Amanda:
[00:00:00 - 00:00:06]
Dance. 

Kip:
[00:00:10 - 00:00:21]
We're three best friends and we love Lost and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about Lost. So join us for some laughs, good conversation, and let's get lost together. 

Amanda:
[00:00:24 - 00:00:25]
You. 

Kip:
[00:00:25 - 00:00:25]
You. 

Theresa:
[00:00:29 - 00:00:29]
Hello. 

Kip:
[00:00:29 - 00:00:30]
Hello. 

Theresa:
[00:00:30 - 00:00:31]
Here we are. 

Kip:
[00:00:31 - 00:00:34]
Hi. It's been so long, guys. 

Theresa:
[00:00:35 - 00:00:40]
Maybe it hasn't, because maybe when you're listening to this, it's only been, like, an hour since you listened to our last episode. 

Kip:
[00:00:40 - 00:00:40]
True. 

Theresa:
[00:00:40 - 00:00:41]
It's been so long for us. 

Kip:
[00:00:42 - 00:00:46]
It's been a while since we recorded an actual full episode of let's get lost. 

Amanda:
[00:00:46 - 00:00:48]
Yeah, it's been a few months. 

Theresa:
[00:00:48 - 00:01:00]
Yeah. Thanks for listening to the last episode of our ask us anything. That was a lot of fun. And please keep sending your questions forward. So we're here to talk about season two. 

Theresa:
[00:01:00 - 00:01:02]
Season premiere. 

Kip:
[00:01:02 - 00:01:19]
Yeah. We're into a brand new season, and it's kind of fitting that we start recording today because today is a big day in the lost world. It's May 23, which means that 13 years ago, lost ended. The finale aired May 23, 2010. 

Theresa:
[00:01:19 - 00:01:20]
Wow. 

Kip:
[00:01:21 - 00:01:24]
Yeah. We're talking about a show that ended 13 years ago. 

Theresa:
[00:01:24 - 00:01:26]
It ended 13 years ago. 

Amanda:
[00:01:26 - 00:01:28]
It doesn't seem like it was that long for me. 

Theresa:
[00:01:28 - 00:01:37]
No. Kind of trippy. I remember very much so being so pumped to watch it. It was a huge deal. 

Kip:
[00:01:38 - 00:01:38]
Absolutely. 

Amanda:
[00:01:39 - 00:01:46]
Is it weird that I can't remember if I watched it when it was on or when it had ended on? 

Theresa:
[00:01:46 - 00:01:47]
Because didn't we all watch it together? 

Kip:
[00:01:47 - 00:01:58]
We did. We were able to catch up before. Yeah, before the end. We didn't start in 2004, but we were caught up by the time it ended in 2010. 

Theresa:
[00:01:58 - 00:01:59]
I did. 

Kip:
[00:02:00 - 00:02:08]
Sorry. Theresa and I did not start lost. We started lost, but it was already in season five. We were able to watch season six. 

Theresa:
[00:02:09 - 00:02:14]
Yeah, because you guys caught up right before season six aired, right? Oh, binge. 

Kip:
[00:02:14 - 00:02:17]
And we were able to watch season six with Kip and Rory. 

Theresa:
[00:02:17 - 00:02:17]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:02:17 - 00:02:25]
It's weird because in my mind, I feel like it didn't end that long ago, but it clearly was because I don't remember any of this. 

Kip:
[00:02:25 - 00:02:29]
And then Tyler would walk by every once in a while and say things like, aren't they dead? 

Theresa:
[00:02:29 - 00:02:31]
Yeah. And then we would throw stuff at. 

Kip:
[00:02:31 - 00:02:33]
Him, shout out to Tyler. He'll never listen to this. 

Theresa:
[00:02:33 - 00:02:33]
No, exactly. 

Kip:
[00:02:34 - 00:02:35]
Pedro might. And tell him. 

Theresa:
[00:02:35 - 00:02:49]
All right, I'm going to read us a synopsis for this episode. Season two. Season two. Episode one. Man of science, man of faith. 

Theresa:
[00:02:49 - 00:02:52]
Written by Damon Lindelof and directed by Jack Bender. 

Amanda:
[00:02:52 - 00:02:53]
Who? 

Theresa:
[00:02:53 - 00:02:53]
Jack Bender. 

Kip:
[00:02:54 - 00:02:54]
Kippy's favourite. 

Theresa:
[00:02:54 - 00:03:10]
Mafia. The opening of the hatch leads to a disagreement between Jack and Locke. While searching for Walt's dog, Shannon has a frightening vision. Locke and Kate defy Jack and return to the hatch. Jack follows them and makes a shocking discovery. 

Kip:
[00:03:12 - 00:03:24]
It's quite the episode and we're going to talk lots about it. But before we do that, I think we always love to talk about the little synopsis. Good synopsis. 

Theresa:
[00:03:24 - 00:03:28]
It's apt. It's a good one. Yeah. It doesn't give you really anything away, but it sort of hits the highlights. 

Amanda:
[00:03:28 - 00:03:29]
Exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:03:29 - 00:03:40]
So I'm going to read you guys some trivia. Are you ready? Oh, no, I have stats first. Okay. So IMDb rating 9.1. 

Kip:
[00:03:40 - 00:03:41]
Pretty good. 

Theresa:
[00:03:41 - 00:03:42]
That's high. 

Kip:
[00:03:42 - 00:03:44]
It's a good episode. It is a good episode. 

Theresa:
[00:03:44 - 00:03:50]
This was the most watched episode of the entire run of the show. 

Kip:
[00:03:50 - 00:03:52]
Makes total sense. That cliffhanger at the end of season. 

Theresa:
[00:03:52 - 00:03:58]
One was strong with 23.47 million viewers. That's so crazy. 

Kip:
[00:03:58 - 00:04:01]
Someone say, our entire country's population. 

Theresa:
[00:04:01 - 00:04:06]
Exactly. And of course, we have a Sawyer nickname. Count of zero. 

Kip:
[00:04:07 - 00:04:08]
He's not in this episode. 

Theresa:
[00:04:08 - 00:04:08]
He's not in it. 

Amanda:
[00:04:08 - 00:04:09]
That's why it's zero. 

Theresa:
[00:04:09 - 00:04:11]
None of the raft folk are in. 

Kip:
[00:04:11 - 00:04:19]
Yeah, well, okay, perhaps the vision. That's debatable, I guess, but. Yeah, I forgot about. 

Theresa:
[00:04:20 - 00:04:34]
I did, too. But then I was so enthralled in it that I totally forgot that we have a whole other portion of the finale to address in the next episode. All right, here's some trivia for you. Get your sound effects. Oh, do we have new sound effects for season two? 

Amanda:
[00:04:34 - 00:04:37]
New sound effect. Oh, wait. Give me 2 seconds. 

Theresa:
[00:04:37 - 00:04:39]
Yeah, Amanda, you better think of one. 

Kip:
[00:04:40 - 00:04:47]
But what if it. I can't think of anything. Okay, I'm going to try. I'm going to try. It's not going to make sense, though. 

Theresa:
[00:04:47 - 00:04:50]
That's okay. Teresa, are you ready? 

Kip:
[00:04:50 - 00:04:51]
And I'm going to try to change it every time. 

Theresa:
[00:04:52 - 00:04:52]
Oh, I like that. 

Amanda:
[00:04:53 - 00:04:54]
Oh, Hess. No. 

Kip:
[00:04:54 - 00:04:57]
You'll see why. It's going to be a quote. Do a new quote every time. 

Theresa:
[00:04:57 - 00:05:10]
Okay, what time is. I'm just going to say it. What time is Adam Rutherford pronounced dead? 

Amanda:
[00:05:13 - 00:05:15]
Wait, no. 

Kip:
[00:05:15 - 00:05:19]
It's never been easy. 857. 

Theresa:
[00:05:19 - 00:05:20]
No. 

Kip:
[00:05:22 - 00:05:25]
Isn't it like 857 in the morning or something? 

Theresa:
[00:05:25 - 00:05:26]
Was. Wait, wait, your sound effect. 

Amanda:
[00:05:27 - 00:05:31]
No, brother. Okay, 815. 

Theresa:
[00:05:32 - 00:05:34]
Correct. Flight 815. Flight eight one five. 

Kip:
[00:05:34 - 00:05:35]
It's always eight one five. 

Theresa:
[00:05:35 - 00:05:37]
We're going to start with an eight. End it with a one. 

Amanda:
[00:05:38 - 00:05:40]
I was like, wait a minute. 

Kip:
[00:05:40 - 00:05:46]
Oh, my God, that's so embarrassing. I wondered why you guys are like, no. I was so ridiculous. 

Theresa:
[00:05:47 - 00:05:48]
Pretty judgy. 

Kip:
[00:05:48 - 00:05:48]
Super sense. 

Theresa:
[00:05:48 - 00:05:50]
That makes a lot of sense. 

Kip:
[00:05:50 - 00:05:55]
We have to talk about those goddamn numbers this episode a lot, though, because. No, don't do that. 

Amanda:
[00:05:55 - 00:06:05]
Oh, my God. Because you can't see what's happening here. As she said that she, like, points to the wall. And Kevin and I both look behind us. 

Theresa:
[00:06:05 - 00:06:06]
We're like, where? 

Kip:
[00:06:06 - 00:06:13]
Okay, I'm just saying the numbers are peak here, so I should have known it was 815. That's correct. Poor out of Rutherford. 

Theresa:
[00:06:14 - 00:06:21]
So next question. How long does the song make your own kind of music play for. 

Amanda:
[00:06:32 - 00:06:32]
Brother? 

Theresa:
[00:06:33 - 00:06:33]
Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:06:36 - 00:06:39]
Two minutes and 34 seconds. 

Theresa:
[00:06:39 - 00:06:39]
No. 

Kip:
[00:06:42 - 00:06:45]
It'S never been easy. 48 seconds. 

Theresa:
[00:06:45 - 00:06:50]
No, 1 minute, 8 seconds. 108, which is the sum of the numbers. 

Amanda:
[00:06:51 - 00:06:55]
I'm so stupid. I was like, how do I break up the numbers into a time? 

Kip:
[00:06:55 - 00:06:58]
Let's talk about that song for a second. So good. 

Theresa:
[00:06:58 - 00:06:59]
Oh, it's so good. 

Kip:
[00:06:59 - 00:06:59]
So good. 

Amanda:
[00:06:59 - 00:07:00]
Great way to start the show. 

Kip:
[00:07:00 - 00:07:01]
Great way to start it. 

Theresa:
[00:07:02 - 00:07:05]
That actually introduced me to mama Cass. 

Kip:
[00:07:05 - 00:07:07]
Oh, yeah. Did you know she was in the mama's and popular? 

Theresa:
[00:07:07 - 00:07:12]
I didn't, no. Until I heard this and was, like, obsessed with it in 2000 and whenever this came out. 

Kip:
[00:07:12 - 00:07:14]
2005, probably. 

Amanda:
[00:07:14 - 00:07:14]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:07:15 - 00:07:21]
Question number three. Third and final. What does Walt say to Shannon? 

Kip:
[00:07:23 - 00:07:27]
It's never been easy. Doesn't he just shush her? 

Theresa:
[00:07:27 - 00:07:30]
Kind of like he does? But then he speaks after. 

Kip:
[00:07:30 - 00:07:34]
Oh, does he? Did I watch this episode? 

Theresa:
[00:07:34 - 00:07:35]
I'm not sure. 

Amanda:
[00:07:35 - 00:07:42]
You did. And you were like, I forgot how creepy that is. You're so distracted. 

Kip:
[00:07:42 - 00:07:43]
That sounds like me. 

Amanda:
[00:07:43 - 00:07:46]
And I think because you said that, now I'm like, what did he say again? 

Kip:
[00:07:46 - 00:07:48]
I think that's what it is. I think I talked over. 

Amanda:
[00:07:51 - 00:07:54]
I just remember him going, yeah, he does. 

Kip:
[00:07:54 - 00:07:56]
Amanda being like, that's so great bait. 

Theresa:
[00:07:57 - 00:08:02]
So do you have an answer, brother? Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:08:02 - 00:08:06]
He says something about them or something kind of. 

Theresa:
[00:08:06 - 00:08:08]
So he speaks backwards. 

Amanda:
[00:08:09 - 00:08:10]
That's what it was. 

Theresa:
[00:08:10 - 00:08:26]
But then people have recorded it and reversed the backwards speaking. And the two, Theresa, are that he either says, don't push the button. Button bad, or press the button. No buttons bad. 

Amanda:
[00:08:26 - 00:08:27]
That's terrible. 

Kip:
[00:08:27 - 00:08:29]
That's literally the two options. 

Theresa:
[00:08:30 - 00:08:31]
It's either do it or don't. 

Kip:
[00:08:31 - 00:08:32]
Either way. That's terrifying. 

Amanda:
[00:08:32 - 00:08:45]
That's terrible. That is like, I got chills. I don't like when I find out these things. I would rather just be blissfully ignorant that he was doing something creepy. I don't need to know the meaning, because then once I know it, it freaks me out. 

Theresa:
[00:08:46 - 00:08:47]
Now you need to know I find. 

Kip:
[00:08:47 - 00:08:49]
That just creepy backwards speak creepier. 

Amanda:
[00:08:49 - 00:08:54]
But I always thought he was a creepy kid to begin with, so it wasn't that. You know what I mean? 

Kip:
[00:08:55 - 00:08:58]
All right, well, congrats that we all suck. 

Amanda:
[00:08:58 - 00:08:59]
Hey, I got a point. 

Kip:
[00:08:59 - 00:09:00]
Oh, that's true. 

Theresa:
[00:09:00 - 00:09:01]
Did you? 

Kip:
[00:09:01 - 00:09:01]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:09:01 - 00:09:02]
815. 

Theresa:
[00:09:02 - 00:09:02]
Oh, right. 

Kip:
[00:09:02 - 00:09:09]
Because the man is like, 8575-8578 something. 

Theresa:
[00:09:11 - 00:09:12]
Oh, that's good. 

Amanda:
[00:09:12 - 00:09:16]
857. The confidence. 

Kip:
[00:09:16 - 00:09:20]
Okay, well, I think we know what time it is for. And I can say I missed it very much. 

Theresa:
[00:09:22 - 00:09:26]
Teresa's dream of consciousness. Wow. I can't believe I remembered what that was. 

Amanda:
[00:09:26 - 00:09:27]
I'm actually surprised it guys are at the same time. 

Kip:
[00:09:27 - 00:09:30]
I know we're good. It's like riding a bike. 

Theresa:
[00:09:30 - 00:09:37]
I'm going to start making notes because I always think of things as you're saying them, and I want to ask for that. And I always forget. So if you see me writing, that's why. 

Amanda:
[00:09:37 - 00:09:44]
Okay. All right, so we're back. Thank you for the recap. Lost. God, I hate this. 

Amanda:
[00:09:44 - 00:09:50]
Beeping whose eye is this? I don't recognise that eyeball. Where are this? And who are this? Oh, wait. 

Amanda:
[00:09:50 - 00:09:58]
Oh, my God. I just remembered. Someone is fit. Why did you put the fruit in one by one like that? It's weird. 

Amanda:
[00:09:59 - 00:10:06]
What did you just inject yourself with? My God. The guns. I forgot all of these deets. That's cool, though. 

Amanda:
[00:10:06 - 00:10:12]
Through the mirror and the periscoping. Dang. Oh, God. And the iconic shot Yaoza. Hold on. 

Amanda:
[00:10:13 - 00:10:27]
We need to mention just now that someone fucking lives in there. Well, Hurley, it's not burning. He's holding a fine. You know, we have a lot of assumptions here. That the hatch is safe when we just literally saw that. 

Amanda:
[00:10:27 - 00:10:35]
Maybe it's not. Also, you blew the door off. How are you going to hide in it? And then what happens? Also, what's with this Jack? 

Amanda:
[00:10:35 - 00:10:47]
Like, also, what's with this Jack? If vlog wants to go down there, just let him go. You go back and do whatever you want. Okay, so this whole thing here. I'm pretty sure that only a doctor can announce a time of death. 

Amanda:
[00:10:47 - 00:11:02]
So. Couldn't that guy intubate the guy? You can't tell me that there was no one in that room with all those people who couldn't intubate a human. I mean, you could even get an intern to do it. As long as Jack was in the know, you can get an intern to do it even if an attending is there. 

Amanda:
[00:11:02 - 00:11:12]
Grey's anatomy seems to think so. Now we're just playing. Let's be mean. Wait, why did we risk this? Anyone know why is Shannon so dirty and everyone else seems relatively clean? 

Amanda:
[00:11:12 - 00:11:23]
Also, why didn't Brian train Vincent? Better. Because that dog wanders off a lot. But then again, lots to see, so I kinda get it. You know, rule number one of Lejongla guys don't split up. 

Amanda:
[00:11:23 - 00:11:28]
Fuck my life. We never learn. And the goddamn whispers. I can't. Oh, my God. 

Amanda:
[00:11:28 - 00:11:35]
Nope. What are you saying? Why are you wet? Can it please be daytime? Things are a little bit less scary in the daytime. 

Amanda:
[00:11:37 - 00:11:45]
Locke and Kate wandering together late. Cock. Nah. Oh, my God. Jack's arms look delightful in the firelight. 

Amanda:
[00:11:45 - 00:11:55]
And Hurley's so cute, but Jack looks aw, Jack. That's not the point. To take aw Hurley's feelings. His heart hurts. My God, this hospital is so crowded. 

Amanda:
[00:11:55 - 00:12:14]
Why are there three patients in one room? Okay, Jack literally has no bedside manner. Who essentially told her she accidentally killed someone and then unloaded on how she has all of these issues, and she probably will never walk again. You know, she's got to have a little hope if she's gonna get through the surgery and all the other things. Man, what does it say about me that I agree with Christian? 

Amanda:
[00:12:14 - 00:12:31]
Also, I wouldn't want Jack as my doctor. He's so cold. I'm glad someone asked him, because I legit had forgotten about that. Arts, arts, arts, whatever. What's up with Charlie being such a denier when he was literally taken by another and hung? 

Amanda:
[00:12:31 - 00:12:48]
Oh, Jack, you can't make these kinds of promises. There's such a difference between hope and making promises you're not sure you can keep. Also, did we really decide to bring dynamite into a cave that's already had a cave in? I'm not sure how to feel about Locke wanting to go into the hatch. Honestly, like, there's a lot to unpack here. 

Amanda:
[00:12:48 - 00:12:58]
I mean, he's just headstrong. I'm gonna do this. Shouldn't you bring someone with you? I mean, it says quarantine, which means it probably was never meant to be mean. We should have some concerns, Kate. 

Amanda:
[00:12:58 - 00:13:04]
No, he can't promise. Oh, Kate with the curveball. And. Yeah, exactly. I kind of agree with her. 

Amanda:
[00:13:04 - 00:13:16]
The worst part is, I didn't write down what I agree with. I just said that I agree with. Like, I understand that Jack doesn't agree, but if someone's willing to go with locke, then why not? Oh, my God. Her fiance sucks. 

Amanda:
[00:13:16 - 00:13:24]
He's such a jackass. Jack, you can't make this promise, my friend. It's okay. Famously said by Boone as well. And what a shocker. 

Amanda:
[00:13:24 - 00:13:32]
Locke tells Kate to go first. Locke, stop putting others in danger for whatever you want to explore. This is nuts, bruh. Kate. Did anyone else hear what? 

Amanda:
[00:13:32 - 00:13:42]
Sounded like a scream when she started falling, but it wasn't. Uh, and of course he's still dropping her down there. Ew. His hands are, um. What the shit? 

Amanda:
[00:13:42 - 00:13:48]
Oh, my. Alright, Amanda, are you happy now? The light is gone. And so is Kate. Oh, damn, that was quick. 

Amanda:
[00:13:48 - 00:13:54]
Oh, wait. It's actually not over. Wait, why is Jack going? Because of Kate. He loves Kate. 

Amanda:
[00:13:54 - 00:14:01]
Now, where's Locke? Why don't I remember this episode very well? But also, whatever happened to the buddy system? You're in the jungle. Oh, my God. 

Amanda:
[00:14:01 - 00:14:10]
Jack's arms. Jack, you should have brought a buddy. Wait, are you just going to slide down? Hey, man, there's some ladder rungs. Maybe just go down the ladder rungs first and then slide down, you weirdo. 

Amanda:
[00:14:11 - 00:14:15]
You. Stairs. Why? Why are you running? This is kind of hot, though. 

Amanda:
[00:14:15 - 00:14:20]
So fit. Wow. You're being outdone, Jack. Look at that sprinting breath. It's cold. 

Amanda:
[00:14:20 - 00:14:28]
Oh. Oh, God, that accent, though. He's cute. He's so, so cute and so, so charismatic. I really like this Desmond. 

Amanda:
[00:14:28 - 00:14:33]
Mm hmm. That convo. Jack, are you okay? Did you hurt your arms? Where did the light come from? 

Amanda:
[00:14:33 - 00:14:41]
Like when Kate was dragged down? Oh, wait. Dumb question. I see a flashlight lock. How you constantly answer some of my immediate questions and then leave the rest forever. 

Amanda:
[00:14:42 - 00:14:50]
Why is everything so wet and rusty down here? There are lights everywhere. But they're bad lights because he still needs a flashlight. What the hell is that mural? Absolutely not. 

Amanda:
[00:14:50 - 00:14:58]
Oh, I saw 108 somewhere. What's in the buckets? This is filthy. Okay, we got a magnet wall. What's the worrying? 

Amanda:
[00:14:58 - 00:15:04]
That's a very clean mirror. But everything else is dirty. My God, the music. What's happening? I need an adult. 

Amanda:
[00:15:04 - 00:15:16]
Is this a comm centre? Where are Kate and Locke? You know, it looks like a geodesic dome, but obviously not, because it's not a freestanding, self sustaining structure. Look at that angry face. Look at that old ass computer. 

Amanda:
[00:15:16 - 00:15:23]
Remember that Ms Dos stuff, okay? Locke. Hey, Jack. Where'd you get the guns? Did we know you had that? 

Amanda:
[00:15:23 - 00:15:30]
Wait, what's happening now? Wow, this guy's really dirty. Your hands are so dirty. Didn't you just take a shower? Is it over now? 

Amanda:
[00:15:30 - 00:15:36]
Is this the world's longest episode? Why is he still stinky? I don't understand. Or is he sweating? Or is it his hair dripping? 

Amanda:
[00:15:36 - 00:15:44]
Jack, why are you dirty? Didn't you just shower. I hate this haircut on him from the past and. Thank you, Sarah. Why would you. 

Amanda:
[00:15:44 - 00:15:50]
She knows her fiance is a douche. Oh, my God. It's beautiful. She can feel hashtag lesions. Oh, my God. 

Amanda:
[00:15:50 - 00:16:00]
Also, her teeth are so straight and nice. Does someone brush your teeth when you're in the hospital? This is a very beautiful scene. Oh, and now Jack is tripping. Does Desmond remember him? 

Kip:
[00:16:05 - 00:16:09]
I mean, it's a lot. A lot happens in an episode where. Not very much. 

Amanda:
[00:16:10 - 00:16:10]
No kidding. 

Theresa:
[00:16:11 - 00:16:14]
Yeah. Good way of putting it. Go ahead. 

Kip:
[00:16:14 - 00:16:18]
I was just going to say there's a lot to unpack there and we. 

Theresa:
[00:16:18 - 00:16:20]
Will first question for you. 

Kip:
[00:16:20 - 00:16:21]
Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:16:21 - 00:16:26]
At the very beginning, when you went, ooh, guns, was that in relation to real guns or Desmond's arms? 

Amanda:
[00:16:26 - 00:16:28]
Desmond's guns. 

Theresa:
[00:16:29 - 00:16:30]
His arms. 

Amanda:
[00:16:36 - 00:16:44]
Hold on the gun like the wall of. The wall of guns. I think it's the wall of guns because I think when he's doing the chin ups, you don't really see his arms, just see his back. 

Kip:
[00:16:45 - 00:16:46]
Is he that fit? 

Theresa:
[00:16:46 - 00:16:48]
Well, Teresa seemed to think, apparently. 

Amanda:
[00:16:48 - 00:16:52]
Did you see. He was on the bike for a while and then he was doing chin. 

Theresa:
[00:16:52 - 00:16:55]
Ups and then did that stad to dad. 

Amanda:
[00:16:55 - 00:16:59]
He was hardcore beating Jack at the tour. To stad. 

Theresa:
[00:16:59 - 00:17:00]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:17:00 - 00:17:04]
And Jack's pretty fit. So one with second question. Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:17:04 - 00:17:05]
What does intubate mean? 

Amanda:
[00:17:06 - 00:17:09]
It's when you put a breathing tube. 

Kip:
[00:17:09 - 00:17:14]
They take that metal scope and they kind of like open up the throat, the scope also. 

Amanda:
[00:17:14 - 00:17:19]
And you can use like, see it. You guide a tube down so they breathe. 

Kip:
[00:17:19 - 00:17:30]
Yeah. It's one of the first, like, it's considered a surgical procedure and it's one of the first surgical procedures I think, that surgeons learn how to do. Like you need a special doctor to come in and do it. 

Amanda:
[00:17:30 - 00:17:46]
That's why I think it was kind of weird that he's the only one there because my understanding, based on Grey's Anatomy, is that no one can just call a time of death like you have to be a doctor to do so. So I find it hard to believe that in that room full of what, like twelve? 

Kip:
[00:17:46 - 00:17:50]
But he might have not been the kind of doctor that can intubate. Like, I don't think family doctors can do that. 

Amanda:
[00:17:51 - 00:17:53]
Well, I don't think a family doctor would be in there unless it was. 

Theresa:
[00:17:53 - 00:17:55]
An emergency, which it was. 

Amanda:
[00:17:55 - 00:17:59]
Exactly. But I want to talk about ER doctor would know how to do it though. 

Theresa:
[00:17:59 - 00:18:00]
Okay. 

Kip:
[00:18:00 - 00:18:03]
So I'm concerned about the fact that he let that guy die. 

Theresa:
[00:18:03 - 00:18:05]
Okay, we'll get to that. 

Kip:
[00:18:05 - 00:18:06]
I just want to make it very. 

Amanda:
[00:18:06 - 00:18:08]
Clear you're concerned that he let him die. Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:18:08 - 00:18:16]
Okay. My third and final point about your stream of consciousness was. Yeah, that's a good point about Charlie. He literally was abducted and hung by another. 

Amanda:
[00:18:16 - 00:18:20]
I didn't understand why he was so against it. And he was like, it's nothing. 

Theresa:
[00:18:20 - 00:18:22]
Yeah, they don't exist. They're nothing. 

Kip:
[00:18:23 - 00:18:24]
What does he think Ethan was then? 

Theresa:
[00:18:24 - 00:18:25]
Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:18:25 - 00:18:28]
Just a random dude who was like, yeah, I'll just take you and hang you. You're fine. 

Theresa:
[00:18:28 - 00:18:29]
That was weird. 

Kip:
[00:18:29 - 00:18:33]
I didn't even put that together a lot to impact. And we're going to get there. 

Theresa:
[00:18:34 - 00:18:35]
We are heckens. 

Amanda:
[00:18:35 - 00:18:35]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:18:36 - 00:18:39]
Thank you very much, Teresa. That was a good way to start. 

Kip:
[00:18:39 - 00:18:43]
Oh, my hot take is that I like Kate in this episode. 

Theresa:
[00:18:43 - 00:18:43]
Whoa. 

Kip:
[00:18:44 - 00:18:46]
Yeah. I actually really like her. 

Amanda:
[00:18:46 - 00:18:50]
We were watching it together. Not once did you say Kate, you dumb bitch. 

Kip:
[00:18:50 - 00:18:52]
No, I have lots. I really like Kate in the show. 

Theresa:
[00:18:52 - 00:18:53]
She was good. 

Amanda:
[00:18:53 - 00:18:53]
She was good. 

Kip:
[00:18:53 - 00:18:54]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:18:54 - 00:18:55]
Well, thank you. 

Kip:
[00:18:55 - 00:18:56]
The only one. 

Theresa:
[00:19:14 - 00:19:15]
Okay, that wasn't what I thought it was. 

Amanda:
[00:19:16 - 00:19:21]
Oh, no. I was like, that's a good way to get us back. We're back. 

Kip:
[00:19:22 - 00:19:33]
All right, so season two, episode one, so much more. Like, I have notes, I have things to say, but then I hear Dan and Theresa and everything. It just all. So I think I have to start by saying, I know we try to always go like. Either. 

Kip:
[00:19:34 - 00:19:52]
We've tried a million things, like episode or flashbacks, whatever. But I think I have to say that Theresa is some. Something about this episode that drives me insane, which is this idea. And maybe I'm missing something, and I would love to be pointing this out, but the entire on island stuff is about how Jack cannot believe, Jack cannot accept, Jack cannot. Whatever. 

Kip:
[00:19:53 - 00:20:03]
And we're going to go all over the place, but it drives me insane when Hurley's telling him about the numbers and Jack is so dismissive. 

Theresa:
[00:20:03 - 00:20:03]
Oh, I know. 

Amanda:
[00:20:03 - 00:20:04]
Typical. 

Kip:
[00:20:04 - 00:20:12]
No, I know. But it's like, fine, you don't want to believe that they're mystical or whatever. You can't tell me you don't think it's odd that the numbers he played. 

Theresa:
[00:20:12 - 00:20:13]
On the lottery are imprinted. 

Kip:
[00:20:13 - 00:20:20]
Are imprinted on the hatch? Whatever you may think it is, you can't just be like you were in a psych ward. That's weird, Jack. 

Theresa:
[00:20:21 - 00:20:21]
Exactly. 

Kip:
[00:20:22 - 00:20:26]
You're a Scientist. You know the odds of that are low. 

Amanda:
[00:20:26 - 00:20:35]
But that's the problem, right? And that's the whole man of faith thing, right? Is even when faced with, like. You're right. That's weird. 

Amanda:
[00:20:36 - 00:20:41]
Even when he's faced with that. He's like, so you're crazy. That's what the explanation is. 

Kip:
[00:20:41 - 00:20:56]
And it just drives me nuts, because then we have this byline of that in the flashbacks, which is like, he can't fix her. He can't fix her. He can't fix her. Well, you did fix her. And he still can't believe that it worked. 

Kip:
[00:20:56 - 00:21:12]
That something beyond, like, scientifically, he left that surgery still thinking she was broken, but she wasn't. And that led to the most beautiful scene ever. And clearly to them getting married, which you've already seen happens. 

Theresa:
[00:21:14 - 00:21:41]
Yeah. The numbers thing with Hurley, I didn't actually expect him to lay it all out like that. I forgot that he kind of laid out just this Cole's notes version of what happened to him. But, yeah, Jack's reaction was just so dismissive and just kind of rude to someone who's really been on his side. Hurley's always sort of been Jack's proponent on a lot of things, and just sort of like, you're in a psych ward. 

Amanda:
[00:21:41 - 00:21:49]
Yeah. And I'm glad that Hurley calls him out for that, because it was just so unnecessary. Out of everything that he said, that's the one thing he takes out of it. 

Theresa:
[00:21:50 - 00:22:04]
I agree so much, Amanda. The way you spelled it out, just the odds alone are so insane that you can't tell me. Someone, anybody, Jack, anybody would be like, that's fucking weird. 

Kip:
[00:22:04 - 00:22:17]
And that's what. It's strange. Give it its dues. Which is like, it's strange. It's not crazy that Hurley would find that disturbing enough to want to investigate it more. 

Amanda:
[00:22:17 - 00:22:35]
But I think that's why he's like, you were in a psych ward. Because then he could. In my mind, what Jack does is he's like, all Hurley did was he saw these numbers, and now he's thinking that it's a sign. Know, he used those numbers, but really, those probably aren't the same numbers. I don't think he remembers. 

Amanda:
[00:22:35 - 00:23:00]
Or he's just dismissing it. Yeah. Or he's, like, a little, like, woo woo and is putting all of these connections together, and they're not actually the exact same numbers. I feel like, in Jack's mind, unless he believes that it's not real. So for him to just be like, so you were in a psych ward is to just essentially take everything he said as just, like, garbage and just be like, no. 

Theresa:
[00:23:00 - 00:23:01]
Yeah, throw it out. 

Amanda:
[00:23:01 - 00:23:07]
It doesn't matter that the odds are so unlikely, because everything you've said is, like, literal crap. 

Theresa:
[00:23:07 - 00:23:07]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:23:07 - 00:23:19]
Literal. And so it just bothered me, and I know that that's part of it is, like, to show, even when faced with this. This idea. He's talking to his dad. He has no hope. 

Kip:
[00:23:19 - 00:23:37]
And like you said, he has. I can't remember who said it. I think, tracy, you said that he just, like, so cold, or, like, that's part of who he is, right? And I think I do want, because Dan also brought up this idea of what are these flashbacks showing us and why do we have to watch them? They are meant, right? 

Kip:
[00:23:37 - 00:23:57]
Like, at the end of the day, they are meant to enlighten the audience about a facet of what's happening on the island and why that character feels that way, reacts that way, thinks that way. Right. That's what they're there for. And so that's what this is supposed to teach. Just in this one, I find it very easy, usually, to figure out what they're trying to teach us. 

Kip:
[00:23:57 - 00:24:23]
Even in that strange Charlie one, at the end, it comes together, right? In this. I'm torn. Are we supposed to just take from this that there's nothing that can happen to Jack or in Jack's life that will make him believe? Or are we supposed to think that he does believe, but something like, he can't get past that on the island? 

Amanda:
[00:24:25 - 00:24:44]
So for me, I took it as. And it was actually based on something that Dan had said about the flashbacks to and that you're kind of saying right now. And I think it's supposed to show that. I don't know. I feel like when we talk about man of science, man of faith, we assume Jack and locke. 

Amanda:
[00:24:44 - 00:25:05]
But for me, in this episode, watching it for the. Whatever time, it actually made me think more of Jack versus himself, where the flashbacks show that he is a man of science, even when he's talking to Sarah about how she's never going to walk again. You killed somebody. He literally has no expression. There's no empathy, there's nothing. 

Amanda:
[00:25:05 - 00:25:43]
And then he's like, I didn't fix you. And then he did the numbers. And then seeing Desmond again, I'm sure he's going to find a way to logically dismiss that. But he can't deny deep down that something is happening here. And I think that's what it's meant to show is, like, in his off island life, he was obviously torn between the science part and obviously being proven wrong, and then know, with Hurley being like, the numbers are the same, and now you're seeing a person that you saw back when that happened in the most random place on. 

Amanda:
[00:25:46 - 00:25:49]
Obviously something's happening here that's not a coincidence. 

Theresa:
[00:25:49 - 00:26:14]
And he's almost just like you said, he's probably in the back of his mind knowing something bigger is going on, but he's retreating into that sort of like, disbelief of everything just because he can't explain it. And so he's doubling down on, not just brushing off anything that he can't explain or doesn't understand because he probably senses it but doesn't know what to do, doesn't know how to process it. 

Kip:
[00:26:15 - 00:26:31]
And that's why I don't really understand in terms of the flashback of where we left off with him. Because if we left off with him still being like, this isn't possible, this isn't whatever. This is whatever. But we leave off on this beautiful moment where they're both bawling because he know. And I literally. 

Kip:
[00:26:31 - 00:26:32]
I'm bawling. Everyone's bawling. 

Amanda:
[00:26:32 - 00:26:33]
I'm not. 

Kip:
[00:26:33 - 00:26:43]
I'm bawling. Sarah's bawling. Jack's bawling. Teresa looks like Jack when he's giving the news about the surgery. That's why she can resonate with us so much. 

Kip:
[00:26:43 - 00:27:08]
But it's so beautiful. And it's like he clearly accepts in that moment that something beautiful and great and poignant and important and difficult happened. So leaving in that moment. Why do we, like, are we supposed to think that more has happened in this intervening time? Are we supposed to think that he actually just got kind of swept up in that moment because that Jack is not the Jack barking orders. 

Amanda:
[00:27:08 - 00:27:21]
No, but I think we're supposed to feel that pull between the two. I think that's what it is. Because you're right. You're going from, this isn't happening. It happened. 

Amanda:
[00:27:21 - 00:27:42]
This isn't happening. Now he's like freaking out, but is being his. I'm the leader. We have to do this because X-Y-Z-I think you're supposed to feel that confusion. I don't know that you're supposed to end with something because as we go through the series, I think we keep kind of dipping into that until the end. 

Theresa:
[00:27:42 - 00:28:21]
That is a bit of a departure, though, because in the last season, I think almost every flashback we could put it together with what was going on on the island and say that is the reason. So for there to be a flashback in the season premiere of season two that doesn't necessarily very plainly explain what Jack's going through on the island. It's almost like a little discombobulating, like it throws you off and maybe that is another facet of it. It's like things are changing. We just saw what was in the hatch, which I think we should talk about. 

Theresa:
[00:28:22 - 00:28:26]
And. Yeah, it's very different feel than previous flashbacks. 

Amanda:
[00:28:26 - 00:28:31]
Yeah. But I also feel like this season, this episode just feels different in general. 

Kip:
[00:28:32 - 00:28:34]
There's been a tonal shift. 

Amanda:
[00:28:34 - 00:29:03]
Yeah, it feels completely different. I know that we're still trying to survive whatever's coming, but it also just feels like now, because I know that a big part of it is like the characters and the relationships, but now we're going even deeper into the characters because you're right, not a lot happens for an episode where so much actually happens. And I think that's because it's more based on Jack internally as opposed to the physical stuff that's kind of going well. 

Kip:
[00:29:03 - 00:29:16]
And Dan said it right. And we can go right back to the. Like he's controlling in this, but I think if we really want to go back to the beginning, we have to go back to the moment that changes everything in this show. Just in the introduction of Desmond. 

Theresa:
[00:29:16 - 00:29:18]
Oh, let's talk about that. 

Kip:
[00:29:18 - 00:29:23]
I forgot. I didn't forget. I knew he was going to. I even called the song. I knew what song was going to be. 

Kip:
[00:29:23 - 00:29:41]
I knew it was going to be Desmond. I didn't forget any of those moments. But what I did forget about is how fucking cool he is and how calming his presence on this show is. And for those listening, which I actually don't think there's that many who haven't seen this show from the beginning and watched it to the end. I'm not going to spoil anything. 

Kip:
[00:29:41 - 00:30:00]
I think it's clear if he knew him from behind before and he's on the island, that that's going to be an important story point. There's a large Desmond's an important story part. I don't think that's spoiling anything. To say that I instantly felt better for everyone involved in this show and my life. He's your dumbledore was an understatement. 

Kip:
[00:30:01 - 00:30:08]
I literally breathed a deep sigh of relief, teared up a little bit and was like, oh, my God, desmond's here. Everything's going to be okay. 

Theresa:
[00:30:08 - 00:30:23]
It was like such a moment of just like, oh, it felt so familiar. It was like comforting. Yeah, it was great. Because he. Well, yeah, I don't want to go into it, but it was a fabulous introduction and I think such an amazing premiere episode. 

Theresa:
[00:30:23 - 00:30:25]
Like the start of it. Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:30:25 - 00:30:45]
Moment any tv show. So good seeing that iconic 1 minute and 8 seconds of music and him doing his thing to trail up through his viewpoint to that. And we should put it on the socials, because at the end of the day, it is the most iconic shot of just locke and Jack staring down that. 

Amanda:
[00:30:45 - 00:30:50]
Oh, my God. I have chills because I can see it in my mind, him looking through that thing and then. 

Theresa:
[00:30:52 - 00:31:06]
Just the way it's going up and then the camera kind of shifts. Like the camera is pointing down and then it's slowly going up the shaft and it shifts pointing up and you see them looking down and kind of like moving their heads, trying to see what they can see so good. 

Kip:
[00:31:06 - 00:31:18]
It just shows that to me. What it is too, on top of it is there's so much more going on here than anyone realises. Right, because they've now lived on this island for what? You didn't tell us how many days on the island. 

Theresa:
[00:31:18 - 00:31:18]
Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:31:18 - 00:31:21]
It would have been the same as last time. We haven't slept yet. 

Theresa:
[00:31:21 - 00:31:22]
I know, but I want to cheque. 

Amanda:
[00:31:23 - 00:31:30]
It's 43. Is it 42 or is it 57? 

Kip:
[00:31:30 - 00:31:31]
Fuck off. 

Amanda:
[00:31:31 - 00:31:34]
You're never going to live that down. I don't. Weird. 

Kip:
[00:31:34 - 00:31:49]
When you guys looked at me, I was like, why are they so upset? I'm sorry. I didn't get it right, but now it makes so much more sense. But, yeah, I think that's a part of it, too. Is like, they've been on this island now. 

Amanda:
[00:31:51 - 00:31:52]
It's been more than a month, for sure. 

Kip:
[00:31:52 - 00:32:08]
Yeah, it's been more than 40 days. Been on this island for like 45, 47, 50 days, whatever it is. 44, 44 days. And that means they coexisted with this man living beneath them. 

Theresa:
[00:32:08 - 00:32:09]
So weird. 

Kip:
[00:32:09 - 00:32:10]
For 44 days. 

Theresa:
[00:32:10 - 00:32:11]
Yeah. So weird. 

Kip:
[00:32:11 - 00:32:22]
What else aren't we seeing? If they can live on the top of that island, on top of this man. This, like, fucking exercise bike and guns. 

Theresa:
[00:32:22 - 00:32:26]
And mama Cass and a very new looking washer dryer. 

Amanda:
[00:32:26 - 00:32:31]
Same here. I was like, when did front loading washer and dryers come to be? Because everything else here. 

Theresa:
[00:32:31 - 00:32:35]
When did they update that? Last week. Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:32:35 - 00:32:35]
Everything else. 

Kip:
[00:32:35 - 00:32:38]
Desmond got a delivery may tag. 

Amanda:
[00:32:39 - 00:32:42]
This is the one thing that just doesn't fit down here. 

Kip:
[00:32:42 - 00:32:54]
But this is that idea that that's all happening while they're up there scrounging for light. Struggling, struggling. Just really. It's kind of eerie because it's like, what else is going on? And the reality is lots. 

Kip:
[00:32:54 - 00:33:00]
And to me, that's what this kind of sets up, a lot. But it sets up that because you're like, what is happening? 

Theresa:
[00:33:00 - 00:33:04]
Them running for their lives from things. And Desmond's probably just down there eating. 

Kip:
[00:33:04 - 00:33:06]
Cereal, doing a crossword puzzle, or even. 

Amanda:
[00:33:06 - 00:33:16]
Locke and boo are just, like, sitting by the hatch, just staring at it. I'm like, oh, my God, someone's having a whole life down there, and you're just wondering how to disturb. 

Kip:
[00:33:17 - 00:33:20]
I do. I like that idea. I think it's beautiful. 

Theresa:
[00:33:20 - 00:33:21]
It's cool. 

Kip:
[00:33:21 - 00:33:26]
What do we think of Hurley screaming at Locke not to do it and Locke doing it? 

Theresa:
[00:33:27 - 00:33:56]
Like, in the episode, like the last episode when they blew it mean, it seemed in character because Hurley just kind of had a freak out and saw them and just panicked. And it's like he associates those numbers with nothing but bad luck and a curse. So that makes sense. There's no way in hell Locke wouldn't have done it. No, Hurley could have said anything, and Locke still would have done it. 

Theresa:
[00:33:56 - 00:33:57]
There's no way. 

Amanda:
[00:33:57 - 00:33:59]
Yeah, 100%. I agree. 

Theresa:
[00:33:59 - 00:34:13]
And I loved in the episode where Hurley's like, why'd you do it, man? Why'd you blow it up? And Locke's like, well, why wouldn't I? Maybe because I was yelling at you not to do it. 

Kip:
[00:34:13 - 00:34:14]
He's like, fair. 

Theresa:
[00:34:17 - 00:34:18]
That was good. 

Kip:
[00:34:18 - 00:34:36]
I like the way Locke is so funny to me because that moment made me laugh. And then later on again, skipping all over the place, but just because we're talking about kind of lockisms when him and Kate are going there, and he's, like, helping her down, and she's like, what do I say if I need to stop? And he's like, stop. 

Theresa:
[00:34:36 - 00:34:37]
I love that, too. 

Kip:
[00:34:38 - 00:34:59]
At the end of the day, he started as a weird, creepy old man, and he does all these things, but at the end of the day, he's, like, pretty upfront. Yeah, he's got his secrets and stuff, but when he talks to people, he literally says, when he tells Boone what he used to do for a living, and he's like, whatever. Yeah, he used to sell boxes. Fine, don't tell me. And he's like, what do I do? 

Kip:
[00:34:59 - 00:35:04]
And he's like, say, stop. I'm not a monster. This isn't like, some. 

Amanda:
[00:35:04 - 00:35:05]
You don't need a safe word. 

Kip:
[00:35:05 - 00:35:13]
And that's the thing with Locke, is like, to him, none of this is a big deal, right? It's just what has to be done. It's his. His. They're going to do what they're going to do. 

Theresa:
[00:35:14 - 00:35:29]
That being said, though, sending Kate down first was weird to his. It was almost like a moment of weakness for Locke, I think. Because it's like, if this was his destiny. And he made that very clear. He was supposed to open it. 

Theresa:
[00:35:29 - 00:35:42]
He's going to find all his answers down there, et cetera. And he sends someone else first. It's like, okay, you have doubt. You certainly have doubt. But he's hiding behind some reasons. 

Theresa:
[00:35:42 - 00:35:44]
Oh, well, she's thinner and lighter. 

Amanda:
[00:35:44 - 00:36:11]
It's funny, because I was going to ask about that, because when he sends Boone up there, it's because he can't move his leg or whatever. And this time there's nothing wrong with him, but he's not the one to go in. And I also found that a little weird because also why the top rungs are fine. Couldn't you just climb down, tie something to the top rung and then climb down yourself? 

Theresa:
[00:36:11 - 00:36:13]
That'd be hard. They don't know how long it is. 

Amanda:
[00:36:14 - 00:36:15]
They assume 40, 50ft. 

Theresa:
[00:36:15 - 00:36:16]
That's true. 

Amanda:
[00:36:16 - 00:36:37]
And if he has enough cable to wrap around his hands around a bunch of trees and then lower her down, like, he has plenty, but it's just kind of like. And he's very resourceful. See, I found that interesting that he wasn't the one to go down, especially if he's someone who wanted to get in there so badly. Any thoughts, pup? 

Kip:
[00:36:38 - 00:36:49]
I don't know. I think there's, like, kind of two schools of thought on it. Right? I don't know. I remember this one time my house alarm went off and I went to. 

Amanda:
[00:36:49 - 00:36:51]
Like, okay, we've gone on a. 

Kip:
[00:36:51 - 00:36:57]
No, but I was there and police came and then the police officer made me go in first. 

Amanda:
[00:36:59 - 00:37:01]
Right, but it's your house. 

Kip:
[00:37:01 - 00:37:09]
I know, but the idea was he thought he was safer for him to be behind me and to keep an eye on stuff. Right. So part of me is like, is that what it was? 

Amanda:
[00:37:10 - 00:37:12]
Was it when you burned your house or was it. 

Kip:
[00:37:12 - 00:37:14]
No, it was a separate time. I don't know why you need to bring that up. 

Amanda:
[00:37:14 - 00:37:16]
Well, because I'm just trying to, like. 

Kip:
[00:37:16 - 00:37:17]
No, the alarm was going. 

Theresa:
[00:37:17 - 00:37:18]
Yeah, I don't think the alarm would go off. 

Amanda:
[00:37:19 - 00:37:20]
And you weren't home? 

Kip:
[00:37:20 - 00:37:29]
No, I came home and I went to unlock the door and I could hear it going off. Okay. So then I just waited because obviously police are coming. And two police officers came and they're like, do you have a key? And I was like, yeah. 

Kip:
[00:37:29 - 00:37:49]
And they're like, okay, open the door and go in and we'll come in behind you. And I thought that was kind of strange. But my dad told me later that it was probably because that officer felt like he had a better way of controlling the situation, if he was behind me and could see what was going on. So my first kind of instinct was like, that was kind of what it was with Locke, that he was like, okay, if I'm up here and she's down there, I can control her going down. I can pull her out. 

Kip:
[00:37:49 - 00:37:57]
I can. Whatever. So there's that piece of it, but then there is a piece of it that I'm like. I also just don't really trust him. So I do think it was like, a little bit of that. 

Kip:
[00:37:57 - 00:38:10]
What you were saying, kip, about the moment of weakness and this idea that he knew, he's, ah, I want to know, but I don't think I can do so that, like, that's, to me, like, the two kind of pieces that come to my mind. 

Amanda:
[00:38:10 - 00:38:11]
That's fair. 

Theresa:
[00:38:12 - 00:38:14]
That's so interesting about the. 

Kip:
[00:38:15 - 00:38:16]
That was. It was scary. 

Theresa:
[00:38:16 - 00:38:17]
I find that weird. 

Kip:
[00:38:17 - 00:38:23]
If it helps, Kelly had just chewed through the baseboard and chewed through the wiring. 

Amanda:
[00:38:23 - 00:38:28]
Kelly was her dog. Everybody knows. It's not like there was a human in there chewing. 

Kip:
[00:38:28 - 00:38:43]
Kelly was just. Anyway, so, no, there was no one who was trying to kill me. But the point is, it was kind of strange, but, I mean, I think there is that piece of it, this control piece for him too, where he wants to know, he wants to do whatever, but he wants to be above it and watching it and not necessarily. 

Theresa:
[00:38:43 - 00:38:54]
In it, almost like he can better react from above. He can better sort of analyse how he's going to react if he knows. Oh, Kate just got eaten. Okay. I know what to expect now. 

Theresa:
[00:38:54 - 00:38:55]
Right? 

Kip:
[00:38:55 - 00:38:58]
But that being said, he clearly can't control anything because it also went to shit. 

Theresa:
[00:38:58 - 00:38:58]
Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:38:59 - 00:39:02]
His poor hands, though. All that blood. Yells. 

Kip:
[00:39:03 - 00:39:21]
And Kate again. So again, I like Kate in this episode. I want to say that because I shit on Kate, and then I get shit on, which I guess is the natural way, but Kate in this episode is very good. I like that she pushes back to Jack. I like that she doesn't listen to him. 

Kip:
[00:39:21 - 00:39:37]
Jack is being controlling. And I know Dan talked about it and we talked about it, and he's entitled and he's this, but at the end of the day, I get he's scared. I get there in crisis or whatever, but let locke do what Locke's going to do. And I like that Kate's like, I'm going to, or whatever. And I like that Locke knew she was coming because she's like, I thought you'd be down there already. 

Kip:
[00:39:37 - 00:39:43]
And he said he was waiting, like. And then when he keeps lowering her after she falls, and she's like, okay. 

Theresa:
[00:39:43 - 00:39:58]
Yeah, I like that part, too. Maybe we should pull me up. Nope. But I agree. I think Jack was very controlling, and I like that he didn't really push back against Kate going, no. 

Theresa:
[00:39:58 - 00:40:12]
Because I kind of expected him to make a fight and be like, no, you're. Yeah. Like, even just try to reason with her not to go. But I think even he could sort of, at that point, see the writing on the wall? It's like, okay, well, they're going to just do it, so I'll stay here. 

Theresa:
[00:40:12 - 00:40:16]
Even though he doesn't. He has to go, too. 

Amanda:
[00:40:16 - 00:40:18]
It annoys me that he went, to be honest. 

Theresa:
[00:40:19 - 00:40:20]
It's only because Kate was there. 

Amanda:
[00:40:20 - 00:40:29]
Yeah. And that's what kind of irritates me is like, you're barking all these things at locke being like, we're not doing this. We're not doing this. Let's go, let's go. And then because Kate goes, you're like, okay, I'm going to go, too. 

Amanda:
[00:40:29 - 00:40:32]
What about everybody else? Did you think about them at all? 

Theresa:
[00:40:32 - 00:40:34]
No, I don't think he did. 

Amanda:
[00:40:34 - 00:40:40]
It's a little ridiculous. Have you solved the immediate issue? No. Okay, cool. Awesome. 

Amanda:
[00:40:40 - 00:40:42]
That's what you're mad about, right? 

Theresa:
[00:40:42 - 00:40:57]
Maybe he felt encouraged hearing that Danielle set the fire, and that wasn't, to the best of their knowledge, an actual warning that the others were coming. So maybe he felt like it was diffused a little bit. 

Amanda:
[00:40:58 - 00:41:04]
Maybe he's just weird when it comes to Kate, and it drives me crazy because. 

Kip:
[00:41:06 - 00:41:08]
He'S just weird when it comes to women. 

Theresa:
[00:41:08 - 00:41:16]
Yeah, he is. Speaking of that, let's talk about his flashbacks for a minute. First of all, let me just say I agree, I do not like that hairpiece. 

Amanda:
[00:41:16 - 00:41:17]
It was bad. 

Theresa:
[00:41:17 - 00:41:18]
It's really bad. 

Kip:
[00:41:18 - 00:41:21]
I feel like he stole it from the set of his old show, party five. 

Theresa:
[00:41:21 - 00:41:23]
It looks like a 90s sort of, like, teen throb hair. 

Kip:
[00:41:23 - 00:41:33]
Did he, like, have that sitting on, like, a shelf? And he's like, whip this one out. Don't worry, guys. I was a brother father teen family. 

Amanda:
[00:41:34 - 00:41:34]
What is happening? 

Kip:
[00:41:35 - 00:41:39]
That's what party of five was like. Their parents died and then he brother Father teen. 

Amanda:
[00:41:39 - 00:41:40]
I was just like, what? 

Theresa:
[00:41:40 - 00:41:42]
Sounds like a TLC show. 

Amanda:
[00:41:42 - 00:41:44]
I know. I thought you were going to say that you. Oh, my. 

Kip:
[00:41:44 - 00:41:48]
No. In party of five, he's like the oldest and their parents die, and he has to take care of their siblings. 

Amanda:
[00:41:48 - 00:41:49]
Oh, I never watched. 

Kip:
[00:41:49 - 00:41:50]
One of them is Jennifer Love Hewitt. 

Amanda:
[00:41:50 - 00:41:51]
That I knew. 

Kip:
[00:41:51 - 00:41:55]
One is Neve Campbell. Apparently it's neve Neve is what? 

Amanda:
[00:41:56 - 00:41:57]
Not Nev. Everybody just called her Nev. 

Theresa:
[00:41:57 - 00:42:01]
No, we all said Nev for so long. 

Kip:
[00:42:01 - 00:42:03]
It's like, neve or Neve, 30 years. 

Theresa:
[00:42:03 - 00:42:06]
Later, she's like, oh, it's Neve. What? 

Amanda:
[00:42:07 - 00:42:07]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:42:07 - 00:42:16]
No, seriously. So I heard that the last scream movie. Anyway, the point is he clearly stole that from the set of party of five as a souvenir and then was like, I need to whip it out again because. What the fuck was that? Hair. 

Theresa:
[00:42:16 - 00:42:20]
So you have thoughts on him choosing which patient? 

Kip:
[00:42:20 - 00:42:21]
Oh, my God, yes. 

Theresa:
[00:42:21 - 00:42:22]
Let's hear him. 

Kip:
[00:42:22 - 00:42:32]
He is such a dick. Okay, maybe I'm looking at it differently, but wasn't he in worse shape than her when they came in? 

Amanda:
[00:42:34 - 00:42:35]
What did he have? 

Kip:
[00:42:35 - 00:42:37]
He was literally coding. She wasn't. 

Theresa:
[00:42:37 - 00:42:38]
What does coding mean? 

Kip:
[00:42:40 - 00:42:43]
His heart was. He was dying, right? 

Amanda:
[00:42:43 - 00:42:44]
Is that what it was? 

Kip:
[00:42:44 - 00:42:47]
I don't know. Now I'm like, remember she looked chest too rough. 

Theresa:
[00:42:47 - 00:42:48]
She had the thing sticking out of. 

Kip:
[00:42:48 - 00:42:55]
Don't get me wrong, she looked rough. But I feel like he picked based on her gender. 

Amanda:
[00:42:55 - 00:42:59]
Yes, but don't you also have to pick based on the odds of survival? 

Theresa:
[00:42:59 - 00:43:03]
And maybe he made a calculation. Like, this guy, he is not going to last. 

Amanda:
[00:43:04 - 00:43:09]
Like, I'm going to spend a lot of time trying to revive him where I can probably buy her more time. 

Kip:
[00:43:09 - 00:43:16]
Everything you've seen him do with Kate, what do you think is more likely? Fate, my assessment of the situation or your complex one? 

Amanda:
[00:43:16 - 00:43:22]
Mine's not complex. I'm pretty sure that's what doctors are meant to do. But the problem is, did he or. 

Kip:
[00:43:22 - 00:43:24]
Did he not really the pretty blonde lady? 

Amanda:
[00:43:26 - 00:43:39]
Because she was a pretty lady. I'm going to look this up later and I'm going to look what up? What everybody had. And then I'm going to use my grey's anatomy doctorate to figure out Sarah. 

Kip:
[00:43:39 - 00:43:45]
It doesn't even look like he thought about it, though. It was more like what? He didn't assess him. That's what I'm more like. 

Amanda:
[00:43:45 - 00:43:49]
Well, they told him what was the thing and it's the same with her when you bring up. 

Kip:
[00:43:49 - 00:43:51]
I don't know, I don't trust him. 

Amanda:
[00:43:51 - 00:43:53]
That I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Kip:
[00:43:53 - 00:43:54]
Why? 

Amanda:
[00:43:54 - 00:43:57]
Because he's a doctor? Oh, my God. 

Kip:
[00:43:57 - 00:44:00]
He's really shitty at it, apparently. 

Theresa:
[00:44:00 - 00:44:03]
If this episode tells us anything, keep. 

Amanda:
[00:44:03 - 00:44:08]
In mind we haven't seen yet, he's a shitty bedside mannery kind of guy. 

Kip:
[00:44:08 - 00:44:09]
No, I know. 

Theresa:
[00:44:09 - 00:44:16]
I'm just saying we can kind of imagine with his. Didn't Boone also tell him he needed work on his bedside manner. 

Amanda:
[00:44:16 - 00:44:23]
Yeah. He's just, like, the coldest human when he's, like, giving. And I get that there has to be some of this episode. 

Theresa:
[00:44:23 - 00:44:24]
Hurley did. 

Amanda:
[00:44:24 - 00:44:32]
There has to be some kind of separation from, like, obviously you can't be crying when you're telling someone, but, like, my God, you're like, he died. 

Theresa:
[00:44:33 - 00:44:34]
What happened to the other guy? 

Kip:
[00:44:34 - 00:44:36]
He's dead. You murdered him. 

Theresa:
[00:44:36 - 00:44:37]
He's dead because of you. 

Amanda:
[00:44:37 - 00:44:41]
So the damage was really bad, and you're never going to walk again. But we're going to try. 

Theresa:
[00:44:41 - 00:44:44]
But you won't. There's a 99% chance it won't work. 

Kip:
[00:44:44 - 00:44:53]
But, like, with everything Jack over corrects, so he's like, I have no bedside matter. I have no bedside matter. I'm going to bang my patient. 

Theresa:
[00:44:53 - 00:45:10]
Yeah, I think he went there real quick. The surgery part where he's whispering to her and all the nurses and orderlies are, like, watching him. That's awkward because he's like, I'm going to save you. And they're all just like. 

Kip:
[00:45:12 - 00:45:13]
He is. 

Amanda:
[00:45:13 - 00:45:24]
All or nothing when he tells Sarah that she's never going to walk again. You killed someone. And his dad is like, you got to give them some hope. Even if it's a 1%. Just give him, like, a little hope. 

Amanda:
[00:45:24 - 00:45:25]
And he's like, I will fix it. 

Kip:
[00:45:26 - 00:45:28]
Christian was like, break the law. 

Amanda:
[00:45:29 - 00:45:31]
Just be like, I'm going to do my best. 

Theresa:
[00:45:31 - 00:45:34]
You're so right. He's like, full on zero to 100. 

Amanda:
[00:45:35 - 00:45:38]
You're never supposed to promise that. My God. 

Theresa:
[00:45:39 - 00:45:43]
Oh, that's what he does. He loves to make promises that are impossible to keep. 

Kip:
[00:45:43 - 00:45:45]
And then he works way too hard at it. 

Theresa:
[00:45:45 - 00:45:46]
Boone. 

Amanda:
[00:45:46 - 00:45:52]
Well, that's why I like that. She's like, it's okay. And then it's like, boone when he's like, we're good. 

Kip:
[00:45:52 - 00:45:58]
And when son stops him, that episode tries to stop him, I should say. 

Theresa:
[00:45:58 - 00:46:00]
Yeah, no, Jack's that. 

Kip:
[00:46:00 - 00:46:02]
Jack's insane. Christian was good. 

Amanda:
[00:46:02 - 00:46:03]
That was kind of when Christian was. 

Kip:
[00:46:03 - 00:46:26]
At his peak of actually helping to nurture him. And I get it. And she's sad and she's charismatic and she wants to do that, but I just don't understand why it's so hard for him to still believe when he sees something like that. What does he think happened? Does he still think that he just. 

Theresa:
[00:46:27 - 00:46:30]
That it was like something he didn't. 

Kip:
[00:46:30 - 00:46:32]
Realise how good he had done it? I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:46:33 - 00:46:46]
I don't know either. It's like he fixates way too hard on the negatives and then even when it works in his favour, he still can't even believe that it could. Why? I don't get it. What's the matter? 

Theresa:
[00:46:46 - 00:46:47]
You're, like, looking all weird over there. 

Amanda:
[00:46:47 - 00:46:51]
Oh, I was trying to see what his injuries were. 

Kip:
[00:46:51 - 00:46:53]
I think the wiki is just going to list his injuries. 

Amanda:
[00:46:53 - 00:47:07]
Well, no. Well, what this says is he was brought into the same time as Sarah, and Jack Shepard was forced to triage the two patients, opting to attend to the woman, even though her injuries appeared to be more severe. 

Theresa:
[00:47:08 - 00:47:11]
Her injuries appeared to be more severe? 

Amanda:
[00:47:11 - 00:47:12]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:47:12 - 00:47:15]
So your theory of how he should have then maybe concentrated on the other. 

Theresa:
[00:47:15 - 00:47:19]
Guy backwards because she's a pretty blonde girl. 

Amanda:
[00:47:19 - 00:47:28]
Yeah, looks like. But then again, I do not have an MD. I'm only a gamd, and that's not good enough to. 

Theresa:
[00:47:28 - 00:47:32]
No, but we are television fans, and. 

Kip:
[00:47:32 - 00:47:51]
We know that Jack is a sexist piece of shit. And even Desmond called him out for it, meeting him for the first time. So let's talk about that, because I forgot that that happened so quickly. But it makes sense, as it would, because then it wouldn't be as exciting of a moment. But he knows Desmond. 

Kip:
[00:47:51 - 00:47:54]
He met Desmond. Desmond called him out for having an issue with a girl. 

Theresa:
[00:47:55 - 00:48:00]
Yeah. He's like, it's about a girl, right? And Jack tries to make it not, but. 

Kip:
[00:48:01 - 00:48:02]
Female patient. 

Theresa:
[00:48:04 - 00:48:19]
Their conversation reminded me very much of Jack's conversation with Locke in season one, when Jack's running after his father, or his image of his father. And Locke's just, like, collecting water from leaves. 

Kip:
[00:48:23 - 00:48:24]
Classic Jack. 

Theresa:
[00:48:24 - 00:48:38]
And, like, especially when Desmond says something like, could it happen? Could you save her? And he's like, no. The chances are no. But could you? 

Theresa:
[00:48:38 - 00:48:48]
Could you? Or something like that. He essentially says, like, it could happen, right? And I remember Locke saying something like, what if what you're seeing is actually there? And Jack's like, well, that's impossible. 

Theresa:
[00:48:48 - 00:49:09]
And Locke's like, well, let's just pretend it's not like. It's almost like these two conversations were very similar. And it kind of like, Jack just doesn't learn because he's had these moments in the past, and then you're seeing now, like, this is conversation with Devon. Desmond took place well before he had this conversation with Locke on the island. He's still refusing to believe. 

Kip:
[00:49:09 - 00:49:19]
And that's exactly what drives me nuts about the Hurley conversation. Right? It's like, any which way you want to look at it. You want to be like, I'm sciency, I'm logicy, whatever. I care. 

Kip:
[00:49:19 - 00:49:43]
It's strange. Why? Have you not learned that strange things happen, that there's more than. Does he think that it was just a coincidence that Sarah was like, he went there thinking he had failed, and then she was fine. Not fine, but why can't you accept that that happened and what has happened in the interim that you keep not believing? 

Kip:
[00:49:43 - 00:49:44]
Right. 

Theresa:
[00:49:44 - 00:50:03]
Yeah. And, I mean, I think we do get glimpses of that later on, but just going back to the numbers thing, I mean, when you look at it, everything that's just happened to him in the past 44 days, why he shouldn't be so quick to dismiss that, given everything that. And it's just like, come on, you've. 

Amanda:
[00:50:03 - 00:50:05]
Seen some crazy things. 

Theresa:
[00:50:05 - 00:50:11]
I think you're right. I think it's just him pushing it down because he doesn't want to accept that there are things that he can't understand. 

Kip:
[00:50:12 - 00:50:13]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:50:14 - 00:50:16]
He is a stubborn, stubborn boy. 

Kip:
[00:50:20 - 00:50:25]
We can't understand. Did you guys remember that Walt appears to Shannon? 

Amanda:
[00:50:25 - 00:50:32]
I remembered. I just didn't know what he said. I just remember the. Then the leg dripping, and I was like, oh, no. 

Theresa:
[00:50:32 - 00:50:47]
Yeah, I remember he appeared, and I do remember that he spoke backwards, but I didn't really know what it said until I looked it up. What the theories. Don't know if. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. 

Theresa:
[00:50:47 - 00:50:56]
I feel like Shannon going back and, like, I saw Walt. I don't know if she would do that. Maybe she would. I don't just. It felt really weird. 

Kip:
[00:50:56 - 00:50:57]
Screaming her bloody lungs. 

Theresa:
[00:50:57 - 00:51:10]
Yeah, exactly. I know what I saw. And it just seemed weird that she just goes through this almost, like, traumatic thing, and then he just disappears. It's not like she saw him walk away. He just disappeared. 

Theresa:
[00:51:10 - 00:51:15]
And she's so quick to let it out there that she saw this creepy vision. 

Kip:
[00:51:15 - 00:51:16]
I agree. 

Amanda:
[00:51:17 - 00:51:21]
And I felt bad for son. She's like, oh, yeah, she looks so concerned. 

Theresa:
[00:51:21 - 00:51:24]
I'm like, oh, my God, that's right. 

Amanda:
[00:51:25 - 00:51:43]
But I don't know. It's one of those weird things where if it was actually Walt, wouldn't he go with you and not just vanish into the jungle? Wouldn't he want to be with other human beings and warm and not. 

Kip:
[00:51:45 - 00:51:48]
Like, I think it's just hard, like, she's struggling so much. 

Amanda:
[00:51:48 - 00:51:49]
Right? 

Theresa:
[00:51:49 - 00:52:00]
Yeah. And that's true. Remembering, too, that Boone did just die a few days ago. She feels very touched that Walt gave her the dog to look after. Oh, that was so. 

Theresa:
[00:52:00 - 00:52:06]
Like, she's obviously in a very fragile state. What else happened? 

Amanda:
[00:52:06 - 00:52:10]
Am I the only one who forgot that said? And Shannon were a couple for a hot minute until he. 

Kip:
[00:52:10 - 00:52:18]
I'm going to be honest with you. I spend a significant amount of emotional currency trying to forget that Shannon and said are a couple. 

Amanda:
[00:52:18 - 00:52:32]
I've actually been seeing a lot of random buzzfeed articles about best couples or worst couples. Shannon said one of the biggest ones where they're like, this couple made no sense. There's no. 

Kip:
[00:52:33 - 00:52:36]
Just sayeed is too good for her. 

Theresa:
[00:52:36 - 00:52:36]
It's true. 

Kip:
[00:52:36 - 00:52:39]
It doesn't make sense, and it just doesn't make sense to me. 

Amanda:
[00:52:39 - 00:52:47]
I just can't even, like, there's just no chemistry. You gave her some shoes and a scarf once, and she sang to you. 

Theresa:
[00:52:48 - 00:52:48]
I don't know. 

Amanda:
[00:52:48 - 00:52:58]
It's very weird. Yeah. This episode when he's, like, comforting her and he's, like, grabbing her face, I was like, you guys are a little intimate. I'm like, oh, wait, you're a couple. 

Theresa:
[00:52:58 - 00:53:30]
So Jack goes down, follows the, and goes through some very. I liked how we didn't see anything about Locke and Kate, and then we're just kind of seeing it from Jack's point of view. Like the creepy mural, the clearly, like, cemented shut doorway where his key is obviously attracted to it. So some sort of magnetic force going on. And then you have the worrying computers, the geodesic dome that's in a cave. 

Amanda:
[00:53:30 - 00:53:31]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:53:31 - 00:53:36]
It was very well done. Because we have no idea what happened to locker Kate. We still don't know what happened to Kate. 

Theresa:
[00:53:36 - 00:53:37]
No, we don't. 

Kip:
[00:53:37 - 00:53:39]
Locke's being held at gunpoint, but he's. 

Amanda:
[00:53:39 - 00:53:42]
Very calm, which leads me to believe that this isn't as dire. 

Theresa:
[00:53:42 - 00:53:43]
Locke. 

Amanda:
[00:53:43 - 00:53:51]
Yeah, because he's just. There's no. There's no fear in his eyes. He's just kind of like, it's fine. 

Theresa:
[00:53:51 - 00:54:24]
Oh, I wanted to bring up, before we go on, I liked Locke and Kate's conversation about the smoke monster, and I forget what brought them to it, but Locke says, well, a few hours ago, I was just dragged down a hole by what appeared to be a large column of black smoke. Did you see it, Kate? And she goes, yeah. And then his little comment, like, what do you think Jack saw? Or I wonder what Jack thinks he, like, that was such a cool little quip. 

Kip:
[00:54:24 - 00:54:41]
Well, it's true, though, right? It's like, what is it going to take for Jack to stop explaining all of this away? And I think that's kind of where he's getting at that. It's a nice way of saying, I wonder what delusions Jack's telling himself today to get out of thinking about that one, Kate. 

Amanda:
[00:54:42 - 00:54:45]
It was just a small, weird, black mudslide that dragged. 

Theresa:
[00:54:45 - 00:54:51]
What does he think it is? I would love to know. I'd really like to hear Jack's explanation for that same. 

Amanda:
[00:54:51 - 00:55:00]
Remember when in the beginning, where trees would just be, like, getting knocked down? Like, was he just like, wind? Just bad. Bad foundation? 

Theresa:
[00:55:00 - 00:55:19]
Yeah. So, yeah, then he finds the computer with a little ms dos style, a little angry, which I loved. And then we see, and you can kind of see, like, on his face, he's kind of excited for a second, being like, oh, my God, a computer. Maybe I can communicate with someone. And then right away he's shot down by locksing. 

Theresa:
[00:55:19 - 00:55:24]
Don't do that. Or, I wouldn't do that if I were you. And we get angry. Jack back? 

Amanda:
[00:55:24 - 00:55:26]
Yeah. Did he always have. 

Theresa:
[00:55:27 - 00:55:33]
Yeah, yeah, he had a gun. He mentioned that the caves, they still have four guns, like, on him. Well, I would assume. 

Kip:
[00:55:33 - 00:55:34]
I think he always has one on. 

Amanda:
[00:55:34 - 00:55:43]
Him because I was just like. I'm like, did you go back? Because when I saw the key being magnetised and then he pulled out the gun, I'm like, did he go back for the gun? 

Theresa:
[00:55:43 - 00:55:44]
No. 

Amanda:
[00:55:45 - 00:55:47]
You just carry a gun with you all the time? 

Theresa:
[00:55:47 - 00:55:58]
Yeah. Remember that night they were trying to secure and protect everyone and I think he was going down not knowing what he would run into. So obviously it makes sense that he would have a gun. 

Amanda:
[00:55:58 - 00:56:13]
I hate that he went down there. It really just drives me crazy because he spent so much time in the episode being, no, we're going back now. And then Kate's like, I'm going to go. And he's like, okay, let me follow. Get out of here. 

Amanda:
[00:56:14 - 00:56:21]
Everybody else is still in that cave where you left the dynamite, by the way. Very strange. Oh, my God. Yeah. I find it so frustrating. 

Theresa:
[00:56:21 - 00:56:28]
Was it you, Amanda, who said, do you think Desmond recognises Jack? Or was that you, Teresa? 

Kip:
[00:56:28 - 00:56:29]
It was in your stream of. 

Theresa:
[00:56:31 - 00:56:35]
Maybe, but, yeah. Like, it didn't look like he did at first. 

Kip:
[00:56:35 - 00:56:35]
No. 

Theresa:
[00:56:35 - 00:56:38]
Jack certainly seemed to recognise him. 

Kip:
[00:56:39 - 00:56:55]
But I think we're going to realise that Desmond's been through a little bit since that fateful mean. And it's hard to, like, we don't know the exact timeline. Do we find out at their wedding, how long before their wedding her accident had been. 

Amanda:
[00:56:55 - 00:56:56]
I think so. 

Theresa:
[00:56:56 - 00:56:57]
I think so. 

Kip:
[00:56:59 - 00:57:02]
We don't know exactly how long their wedding was before the. 

Theresa:
[00:57:05 - 00:57:16]
So, no, we don't know. The timeline's iffy at this point. I can't quite calculate it, I don't think. But Desmond certainly didn't appear to recognise him off the hop. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:57:16 - 00:57:20]
What a mic drop moment, though. Yeah, very cool, very cool. 

Kip:
[00:57:21 - 00:57:41]
Well, again, even that, like, Jack crashed on a fucking island. Add in the fact that where you met that guy was in the middle of the night in a place where you were the only two people. You cannot tell me again that you don't think something is at play here. 

Theresa:
[00:57:42 - 00:57:42]
Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:57:43 - 00:57:50]
I mean, technically, we don't know yet if he doesn't think that because we ended with that kind of reveal that. 

Theresa:
[00:57:51 - 00:57:54]
We know he know he's going to. 

Amanda:
[00:57:54 - 00:58:12]
Be like, man, what is with your Jack? I came back down here because I'm just trying to see if I didn't know what I knew, how I would feel. And that's why I keep not defending Jack. That's not the right word. 

Theresa:
[00:58:12 - 00:58:15]
And for the record, Jack's my favourite character. 

Kip:
[00:58:15 - 00:58:17]
Me too, but no, Desmond is. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:58:17 - 00:58:18]
I was going to say, like, what do you want? 

Theresa:
[00:58:18 - 00:58:23]
Jack's my favourite character and I still think he was being a dick this episode. 

Amanda:
[00:58:23 - 00:58:38]
Oh, he was 100%. He was so. Just unnecessarily mean and demanding and controlling. I think that's why it's so frustrating that he just ended up doing the thing that he didn't want them to do. 

Kip:
[00:58:38 - 00:58:50]
I also have to bring something up that I just find weird. So he comes back from that run and he's sweaty and stinky still. And then he says, but I showered. Yeah, I just didn't cool down, I guess. So what does that mean? 

Kip:
[00:58:50 - 00:58:53]
So he just kept sweating after and got stinky again. 

Amanda:
[00:58:53 - 00:58:56]
The stinky part I don't get. The sweating part I've had happen. 

Kip:
[00:58:57 - 00:58:59]
Like, after you've showered, you've still been sweating? 

Amanda:
[00:58:59 - 00:59:10]
Yeah. When I was in the Philippines, I was so hot. I was sweating. I took a shower and I was still very warm. So even though I was clean, my hair was wet and then I was still sweating. 

Theresa:
[00:59:10 - 00:59:12]
But you put in wouldn't stink, though. 

Amanda:
[00:59:12 - 00:59:15]
No, that's what I mean. The stinky part doesn't make any. Did he put deodorant? 

Kip:
[00:59:15 - 00:59:17]
I just thought that was a funny little. 

Theresa:
[00:59:17 - 00:59:18]
It was a weird moment. 

Amanda:
[00:59:18 - 00:59:22]
And how strong is your bo that sitting across the room. She can smell you. 

Theresa:
[00:59:22 - 00:59:24]
I thought he was sitting right by the bed. 

Amanda:
[00:59:24 - 00:59:25]
I thought he was against the wall. 

Kip:
[00:59:25 - 00:59:29]
No, he's by the bed. But I still think it's like she's laying down, he's sitting kind of near her. 

Theresa:
[00:59:29 - 00:59:31]
Yeah, it's a little ridiculous. 

Kip:
[00:59:31 - 00:59:33]
I thought that was like a little weird, unnecessary scene. 

Theresa:
[00:59:33 - 00:59:38]
It was because they're trying to, like, be flirty, be flirty, play up their little love. 

Amanda:
[00:59:38 - 00:59:42]
If someone asked me why I stunk, I would not be like, man, they're flirting with me. 

Kip:
[00:59:42 - 00:59:47]
I just also like, is that appropriate that he date a patient? Even like, no, not at all. 

Theresa:
[00:59:48 - 00:59:58]
Also, I didn't really find that moment that beautiful where they were, like, jumping up and down for joy because she has feelings. 

Amanda:
[00:59:58 - 00:59:59]
I didn't think it was beautiful either. 

Kip:
[00:59:59 - 01:00:01]
It's so beautiful. What do you fucking. 

Amanda:
[01:00:01 - 01:00:04]
She. When she was crying, I was like, what is happening? 

Theresa:
[01:00:04 - 01:00:09]
I could see her crying, but I didn't believe Jack would cry. I didn't believe it. 

Kip:
[01:00:09 - 01:00:09]
Fair enough. 

Amanda:
[01:00:09 - 01:00:13]
I feel like he'd be like, oh, I must have put the right things together. 

Kip:
[01:00:13 - 01:00:16]
You must be like, no, your legs are broken. And they hit them with a smash. 

Theresa:
[01:00:16 - 01:00:17]
This wouldn't work. 

Kip:
[01:00:17 - 01:00:20]
I can't let you be my walking miracle. I don't believe in them. 

Amanda:
[01:00:20 - 01:00:21]
It was so. 

Theresa:
[01:00:22 - 01:00:36]
It. Okay, so I think I'm very excited for this season's iteration of the rankings, the character rankings. Theresa, let us have it. 

Amanda:
[01:00:37 - 01:00:44]
So I'm going to change it up a little bit in terms of me reading them out because we don't need to know all the numbers. That's kind of aggressive. 

Theresa:
[01:00:44 - 01:00:45]
We do. 

Amanda:
[01:00:45 - 01:00:47]
Okay. So I'm not going to change it. 

Theresa:
[01:00:47 - 01:00:48]
Up. 

Amanda:
[01:00:49 - 01:00:56]
But I will put some of the notable changes. Okay. In here. 

Theresa:
[01:00:56 - 01:00:57]
You do it however you want. 

Amanda:
[01:00:57 - 01:01:09]
No, it's fine. So let's keep in mind we only had, like, one, two, three. We only had, like five, six characters in this episode out of 15. So at number one. Oh, wait. 

Amanda:
[01:01:09 - 01:01:30]
We always start from the bottom. Sorry. Obviously he's still at the bottom. Speaking of season two, we haven't even seen him. Michael, with my negative 1355, Shannon actually went up, but, I mean, only in value, not rank. 

Amanda:
[01:01:30 - 01:01:57]
She's still at number 14 with negative 955. Kate also went up, but again, because she's so low, we're still pretty low. And she's still at number 13 with negative 205. We have Riso, who cracks the non or the positive numbers with 25. Desmond, our new arrival, comes in at number eleven with 50. 

Amanda:
[01:01:58 - 01:02:16]
I've taken Boone out of the rankings mainly because obviously I'll still keep him in my general numbers, but he's dead. We're just going to put it bluntly, as Jack would say, boone's dead, so there's no point in really saying his name every single time. 

Theresa:
[01:02:16 - 01:02:16]
No, that's fine. 

Kip:
[01:02:17 - 01:02:20]
Jack goes in front of the mirror, though, and it's like, Boone's dead. You killed him. 

Amanda:
[01:02:23 - 01:02:23]
He died. 

Kip:
[01:02:24 - 01:02:24]
His bedside matter. 

Amanda:
[01:02:24 - 01:02:25]
You couldn't save him. 

Kip:
[01:02:25 - 01:02:26]
Yes. 

Amanda:
[01:02:27 - 01:02:37]
Then Walt with 240. He actually went down due to creepiness. Sure. But he hasn't really moved in the rankings. Charlie. 

Amanda:
[01:02:37 - 01:02:56]
He went from, I think, eight to nine, mainly because of the whole denial thing, which was just very bizarre and also. Shut up. So Charlie's at number nine with 670. Claire is at number eight with 680. Sawyer wasn't there, unfortunately. 

Amanda:
[01:02:57 - 01:03:08]
Number seven with 770. Jin also unfortunately wasn't there, 780. So this is the biggest switch. It's between Jack and Locke. So Locke was actually below Jack. 

Amanda:
[01:03:08 - 01:03:21]
And now it's the other way around. Jack comes in at number five with 785. Locke went up to 875. At number four, Sayeed 920. At number three. 

Amanda:
[01:03:21 - 01:03:25]
Number two, we have Hurley with 1265. And sun still at the top. 

Theresa:
[01:03:25 - 01:03:25]
Wow. 

Amanda:
[01:03:26 - 01:03:27]
With 1395. 

Theresa:
[01:03:28 - 01:03:29]
Wonderful. 

Amanda:
[01:03:29 - 01:03:40]
She's our queen. You know what's funny about these rankings? So Amanda was on Facebook and she saw an old. You remember Facebook notes. 

Theresa:
[01:03:40 - 01:03:41]
Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[01:03:41 - 01:03:51]
So I had notes on my Facebook called the Lost Files, where I started doing rankings while we were watching. And did you know the sun was at the bottom? 

Theresa:
[01:03:51 - 01:03:52]
What? 

Amanda:
[01:03:52 - 01:04:00]
And I think it's because when I watched it the first, like, I was just, like a young, like, oh, my God, boys are so hot all the time. I still think boys are hot, but. 

Kip:
[01:04:00 - 01:04:04]
Things have changed significantly over here. Let's get lost in the last 15 years. 

Amanda:
[01:04:05 - 01:04:14]
Anyway, I think they got. They got points for flexing and. I don't know, but I think the top people were just. Were all men. I think you were also a little. 

Kip:
[01:04:14 - 01:04:15]
Bit judgy of Sutton back in the day. 

Amanda:
[01:04:15 - 01:04:18]
I don't know why. I love her. 

Theresa:
[01:04:18 - 01:04:19]
That's so interesting. 

Kip:
[01:04:19 - 01:04:21]
She had lied to her husband for a long time. 

Amanda:
[01:04:21 - 01:04:24]
Yeah. But also, she's been so helpful outside of that. 

Kip:
[01:04:24 - 01:04:27]
Yeah, I know. She's great. But I'm just saying, theresa, are. 

Amanda:
[01:04:27 - 01:04:35]
How long can you keep punishing the person for something they've apologised for? Michael has done nothing redeeming. 

Theresa:
[01:04:35 - 01:04:36]
All right. 

Kip:
[01:04:39 - 01:04:40]
You see my son. 

Amanda:
[01:04:40 - 01:04:42]
Oh, no. 

Theresa:
[01:04:47 - 01:04:50]
Well, shall we do our own episode rankings? 

Kip:
[01:04:51 - 01:04:51]
Absolutely. 

Amanda:
[01:04:52 - 01:04:53]
Yum. 

Theresa:
[01:04:53 - 01:04:54]
Absolutely. 

Amanda:
[01:04:54 - 01:04:56]
Positivity. 

Theresa:
[01:04:56 - 01:04:57]
Fruitly. Mootly. 

Amanda:
[01:04:58 - 01:04:58]
Positive. 

Kip:
[01:04:59 - 01:05:16]
I'm going to start. The hell is happening over there? I'll get us started by saying that I think this is a phenomenal episode. I think, like I said kind of before, that not a lot happens. For an episode where a lot happens, I don't think that's a bad thing. 

Kip:
[01:05:16 - 01:05:28]
I think that when you come off a cliffhanger like that, it's okay. To kind of have some momentum build and then slow it a bit. It is the beginning of the season. We do get some good information. We get some good reveals. 

Kip:
[01:05:28 - 01:05:50]
We get a bit of a cliffhanger. I don't love that. I don't find the flashbacks to be as conducive to the online story as they could, but overall, I think it's a good one. I don't think I would go as high as the IMDb ranking, but definitely that beginning sequence alone, I think is Emmy worthy. And I would say that it's probably a nine out of ten for me. 

Theresa:
[01:05:51 - 01:06:07]
Nice. I'm going with nine, too. And strictly for that opening sequence, it is so good. It is so good. I love every second of it and I love just the connection to that iconic image of them looking down the vault. 

Theresa:
[01:06:08 - 01:06:14]
But, yeah. So nine for me. I think I agree with pretty much everything you said, amanda. 

Amanda:
[01:06:16 - 01:06:53]
I think for the first time in the history of let's get lost, we have a unanimous score of nine across the board. I also give it a nine. Obviously, I'm not going to talk about the opening scene because we've talked it to death already, but I also really like this episode for the change that you kind of feel in the series. I think the first part of the series especially talked a lot in the beginning about the survival aspect and how they weren't being practical and this and that. There's a shift because now he's talking a little bit more about something else is going on and I want to know more. 

Amanda:
[01:06:53 - 01:07:07]
This is probably one of the first takes that he's had where he wasn't. He didn't say anything about how they brought dynamite to a cave. Right. Like, usually he's. He's tuned into, like, the practical aspects of the show. 

Amanda:
[01:07:07 - 01:07:28]
And this is the first time where he was more focused on what else was happening. And I think that's what this episode really did for me, even as I was watching it and even just reflecting on it. And I think that they did it in a very smart way. And I'm super confused about how I feel about Jack. Jack's super confused about how he feels about what's happening on the island. 

Amanda:
[01:07:28 - 01:07:55]
And so I think they did a really good job of having us as the Watcher essentially go through similar feelings that Jack would have and really takes you away from the immediate issue of someone may or may not be coming and now you're more involved with. Well, now what else is Theresa and why is a big one that's a. 

Theresa:
[01:07:55 - 01:08:09]
Really good final take Theresa. I really like that. Thank you. Good job. Well, and thank you for listening and downloading our podcast and coming on this journey with us again in season two. 

Theresa:
[01:08:09 - 01:08:10]
Love having you here. 

Kip:
[01:08:10 - 01:08:33]
So just to remind you that we do have a social media presence, you can visit us on Instagram on let's get lost pod. Please come take a look. Like subscribe on anywhere you get your podcasts, Spotify, Apple, et cetera, et cetera. And we'll be hopefully releasing once a week starting now. 

Theresa:
[01:08:34 - 01:08:36]
That's right. See you in a week. Bye. 

Kip:
[01:08:40 - 01:08:41]
Look at us. Scale.