almost shocking at first to see, uh , her slap him and then when she goes to explain why mm-hmm . <affirmative> and it makes sense from that side of things because she had in that moment had to sort of like, um , calm Jin down a little bit. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> sort of like let the arrow of his tires a bit just so that he , he wouldn't like deflate him really so that he wouldn't fla the handle and murder my child and

Amanda 30:51

Knew exactly what was gonna happen and what we see later. Yeah. And like that was an interesting position to take and then to kind of take him away and then even seeing like Sun, like slap her hand away or like drop her hand or whatever. It was like he has such a temper.

Kip 31:06

Oh yeah. A

Amanda 31:07

Hundred percent . And it's, it's terrifying.

Kip 31:09

It's also weird because like in the flashbacks, like I don't, maybe the timeline isn't as, or is longer than it seems in the flashbacks, but like it almost seems like he doesn't really have a temper in the flashbacks and that he only like beats up that guy because he's like, he's actually like a good person and doesn't want him to die. So I don't un I I don't know if I get where this temper comes from.

Amanda 31:39

Well, yeah. And I have a hard time remembering if there's more that we're gonna see about it, but like I agree cuz I also think like, yes, there obviously is like a change mm-hmm . <affirmative> , but it seems almost more like internal and like that he's more distant and more like losing that kind of soft edge. But yeah, there's that kind of twist to the , the anger and then especially when we see at the , I guess we are going all over the place <laugh> , I guess when you see at the end, like first he , he doesn't wanna take that little girl's dog then he doesn't want , and then he gives it to her and then he doesn't wanna be, you know, be aggressive and hurting people. But he has to, and then we see right before they go to Australia that he goes back to see his dad. Yeah. And his dad is like telling him like, run away, do this, et cetera . And then we see him at the airport with that flower in that last episode when we saw that, not the last episode, but last sun episode. And so then what I don't understand is he clearly was trying to work his way back to that. So why did we get to the island? And we totally let go of all of that.

Kip 32:39

Exactly. And like exactly that we learn that now he had that flower because he also had a getaway plan mm-hmm. <affirmative> and just like Sun did except, uh , his included her. Yeah . Yeah . Hers was all alone. But like why did he revert back to mean angry Jin and not be like, maybe he just doesn't see this as his plan, um, as a getaway because it isn't what the plan was to go to la give the watch away and then disappear. So maybe he feels like there's still unfinished business. I don't , I'm not sure.

Amanda 33:18

Yeah. It , it's just really confusing because like even when he was angry in the flashbacks mm-hmm . <affirmative> and whatever, he's still not that way to her really. Yeah . Like if anything is more distant , the only thing I'll say is there is that moment in, and when I wrote it down there is that moment in the scene where he does come back covered in blood. Yeah . And they're arguing and he gives her a look. That is Oh so scary, so terrifying. Mm-hmm . Oh yeah. Like it's brutal. Um, and that's like a glimpse you do get of that. And it , I find it really terrifying. Like, I, I don't blame Michael for stepping in because the way G acts and the temper he has, and Michael's obviously experienced that he's been on the receiving end of that mm-hmm . <affirmative> . It's scary. And I think more people honestly should have energized as soon as he started touching her Totally mm-hmm . <affirmative> like why did no one stop this?

Kip 34:06

And I mean like, just by not saying anything or like yelling. Yeah. He might not understand English, but he would know that they would want you to stop. Just tells him that it's not okay. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> by them doing nothing, it just reinforces that , that he can do that

Amanda 34:23

A hundred percent and

Kip 34:24

That no one's stop him . That really , yeah. That really annoyed me. Um, what I liked about that scene in the bathroom in the flashback was the continuation from where we saw it from Sun's perspective and when he breaks down crying after Yeah. Because like he gives that really terrifying look that is scary and causes Sun to leave, but like then it's, it's clearly eating him up inside. Yeah . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> like this, who he's become essentially, and it's not who he wants to be.

Amanda 34:56

No. And he's doing things that he wouldn't normally do and he's doing them for her father, which is , you know, at the end of the day for her mm-hmm . <affirmative> and what he thinks he has to do. And we see that in that scene with his dad mm-hmm . <affirmative> where he essentially says like , he just doesn't want Sun to know the truth about her dad. So he's like protecting her from finding out the truth about how her dad's evil and clearly a mobster, whatever their version is of that. Yeah . And he is a bad guy and he doesn't want Sun to have to know that. And in doing so, he's showing her that he's a bad guy.

Kip 35:29

Yeah. He's taking the brunt and I don't know , I think was it you who said Teresa ? Like how could she not know, know his dad's involved in crime or maybe I read that online somewhere. Like she must have some idea. Well,

Amanda 35:46

At the end of the day, so like piecing it together, like at the end, she's , he's not protecting her from anything because when he comes home after working for her dad covered in blood. Yeah , exactly. She must assume that it has something to do with working for her dad and has him covered in blood and therefore his her dad is a bad

Kip 36:06

Guy. Yeah, exactly.

Amanda 36:07

Right. So it makes no sense. But people, I mean that part I actually kind of find believable because people do that and they get in their own heads and they're like, okay , well if I don't say exactly what's going on, she doesn't have to know the truth . And it's like you came home covered in blood,

Kip 36:20

A typical

Amanda 36:21

Factory

Kip 36:21

Job working for your dad Right .

Theresa 36:24

As a manager.

Kip 36:24

Yeah. Yeah.

Amanda 36:25

But, and that when he , she says, what exactly do you do? And , and he says, I do whatever he tells me I do whatever he wants, whatever. I'm like that's mm-hmm . <affirmative> terrifying. Yeah,

Kip 36:33

Exactly. No , a hundred percent.

Amanda 36:35

And this is one of those situations where Les is not more Yeah . I think if anything, she thinks something because I , I don't remember exactly how that scene

Kip 36:44

Came. No , me neither

Amanda 36:45

Out . So when we're watching the one from Sun's perspective, I'm like, what did he kill someone? Like what , what happened again? And so that's really what she's thinking. Like, you come home covering a blood and you're not , you don't know why .

Theresa 36:57

Yeah .

Amanda 36:58

So I think he's really, you know, kind of put her in a really weird position Yeah. Under this guise of protecting her mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then again I agree. I don't, I don't think that the aggression on island, sorry, I don't think the aggression on island matches their history.

Kip 37:13

Yeah. That's where I find a , a bit of a disconnect, but Yeah, I agree. Um, and I don't know , something must have clicked enJine in the crash to make him like extra nuts, but,

Amanda 37:25

And extra like

Kip 37:26

Protective.

Amanda 37:27

He clearly sees it as protecting her. Yeah . And , and that's clearly maybe where it comes from is this idea that he's always trying to protect her from something. Yeah. So in Korea, he's protecting her from like, the truth about her dad on island, he's protecting her from the male gaze. I don't know.

Theresa 37:41

I like that. It was a little bit

Amanda 37:42

Weird . It's 2005, dude, like 2004 I guess for

Kip 37:46

That . Exactly.

Amanda 37:48

Like, it's, it's , it's ridiculous. He's , he's way too controlled . There's absolutely no justification in the world for how he treats Sun. Mm-hmm .

Kip 37:55

<affirmative> .

Theresa 37:57

No ,

Amanda 37:57

But does my heart still break at the end for him? Unfortunately because it's made of glass

Theresa 38:02

<laugh> . No, but that , that was sad.

Amanda 38:05

Um, so yeah, we trying to just kinda go through it. I guess we see them have that fight and then we see Michael working on the raft rafts looking pretty good.

Kip 38:15

Yeah, I was shocked. I mean, we got a glimpse of it in the previous episode , but just in the background and it's like, whoa. You built a great raft so far.

Theresa 38:26

Yeah.

Amanda 38:27

There . What are your thoughts on Michael's ability to build a raft?

Theresa 38:30

Yep .

Amanda 38:31

<laugh>. There you can't deny. It's a good looking raft.

Kip 38:36

You <laugh> , what's your favorite part of the raft? <laugh>

Theresa 38:41

That it went down in flames . <laugh> , I'm just kidding. Um, that he built a cabin. Good for you guy. I don't know. I don't know how that works

Kip 38:49

Personally. No , no. He didn't build a cabin. He just used part of the fuselage

Theresa 38:53

As the cabin .

Kip 38:54

Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Yeah. It's just metal. It's just a metal room. It sits on top of the , of the raft. We didn't see it though.

Theresa 38:59

Oh. That's what , like , I'm trying to envision what this raft looks

Kip 39:02

Like. I'm basing this off of what the second raft looks like.

Theresa 39:04

I like , I was like, where's the cabin? I don't .

Amanda 39:07

Okay . Well spoiler alert.

Kip 39:08

Yeah. <laugh>

Theresa 39:11

Gonna rebuild. I mean , Jin's helping 'em out. Now

Kip 39:13

Let's change gears. Let's talk a little bit about Locke. Oh, lock. This was an interesting episode for Locke. Mm-hmm .

Amanda 39:22

<affirmative> . It was, but Locke's still doing the lock thing. Yeah. Like,

Kip 39:26

So. Well

Amanda 39:27

I think before we talk about lock though, we have to talk about the elephant in the room.

Kip 39:30

Shannon . It

Amanda 39:31

Is how terrible Shannon inside you are .

Kip 39:32

Yeah. Okay. Yeah . Let's talk about them first because

Theresa 39:35

I have no words.

Kip 39:36

I was , it just got really like cute sea bootsy real quick.

Theresa 39:42

I really feel like it's being like shoved down our throats like a thing especially,

Kip 39:45

But we said that about Jack and Kate too and I agreed with that in that episode. And I'm just wondering if maybe these writers romance isn't quite their thing, but then like Sun and Jin, the romance is beautiful and

Amanda 39:59

He doesn't even the way, I don't love it, but the way Jack and Kate and Sawyer are like kind of mm-hmm . <affirmative> coming about. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> is fine. Like it , it's , it's maybe a little stereotypical love triangle E mm-hmm <affirmative> . But it's fine. It's being built I think appropriately. I think that, um, Sun and Jin are appropriate. I think the Claire and Charlie thing is appropriate. Yeah. I think it's all moving at a normal base and then they just sit the Rose site and Shannon in our faces. Yeah.

Kip 40:29

It's weird.

Theresa 40:29

They've only had like maybe a handful of interactions. Like, I don't know that I believe they're ,

Amanda 40:34

I don't believe it

Theresa 40:35

At all. No. Like I don't believe they're chemistry. I don't really believe

Kip 40:38

They're don't buy it.

Theresa 40:39

Yeah. Like it's just, and then to have it, like I said, like on the opposite of like their relationship or Sun and Jin's relationship falling apart and then theirs like coming together. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> it like makes it worse because even though obviously like their marriage is kind of falling apart, I still root for them more than this. Like budding love that like is so awkward and like, eh ,

Kip 41:00

Sun and Jin's romance feels, or relationship feels real and genuine and like you believe in it. Saed and Shannon's feels like some tacky high school like crush.

Theresa 41:13

It's so forced.

Amanda 41:14

Yeah . And it seems like something the writers are like, we need to do something for

Kip 41:17

Shannon. Yeah . Yeah. Exactly.

Amanda 41:19

Right . Shannon, we need to like , the thing is that these are such layered and nuanced characters except for Shannon <laugh> and like, I'm not , it's not even Shannon hate. No . Like I don't hate her. Maggie Grace does a good job portraying her. Like I think they could do more with her, but they clearly don't know what to do with her.

Kip 41:35

I agree.

Amanda 41:36

And I think what they end up doing with her is throwing her in a relationship that makes no sense. Mm-hmm . They have no chemistry.

Kip 41:43

Like remember when SA gave her that box of shoes?

Theresa 41:47

How random?

Kip 41:48

So weird.

Theresa 41:49

So you know what it is. I bet when she sang to him

Amanda 41:52

It was a

Theresa 41:53

Spell, he was like, oh my god, that's

Kip 41:54

It. I went to spell in my mind too . Right . <laugh>.

Amanda 41:59

It was some

Theresa 41:59

Sort of kind sound she spell . She's like, it was a song when I was going , ah man.

Amanda 42:04

Yeah . It's

Kip 42:05

Like , oh boy .

Amanda 42:06

So I don't like it. I think it's forced. I think it's, it's weird , stupid . I think that they make no sense together and they did not do enough to build off to it. But in the same vein of that, I hate that Saed goes to Boone. Ugh . First of all, like fine, it's a nice gesture, I guess. Like to be like, I'm just giving you , I'm hoping you won't object. Little old school don't really love that stupid. But on top of that, I hate how easily Saed

Theresa 42:33

But

Amanda 42:33

Believes

Kip 42:34

It. Yeah. That was also weird.

Theresa 42:36

It didn't make any sense. It makes no

Amanda 42:37

Sense. Like , and it goes in , he's like, I don't , I think you should find someone else to be your friend. Like I one conversation with a brother that like hangs out with a weirdo in the forest all day long

Kip 42:45

And who you've like fight, have fights with and like, not like physical, but like remember they almost came to blows at one time and it's just like he says one thing and you're just gonna throw it all the way after you supposedly have these feelings. For her

Amanda 42:59

I was really disapp , I don't support the relationship, but if they're gonna do it and if , if it's supposed to be genuine, it's pretty disappointing how quickly say you let it go down the drain. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Because if a few words of a clearly jealous overly emotional brother. Yeah,

Kip 43:15

Exactly.

Theresa 43:15

It didn't make it. But that kind adds to the whole like not really believing that it's a thing. Like Yeah . If you're so into her that like you wanna ask her brother for, you know, permission or what , or let him know whatever, and then you're just like, mm , no , nevermind. Very quickly. Like ,

Amanda 43:31

But even before that, the most disturbing thing that happened in this entire episode is when they're talking and then she says, let's get some rope and spend Saturday night alone together and see what happens. Absolutely. No, no, thank you . Absolutely not. Great . That's disgusting. Also, it's like a little risque for 2005 abc.

Kip 43:51

Let's get some rope and spend Saturday night together

Amanda 43:54

And see what happens. Yeah . I would like, what happens is that

Theresa 43:59

Guys

Amanda 43:59

Tie all grow up each other up , up in separate rooms and never speak

Theresa 44:03

Again watching a couple you don't root for you don't believe in has no chemistry forcing their like sexy time steps in

Amanda 44:09

Your face. Like not just like, like , like

Kip 44:12

That's like

Amanda 44:12

Kind of freaky sexy

Kip 44:13

Stuff . Exactly .

Amanda 44:14

And that's fine .

Kip 44:15

Hey, no, not I'm all for it . Not kink shaming anybody for

Amanda 44:18

Sawyer and Kate,

Kip 44:19

But like I'm okay

Theresa 44:20

With , that's the thing. Like I was kind of imaJining what if he was like, Hey freckles, how about you and we get some rope and have a good shattered, I dunno what accent that was. Yeah . Um , like

Kip 44:30

That well be better. Sorry . It does have all that cable that he's hoarded

Theresa 44:34

<laugh> . I mean that's what they're doing . Maybe that's what they're doing with it . Yeah . But like, you know, like it's just that flirting, like Sawyer saying it, if he did say it in like a flirty way wouldn't feel as like off putting as their whole like

Kip 44:46

Well Shannon's saying. Yeah . So before we move on from then , like also wait, I have two things I don't wanna forget. Okay. So number one, okay we , we'll come back to Locke, but Locke saying that thing about getting a new life on the island. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> very poignant. Nice. Whatever. When Shannon tries to say it though, it just sounds like garbage. You know, like when she says to say everyone gets a new life on this island, I'd like to start mine now. It's like she's clearly trying to repeat what lock said to her, but it's just like, mm . Sounds stupid. Shannon. Secondly, was it a little bit of a outta left field that Sawyer wanted on the raft?

Amanda 45:26

Yes , yes, yes . So, you know, kind of going back and forth, the reason I brought up so , uh , Shannon insight at all was to , to get into the lock talk. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> because he does give some help to her too. But before that we do kind of see a, we see Sun go and try to explain the slap to Michael mm-hmm.

Kip 45:44

<affirmative>, right?

Amanda 45:44

Yes. Which I think is so stupid. Just,

Theresa 45:46

Just

Amanda 45:47

Leave it . She's not doing herself any favors here. Right. Like she knows Jin's unhappy. I'm not saying she owes Jin anything. Like G should trust his wife and if he doesn't he should back the off. Right. That's how relationships go. You trust her, you have a conversation with her, you don't like it, you move on. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay . You don't have to be so rude and aggressive to her. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And she's told you nothing's happening with Michael. But on the other hand, there is something kind of going on with him. There is , Michael knows she speaks English when her husband does not.

Theresa 46:13

Yep . Also, he's seen her boobies. We

Amanda 46:16

Can't believe he doesn't know that part, but he doesn't know any of it right now. He's about to find out about the English thing

Kip 46:20

And just the fact that what,

Theresa 46:22

Well, you know, I'm just reliving the boobies <laugh> thing where, you know, he sees them and then then approaches her.

Kip 46:29

Yes . Right? Yes. Very often . Like

Amanda 46:31

Michael, you're not exactly a saint here. No .

Kip 46:32

Well no. And just the fact poor Sun that she has to, that she feels she has to explain something to Michael shows that there , it kind of is something there. Hundred percent . Mm-hmm .

Amanda 46:41

<affirmative>. And I actually like Michael a

Kip 46:42

Person , not

Amanda 46:43

Michael being like, I stepped outta line . I shouldn't have gotten involved. And her being like, I did it for you. He's , you don't know what he's capable of . And him saying, that's your problem, not mine . I respect

Kip 46:53

That. Yeah. That was good.

Amanda 46:54

Right . And we got a clap from Theresa , a slow clap from Michaels that

Theresa 46:57

Was not a slow clap. It was a tiny clap of three fingers.

Amanda 47:01

<laugh>

Theresa 47:02

Just on the little pad in my hand.

Amanda 47:05

It's more that I ever thought Michael would get on this program . I grabbed.

Kip 47:07

Yeah . Okay .

Theresa 47:07

Well, because he finally like just, you know, just stay out of it . But that was

Kip 47:11

In

Amanda 47:11

His lane was good . That was good. Yeah . She's, I think she's playing a dangerous game here with these guys. You don't know what you're telling him. You , you know what he's capable

Kip 47:20

Of. Yeah. So you're doing this,

Amanda 47:21

So you're gonna do this. So again, I'm not justifying anything that Jin is 100% in the wrong, but I think that that she's being unfair to Michael here. Yeah . Like leave Michael out of

Kip 47:32

It. Exactly.

Amanda 47:32

And like let's just get our, let's get our own own homes in in the right order before we start. Yeah . But then we do get that look at the raft and then eventually we see Jack come and be like good looking raft buddy <laugh> and clearly like who's gonna go like even not , I'm getting so worked up because it's like Jack can't will watch a woman being abused on the beach and be like another day, another fight. <laugh> . But then he's like, uh , who's gonna be on the raft? Cuz like we need to know who's

Kip 48:01

Gonna be going. No, that wasn't it . That's , that was the tone. No, it was not the tone, the tone was like, there's just a lot of people wondering who's gonna be on this raft. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, wouldn't you want to know too? Yes. It's not obviously that big,

Amanda 48:15

But I'd also want to make sure Sun wasn't being beaten in the caves at the end of each

Kip 48:20

Night. Okay , let's disassociate these two things. <laugh> . Right. Let's talk about,

Amanda 48:23

Well Jack clearly can, so why can't we <laugh>

Kip 48:28

Shot's fire . Yep . Yep . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Wow. So no, but like it's just wanting to know who's gonna be on this

Amanda 48:37

Raft. But anyway, that leads to the revelation that soil is gonna be , is the Yeah . The third at least.

Kip 48:42

Yes. And what they said before.

Amanda 48:44

Yeah. He has room for one more. Right,

Kip 48:46

Right, right. It was outta left field is weird.

Amanda 48:49

I agree. Um , but yes and no because Sawyer's an opportunist.

Kip 48:54

Right? That's true. Yeah .

Amanda 48:56

I just think that Sawyer's not overly risk oriented. And so to me that's the part that I find the weirdest is that he's willing to like this

Kip 49:05

Is huge . Exactly. That's what I was gonna say. You're gonna

Amanda 49:08

Die. Like what ? I was watching them , first of all, very impressive raft. Okay . I agree with Dan about the wiring and this and that. Very impressive. It's still a raft

Kip 49:17

In the middle of the ocean

Amanda 49:18

Outta like materials they found on this deserted island , by the way of a piece of machinery that already crashed and is shown to be not reliable. They're like, let's take pieces from this broken garage

Kip 49:31

Airplane. They're not asking the raft to fly.

Amanda 49:32

I appreciate that. But it's weird. And then they're putting it together with ba and then they're gonna put it out in the ocean. Yeah. And Michael's gonna take a child on that. That's another thing. But whatever. I wouldn't, Sawyer seems to me more

Kip 49:45

Practical to me. I would've imaJined solar being like, you want me to get on that thing? Yeah, no. Yeah . Right .

Amanda 49:52

Like I , I'll be waiting here with a drink and like a mango and a like coconut come get

Kip 49:57

See him , want to get on. It felt odd cuz there's been no, there's been nothing to lead up to the idea of Sawyer wanting to leave or wanting to be even at all invested in the raft idea. Idea. So it was odd. Yeah . And I don't remember if we get any sort of, I believe there's a conversation about it, but I don't remember that much about it.

Amanda 50:19

So what does everyone feel about Dan's comments about um , how Sawyer feels he has like ownership over to the materials he's found . Cause I find Jack and Sawyer to be like a very good representation of the type of mentalities that you would find in a situation like this. I can think of off the top of my head, like real people I know that would be like Sawyer and real people. I know that would be like Jack, this idea. Like we all come together, we all work together. What's mine is yours. We're all in this together. And I know I can literally picture people in my mind being like, if I find it, it's mine. You find it, it's yours. If we need a trade, we can figure it out. Well,

Kip 51:03

I , I mean Okay. I'm trying to recall exactly what Dan said, but I , I agree that it's, I don't think it's necessarily right that yeah, he just finds things and says, this is mine Now, when it wasn't his just cuz like, yeah, he's like a child finders, keepers, losers, weepers. But like, it's in his character. So I don't know . I don't know. Like if we can, you can still fault characters. Absolutely. But, um, it just seems, it , it leads me to another reason why I don't buy him wanting to get on the raft is because he spent all this time collecting his hoard and he's just gonna leave it.

Theresa 51:41

That's what I don't really get either. Okay . I feel like he, like Amanda said, would be the kind of person who was like, okay , I'll sell you whatever you want. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> for whatever you have left when you leave. Yes. Um, but once you guys get rescued, like bring it back,

Kip 51:55

<laugh>, bring it

Theresa 51:56

Back, bring it back and then like I'll , you know, whatever. So

Amanda 52:00

That , that's actually like, I bet that when I said that, and I agree, I think this has to be a collective thing. Yeah. I think that Sawyer has to work better with the group and not just hoard the things that he's found and use them to barter and this and that.

Kip 52:18

Um , cuz last episode was a Sawyer episode.

Amanda 52:20

Correct.

Kip 52:21

So I'm just trying to like, think like, I mean, it was a moving episode for Sawyer and that we sort of learned a lot about him, but not much happened of that significance on island. That would make me think he's had this huge change that he feels he needs to get off the island.

Amanda 52:40

No , I think he's always been clear about wanting to get off the island. I think we should be careful with how he That's true . Yeah . Because he stayed on the beach. That's true. And I think the people who are on the beach are by definition more inclined to get off. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> . But where I where it gets tricky for me is I just don't think this would be the way he'd wanna do

Kip 52:55

It. Yeah , exactly. Uh , he wouldn't , cause I , I can't seem wanting to get on the circuity raft and, and take his chances. He's waiting for the ship or the plane or the helicopter.

Theresa 53:04

Exactly.

Amanda 53:05

And I've always struggled with the raft to this day, like, like three years ago. Just randomly. One day I , I kid you not, I was like sitting at work and I was like, Ralph was a stupid idea. <laugh> like just outta nowhere. Like they have no, like if I knew Kate , let me hear me out. Okay. If I knew I was, was like in The Bahamas on like the , the big Bahamian island and I knew that like I was trying to get back to Florida and I had a compass and I was really desperate. I might set sail in the general direction of where Florida is and be like, I'll take my chances. They have no idea where they

Kip 53:46

Are. And the Mahamas isn't far from Florida. No, that's what

Amanda 53:49

It's , it's like a , a , I would imaJine relatively well traveled

Kip 53:53

Yes .

Amanda 53:53

Face. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Like they , they have no idea where they are. They have no idea what's around. I appreciate that they're , there's scary things happening on the island. The whole Ethan Claire thing, the smoke monster, the like lack of food. I'm not saying like, I , I like the idea of them doing something. I really struggle with this idea that they're hand building something and just setting sail into the open seas hoping they have no idea where they're, they have no idea if that's

Kip 54:19

Gonna work . And I'm not just saying this cuz lost one's filmed in Hawaii, but I think like they're on a big island with big mountains. My mind goes to an island like Hawaii. Yes. It's a huge island, but when you look at it on a map, there's thousands and thousands of miles of nothing but ocean between you and anything else. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> ,

Theresa 54:38

You don't know what's out there.

Kip 54:39

What's gonna happen to you. You're gonna hope that a ship crosses paths with you or a plane . Airplane's not gonna see you with tiny little raft in the middle of an ocean. Like, it's

Amanda 54:48

Insane. I I've just, I've never really understood the game plan here. No. I think it's good to work on things and I like the , like I can, cause I struggle too with like the jack one of the caves versus everyone staying. And I , I'm not saying you shouldn't be actively trying to get off the island, but you have to be smart about it. Yeah. And it's been 30 days, that's a long time. But it's not been like a year.

Kip 55:11

I , I can see things, I can see people coming up with as this idea and thinking, well we just have to do something. Absolutely. Right . Like gives them something to work on . There are people who think I gotta try something and no, it's probably not the best idea, but if I don't do anything then I'm gonna feel like I'm just accepting this.

Theresa 55:31

I mean for , for me, like when it comes to the raft, like it's a , we all know it's a stupid idea. Like you're gonna die but on then on top of that, and I'm , I don't think Michael knows quite yet. What

Amanda 55:42

It's a stupid idea. You're gonna die . You are gonna

Theresa 55:45

Die. I just love it.

Amanda 55:46

It's just so bad .

Theresa 55:47

Like no, it's, no , they're gonna die. Um , but then on top of that, and like I said, I don't think that Michael knows yet, but like compasses don't work there.

Kip 55:56

Yeah. Michael doesn't know that

Theresa 55:58

Yet. Like what direction are you gonna go in's you know where north is, you don't know. But then on top of that , you're gonna bring your child.

Amanda 56:06

Yes. Yeah. That's the problem I struggle with.

Theresa 56:08

You are gonna risk your child's life to get him off the island. Do you want to kill him first? Yeah . Like you don't know that this is gonna work. If there's a fire on that raft, clearly it goes up in smoke because it's made of bamboo. Yeah . If you get get hit by a tidal wave, what's gonna happen? Yeah . If there's a hurricane, what you're gonna go inside the little cabin that you have and hope to God that when it flies off eventually you're gonna be safe. Like, no, the whole thing is just like a half baked idea. Like, I would never endanger a child like that.

Kip 56:38

Well that's frustrating when he says he's doing it for his Sun and it's like Mm .

Amanda 56:42

I mean, I guess the one way to look at it is that Sawyer again being practical is there's probably a part of him that's like once they're gone they're never getting back to us. Yeah. Like they're never gonna find us. So I might as well, I just think it's premature. Yeah. Like I think that they're not, they still have food. Yes. The Ethan thing is scary and obviously there's something out there they were able to handle that situation. Maybe not appropriately

Theresa 57:07

Bo ,

Amanda 57:07

But

Kip 57:08

No, Charlie.

Amanda 57:08

Charlie.

Theresa 57:09

I mean Bo falls

Amanda 57:10

Asleep . Boone falling asleep . Oh, <laugh> . But I'm just saying, I don't think we're at the let's endanger our lives. Yeah . In the middle of the ocean, in the middle of nowhere with my child. Yeah. Um, to the point where the first time I watched this, I thought maybe someone was like, I'm burning this down before four of our people get killed.

Kip 57:28

<laugh>.

Amanda 57:28

Yeah . Like that would've maybe been me. I'd been like, I'm gonna light this on fire.

Kip 57:31

Yeah . Because you're all gonna die out

Amanda 57:33

There because this is a dumpster fire idea. So I'm gonna make it a dumpster fire in reality.

Kip 57:37

But, so let's talk about lock now because he does that great speech about we're not the only ones on this island and we all know it. I love that line.

Amanda 57:47

That

Theresa 57:48

Speech

Amanda 57:48

Yeah . Is so good. First his little speech to Shannon. Not

Kip 57:51

Bad either. No. It was good . Locks were on point today. Yeah .

Amanda 57:55

Because he's he's not wrong. Right. Like to Shannon, even in the woods. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> like why do you care?

Kip 58:00

Yeah. I'm just giving him what he wants. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Amanda 58:02

If that was a very good speech. Yeah . Because why didn't you, why didn't you do what you did with Saed first? Like, why didn't you say to him, my brother's out to lunch. We have a bad history. Yeah. I'm even if that was me, I'm actively working against that. Let's try to move on

Kip 58:19

Instead of just being like, you talked to my brother and then storming off to go find him and yell at him. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> .

Amanda 58:23

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then finding lock and lock giving some great advice. Yeah .

Kip 58:27

Mm-hmm . <affirmative> as usual. Mm-hmm.

Amanda 58:28

<affirmative>. But the speech at the end is just phenomenal because it's like, why was that not their first? Exactly . Like I have notes about that

Theresa 58:35

Even. Yeah. I, the first instinct was he did it. I'm gonna beat the out of him. And then everyone was like, well this is when side goes, this is between them. I'm like,

Kip 58:45

No, it's

Theresa 58:46

Not . It's really not like it's between all of you. You're all condemning a man for doing something. You're not sure that he did. Exactly.

Amanda 58:53

Well in that scene, let's just talk about that whole like , last kind of cl climax if you will . So Jin does run away or flee or whatever you wanna say. And soy , you're going after him kicking in the face. He's obviously being spurd on by the group. Like it was not okay for him to chase after him and bring him back, but clearly So I was not the only one thinking that. Well ,

Kip 59:12

No ,

Amanda 59:13

Everyone went

Kip 59:13

To that. They all stood by when he dragged him out and , and like threw him down on the beach.

Amanda 59:19

And then he did it essentially for Michael.

Kip 59:22

Yeah. It was weird cause

Amanda 59:24

He like brings him back like a , like whale, like being thrown out there,

Kip 59:28

A whale

Amanda 59:29

Like pig , whatever. Some sort of like animal that he's like serving up.

Kip 59:32

You went with whale . I

Theresa 59:33

Served a whale.

Amanda 59:34

I watched that episode of Frazier yesterday. Where the Do you watch Frazier?

Kip 59:38

Yeah. I love Frazier.

Amanda 59:39

Okay . So I watched episode of Frazier where they're having the dinner party for Nile's weird group of people and they find that dead seal on the, I

Kip 59:47

Don't remember that

Amanda 59:47

One . So I , I went , I was gonna say seal, but then I went way

Theresa 59:51

Like whale's quite large for a one man to just drag

Amanda 59:53

Up. My point is he just like serves them up on a platter to them being like Michael and like calls out to

Kip 59:58

Michael. Yeah , yeah , yeah, yeah. Weird .

Amanda 1:00:00

He was like, Michael's henchman. I know . Grabbing him and brinJing him and then when everyone's getting involved, soys like one fight at a time, doc or whatever. And then Sas like, that's right. It's their fight. And I'm like , what is happening ?

Kip 1:00:14

It was so strange because, but then I guess maybe because of the show, but I didn't think of the others at first either. Like when the, when the raft was on fire, I didn't even think of the others. I

Theresa 1:00:29

Thought it was lock because they had the ominous face.

Kip 1:00:33

Ominous

Amanda 1:00:33

Face. I had very , because I

Kip 1:00:35

Thought it was lock at first too. Like , I was like,

Theresa 1:00:37

Why are you looking like that? Like why don't you

Amanda 1:00:39

Help ? Because of my very strong feelings towards the raft . I remembered what had happened. Yeah . But just the idea. Yes. That like, and , and so close in time to win What happened with Ethan. Claire ?

Kip 1:00:48

Exactly. That no one brought that up at the beJinning. Like why did it take a lock being like, excuse me, you seem to forget there's people trying to kill us. And

Amanda 1:00:58

That's, it's just so good. Cause he like just comes out of the jungle.

Kip 1:01:00

I love

Amanda 1:01:01

That. Yeah . And he is like, hello.

Kip 1:01:03

Yeah .

Amanda 1:01:03

There's other people out there, you moron . We know that. Why do we think that? Who would wanna keep us from getting off the beach? Yeah . Like and the fact that they're like G's really mad. Yeah . <laugh> , you think that he's so mad at you Michael, that he's going to destroy the chance, the best chance you guys have. Yeah . However half brained it may be to get off the island. Like it's insane. So I love, he just comes out, he screams at all them lectures them and he is like, peace.

Kip 1:01:31

Yeah . I love that too . Jungle . It was so good.

Theresa 1:01:32

But I like that part of the argument is they were like, look at his hands. It's like, I don't know about you, but like when I start a fire, I don't stick my hands in them. I light it and then I You

Kip 1:01:40

Run away. Yeah . Why would you be burned?

Theresa 1:01:41

Like clearly he tried to do something other than start it. But Alright guys . Right .

Amanda 1:01:49

So that as, as kind of like a, almost like I said, a book end . Yeah . The beJinning scene. We have this the second chaotic Yeah . Beach scene. But this time we have Michael coming at him and hitting him and G's not hitting him back.

Kip 1:02:03

Yeah , I know that's a, a big red flag. I'd be like, why aren't you hitting me back? Or Jin as Michael's doing it and it's like, yeah , you keep hitting him that shows more of your character than Jin's

Theresa 1:02:14

And it's not a good

Amanda 1:02:15

Character. You have no idea what he's saying. Like he's gonna like, what are you saying to me? And like , he's angry.

Kip 1:02:19

But it's interesting, I read online what he's saying and he's, he's just saying like, it translates to what Sun says in that when I arrived it was already on fire. And then that's when Michael goes, did you say something to me and like, runs after him? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then he says, I tried to put it out. I didn't light the raft on fire. Like he's just explaining it and then that's when sun translates and then they like fly off the handle

Amanda 1:02:49

That scene, that part of that scene when sun screams in English. Oh it gives me goosebumps. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's just so heartbreaking. First of all, that woman is a phenomenal actress.

Kip 1:03:02

Yin No

Amanda 1:03:04

Yin .

Kip 1:03:04

Yeah. Yeah. Yin Kim.

Amanda 1:03:05

Like, I don't know if she ever got nominated for anything, but like she to me is like a way better actress than Evangel Lily . That is a entirely separate piece of information.

Kip 1:03:16

But why did that throw her in

Amanda 1:03:18

There? <laugh> ? Oh , I , because I know Evangeline Lil did get nominated. So that's my I'm just saying

Kip 1:03:23

That's the connection . That connection

Amanda 1:03:24

That that's all it was. She's like the other main lead woman is what I'm saying. Right. True enough. So I'm just saying I think that Evangeline Lil got like a lot of like the hype for being good. Yes. I I'm saying Evangel and Lil's a bad actress, she's fine. But like that scene and then the

Kip 1:03:42

Scene again , I know the scene in the cave

Amanda 1:03:44

Like

Kip 1:03:44

Also heartbreaking.

Amanda 1:03:45

I had to like literally stop myself from crying while we were watching it .

Theresa 1:03:49

I think Daniel also a phenomenal actor. Like mm-hmm . <affirmative> the look on his face when he realizes she's speaking English.

Kip 1:03:54

Oh, I know.

Theresa 1:03:55

Just kills me.

Amanda 1:03:58

These two scenes are also a good time to remind Hollywood actors and actresses why you can't get Botox because those scenes are entirely on their faces. Like,

Theresa 1:04:09

You can have Botox but like, you know, don't go crazy.

Amanda 1:04:11

No, you can because you have to be able to show that like the , like you said, the look on his face Heartbreaking was heartbreaking.

Theresa 1:04:17

The like moment of re you can like see when he realizes

Kip 1:04:20

You're just, okay. So she was nominated for Lost at the Asian Excellence Award and the 12th Screen Actor's Guild Awards and Oh, she won . Oh . Oh. Cause that was ensemble, right. For the Screen Actor's Guild. And then she was also nominated at the Saturn Awards for Lost and that's it. She did Nominat . Wait ,

Amanda 1:04:44

She should have gotten an Emmy nomination. Yeah . Particularly for this episode. And there's a couple others going forward, but like she's so like that screaming in English to stop is

Kip 1:04:55

Just, yeah. I always remember specifically like, um, sun EnJines stories and their performances as being standout. Mm-hmm .

Amanda 1:05:05

<affirmative> . Oh they're , they they're so emotionally driven and so well performed . Yeah . And you can just see even before she does it, like

Kip 1:05:11

There's almost like

Amanda 1:05:12

Turmoil acting. Right . And so like at a certain point like, you know, you can tell it's acting in a lot of scenes. Right. Like, but in that moment watching her decide, you can see her deciding whether or not she's gonna do that and knowing what it's gonna , what it's gonna do , what's gonna cost her. And she's I think doing like a cost analysis. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> like , she's like, I can stop him from getting his kicked. Yeah . But I'm going to destroy my marriage for all of eternity. Or I can keep my mouth shut and watch him get his kicked and like still hopefully maybe maintain

Kip 1:05:40

Like Yeah,

Amanda 1:05:42

Michael's not helping though. Cause it's very clear that Michael knows she speaks English there.

Kip 1:05:46

Exac Exactly . Yeah.

Amanda 1:05:48

So very heartbreaking. And then again, they all just walk away.

Kip 1:05:52

Yeah . Be fingers stand . They're all by herself. So weird.

Amanda 1:05:58

Yeah. It's crazy. And then yeah, we , that's when we see the flashback to with his dad. Yeah . And then the cave scene, which is just, and I love that she does not tell him about leaving him in Korean and switches to English because you know that she needed to say it. Yeah . But she wasn't ready for him to hear it.

Kip 1:06:14

Yeah, exactly. So sad. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's very sad. Theres is a, I would say very epic story throughout the whole series. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> and it

Theresa 1:06:25

Ends poorly.

Kip 1:06:27

So we kind of get to the final, everyone's sort of, oh Michael, wait, what? What's the face, Theresa ?

Theresa 1:06:36

Oh, I just, I love that song at the end and I hate site

Kip 1:06:42

And Janet . Oh well I was before that I was just gonna say like, Michael tells Walt that they're gonna rebuild the raft together. They're gonna do it together. Oh. But we didn't talk about Locke and Walt playing back Amon . Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Amanda 1:06:55

And Locke knowing it was Walt. Mm-hmm

Kip 1:06:57

<affirmative>. How did he know?

Amanda 1:06:58

I dunno

Theresa 1:06:59

Knew probably layering in a corner somewhere.

Kip 1:07:01

He does like to,

Amanda 1:07:02

I thought that scene so funny. I find it being Walt to be be like very funny to me, particularly as his like explanation being I don't wanna move anymore. It's like Mm . And I find it very interesting that this is the stand he's decided to take. He's like, not when he was leaving Australia or not the millions of times his mom was dragJing him around with Brian or whatever. It's when I'm on a deserted island where I've been like chased by a smoke monster polar bear or Oh , polar bear. Sorry. Um , whatever. Like he's like, I don't wanna leave here. And it's like, this is where you should wanna leave.

Kip 1:07:35

But he likes it there. He said, and I Okay . <laugh> , I disagree with you Theresa . I didn't invite it creepy the way Locke said. Um, I like it here too because I think he was just sort of like, he , he understands Walt maybe a little bit cuz he sees that specialness and Wal we've seen in previous episodes.

Theresa 1:07:55

Yeah. I don't know. I I I think because like Michael's so against it and then he's the one to approach him and like I get that we get the reveal that like it was Walt or whatever. I just like, I know that Locke wants to stay on the island clearly. Like he's like, he's like , ah , the man I get to be but like this is a 10 year old kid. Like you're not his parent . Yeah. But he's just like , it just, it , it just kinda was like you shouldn't be supporting this child's desire to live on an island by setting fire to his father's project part is like kind of weird to me. It is weird. Yeah. I mean I'm sure Walt doesn't wanna go on there probably cuz he wants to live

Kip 1:08:42

Now. He kind of like wants to build it with his dad. It was weird that scene too. Like I'm gonna help.

Theresa 1:08:47

Yeah. I didn't get that. I

Amanda 1:08:48

Think he feels bad.

Kip 1:08:49

Yeah I guess. Yeah .

Amanda 1:08:50

And then just, I mean I think it's beautiful that Jin comes and he is gonna help. I do . But it's very beautiful. That's he's beautiful . He's gonna help and they just kinda look at each other and there's that like, this like moment of understanding

Kip 1:09:01

Inclusion Yeah. To their sort of, and it is kind of the beJinning of the uh, the three musketeers there of mm-hmm <affirmative> Sun, not Sun Jin Michael and Sawyer. Yeah . They sort of form a very strong bond throughout the rest of the series

Amanda 1:09:17

And then we see the little Yeah . Montage with the , with with Hurley . And it's so funny cause I have such a clear memory of watching that with you like 10 years ago Kip and it dying and like you saying like it literally happens at the exact episode where like as it's playing you're thinking how is that still working ?

Kip 1:09:37

How horse is still

Amanda 1:09:38

Yeah. And then it doesn't and I think that's so funny. Yeah,

Kip 1:09:41

I

Amanda 1:09:42

Agree. But to be fair, I kind of think it would have died a little bit before day 34.

Kip 1:09:46

I don't, discmans don't use a whole lot of power

Amanda 1:09:48

Don't they? And

Theresa 1:09:50

You don don't

Amanda 1:09:50

Mind dead all

Theresa 1:09:50

The time. You dt know how many batteries they, well you probably lift your on by accident. It's probably like really reserving it for life . <laugh> when he's got these

Kip 1:09:57

Special montages,

Theresa 1:09:59

It's , I feel like a montage right now. It's

Amanda 1:10:00

Always like the sun

Kip 1:10:01

Out it's montage tag. It's

Theresa 1:10:03

Like Claire , Claire , you're having a moment. Lemme just pop these on

Kip 1:10:06

<laugh> .

Amanda 1:10:07

We went the same place. I was like , it's Claire and Char get that cute zero magic over there. Gotta start playing Dian rice.

Theresa 1:10:13

And I'm sure that like, um, so's got like maybe a handful of batteries and he's like just been like exchanJing, I don't know , beautiful mangoes or something.

Kip 1:10:22

Um, and then we got that really beautiful pure, I can't even say it with the street

Amanda 1:10:29

Eating like something together like

Kip 1:10:31

Feeding each other. Yeah .

Amanda 1:10:32

They're just, I would've , you know what me off too ? You're going back to that. Not only that Saed took Boone's word . Yeah . But how easily Shannon let him off the hook for that. I'd be like, you.

Kip 1:10:43

No kidding.

Amanda 1:10:45

You're just gonna you this bond for 14 minutes and you're just gonna let him get thrown down the drain. Cause my brother says that I'm a gold digger. <laugh> like come

Kip 1:10:53

On. Yeah . Nah ,

Theresa 1:10:54

No. The whole thing is just, just take it out. Just

Amanda 1:10:58

Take it out. Yeah,

Theresa 1:10:59

I agree. And I get that they can't do a lot with Shannon, but like her whole shtick is she can't do anything like

Kip 1:11:03

Yeah, exactly.

Theresa 1:11:05

Do like get her to do something. Yeah . Discover

Kip 1:11:07

Sa would

Theresa 1:11:08

A skill from herself

Kip 1:11:09

Fall for her is very unbelievable.

Theresa 1:11:13

Wells no sense.

Kip 1:11:14

But I believe it's time for there's Care Victor ranking .

Amanda 1:11:21

It's a good

Theresa 1:11:22

One. Is that what the jingle is? Yeah .

Amanda 1:11:24

It's the same jingle every

Kip 1:11:25

Day . <laugh> .

Amanda 1:11:27

Okay . We just gotta get the cadence appropriate.

Theresa 1:11:29

All right . So I mean a couple surprises this week we have a new number one spot at number 14, uh , is Michael with minus 1000 negative 1,490. Then we have Shannon negative uh , 805 Kate , negative 480 boo , negative 30. Now we have our top 10 all in the positive. We have Walt with 55, um , Jin with 1 95. Then we have tied for seventh place si and soy with three 50. Then we have jacket number six with four 50. Then we're going to our top five. We have Claire at number five with 4 55. Number four Charlie with five 80. Number three we have Sun with 7 55. We have number two, Hurley with 7 85 and taking this top spot this week is Mr. John Locke . Wow . With 1030 points. Wow. Now our honorary ranking member, his Papa Kwan

Kip 1:12:35

Papa

Amanda 1:12:35

For

Theresa 1:12:36

All of his sage, sage wisdom. And he was just so, like, he just had a smile on his face. He's like, he makes it sound that like he can easily solve his problems if he just prioritize his son. And like, it's not a big deal. Just, just dip, just dip.

Kip 1:12:53

But

Amanda 1:12:53

You know what I also like, I actually love that you gave Papa Aqua an honorary spot because what I love is that despite the fact that clearly Jin is like, you're dead to me and I tell no one about you and I hate you is fine to help him .

Theresa 1:13:08

He was just so sweet and like, so wise and I was like, exactly. It's simple.

Amanda 1:13:13

You know what , let's put him as an honorary top and let's put Papa Pike

Kip 1:13:17

As honorary bottom

Amanda 1:13:19

As the honorary bottom .

Kip 1:13:20

There's no

Theresa 1:13:21

Kidding . He's not even on the list. He's not worth the ink.

Kip 1:13:24

Um, what was Michael's point total last week?

Theresa 1:13:31

Good question. He did go down.

Kip 1:13:32

Well I I know he just went down

Theresa 1:13:36

Last week.

Kip 1:13:39

Did consult the Bible. Mm-hmm . <affirmative>

Theresa 1:13:41

Last week he was at negative 1,395.

Kip 1:13:45

Okay. I , okay. So not as far down as I suspected.

Theresa 1:13:49

No, he went down by 95 points. Um, he, let me see if I can find how he did. Um, he lost, he, he definitely like went up and down. Like it wasn't just like a straight like you suck. He went up a little bit and then he went down and then he went really down when he was just, I just don't really get the whole like, well clearly he's out to get me. It's like, okay,

Kip 1:14:14

My let it go

Theresa 1:14:14

Calm down like mm-hmm . <affirmative> , you don't know. You have no proof. You're wailing on this dude. Your kid is watching. Like that's

Kip 1:14:20

The part I hated when he was punching him and it's like, take a look at what your son is witnessing right now. Yeah . Like that's

Theresa 1:14:27

And like constantly witnessing. Exactly.

Kip 1:14:29

Screaming

Theresa 1:14:30

At lock . Yeah . You threatening to kill him like mm-hmm <affirmative> , these are the , this is the example that you're setting for your kid. Like, come on. Horrible.

Kip 1:14:38

So I think it's time for our own ratings. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm <affirmative> . I'll start 9.5.

Amanda 1:14:47

Whoa.

Kip 1:14:48

I love this episode. Wow. Yeah. No it's so good. Um, I , I don't know what it is. I can't really put it into words, but Sun and Jin episodes always just stand out for me. Always.

Theresa 1:14:59

They get you in all the areas.

Kip 1:15:01

That's why . Yeah . I think that's it. So that's all I can say.

Amanda 1:15:04

Well I will give it also a 9.5. I love Sun and episodes I love Sun. Um , which is why I'm a huge proponent of that being trace's character person that she has a little fandom for. Uh , the , the acting in this episode is so phenomenal. The storyline is phenomenal and like that , that scene at the beach at the end is Sun is so incredible and there's just not much more you can say about it.

Theresa 1:15:36

Uh , I'm giving it a 9.2. Um , unfortunately, as much as I love Sun and Jin and I love seeing their story and I love seeing that it's not so black and white that he's an and she's, you know, whatever. Um, I really, really, really, really hate Si and Shannon

Kip 1:15:54

<laugh>. Fair

Theresa 1:15:56

Enough. I hate them . So like I just, it ruins that like the episode a little bit for me cuz like , I don't , I don't need to see that. It's

Kip 1:16:02

Awful. I also just wanted to say before we go, um, that final scene or shot of sun , kind of having this freedom

Theresa 1:16:09

Yeah.

Kip 1:16:10

To let go touch the water and not have to worry about her dad or her husband or anybody telling her what to do was really

Theresa 1:16:18

Beautiful. Yeah. As much as she's upset about her relationship mm-hmm . <affirmative> there is like a lightness that she now feels Yeah . Which is nice. And I'm in my mind Michael's like in the, in the trees and he is like, oh . And then he is just walking toward her inappropriately

Kip 1:16:33

As maybe your top should fall off.

Theresa 1:16:35

<laugh> . Uh , I didn't , I didn't see anything, but let me keep coming closer. Yeah . I didn't see anything though.

Kip 1:16:39

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Amanda 1:17:12

Bye bye . Hi .