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Let's Get Lost 17 - Numbers
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Speaker 2Hey guys, and welcome back to Let's Get Lost with your favorite Oceanic trio. Amanda Kip and me. And today we're gonna be talking about episode 18 Numbers.
Speaker 3Good episode. Good episode.
Speaker 2New episode .
Speaker 3This , this is like probably one of the best episodes for like the mythology and like little Easter eggs for the people who've already been watching it.
Speaker 1So good?
Speaker 2Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 1Do you want me to give us synopsis?
Speaker 3Let's hear what it's about.
Speaker 1Okay . Numbers written by David Fury and Brent Fletcher, directed by Daniel ATAs . Michael begins building a new raft. He tells Jack that the chances of them being found while they're on the raft will be increased if they can send out a distress signal with the transer needing new batteries. Hurley remembers Saed mentioning that the French woman had batteries. He suggests that they try and find her while searching for Russo's layer. Hurley discovers that the island may be linked to a secret from his own past. I thought the , I thought the synopsis was going. That's why I started chuckling that Michael begins to tell Jack that the chances of them being found are very slim. So we need extra help. It's like, yep . That why are you building the raft thing?
Speaker 3Yeah. Well, on Disney Plus though, we, it's probably the best one yet. Okay . Hurley flashes back to life before he boarded the plane.
Speaker 1What? That's the
Speaker 3Snots . That's every episode. Every
Speaker 1Episode. <laugh> . My God . Just
Speaker 3Train , change out Hurley's name for another name and put that as the SOS for every and then you'll at least know what character it's centered on it .
Speaker 1That's hilarious.
Speaker 3Hi Cat .
Speaker 2I'm sure they just didn't know how to like summarize.
Speaker 3Oh
Speaker 1Well they did .
Speaker 2Yeah, but they wrote
Speaker 1It. Let's see what IMDB says. Oh boy . Hurley's is long. Oh, I mean IMDBs is long. When Hurley becomes obsessed with the French woman, he heads into the jungle to find her. Jack say , and Charlie have no choice but to follow. Meanwhile, Locke asks Claire to help him build a mysterious item. Actually it's pretty good. It's pretty
Speaker 3Good. Yeah . IMDB think is really where the it's at for the synopsis.
Speaker 1I just realized they list a whole bunch.
Speaker 3Oh, so they're like probably user.
Speaker 2Yeah. I think it depends
Speaker 1On who.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3<affirmative>. Okay, well let's get some trivia or like facts. Yeah.
Speaker 1Let's hear some
Speaker 3Facts. We are now at day 35 to 36 on the island.
Speaker 1Crazy.
Speaker 3The IMDB rating was nine outta 10.
Speaker 1Wow, that's huge. The highest IMDB rating yet?
Speaker 3Mm-hmm <affirmative> . I think we had a nine. I thought we had like a 9.2. I
Speaker 1Probably for Walk about was pretty high. I'm sure. Yeah .
Speaker 3But nonetheless, nine Outta 10 is a phenomenal rating. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, 18.85 million viewers. Wow. That's insane. The Sawyer nickname count was low, but there wasn't a ton of Sawyer in this. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm <affirmative> . So he called Walt right? Short round. Yeah . But someone has come for Sawyer's nickname <laugh> Mantle Holding thingy whatever Charlie nickname as well in this An entry for the nicknames. Colonel Bloody Kurts
Speaker 1Calls Hurley that. What is that? Well Colonel Kurts is from an old TV show, I think like, like when it's like a comedy. I think he plays a maniacal colonel . So he's like calling ear fun time Hurley or your colonel . Bloody Kurts. It's kinda like the opposite of each other I guess.
Speaker 3Okay. Um, so it's so funny to me. I was like, I don't think that's it.
Speaker 1<laugh> . Whoa . Well what is it?
Speaker 3Oh , I wasn't sure cuz like I was like, I think you're thinking of Schultz .
Speaker 1I don't
Speaker 3From Hogan's Heroes.
Speaker 1Well, who's Colonel Kurts then?
Speaker 3He's the guy from Lye now.
Speaker 2I never saw, I dunno what that is .
Speaker 1<laugh> .
Speaker 3He's so completely
Speaker 1In a way different . I was thinking of that. I think you were thinking of Hogan's Hogan's heroes. I was, yeah. Oh, that's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 3Cause I was like, Schulz that . Cause I thought that's what you were going with that I'm like, I used to watch Hogan's Heroes. That's so, and I've obviously seen Apocalypse Now. <laugh>
Speaker 2<laugh>
Speaker 3There . It's funny cuz he's terrifying and Apocalypse Now here
Speaker 1He funny. No , no.
Speaker 3<laugh> <laugh> .
Speaker 1No . He's awful.
Speaker 3Just for those people who who don't. I just didn't want it in the ether that people thought Kip thought Colonel Kurtz .
Speaker 1Well , it's from Ho
Speaker 3Apocalypse now. It's funny. It's like a comedy <laugh> .
Speaker 1You didn't think Apocalypse Now was hilarious.
Speaker 3Oh , I mean, yeah. But pretty great <laugh> there .
Speaker 1Okay . Theresa ,
Speaker 2I wanna be a part of it
Speaker 1<laugh> , because you have to see the movie. Okay. I'll read you guys some trivia . All right . Have you picked your new sound, Theresa ? No. Do you wanna think about it for five seconds?
Speaker 2No. Okay .
Speaker 1Question number one. What role on another television series got um , Jorge Garcia, his role on lost?
Speaker 3I think I just read this somewhere, but now I don't remember. Do
Speaker 2You do research before
Speaker 3The episode? I don't . Cheater . Sometimes I
Speaker 2Would You have read that somewhere recently? Recently?
Speaker 3I didn't . I was looking up something about Jorge Garcia. No.
Speaker 2Is that
Speaker 1Because this episode
Speaker 3Was coming up? No, I don't do research. I come in blind,
Speaker 2But I do , I read something recently .
Speaker 3Sometimes I'll be like looking at the actors or whatever or they're on like social media or, but you know what ? Know what, let's be real. I saw it in Shambala <laugh> and that's
Speaker 1Where I learned it. Exactly. Okay . For sure.
Speaker 3Um, anyway, I don't know .
Speaker 1Any guess Teresa ?
Speaker 2No. I don't know what he's done other than this. And like, you
Speaker 1Guys are going to lose your mind.
Speaker 2Oh , I met your mother. That's all I know.
Speaker 1Curb beer . Enthusiasm. No,
Speaker 3I do remember that
Speaker 1Episode. He plays a drug dealer.
Speaker 2Yeah. Yep .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 1Yep . And that's what got him this role. That's
Speaker 3Hilarious.
Speaker 1Really . And it's funny because in this episode he gets mistaken as a drug dealer.
Speaker 3Good connection.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm . <affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah .
Speaker 3I remember we just, we didn't watch that episode too long ago. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> the one
Speaker 1Where he So funny. When Larry's dad tries the pot. Oh my God. Love Curb. Curb .
Speaker 3The
Speaker 1Next podcast . Yeah. All right . Which major lost producer is the newscaster that says That's right. Mary Jo
Speaker 3Dun dun dun dun . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Is it JJ Abrams?
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2Is it Carlton Cue ?
Speaker 1Correct. But you didn't give your sound a
Speaker 2Is it Carlton
Speaker 1Q ?
Speaker 3Correct. Nice. Okay.
Speaker 1Okay , last question. Currently, Teresa's winning when nothing.
Speaker 2Amanda , his mean mug at me right now.
Speaker 1<laugh> an early version of Hurley's. Backstory. Had him as a world class blank.
Speaker 3I have no idea Tracy's gonna take this
Speaker 2One. No, I don't. It could be anything.
Speaker 3I'm
Speaker 1At the round, the round.
Speaker 2A world class something.
Speaker 1Yeah. I mean, you're right. It could be anything. Yeah .
Speaker 2Literally
Speaker 1Repo man . I wonder how that would've gone.
Speaker 3Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And other than that, he just works at the chicken place. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and is now a billionaire millionaire. There
Speaker 1Are so many connections in this episode. That's why I love this episode so much.
Speaker 3I know. It's so good.
Speaker 2Connections.
Speaker 3There's just, there's a lot in this episode. That is just everything. But before we get to that, we have to get to, to
Speaker 1The dream of conscious
Speaker 2Also. Okay, well that's a little ridiculous, Michael, to have someone watching 24 7. Why is science so mad today? What you looking at h Oh dear it e gins. Hold on your hats. Friends for 8, 15, 16, 24, 2 16th week without a winner also. Harley is adorable. It's nice that say isn't yelling at Hurley right now though. Eight on the microphone. Oh my God. We should make this a drinking game anytime you see it. Four years ago, rest he earned and now he's gonna rest forever. What you doing Hurley? Uh , their friendship is so cute. Still. What's up? Lock . Wow . Everyone's just chilling and chatting today and lock's such a sweetheart. Declare the only person so far other than Charlie. Everyone's just here today though. Except not everyone. I guess. Why is Syed so angry at Jack? Why is everyone so mad? It's a brand new day. It's beautiful out and you're still stuck on that island. I really hate Saed and Shannon. Aren't y'all already? I mean, I guess you're not really dating cuz she should know where to go, but like of course she's worried. What a stupid questioned, remember when hums were a thing and they're huge? Ew. Someone got struck by lightning Man. All of this is just unfortunate. Oh , I just realized that Hurley is actually good for the money that he owes Walt <laugh> . That's a great house, but ew. Oh my God. That snap though is so triggering of her ankle. You know what? That's legit so much. Bad luck. Holy crap. Wait, what is happening right now? Why is he being arrested? Wait, did was the cable on the island always just on the surface like that? Or was it like at least a little buried? Was it attached to, does Herley not know Russo's name? Why does he keep calling her the French lady? A box company walk another fire. Eight people died. She, that's, that's rush stuff . Hurley . Wait, it's what? Hurley cursed. Oh my God. Did someone just jump off the building? You know what? That really has nothing to do with you . I think that's just coincidence. Oh, what's Sawyer reading another book for Amanda to not read. Everyone's just always yelling now, unfortunately, son . Yeah, I think he's gonna leave. I think that's why he's helping with the raft thing. Oh, is that bees? Are we gonna have another awkward comment about Kate's chest? No, it's a rotting bore. Why didn't she take it down? Is Russ okay, now what's the , how did they catch up to Hurley so fast? You know what? He's gonna get s shish kebabbed . You know, Charlie's being a little rude about Harley's weight. There's something very comedic about Harley being potentially skewered and they're all getting mad at him for some reason. Again, why is Saed so mad? I don't understand. I feel like this maintenance man at this psych hospital doesn't understand how he needs to bring the ladder closer instead of reaching off like that. Hi Leonard always playing connect or , oh, that's so creepy. He's just repeating the numbers. Oh no. And now he stopped. Opened What box? Pandora's box. The numbers box. The hatch box is the hatch of box . It doesn't stop. What doesn't stop? What are we getting away from? Who's Sam to me? I don't love when he yelled Australia. Um, it's on the ground. Did we know that? Did did we know that the cable leads into the ground? Oh my god. A bridge. This is my literal nightmare. I don't wanna watch this. Also, how do you build a rope bridge like this? How do you get it to the other side? Harley, what the is this coincidence? Oh, Jack's got a nice arm. Did we know this? I'm unwell at this scene. The bo the bridge doesn't even have another railing to hold onto . But look at Harley's cute little smile. He's gonna give them all a hard attack. Charlie, again, being rude about his weight. You know, I really wish we didn't get these scenes from above. Looking down into the ravine. Well , where they're gonna die. Oh my God, Charlie, be careful. Well, this is a fantastic idea. We've split the group up between Charlie and Harley and then the doctor and Saed . Okay? This is a very remote place to live. Does everyone know about these numbers? Okay, so there was a listening post monitoring long range post out of the Pacific. Are we talking about the island? 16 years ago? I really wanna ask Chris about this lady's accent. Something about it really rubs me the wrong way. Ugh . These numbers are so creepy. Oh, I wanna see a record of what, uh , Sam was keeping track of. Oh, I see. So that's why there's so far out there. You know what, Hurley don't go ma'am. Why are you still living out here? Also, what's lock building? You made glue from rendered animal fat. I'd like to inquire as to how and how did you know how to do that? Also not where I thought you were going with lock Claire . I didn't think you were gonna say a home building show. Maybe a survival show would make more sense. You know, throw him in the middle of nowhere and see how well he does. You know, I did wonder if you remembered anything. We feel like we haven't addressed that in a while . You know, Locke is very wise. Also, what is this screaming? Is that a bird or is it a human? And what, where did the explosives come from? That's dangerous. Wait, was that her home? Did she just blow up her own house? Where is she? Where's she living? You know, it's, it's very elaborate. Um, how did they meet up? Like how did the four these people meet up if they're on different sides of sides of a valley, canyon? I don't know who's shooting at them. Even. I swear this jungle is just getting more and more dangerous every day . Okay. Russo's . Okay. But she's also trying to kill him, you know, if she doesn't know either. Oh , this poor guy. He's gone so far to figure it out. Also, I love the idea of a off giraffe being the smoke monster. The look on Russo's face though. Okay, so the numbers seem to attract people. And what's that realization on her face? Why? Oh, okay. I see the numbers brought you here and him here. So what's happening? So you're kind of looking a little murdery. Oh , but she's allowing h to hug her and the relief on his face. I can't, you know, every time I see a round that every time I see that around Jack's neck, I'm just like, ugh . For god's sake. Not the gums. You know, Hurley, I think you're the mvp. You're so cash . Wait, why do we need this battery again? I don't remember. You know, it's nice to see some, some other folks getting to roam around. Oh, it's for Michael. Wait, why Again? You know what I wanna know is do we trust animal flat fat glue to do what it's supposed to do? Happy birthday, Claire. Uh, I don't know the date. I hope you all know the date. I can't figure it out anymore. But this thing is so cute. I love that he was building it fur and now bonus , it's a birthday present. But also, do we trust animal glue to hold the baby up the end?
Speaker 1Um, yeah, I would trust animal glue. I think that's what glue is.
Speaker 2Is it?
Speaker 3Yes.
Speaker 2Glue is , I don't know. I only know what , is that what white glue
Speaker 1Is? Well , I think maybe not anymore , but
Speaker 3That's how it started. Yeah .
Speaker 2Oh , I don't know. Mine
Speaker 3With horses, that was part of the problem. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> was that really bad glue expression that they're gonna send them
Speaker 1To the glue factory, to
Speaker 3The blue factory. What? What? You've never heard that?
Speaker 2Like No.
Speaker 3What? Like when a horse goes away or it's bad and it's like , I'm gonna send you the glue factory.
Speaker 2I'm sorry. What?
Speaker 1That's how they made glue. That's ,
Speaker 3That's
Speaker 2An expression . Are you serious?
Speaker 1Yes. Welcome to the horrible history of how our treatment of animals.
Speaker 2That's awful glue. Oh
Speaker 1My God. But I mean
Speaker 2Horse, like horse glue.
Speaker 3Ugh . Anyway, sorry to have brought that to you.
Speaker 2Yeah. Here I ended on like a nice note. You know, we built her a cradle. Oh , that's a beautiful way though . I was a little bit concerned about the, you know, integrity and now you're telling me that horse glue is a thing. So that's,
Speaker 3Well I think it's also gonna go on the ground. So it's not, it's more so it doesn't roll away the baby <laugh> . So the integrity, I don't think it does
Speaker 2Well initially I didn't realize it was, it was
Speaker 1So short. Well , you , so it doesn't , you
Speaker 3Go away. If you put it in there like a box and then you hope that the baby doesn't roll away,
Speaker 2Why wouldn't you just dig like a little kind like
Speaker 1A
Speaker 2Grave sand crater , A little crater of the
Speaker 1Sand . Why wouldn't you dig a hole in the ground to put your baby in ? Oh ,
Speaker 2Look like a little crater to like, kind of , maybe that's
Speaker 3What the pot was before this, you know, creepy.
Speaker 2Because they didn't have, they didn't have a cradle. Now that they do, it's okay . I like someone saying that the baby's gonna rolling around .
Speaker 3I like cradle. I don't like that.
Speaker 2What , what do you call it ?
Speaker 1Bass . You don't like the word cradle?
Speaker 3No, I don't like it.
Speaker 2Why?
Speaker 3I don't know . It sounds creepy. Likes it's like an old nursery rhyme or horror movie or something. Like the baby's in the cradle, the
Speaker 1Bay, they sent the cradle.
Speaker 2I was thinking about cradle to the grave ,
Speaker 3Thinking
Speaker 2About that . And then I was thinking about how you have a problem with the cradle. And then I was saying like, let's just take a hole with the baby to put in . You said it was a grave . I was
Speaker 1Like cradle to the grave . <laugh> .
Speaker 2It's actually the same. It's just a , a hole in gra . Yeah .
Speaker 3Wow. That's a lot. There's a lot happening . It's ,
Speaker 1We took a turn there. So thank you Teresa . Um, and
Speaker 3Before we get too much into dissecting some of the finer points of Theresa's stream of consciousness and the episode, and the episode at large, we need to bring in Dan for Dan's hot take. Now it's
Speaker 1Not for Dan's hot take
Speaker 2Case. Now that we have Daniel with
Speaker 4Us , uh , what'd you think of the episode coming off the heels of the , I would say the last really good. I , I don't know if that's the highest episode, the last one, the eight and a half that I gave for episode 17. But I would say this is another good episode. These ones go closely hand in hand . Maybe it's because we watched them closer together than, uh , some of the past ones. But I really do feel that these two episodes did well together. They paired well. And actually a lot of the questions that I had in the previous episode, surprisingly got answered by this episode. Um, I don't know, maybe someone can tell me. Was this some sort of like mid-season finale or before a break? Cause it just, okay . Just seemed that these two episodes asked or were answered a lot of the burning questions that I've had so far this season. So that makes me very fond of these two episodes. And right off the bat, returning to the bunker storyline, I thought that was really, really good. And it was about time, but again, it wasn't, I wouldn't say that to knock on the the writers because I thought this was the natural time. Cuz just last episode, I thought what happens with the bunker boom gets addressed. I did laugh though, when Hurley wins the lottery and then immediately buys a Hummer or, that's what's implied because this was again, one of those moments that quickly aged the show. Not necessarily in a bad way, but it , I I'm just commenting that it , it aged the show because it's like, is there more of an epitome of like 2000 new money or, um, kinda Yeah. That , that , that , that was good. Now Hurley believing that he might be cursed. At first I was thinking, mm , I don't, I don't know where this storyline's going and I don't know if I'd like it. And by the end I would say good job. I actually have that right in my notes. Like very good job to the story. Um, because first when he's being cursed and some of the stuff's happening, it's almost like a comedy. Um , and so it's hard to believe that this is even, um, like a , a real backstory. Especially because this is Hurley's first backstory being shared. I just kept thinking like, is this actually happening? Like, people are falling outta windows when he is into his office. And, but once they started to I think change it to like even the things that he was profiting off of, like with his stocks and his company, he's profiting, but other people are paying the price. So I think they did a good job of, of turning it into this where the viewer really does ask, you know, what is going on with these numbers? And then for it actually not , not that it gets resolved, but further for there to be a storyline that gets so well addressed in one episode. This was it. This was probably one of the, it it kind of appears. And then we do get a little bit of resolution by the end of it, which I, which I appreciated cuz sometimes you need that you don't like, yes, these are long seasons. You want those stretched out storylines and there is a place for that. But there is also a place for these, you know, satisfactions because this was a weekly episode where you needed some sort of satisfaction to draw you back to go to the next time. And can't always be cliff hangers. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm <affirmative>. I did laugh. Sawyer refusing to help with the raft building. I hope he gets some flack by this Oceanic three because I feel like if that was another unnamed character, <laugh> , there would be so many word daggers thrown their way. Now can I also just ask, has anyone else noticed Jack's hair?
Speaker 5Not really, no . What do you mean
Speaker 4Jack's hair? And I've noticed in this, in a couple of the episodes, I think he started graying as they were shooting this because it goes back and forth between, he has like lots of salt and pepper, like quite a bit of gray coming in. And then this episode boom, it's like almost back to like pure black hair. Um , his facial hair is quite a bit of gray in it, but it just seemed to be this thing that I don't know if the , if they were struggling with him aging, um , as he was writing this show. But that's something that I, um, that I noticed. I do like this idea that the, the island might be an epicenter of bad fortune. Um , and maybe that's what they first initially think of it as. Because I think by the end of the episodes we do get some resolution to this idea of maybe it is not a curse, but it is this thing that they've been destined to find out. And unfortunately some people haven't made it to this point to find out it has driven the mad or it has driven them to, um, you know, to death. But, uh , I think that there is something to be said for, you know, this , this first notion of that maybe the island is this kind of episode of or , uh , epicenter of bad luck. But maybe it's starting to shift and maybe as they come together as a group. And now speaking of the group, I also asked myself if I was Danielle would, knowing there's other people on the island, would I have stayed away? And my first answer was no. Like of course you'd want like , like I thought this is stupid. Why would she keep herself away from a group of people that are fellow, um , not shipwrecks, but but fellow survivors on this deserted island. So why would she not want, you know, strength , numbers, safety, all these things. But then I realized, no, she's been on this island quite a while and even I think the most social of people, by the time someone would arrive, you might be just totally okay with living on your own and , and , and you, you know, your world, you know, your kind of corner of the jungle. And so I just, I kind of toy with that, like would she or wouldn't she? And I guess obviously she hasn't, um , because she stays, but this kind of softening of her character through Hurley and it's Hurley just being honest, like as crazy as it sounds, he's just, you know, you can tell that he just all of a sudden lays it all out about these numbers and it clicks with her. And so you kind of have this, you know, conundrum or this, um, you know, kind of funny bit that what brings Hurley and Danielle together is this just opening up of what other people might not understand or , or might think as as crazy. And I really like how the , how the writers have played with that. So, you know, kudos to them again for, for another good episode. And I'm, I'm looking forward to seeing, you know, what come comes up next now finishing it off with, you know, just the heartwarming story of Locke building the cradle. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> for Claire. I thought that was really nice because just the last episode when I saw Claire and she was sitting on the beach, I thought, geez , she still hasn't given birth. Like, it just seems like she's been pregnant forever, not realizing that, you know, it's only been what a month thing on the island at this point. So, you know, she is getting ready to, to give birth at any day. So thinking that, you know, it is nice that they're acknowledging that it's advancing that it is coming up. Cuz obviously that's gonna happen and uh, you know, quite soon. So , so good unlock for just being a good person and just, you know, understanding. And I think that's, that's a , a type of storyline that I also dislike is that, you know , these people have tons of time on their hands. Like yes, they're hunting food and yes, there's like, but at the end of the day they have a lot of time to fill. And so it's nice when they can fill it by helping each other with, with things that they can help with and and play to their strengths. And for Locke , that's obviously with his hands and he's a very brilliant and skilled person. So kudos, kudos to Locke . Mm-hmm .
Speaker 1<affirmative>, lots of kudos from you at this time, this episode. What would you rank it?
Speaker 4I would give this one an maybe about like an 8.3. I would say just slightly lower than the last one. The last, the last one was really, um, no, you know what? I think I'll just give it an 8.5 cuz I just thought the , the , the , the number storyline is really strong and it's in its own right. A very good, um , balance to, to the last episode, episode 17. So yeah, eight , 8.5 for
Speaker 1Both. Wow. Thank you very much. Dan. You are starting to love this show, I think. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> .
Speaker 4Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . It's thawing.
Speaker 1Thank you. Thank you,
Speaker 3Thank you. So we have to get into it, but this, I think we have to say from the beginning that this is like a very, um, what's the word? Like iconic. Yeah,
Speaker 1I was gonna say iconic.
Speaker 3This is an iconic lost episode for people who haven't watched or who this episode means a ton to the fandom mm-hmm . <affirmative> mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And uh , the numbers is something that I think has been equated with lost forever. Yeah , exactly. And uh , so this is really the first glimpse you get at , at what they mean and, well, not even really,
Speaker 1But not what they mean but like, uh ,
Speaker 3Effect it has on everyone.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm .
Speaker 3<affirmative> . So I think it's kind of fun. This is one of our first big, like nods to that. Everything else has been a lot more subtle.
Speaker 1And do you think like it was a Hurley episode, do you think that was cuz he's the last major character to get a backstory? Correct. And do you think that was purposeful because it's very, like you just said, it's more sort of in your face with the island connections. Like, I mean they make a very clear connection to Hurley in the island mm-hmm.
Speaker 3<affirmative>. Yeah. I think because we'd have to have Hurley, we'd have to know about the numbers mm-hmm . <affirmative> and what they mean to Hurley to have Hurley's backstory. Yeah . And I don't think we were ready for that. Yeah . Before about this point. I still, there is a part of me when I look back on it, and we can probably talk more about this on Spoiler Island, but I really struggle with like, whether we needed, and I'd have to look it a little bit closer if we needed that extra Sawyer episode and that extra, I think there's an extra Kate episode mm-hmm . <affirmative> and I don't know that we do. Um, I would've liked to have seen every character get their own before, before
Speaker 1There's even some like secondaries. Yeah.
Speaker 3Like second
Speaker 1Episodes.
Speaker 3I , I think there's a reason quite honestly, the hatch is going to play a huge role in next episode. So that kinda makes a little bit of sense as well.
Speaker 1You needed to have Curly's backstory close to that story of the hatch. So the numbers were revealed and had they revealed the numbers way back before the second backstory started coming, it , it would've lost some of its oof mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like some of it's sort of like wow factor. So it's kind of funny because you get to realize that, like you said there , Hurley is good for the $58,000 that he owes, uh , Walt and he , I think he says that in one of the earlier episodes when he is playing like, don't worry dude, I'm good for it. Yeah . Which is hilarious.
Speaker 3And we get that right off the beginning. Um, we see right from the beginning of his backstory that he's won this lotto and it's with the numbers and I think this is the first time you see the numbers altogether.
Speaker 1I think so. I I think it is. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then you see it a lot this episode, you see it on his lotto ticket, you see it on the notes from Saed that got from Russo . You see it on the hatch, you hear it from the the guy. So yeah. Like it really gets drilled into us this episode for obvious reasons. But that's the beginning of the 4, 8, 15, 23, no , 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 42. Where it's so funny because like there's a few lost, um, Facebook groups that we're in and in the states when while we're recording this, there was like one of the largest, I think the actually the largest jackpot in like the United States history was like a billion dollars . Oh my gosh . Or something ridiculous, like it was higher than a billion dollars. And so many people played that, those numbers. And it's just like if that they actually called those numbers, it would be split between like every single lost fan <laugh>
Speaker 3Did it actually get like $20?
Speaker 1Exactly. Yeah .
Speaker 3No, it's so funny because yeah. The numbers are so synonymous with the fandom. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Yeah . And they, and the thing, what I like about it is, so at this point we have had little glimpses of it. We try to point them out sometimes where we can, but, and then we now have this idea of kind of what they mean in the sense that they're what Hurley won the lottery for. We don't know what they mean to the island yet other than the fact that they're on the hatch and it's going to mean a lot of different things at different points. Yeah . Um , and just become a thread, a thread that we can all kind of Yeah . Rely on. And so it's really cool because the best part about it is that it's, it's pretty deep mythos tied in with one of the most like likable light characters. Mm-hmm .
Speaker 1<affirmative> Agreed. And cuz it's, you're right. Like usually it's the very flawed, very, um , deep, I'm not saying hurley's not deep, but like as far as characters go so far, he's probably the least deep and certainly not flawed other than um,
Speaker 3Being cursed apparently
Speaker 1<laugh> . Yeah. Right. Like there's really nothing. And so to have that real, real heavy mythology associated with him is, is kind of going against the grain of what we would typically see. Which is, which is interesting. Something that the show does quite often. <laugh> goes against the grain
Speaker 3And it's kind of interesting like, so you see that Hurley, so kind of just going through his backstory, we see that he wins the lottery and then we start to see these bad things happening to him . And at the end of the day, like you can say what you want, but bad things are happening to him. His grandfather dies, he's arrested by the police, the house burns down and this and that. But what I think they're getting at and what becomes clear is that, and he clearly accepts is that the curse affects people around him. Yeah . Mm-hmm . <affirmative> but not him. And so he's kind of become, and it's almost interesting because you can see kind of even looking back now that there's like a calmness to him throughout this whole thing where he kind of accepts that he's gonna be okay. He's
Speaker 1Fine. Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah . Right. Because even with that like, you know, kind of jam them all together, they're not overly deep. So I think we can kind of get through his backstory pretty easily. But even when that factory, sneaker factory of his burned down account , he got this like amazing payout. So like the idea is that bad things are happening around him because of him, but not too him , not too
Speaker 1Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . And that's why he's so calm when he's going through the , the jungle. Why he has no problem taking this track on his own, finding the thing. I'll just jump out of the way of that, of that thing. Don't worry, it's not gonna get me. I'll just cross the bridge, this rickety old bridge. No big deal. I'm not gonna fall. Don't worry about it. Like he's accepted this like that. He'll be , he'll be just fine. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Right . And so yeah, it's, it's a neat storyline. And obviously the further we go into, um, Hurley over the series, you hear more of his storyline. Like he references I'm happy to provide for my family after winning the lottery because, you know, I've put them through some rough times lately. So we, we do get to learn what that was about, which is good. I really didn't care for Charlie in this episode.
Speaker 2He was really mean. Everything was about him, like mm-hmm . <affirmative> his weight and it just like, it was kind of a , and he was like always yelling at him
Speaker 1And I know he treated her like a piece of. Like , I really didn't care for Charlie in this episode. Even in that final scene. Like he gets mad at him. It's like, well Harley doesn't owe you anything. Also why? Like , why are you so entitled that you think, you know, like you , you need to get this information from Hurley. And even in , oh yeah, Charlie just me off this episode
Speaker 2And I just, I don't love how many times like Charlie would like interrupt him to like either yell at him or like whatever . And it's just
Speaker 1Like, I know
Speaker 3Charlie's not a good friend. He's
Speaker 2Supposed to be like besties. Like, so it's kind of sad that like he kind of, he's like, don't do it. You're not spry . What is he talking about? It's like if Hurley can get on the bridge, like obviously
Speaker 1I'm gonna be able to do it .
Speaker 2And I was like, well that's rude. Like
Speaker 1No , you , when
Speaker 2You were on it,
Speaker 3Call them lunatic nuts. Yeah . Like everything multiple times. Like it's just so
Speaker 1Rude. Yeah, exactly. You know , it was not good.
Speaker 3So it , it is interesting because I think that there is kind of a, like, what's the word? Like stereotype about like people winning the lottery and being cursed. Yeah . But to Hurley, it doesn't seem to be the money that he's concerned about. It's the numbers. Yeah . Um , and so the numbers become an obsession of his to figure out where they came from all this stuff. And I don't know if that's because people keep asking him where he got them from and he knows that there's really not a good reason for it mm-hmm . <affirmative> or what, but I found it very interesting that like he doesn't consider the money to be the curse. No . But how he got the money to be the curse.
Speaker 1And that's the thing, like, like you say, when people in the lottery, they often say they , the money's cursed either like they lose it all real quick or people come outta the woodwork and mm-hmm . <affirmative> , you know, that they've never heard of or haven't heard of in years and now they want piece of the money and blah blah blah. But no, he's doing right with his money and he really could care less. Like if he's making more money when his accountant tells him he's doing so well mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But, um, yeah, everything around him is , is feeling cursed and cuz like why would he want to tell people where it came from? He's not gonna tell people that he was in a, um, I don't know what the term is, like a rehab facility for people with mental illness. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , like I don't really know what the term is for that now. Like in old movies they would've call it an insane asylum. Right.
Speaker 3But I think it's just like a , I think it's referred to in there it's like a mental
Speaker 1Institution. Yeah . Mental psychiatric facility. Yeah. Right. And so like yeah, he doesn't want to tell people that, oh, when I was at this psychiatric facility as a patient I heard some other person the number like
Speaker 2Repeatedly
Speaker 1<laugh> . So yeah , it's , it's uh , how's he gonna explain that?
Speaker 3But I just, I , I don't know like what did you guys think he was looking for? Like what this is, I always have this question when people become like in any way and like, you know, even in day to day life on a like smaller scale, like my question always for people who are like looking for these like insane answers or looking for certain things in life is like what are you gonna do once you get it? Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . So like what does , what do you think Hurley thinks finding out the meaning of these numbers is gonna do for him?
Speaker 1I think he thinks it's gonna stop what he believes to be a curse
Speaker 3If he can figure out where, yeah .
Speaker 1I think that's what's in his mind that once he figures out where the numbers come from or he can get some answers to what they mean, it'll stop the so-called curse and people will stop having bad things happen to them around him. Yeah . That's what I think.
Speaker 3Well and I, you know, it's funny cuz I think that's true as well, but I honestly just think it's what, and we're really jumping around now mm-hmm <affirmative> , but I really think what he's looking for is exactly what Danielle gives him at the end.
Speaker 1Oh yeah.
Speaker 3Which is just simply to be validated in the fact that this has brought him misery
Speaker 2And he's not crazy
Speaker 3And that he's not crazy.
Speaker 1Totally .
Speaker 3And I think that's really beautiful. Mm-hmm <affirmative> , <affirmative> . Um, and that , that's a very beautiful scene that we're like I said, jumping around, but it's hard kind of with his, his flash for this episode, the flashbacks are very integral to kind of the storyline. Right? Yeah . Whereas sometimes I think like we've talked about that Charlie episode where you don't really get what we're getting at until the end. Another person who has had two .
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But I'm necessarily
Speaker 1And like basically the same.
Speaker 2Yeah. Yeah. We didn't we
Speaker 3Get it Charlie you had a drug problem. Yeah . And you're flawed. And
Speaker 2Um, I do think we needed it to be a little bit, um, we needed to have this episode a little bit later. I think like all the other episodes kind of wrap up kind of like some of the basic stuff like it's been a month mm-hmm. <affirmative> and like obviously we know something's going on, but we need something to like bring us back to that because we've had some pretty random kind of issues, you know, with Ethan and mm-hmm . <affirmative> , all this other stuff. So I think to just bring it back to like you said, like the island mystery, um, I think we needed to have it be a little bit later because there's just so much going on already. Like if you had that going on too, like I think it would be overwhelming.
Speaker 1Way overwhelming. Exactly. Yeah. And I mean it kind of reveals the connection to the hatch. So clearly the hatch is gonna be coming up as uh , a major plot point . It's coming back. So let's go back to some of Harley's flashbacks. Um, he finds out that um, the guy in the psychiatric hospital worked with a guy mm-hmm . <affirmative> and that's where he got the numbers from. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . So he worked with a guy who was Australian but they , or maybe he was American cuz they worked for the military mm-hmm . <affirmative> and they worked at a outpost monitoring radio frequencies or whatever. So this was the tower or we , we find out that that's coming from the island. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , that's an interesting tidbit because it means that people can pick up something from the island because these people like the Sam to me , to me or to me and the , the guy from the hospital heard the numbers being broadcast from the island. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3<affirmative> about 16 years ago. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1<affirmative>.
Speaker 3And so that's interesting because it's also around the 16 years ago that
Speaker 2Russo ,
Speaker 3Russo could no longer or Russo's , I shouldn't say no longer, but Russo's signal was not getting out. Yeah . Or so we think that's very interesting because you have to ask yourself, is Russo's signal getting out and it's being like jammed in some way? Or how did they hear the numbers or is there a different way to do it? I mean , or has something happened? They
Speaker 2Did say that it was static until one day. Yeah. The numbers just kept like repeating or whatever. I mean Yeah, I guess you're right. There are like small details that like you don't really think about that are just like kind of passing and then you're like ,
Speaker 1Well yeah, there's like the Russo mentions that about um, how she changed the numbers to her distress call. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and then that's we've, I mean that's what brought Hurley to Australia. Like yes the numbers did, but trying to find this Sam Tomi guy who, who later find out that he committed suicide, um, and he was having the same bad luck that Hurley was like all the people around he figured were getting hurt. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and his wife basically tells her that there's no such thing as a curse. Like that happens all the time. You know, it has nothing to do with the numbers. Clearly not what Hurley believes.
Speaker 2I mean to be honest, I'm kind of like, what do you guys , if you were Hurley, would you believe it was a curse or would you believe that's just life? Honestly it
Speaker 1Would be hard to ignore all of that going
Speaker 3Around a hundred percent. Especially when like it'd be one thing if he kind of had a life and then like it kind of like just got worse and then you'd be like, look, the money has not made it better and like it's made like , you know, like more money, more problems. But it sounds like, or looks like he had like a pretty stable whatever. Yeah . And now we have
Speaker 1Yeah. It'd be impossible to disassociate it I think.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1What about you?
Speaker 2Um, yeah, I would think it was a curse cuz like the money's not causing the problems. Right. Like it's not like he,
Speaker 1They're not financial problems he's
Speaker 2Having No, yeah. Like it's like stuff having like someone getting struck by lightning <laugh> is like already pretty rare. So for that to happen on the heels of your grandfather dying and your cousin, you know, having this happen to him and then the house burning down even though there's no one living in there. Yeah . Right. And then, you know, I mean the blindfolded one like yeah I could probably say like that's probably a co you blindfolded someone on the curb on the Yeah . <laugh> on the street near a curb. Like Yeah. But also you wouldn't snap your ankle like that. Like you would roll your ankle and be like, ow you wouldn't hear a
Speaker 1Snap. Yeah. You know, some of those things are a bit tinier.
Speaker 2Yeah. But like you wouldn't Yeah I would , I would definitely think it was some kind of curse cuz like that's just, and I mean I always say this to you about like, you know Grey's Anatomy where the odds of all of these things happening in someone's lifetime are so unrealistic. Like there's no way. And I think that's the same for Hurley . Like you're talking about a span of maybe like weeks, months. That's a lot of bad, bad stuff to happen. I
Speaker 3Think it's been a little bit longer than that because like I don't think he would've had such an impressive stock profile that fast . But I think within a year like like you said , that's
Speaker 2Still a lot. Like that's a lot. Oh for sure .
Speaker 3It's brutal.
Speaker 1Okay. So
Speaker 3I mean I don't believe in curses though.
Speaker 1No, me neither. But my goal ,
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1Kind of admits that his raft idea is garbage by saying we're not really gonna be able to find anybody or no one's gonna be able to find us on this raft so maybe we need to transer . It's like Yeah , yeah, exactly. Because it's not a great idea.
Speaker 2Yeah. Maybe also why are you just bringing this up now after the first one went up in flames so you didn't think about it sooner? Come on. Exactly. Get outta here.
Speaker 1So that's kind of what causes the whole like track is they want to find a battery and Roo soap apparently had a bunch of batteries.
Speaker 2To me that's like, that's how you know that I just like anytime Michael speaks, I just don't pay attention because like at the end I was like, oh is that why Hurley went out there for a battery? Like
Speaker 1What was , well that's not why Hurley went out there, but that's why
Speaker 2That's what like triggered it all.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2But that's what I mean. Like I just straight up like did not, as you heard something I was like, why aren't they here? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> battery , like can someone explain to me like what was SI's deal?
Speaker 1What do you mean? Because
Speaker 2He just seemed to be like, he was so angry when they were like, hey, like we want to go see Russo .
Speaker 1Well I think he was just upset because it was kind of a horrible experience for him. Like she tortured him. Yes. They kind of ended on, I guess you could say quote unquote good terms. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . But she's, he , he just kind of thinks she's kinda lost her marbles in her own weird little world. And also he heard those whispers and probably doesn't want to revisit that cuz he has no idea what that was.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean, but they're not asking him to go with him. They're asking for like the stuff so that they could go themselves. Like why ? I just don't understand. I feel like he was just very in your face about stuff. Like kind of almost unnecessarily. Like even after he talks to Hurley, um, he like goes up to, he like storms up to Jack and he's like , you are gonna get Hurley to do your dirty work for you. And he is like, what are you
Speaker 1Talking about? Also Hurley accost sight in the middle of the night, which is kind of like angry
Speaker 3In this episode. It's
Speaker 2Actually very angry. I feel like Shannon is, they're not sleeping the same tent. Well it's new, you know, it's
Speaker 1New Teresa . I don't know . I expect for them to be sleeping in the same 10 .
Speaker 2Well, where is she sleeping? She don't sleep with Boone.
Speaker 3I'm not , where has Boone been?
Speaker 1He's been missing.
Speaker 3We haven't seen Boone in episodes.
Speaker 1We haven't really?
Speaker 3I think we saw him briefly. Yeah, he told Saed that but they're not using in Summer Halter appropriately.
Speaker 1No, don't tell me about it. I
Speaker 3Know that you would be , I'm not sure how appropriate it would be, but <laugh> .
Speaker 1Yeah and I mean like, so Hurley like we are , we were kind of saying before that this episode is a bit tough to talk about because like it's definitely one of my favorite episodes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But it's hard as a viewer who's seen everything mm-hmm . <affirmative> to go into things about it without any spoilers.
Speaker 3For
Speaker 1Sure. So at the end of the day we, we get introduced to these numbers which play a huge role in the rest of the show and we , we see Hurley's backstory learn he's a millionaire. Like and then some, but also how cute was the lock and Claire story? Oh
Speaker 3My god. I cried. Yeah . I cry every time I see it. It's just, it's so cute. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> even how he gets her involved in it. I know he's trying to give her , cuz he could also like, let's just think about it this way. The big reveal at the end is that he's built her a cradle or crib, whatever you wanna call it, but like he could have just also just handed her that .
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3It's also sweet. Like that alone would've been a DOPs . Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Absolutely. But the fact that he brought her and, and , and got her involved and talked to her about what's going on. Yeah . She had to open up a little bit to him and and feel a part of something. Again, that to me is almost as good a gift as the actual cradle
Speaker 1In . Agreed. And why do I feel like he actually kind of knew it was her birthday?
Speaker 3I also felt that,
Speaker 1I don't know how maybe he's spying on the passports, but it was really cute. It was like a gift for her. But like you say Amanda, the gift was just this interaction and she wasn't feeling like just this sort of like taking time bomb on the beach. Mm-hmm .
Speaker 3<affirmative> .
Speaker 1Yeah . It was really sweet. I agree . I cried too when he said happy birthday Claire.
Speaker 3I know. And she's just so cheesed and just like thank you And and the reality like I feel like even if he didn't know it was her birthday, I do feel like he had a sense about the fact that she wasn't going to keep the baby and if this was a normal course of it. Yeah . Cause I think that's the other thing is I think he's helping her kind of like nest, right? Yeah . And get ready for the fact that like this baby's coming and it's gonna be fine. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and we're all here for you. Like it just, it has so many like nuanced meanings behind it. I that it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1That's so sweet.
Speaker 3It's so sweet . I have a feeling I don't wanna get outta myself that Locke may have kept his his number one spot this week .
Speaker 1Mm . Yeah. And I'm curious
Speaker 3Like, because that alone is just like after coming off like he's taking care of everyone, you
Speaker 1Know? Exactly. He is, he's really leaning into that caretaker role right now where he's the fatherly figure of the castaways and they're all just a bunch of rambunctious children. He has to corral them and teach them. Teach them lessons. Lessons about
Speaker 2Life.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3So it's, it's interesting cuz like there was some sort of Reddit that you sent. Oh boy. Not too long. I'm
Speaker 2Just like, well I'm like where are you going with
Speaker 3This? Where ? Cuz I think that Locke is one of those characters that most people love.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, he definitely is.
Speaker 2It's just funny because in the beginning we're like what a great boy band . I know Eaten is orange in a weird way.
Speaker 1<laugh> . But you know what, for those listening you can't give us flack for not reacting to the show and changing our opinions. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Right . Because at the beginning of this show we were very anti-lock because he was weird and , and we learned about him and we grew to love Lock and now we love lock.
Speaker 2Exactly.
Speaker 3Absolutely.
Speaker 2And I , I think that's what I like is like each one of these characters is like what you see in the first episode and what you see now in like episode 18 is not exactly what you thought it was, you know? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3<affirmative>. Mm-hmm
Speaker 2<affirmative>. Which I like, I like to see growth. Yes . I like to get to know, I feel like at this point, like we know a lot of these characters a lot. So like I find that even when we're like talking about the episodes we're like well we think that this is how they feel because like at this point like we're a little family.
Speaker 3Mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Speaker 2The Ocean Oak trio and these folks.
Speaker 3Yeah. And it is, it's just, you know, and even when it goes from episode to episode and you know like my opinions on certain people kind of fluctuate a little bit. It's because like we are trying to react in the moment Yeah . To everything and you know, they do show us different versions of themselves all the time. Yeah . Like this is the most we have of Hurley.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3And he's still delightful. I really do like overall like how intrepid he is in this episode. I like how he like and again kind of interesting now knowing that part of the reason that he's like that is probably cuz he doesn't think anything can happen. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But he could just sit there still and be like whatever and he's trying to help and yeah. In the end that scene between him and Danielle is so beautiful as well. Yeah . And just he needed to be validated.
Speaker 1Exactly . And that hub hundred percent . And
Speaker 3Then he got a battery out of her. Yeah. And the look on Jack's face when he gets it
Speaker 1Is
Speaker 3So cute.
Speaker 1I loved it and it's just, it reminded me of how Hurley got something from Sawyer just by being Hurley being genuine. It's a manifest I think . Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. And it's just like we're learning who Hurley is and he is just this genuine person. Mm-hmm . <affirmative> . Mm-hmm <affirmative> who is honest and he sort of is able to help people in a really honest way, which is great.
Speaker 3He's for sure the most genuine character. Yeah , exactly. And the most easygoing. Which
Speaker 1Is why it me off so much when, when Charlie was mad at him at the end.
Speaker 3Yeah. That was stupid. But can I just say one thing about the end that I didn't like? I wish he was worth $108 million and
Speaker 1Not 156 . 56 .
Speaker 3Yeah. I think that's a missed opportunity for those , for those of you who watch a show. You what I mean?
Speaker 1Yeah , a hundred percent . Yeah. So like that's a good point because there are so many number references when you look back. Like if you were to watch again now seeing the full four, the whole number sequence in order, you'll notice those numbers throughout every episode multiple times.
Speaker 2I pointed out a couple in this one, like it's just, it's very like subtly placed in areas.
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah, yeah. So I mean that's kind of this episode in a nutshell. Like , without getting too much into spoiler talk, which we can't obviously, um , unless you want to hear that, join us in Spoiler Island for the non spoiler free version of this episode. <laugh> . Maybe we need to find out if Locke did retain his number one spot.
Speaker 2All right . Episode 18 rankings. Do I always start with the honorary first?
Speaker 1I don't know what,
Speaker 3There's not always an honor, right ? Did you usually finish with the Honor already though ?
Speaker 2Okay , so we're gonna start with the number 14. We've got Michael,
Speaker 3Should we just get like a permanent plaque in place? <laugh>
Speaker 2Negative 1,480, Shannon negative 8 0 5 . She's going fast . Negative four 70 Boone negative 30. Then we have our top 10, Walt 55 gin, 1 95 site 3 25, Sawyer three 50, Jack 4 75. Then we have our top five Claire , four 80, Charlie 6 25, sun 7 75, early at number two with nine 10. And we have Liesel Locke at number one with 1230. Wow .
Speaker 3It's earned. Yes.
Speaker 1Like
Speaker 3In these last two episodes, it's like totally earned. Yeah.
Speaker 2He just leap to the , I like the part that like , really, just
Speaker 3Like , you don't like that. Rory will be insane . <laugh> , I hate
Speaker 2Like dries and crazy.
Speaker 1Um, I really like that most of the characters are above zero now. Yeah.
Speaker 2It's been that way for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Except for obviously like the bottom four.
Speaker 1Yeah. But only four out of 14 is pretty good.
Speaker 3Yeah. I'll have to, I'll have to say something on Spoiler Island later about Michael's ranking and a joke that I would like to make
Speaker 1About <laugh> . Whoa . I'm excited.
Speaker 2What
Speaker 1Does that mean? Um, well I just realized I'm looking at our synopsis book.
Speaker 2We only have like six episodes.
Speaker 1Yeah, we have, you're right. We only have six episodes left in this whole season. That's insane.
Speaker 3I know. We're getting to the wire.
Speaker 1We are into the wire. Oh , wrong button.
Speaker 2<laugh> season's almost over.
Speaker 1So let's do our rain ratings.
Speaker 3I'll start. Sure . Um , I think this is a , a like solid episode. Yeah . Like it's, it's a , it's above a nine for sure. I'd say like a 9.2 Hurley's . Delightful. His backstory fits so well. It's, it's such a good backstory cuz it gives us so much, but also is so in line with what we've seen of him. Um, and, and just seeing him kind of take charge and, and try to find his own answers and help them. I just loved it. And, uh, we get a little, few little glimpses as well with other characters and the lock crib thing is just so cute. Um , so overall this is a phenomenal episode and a good kind of, oh, and I was gonna say, and I forgot to say this when Dan was still here, but there was a bit of a break
Speaker 1Oh, really? Between
Speaker 3Episodes.
Speaker 1Oh, interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 3About four weeks, three weeks, so ,
Speaker 1Oh, wow. Yeah, so
Speaker 3That makes sense . So I think they did want us to kind of ruminate on this idea that the numbers were Yeah . So I like that too. Like , you just, it's light, it's fun. You get some backstory, but then you get a little, that mystery at the end. Yeah .
Speaker 1There .
Speaker 2Um, so one thing I forgot to say is, uh , the honorary spot goes to Russo this week for Oh , nice . Accepting Harley's hug without, you know, because she hasn't touched another human being since Ien before that 16 years. So the fact that she accepted some sweaty man's hug all of a sudden because they bonded is beautiful. Um, I give this episode a 9.0. Um, I really like this episode. Honestly, the , my favorite thing about this episode, I think is that it essentially just felt like Hurley, if Hurley were an episode, this would be it <laugh> , you know, just like really light, fun. Um, but you know, there's like something you don't quite understand. And even all the like interactions when they're like, Harley , don't do this, Harley don't do that. There's like a comedic air to it. Yeah. Um, so yeah, that was, uh , yeah, nine . Good episode. Love them numbers. Now I feel like every time, like I'm gonna be looking out for them as like a reminder. So yeah. 9.9 0.0
Speaker 1Nice. Uh , I'm gonna give it to 9.5 is same as last episode for me, but for different reasons. So last episode had that like, very poignant emotional impact and character driven . And not that this wasn't character driven , but the island mythos and mystery was just on point in this episode. And Hurley is one of my favorite characters of all times . So mm-hmm . <affirmative> , I , I , I give it a 9.5. I love this episode.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm . <affirmative> , great episode.
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Speaker 3Probably the episode that matters the most this whole season. It's gonna be tough and not sure if Kip and I will get through it. W ait, what? < laugh>,
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