Theresa:
[00:00:11 - 00:00:27]
We're three best friends, and we love Lost, and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about Lost. So join us for some laughs, good conversation, and let's get lost together. You. Hello. 

Amanda:
[00:00:27 - 00:00:28]
Hello. 

Theresa:
[00:00:28 - 00:00:56]
And we are back with myself, Kipper Hess. We also have our three cutest furry friends with us as well, Jasper, Pogo and Jane. And we are back to talk about episode two, adrift. And it's a Michael episode, so that's always puzzy teeth for no one. And, Amanda, why don't you start us off with a quick synopsis? 

Amanda:
[00:00:56 - 00:00:58]
Oh, Theresa, just getting right into it. 

Kip:
[00:00:58 - 00:00:59]
Okay. Hi. 

Amanda:
[00:00:59 - 00:01:05]
How is everyone's week? How's everyone doing? How is everyone feeling? No, how are you feeling after the. 

Theresa:
[00:01:05 - 00:01:08]
Negative about the episode? 

Amanda:
[00:01:08 - 00:01:08]
Okay. 

Kip:
[00:01:12 - 00:01:14]
Thanks for listening this week. 

Theresa:
[00:01:14 - 00:01:15]
Goodbye. 

Amanda:
[00:01:15 - 00:01:31]
Goodbye. It's over. Okay. Well, in that case, let's just get right into this synopsis. This is adrift, written by Stephen, Amanda and Leonard Dick, directed by Stephen Williams. 

Amanda:
[00:01:32 - 00:02:01]
Sawyer and Michael find themselves stuck in the middle of the ocean on what is left of their raft. With no sign of Walt or Jin, Claire confronts Charlie about a discovery she has made. Among his belongings, Locke and Kate face the man in the hatch and discover the significance of the numbers. Back on the ocean, Michael and Sawyer put aside their differences long enough to reach land where more trouble awaits. And the good news is, everyone, we don't have to discuss the episode synopsis has told us everything, even the stuff that big. 

Theresa:
[00:02:01 - 00:02:03]
Like, oh, my God, I hate these synopsis. 

Kip:
[00:02:03 - 00:02:10]
Well, and, like, I mean, I would argue they don't find out the significance of the numbers. They don't at all appear again, and. 

Theresa:
[00:02:10 - 00:02:11]
Then they use them. 

Kip:
[00:02:11 - 00:02:12]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:02:12 - 00:02:13]
For what purpose, no one knows. 

Kip:
[00:02:14 - 00:02:26]
Okay, fantastic. I forgot before we went to stats, I'm going to pour us a little bit of tea. Oh, that's lovely. 

Theresa:
[00:02:27 - 00:02:33]
And here's the tea. This week, guys, Teresa did not enjoy a Michael episode. What? 

Amanda:
[00:02:33 - 00:02:35]
I think he's going to cut all this, probably. 

Kip:
[00:02:35 - 00:02:36]
No, I'm keeping it. 

Amanda:
[00:02:36 - 00:02:47]
Oh, good. Okay, then I have something else to say, because, again, I feel like we were. I already forgot about. 

Kip:
[00:02:53 - 00:02:54]
It. I don't know what it is. 

Amanda:
[00:02:56 - 00:03:02]
When we used to also look at the Disney plus synopsis because it's like the fucking night and day. 

Kip:
[00:03:02 - 00:03:04]
Did you pull it up? Okay, good. 

Amanda:
[00:03:04 - 00:03:09]
The synopsis for this one on Disney plus is Michael blamed Sawyer for the abduction of Walt. 

Theresa:
[00:03:09 - 00:03:12]
Yeah, that's pretty good. 

Amanda:
[00:03:12 - 00:03:28]
This is 1 minute of the episode versus the entirety of the episode. That being said, I think we did talk about this one time, and we kind of came to the conclusion that maybe because it's the complete lost collection, they're assuming you've seen it, that you've seen them all, and then it just kind of helps you find maybe what you're looking for. I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:03:28 - 00:03:29]
Oh, that could be. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:03:29 - 00:03:39]
But then sometimes the synopsis in there are not that detailed. So it honestly just feels like they had a bunch of writers and they're like, you take one to five, you take. And then I know. That's why they're all different. 

Kip:
[00:03:39 - 00:03:39]
Scattered. 

Theresa:
[00:03:40 - 00:03:40]
Thank you. 

Kip:
[00:03:41 - 00:03:42]
Hot. Careful. 

Amanda:
[00:03:42 - 00:03:42]
Thank you. 

Theresa:
[00:03:42 - 00:03:44]
You grabbed it by the. 

Kip:
[00:03:45 - 00:03:55]
I know. I couldn't give it to her any other way. All right, we got some stats. Significant fall in the IMDb rating, 8.3. 

Amanda:
[00:03:55 - 00:03:56]
Oh, Jesus. 

Theresa:
[00:03:56 - 00:03:57]
That's generous. 

Amanda:
[00:03:57 - 00:03:57]
That's going to be one of the. 

Kip:
[00:03:57 - 00:03:59]
Lowest ones with 9.1. 

Amanda:
[00:03:59 - 00:04:00]
That's got to be one of the lowest. 

Kip:
[00:04:00 - 00:04:09]
Generous. Yeah. Which we'll talk about later. Viewership, however, 23.17 million. So people stayed in tune that next week to see what happened. 

Kip:
[00:04:09 - 00:04:16]
Days 44 to 45 on the island and the significant return of the Sawyer nickname count. We have two. 

Theresa:
[00:04:17 - 00:04:17]
Haas. 

Kip:
[00:04:18 - 00:04:18]
Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:04:18 - 00:04:19]
And. 

Kip:
[00:04:23 - 00:04:24]
Blue beard. 

Amanda:
[00:04:24 - 00:04:25]
There it is. 

Theresa:
[00:04:25 - 00:04:28]
I knew, like a pirate name or something like that. 

Amanda:
[00:04:28 - 00:04:29]
I also like that he calls him Mike. 

Kip:
[00:04:30 - 00:04:31]
Yeah, I know. I like that, too. 

Theresa:
[00:04:31 - 00:04:33]
I actually started calling him Mike in my stream. 

Amanda:
[00:04:33 - 00:04:34]
The only one who does it. 

Kip:
[00:04:34 - 00:04:42]
I think I liked it, too. Yeah, Mike. Mike. Well, I can't wait to talk about their scenes. All right. 

Kip:
[00:04:42 - 00:04:44]
Trivia sounds already. 

Theresa:
[00:04:44 - 00:04:46]
Oh, God. Did I even pick a sound last time? 

Kip:
[00:04:46 - 00:04:57]
I don't remember. To be honest. This episode originally was going to feature a different character's flashback scenes. Which character was it? 

Amanda:
[00:04:58 - 00:05:02]
What did one snowman say to another Snowman? Told you it was always going to be quotes. 

Kip:
[00:05:02 - 00:05:03]
Yeah, I like it. 

Amanda:
[00:05:03 - 00:05:04]
Kate. 

Kip:
[00:05:04 - 00:05:05]
Wrong. 

Theresa:
[00:05:06 - 00:05:10]
Brolo. Sawyer. 

Kip:
[00:05:10 - 00:05:11]
That's correct. 

Theresa:
[00:05:11 - 00:05:16]
Okay. Obviously, we'd go with the character that was the most. That was also featured the most in the episode. Come on, Amanda. 

Kip:
[00:05:16 - 00:05:19]
And they even filmed some of the scenes for it. 

Amanda:
[00:05:19 - 00:05:22]
Can we talk about how that would have been a superior episode? 

Kip:
[00:05:22 - 00:05:28]
Yeah, and then the producers just felt it just didn't jive, so they went with something else. 

Amanda:
[00:05:28 - 00:05:35]
It does make sense if their raft scenes are very motivated around how Walt's. 

Kip:
[00:05:35 - 00:05:39]
Missing, but I think it makes sense based on what Michael's going through. 

Amanda:
[00:05:39 - 00:05:45]
I don't think it makes sense for it to be the second episode, though, because no one is. That's why it's rated 8.3. Anyway. 

Kip:
[00:05:46 - 00:05:52]
Okay, I have one more trivia question. Which flashback set was reused? 

Theresa:
[00:05:52 - 00:06:02]
Brother yes. Where they're sitting and talking about law things. That room that they're in, where they're talking. 

Kip:
[00:06:02 - 00:06:04]
Okay, what are you describing? 

Theresa:
[00:06:04 - 00:06:07]
That scene where Michael and Susan and their lawyers are sitting. 

Kip:
[00:06:07 - 00:06:08]
Correct. That's the right. 

Amanda:
[00:06:08 - 00:06:15]
I think it's the same. Do you know what it was reused as? Was it where Claire was having her conversation about the adoption? 

Kip:
[00:06:15 - 00:06:18]
Yeah. It's their law room, apparently. 

Amanda:
[00:06:18 - 00:06:21]
I actually recognise that, I think, from them. 

Kip:
[00:06:21 - 00:06:22]
That's funny. 

Theresa:
[00:06:22 - 00:06:25]
So do we share that point or what's the deal with that? 

Amanda:
[00:06:25 - 00:06:25]
No. 

Kip:
[00:06:25 - 00:06:26]
What do you mean? 

Amanda:
[00:06:26 - 00:06:26]
You win. 

Theresa:
[00:06:26 - 00:06:27]
You got both. Thank God. 

Kip:
[00:06:28 - 00:06:28]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:06:28 - 00:06:29]
Two to zero. 

Amanda:
[00:06:30 - 00:06:31]
Oh, my God. 

Theresa:
[00:06:31 - 00:06:32]
Starting the season off strong. 

Amanda:
[00:06:32 - 00:06:38]
You guys all right? I know you're doing pretty good on the trivia this season so far. Okay, well, I think what we do. 

Kip:
[00:06:38 - 00:06:42]
Is Teresa's dream of consciousness. 

Theresa:
[00:06:42 - 00:06:44]
I'm still very impressed. 

Kip:
[00:06:44 - 00:06:44]
Also. 

Theresa:
[00:06:48 - 00:06:50]
I'm very impressed that you guys remember the song. 

Kip:
[00:06:50 - 00:06:53]
It just came to me last week when we did it, but, like, I was afraid I would. 

Theresa:
[00:06:53 - 00:06:54]
There was no practise, though. 

Kip:
[00:06:54 - 00:06:55]
No, none. 

Theresa:
[00:06:55 - 00:07:12]
Episode two adrift oh, man. I forgot about the bodies and how scary that whole I'm afraid we're gonna have to take the boy thing was. I love the recap showing Desmond's you and the losty's you simultaneously. And also, how freaking strong is Desmond? What happened to also? 

Theresa:
[00:07:12 - 00:07:22]
Ah, more of the Walt screaming. I forgot about that. It's been a while. I hate this helplessness that goes along with just screaming endlessly that Michael does. This is just chaos. 

Theresa:
[00:07:22 - 00:07:30]
Sawyer's trying so hard. Can Michael not swim? Oh, my God. Did this lock stuff happen at the same time as all this? Ooh. 

Theresa:
[00:07:31 - 00:07:44]
Okay, wait. We do get to see what happened. I mean, I guess we all figured he went down there, and obviously it was confirmed when he was down. Theresa, look at Sawyer trying to save Michael. Yeah, Michael's gonna drown again if he doesn't try to calm down a bit. 

Theresa:
[00:07:44 - 00:07:56]
Again, the helplessness and then saying that's all he can do is make sure that Walt knows he's coming for. You know, you're not gonna come for him if you're. Know, Susan's so selfish. I'm glad to see Michael fight for Walt. At least. 

Theresa:
[00:07:57 - 00:08:09]
He's really got to settle down, though, because he's legit gonna drown again if he doesn't quit again. You're not gonna save him if you're dead. Also, that's an ocean, my friend. I'm pretty sure you're also dehydrated at af, so let's just take a sec. Take a breath. 

Theresa:
[00:08:09 - 00:08:17]
But I get it. It's terrifying. There's not a lot else you can think of to do right now. But also, this is why there are complications. Look at lock. 

Theresa:
[00:08:17 - 00:08:28]
Bear footing it around in his very clean white socks. Do they have bleach on this island, or is it just white in contrast to what the effects are going on? Look at that creepy mural. 108. A sun, a fish. 

Theresa:
[00:08:29 - 00:08:34]
No. Oh, my God. It's just a synthetic light. That's so sad. Look at those tick marks on the wall. 

Theresa:
[00:08:34 - 00:08:40]
Oh, my God. Where the f. Is gin? I forgot that Sawyer got shot. Jeez. 

Theresa:
[00:08:40 - 00:08:57]
I have a hard time believing that this quote unquote raft can take them standing on it in turns like this. You know, I know Michael is mad, but come on, live together, die alone. Is that not what we've been saying this whole time? Again, where's Jin? Also, didn't Sawyer just save Michael, like, five minutes ago when he was drowning? 

Theresa:
[00:08:57 - 00:09:09]
Know, wasn't breathing like, michael, you're literally doing nothing here but yelling, and I think it's a little ridiculous. Yell, blame, do nothing. That's your cycle. You know, Michael, you're really douching it up here. Just sitting pretty nice and dry. 

Theresa:
[00:09:09 - 00:09:23]
Oh, shit. I wonder who paid for all of his medical bills. Honestly, I need someone to refresh my memory on this whole Michael, Susan, and Walt history. Also, this lawyer's playing dirty. If Michael wants to be away from Sawyer so badly, why doesn't he just leave him alone? 

Theresa:
[00:09:23 - 00:09:29]
And don't talk to him like he's not talking to you. Holy shit. Sawyer. Oh, my fucking. No words there. 

Theresa:
[00:09:29 - 00:09:34]
But also, how is he always getting hurt in the arm? Hey, Des. Who's him? Locke. Don't do that. 

Theresa:
[00:09:34 - 00:09:44]
Don't say you're someone when you don't even know what he means. That smile, though. He probably believes that it's his destiny to be him, whoever him is. Uh oh. Yeah, you're not him, brah. 

Theresa:
[00:09:44 - 00:09:59]
Hard to fake. Especially if he's specifically waiting for someone. Locke went from creepy old man in the beginning to super friendly to a stranger. Locke, what are you doing? Also, I like that Locke's like, you know, women can also be dangerous, bro. 

Theresa:
[00:09:59 - 00:10:08]
And Desmond immediately is like, yep, okay. Also, Locke's job sounds so boring. Also, what? Did you just slide into her? Um. 

Theresa:
[00:10:08 - 00:10:09]
No, thanks. 

Kip:
[00:10:09 - 00:10:09]
Poor Kate. 

Theresa:
[00:10:09 - 00:10:25]
I die, it always weirds me out that people keep guns pointed at their ding dongs in their, um. Also, when was Erin born? Because that big headed baby definitely can't hold their head up. Or shouldn't be able to anyway. Aw, man. 

Theresa:
[00:10:25 - 00:10:33]
Charlie. Not that thing. Charlie. No, no. Also, is Claire breastfeeding or what's our formula situation? 

Theresa:
[00:10:34 - 00:10:39]
Hmm? Sorry. With the rational thoughts and logic. Are you gonna splash me? That's a hilarious line. 

Theresa:
[00:10:40 - 00:10:55]
Alright, I guess don't help him. You know, Michael, you don't know anything for. You know, Michael doesn't walk like someone who uses a cane. It's like he forgot that he needs it and then just decides to lean. Susan, I think you're faking this whole, um, Susan f. 

Theresa:
[00:10:55 - 00:11:00]
Off. He can do what he needs to do and still be a parent. This is ridiculous. It's not about you. You manipulative. 

Theresa:
[00:11:01 - 00:11:16]
Know, maybe you should consider getting a job in the US as a partner. Why isn't that an option for you? Why is the option? You get to do what you want and he gets to lose his. Know, I don't think I'd be able to get my hands up from under my own ass to save my mean short arms and a big ass, so. 

Theresa:
[00:11:16 - 00:11:27]
Kudos, Kate. You did. Um, so locke put a knife down your pants far enough that we didn't see it when he was hauling you away down the front. Alright, well, that's a dark ass room. Ooh, lights. 

Theresa:
[00:11:27 - 00:11:30]
And we're pushing a door with no handle. Oh, my God. 

Kip:
[00:11:30 - 00:11:31]
Food. There's food. 

Theresa:
[00:11:31 - 00:11:37]
Kate, eat. Eat up, baby cakes. Oh, some of these cans look kind of gross, though, I guess. How would she open it? Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:11:37 - 00:11:44]
Kate gonna try and escape instead of eating some nuts. Oh, yeah, you eat that candy bark. You're probably so weak now. Candy over nuts. I get it. 

Theresa:
[00:11:44 - 00:11:54]
Do you have any milk or water, though? Shouldn't you try to eat something healthy? Won't those chocolates melt in your back? Know, some of those mixed nuts look like they're from Costco. Look at Kate. 

Theresa:
[00:11:54 - 00:12:06]
She's so industrious. Look at Desmond and Locke, chilling and chatting. Oh, so the quarantine is for Des from them, not the other way around. Locke is very observant. What's this beeping? 

Theresa:
[00:12:06 - 00:12:15]
Honestly, I'd go nuts. Look how slow this computer is. Desmond is so intense. Did he really have to get locked to sit? I want to say no. 

Theresa:
[00:12:15 - 00:12:26]
He's just typing in a couple numbers, right? Oh, now Jack's here. You know, I really need one of these periscope things that Desmond has to see. My water metre in my basement. I hate going down there. 

Theresa:
[00:12:26 - 00:12:36]
And it's in a corner under the stairs. Also, Kate saw it all unlock. Is just super chill for having a gun pointed at him. And then another gun. Man, Des looks manic. 

Theresa:
[00:12:37 - 00:12:42]
That's using your night vision, sawyer. Way to see. Uh oh. The typical. I jump, you jump. 

Theresa:
[00:12:42 - 00:12:54]
Jack. Does that shark have a logo on it? Sawyer trusting Mike, even though he's so mean to him. Mike doesn't even look sure he can save him. Do you think they filmed this in a big pool or in the actual ocean? 

Theresa:
[00:12:55 - 00:13:04]
You know, you'd better not hit sawyer, Michael, or I will jump into that tv and shoot you in the face. Mike, stop paddling, man. You'll put strain on the vines and tear it apart. Loser. Ah. 

Theresa:
[00:13:04 - 00:13:14]
Sawyer saves them yet again. Aw, so little. Wald always wore hugely long shorts and oversized shirts. Consistency. Aw, he's such a cutie. 

Theresa:
[00:13:14 - 00:13:23]
Oh, look, he got him a polar bear. Good God, continuity. When's the last time Walt saw him? Does he not know who he is? Well, this is just sad. 

Theresa:
[00:13:23 - 00:13:41]
We all know that I struggle with the storyline for many reasons. So the current brought you back to the island, or you really didn't get that far? You guys didn't really know a motor. Could we not use some kind of vine to make a sling for Sawyer so his arms are not just wiggling around? Oh, look, it's gin. 

Theresa:
[00:13:41 - 00:13:48]
Gin. And now he's saying others and they look scary. Nope. Man. 

Kip:
[00:13:49 - 00:13:51]
Well done. Amazing. 

Amanda:
[00:13:54 - 00:13:56]
Hadn't brought that out this season yet. 

Theresa:
[00:13:56 - 00:13:57]
It's the second episode. 

Amanda:
[00:13:59 - 00:14:00]
Amazing. 

Theresa:
[00:14:00 - 00:14:01]
That was mean. 

Amanda:
[00:14:02 - 00:14:10]
No, that was good. That was about what I was anticipating for a Michael centric episode where 47% of what he says is the word Walt. 

Kip:
[00:14:10 - 00:14:11]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:14:11 - 00:14:13]
Oh, it's ridiculous. 

Kip:
[00:14:13 - 00:14:14]
Do we have that? 

Theresa:
[00:14:15 - 00:14:20]
I think so. It's just like a compilation of Walt, Walt, Walt, Walt. 

Kip:
[00:14:23 - 00:14:24]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:14:24 - 00:14:26]
It's so bad. 

Theresa:
[00:14:26 - 00:14:32]
Honestly, if I was Walt and I heard that, I wouldn't think, oh, my dad's coming for. I'd be like, my dad's dying and he's trying to tell me goodbye. 

Kip:
[00:14:32 - 00:14:38]
Because I kind of agreed with his reasoning of screaming. 

Amanda:
[00:14:38 - 00:14:40]
It's pretty traumatic. 

Kip:
[00:14:40 - 00:14:44]
Yeah. When you sit back and think, well, you know what? 

Theresa:
[00:14:44 - 00:14:54]
It's because all he does, his immediate reaction is always to be angry. Right? He's always yelling, but then he doesn't actually do anything. There's no action behind. 

Kip:
[00:14:54 - 00:14:57]
What's he going to do? He's floating in the middle of the ocean. 

Theresa:
[00:14:57 - 00:15:06]
Yeah, but I mean, like, Sawyer's saving him after he just drowned doing exactly what he just did. You know what I mean? Like, you're not helping yourself. You're making more problems. For someone who only has one good. 

Kip:
[00:15:06 - 00:15:10]
Arm, it takes some time. 

Theresa:
[00:15:10 - 00:15:24]
I preferred when he was more pensive about it. Maybe. Let's think about what you're going to do and what your next steps are. I know it's traumatic and I know that, obviously, I don't know what I would do in that situation. It's just there's a reason why there are compilations of him yelling Walt. 

Theresa:
[00:15:24 - 00:15:25]
Because at this point, it's like a joke. 

Kip:
[00:15:26 - 00:15:33]
It is. Yeah. It's a very common running joke in the lost world. I have a hot take. 

Theresa:
[00:15:33 - 00:15:35]
Okay. I'm scared. 

Kip:
[00:15:35 - 00:15:49]
I like this episode better than last week's. However, further to my hot take, I will rank last week's episode higher simply because of the opening, which I think is one of the best openings in television ever. 

Amanda:
[00:15:49 - 00:16:01]
I actually don't like this episode. We're getting kind of spoilers on it now. But just to put in perspective, I did not like it. But another hot take is I still really like Kate in this episode. So there's now two episodes I like Kate in Wow. 

Kip:
[00:16:01 - 00:16:02]
Turning point. 

Amanda:
[00:16:02 - 00:16:09]
And 90% of it is when she went into that room and started eating that chocolate bark. I'm like, girl, same. 

Theresa:
[00:16:10 - 00:16:31]
This episode I just don't like. Part of me wonders if the reason it's rated so low is because of who the flashback is around. Because if you take out all of his kind of whining and his uselessness, it's actually a pretty good episode. He's just like the part that just really drags it down. Because I don't feel like we're learning that much more about. 

Theresa:
[00:16:31 - 00:16:36]
I mean, we'll get into this, but, like, it would be higher if it wasn't Michael, for sure. 

Kip:
[00:16:36 - 00:16:59]
All right, well, maybe we should start with the flashbacks, because I actually think the flashbacks were quite relevant. And last week we kind of talked about how the flashbacks didn't really give us much insight into who Jack was in terms of his on islandness that week. 

Amanda:
[00:16:59 - 00:17:01]
Well, they more than made up for that this week. 

Kip:
[00:17:02 - 00:17:19]
Well, yeah, it was like hitting us over the head with it. But I think it was not bad because I also get super frustrated, annoyed with Michael. And of course, the Walt thing is a running joke, but I also got really. Okay, I'm just going to sidetrack. I got annoyed with him in the. 

Kip:
[00:17:19 - 00:17:35]
And maybe you can help me understand. So Susan wanted him to sign his rights away as a father. And he was, like, trying to fight that by filing an injunction so she couldn't leave. But it's like, why couldn't he just have not signed it? 

Amanda:
[00:17:36 - 00:17:59]
I think more so it was that and I could be wrong, but my understanding more was like, because she was trying to get him to sign his rights away, he started to panic about losing Walt. And so that was like an answer to that. More so than this is what you should do to stop her. He never has to sign them away. 

Kip:
[00:17:59 - 00:18:05]
Yeah, that's why I was just thinking through it. I'm like, why don't you just not sign it? You can't be forced. 

Amanda:
[00:18:05 - 00:18:06]
Right? 

Theresa:
[00:18:06 - 00:18:32]
I have a question to add to that. For those of you who don't know, my parents are not married. So when I was growing up as a kid, if my mom was going to take me out of the country, she needed a note from my dad that was notarized, saying that he was aware that I was leaving the country with her. And when we would come is in the states. I mean, I don't know if you would know, obviously, because us versus Canada. 

Theresa:
[00:18:32 - 00:18:39]
But can you really just take your kid out of the country without the other parent's consent? 

Amanda:
[00:18:39 - 00:18:56]
But it sounds like he did consent to that based on what the conversation was when she first took him. It sounds like he consented because they even have a conversation about that. Right. Being like, it was okay when she did this. And I think probably what it was is it was okay for him when he thought that he would come back and Brian. 

Amanda:
[00:18:56 - 00:19:13]
Yeah. So I think that's why. I think the whole signing rights away adoption thing, I think that's more of, like, just a catalyst for him to say, like, oh, shit, she's really serious. I'm going to lose him forever. And I think by signing the injunction, it was just to make it more difficult to do all that. 

Kip:
[00:19:13 - 00:19:23]
I agree with that totally. And I think it was like a way for him to just try something. Like he reacted and angry, angrily, as. 

Theresa:
[00:19:23 - 00:19:26]
He does, because once you consent once, then you consent for. 

Amanda:
[00:19:26 - 00:19:46]
No, I think that's the issue. I think that's why she needed him to sign stuff now, because it was becoming more difficult. I think they were still in the country. So I think the idea is that essentially, instead of just getting permission, she was just getting him to sign away his rights so they didn't have to seek permission anymore. 

Theresa:
[00:19:46 - 00:19:46]
Okay. 

Kip:
[00:19:46 - 00:19:47]
Yeah, that makes sense. 

Amanda:
[00:19:47 - 00:19:56]
Once they leave the country, it makes it so much harder. So I think that was the whole point, is just to. I mean, this is all just kind of also, like, speculation based on the US and tv and stuff. 

Kip:
[00:19:56 - 00:20:04]
But I just think if Michael had any sense, he would just refuse to sign it if he didn't want to give up his rights as a father. 

Amanda:
[00:20:04 - 00:20:05]
Yeah, I agree. 

Kip:
[00:20:05 - 00:20:20]
I don't think Susan, of course, she's manipulative and tried really hard to manipulate him into doing it, but I don't think it was enough that someone who fought so hard would just sign it away like that. That was really weird. 

Amanda:
[00:20:20 - 00:20:29]
But I think that the idea, too, is the more she keeps Walt from him, even if they're in the same country, the longer he goes without seeing him, et cetera. 

Theresa:
[00:20:29 - 00:20:29]
You guys. 

Amanda:
[00:20:29 - 00:20:56]
Also, those questions that that lawyer was levying out of him, which were brutal, by the way, those are the kinds of things they do spin right, to say, like, oh, you're not around. But it's like, well, I'm not around because they won't let me. But it's like, well, you still weren't around, though, because when they look at it, it's supposed to be the best interest of the child. And so they're going to say, like, oh, well, it's better for him to be with someone who he sees every day, no matter what the reason or whose fault it is. And, like, someone he hasn't seen in 14 months. 

Amanda:
[00:20:56 - 00:20:59]
There's so many games involved in family law. 

Kip:
[00:21:00 - 00:21:00]
Terrible. 

Amanda:
[00:21:00 - 00:21:16]
Yeah, it's just brutal. But I felt for him, too. And like you said, it is hitting us over the head with it. It's like a clear. Like, he lost him now, and it's reminding him of the time he just got him back after this prolonged, lengthy battle and then years of not seeing him. 

Amanda:
[00:21:16 - 00:21:48]
Because when we see his first flashback episode, we know that they didn't see each other for years. And we know that it was like after he got into that car accident, we don't really see what he did to try to get him back. So now we see that he had this prolonged legal battle, then he gives him up, then he goes away for a really long time, then he sees him again, and now he finally gets him back and he loses him again. And I think what we're supposed to see is. I think what we're supposed to understand is he's having a hard time being okay with him being taken. 

Amanda:
[00:21:48 - 00:22:02]
Not that he would ever be okay with it, but he's losing it. He's crying, he's screaming, he's blaming himself. Because last time he lost him, he gave up. Right? And I think now he just feels lost and hopeless, like he can't fight for him the way he did before. 

Amanda:
[00:22:02 - 00:22:15]
And last time he could have fought for him, he gave him up. That's kind of like what I took away from it is this idea that he's heartbroken that he was trying to be with him again, trying to fight for him again, and he lost him again, but he didn't give him up this time. He was taken. 

Kip:
[00:22:15 - 00:22:26]
And the yelling and the screaming was his way of not giving up. This time he didn't want to give up. I think they could have used a different way to drive that point home. 

Theresa:
[00:22:26 - 00:22:27]
Yeah, I agree. 

Kip:
[00:22:27 - 00:22:30]
But I think that was the purpose of that. And it was very annoying. 

Theresa:
[00:22:30 - 00:22:43]
Yeah. Because it just. The fact that it goes on for so long in the first season and now we're the second episode into the second season and he's back at it. It's like, oh, man. 

Amanda:
[00:22:43 - 00:22:59]
But I do think it is kind of a symbol for how he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't know how to be a father. So when he first has him there, he just yells at him the whole time and he still doesn't know how to be a father. But he. Yelling is the only language that Walt knows, or Michael knows how to speak with Walt. 

Amanda:
[00:22:59 - 00:23:07]
So no matter what's happening with him, there's just some form of yelling to express emotions he doesn't know how to express because he never had to. 

Kip:
[00:23:07 - 00:23:08]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:23:08 - 00:23:09]
Still hate it, though. 

Theresa:
[00:23:10 - 00:23:49]
Oh, it's super annoying. And then it just kind of adds to. I understand the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness, but the fact that he's then kind of causing more problems, more immediate problems, by doing nothing, by screaming the whole time, by exerting his energy, by fighting with Sawyer, blaming him, casting him aside, it's just kind of like you're just kind of making your situation worse and worse and worse. When you have someone who is on your side and wants to help you find your kid and tried to intervene, and you're kind of just shitting all over them for what, really? I understand the frustration. 

Theresa:
[00:23:49 - 00:23:56]
I understand that it's a tough situation, but it's like you're only not helping, you're just making things worse. 

Kip:
[00:23:56 - 00:24:19]
Yeah. And I mean, he gets there eventually to where he knows it's his fault for bringing him on the raft, so he gets there eventually and of like, you're going to go through a whole bunch of phases and waves in a traumatic experience. Like, so, like, yeah, it sucks to put Michael or to blame Sawyer and go through all that, but kind of makes a little bit of sense. And it's not like he goes on for episodes, blaming others. 

Theresa:
[00:24:19 - 00:25:00]
No, thank God. Oh, my God. If that went on longer, I just, like, in defence of Michael, I just want to see him, and I understand we're only in the second season and there's more to go, but I feel like every character in season one has had some kind of growth moment, and I feel like in this case, we saw Michael kind of be more fatherly, like, a little bit more affectionate toward Walt, and he immediately kind of reverts back. And obviously, it's because Walt's gone and what have you. But I just want to see a more consistent growth from him where his reaction isn't his base of yelling, you know what mean? 

Theresa:
[00:25:00 - 00:25:07]
Like, I just want to see you do something to help so that I don't have to pick on you every time. 

Kip:
[00:25:07 - 00:25:10]
Speaking of helping, I thought Sawyer was so good. 

Theresa:
[00:25:10 - 00:25:11]
Amazing. 

Amanda:
[00:25:11 - 00:25:12]
Sawyer is so good in this episode. 

Theresa:
[00:25:13 - 00:25:13]
So hot. 

Kip:
[00:25:14 - 00:25:17]
Well, yeah, but, like, also so hot. 

Amanda:
[00:25:17 - 00:25:18]
Yeah, that's fair. 

Kip:
[00:25:19 - 00:25:21]
The digging out of the bullet. 

Amanda:
[00:25:23 - 00:25:28]
I wanted to google that as well. I already googled the Apollo bars, but I have to google this, too. I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:25:28 - 00:25:29]
Asking about this. 

Amanda:
[00:25:29 - 00:25:31]
What, are you supposed to take it out? 

Theresa:
[00:25:31 - 00:25:32]
I think so. 

Kip:
[00:25:32 - 00:25:33]
I would think so. 

Amanda:
[00:25:33 - 00:25:34]
Why, though? 

Kip:
[00:25:34 - 00:25:37]
Because it would just sit in there and get infected, wouldn't it? 

Amanda:
[00:25:37 - 00:25:45]
Does a hole not get infected? Is it advisable? You know what? I don't know how to google this. 

Kip:
[00:25:45 - 00:25:45]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:25:46 - 00:25:48]
If you get shot, should you take it out? 

Amanda:
[00:25:48 - 00:25:53]
If I get shot, where do you get shot? In the shoulder. Okay, hold on. 

Kip:
[00:25:54 - 00:25:55]
There's apparently a lot of Google. 

Amanda:
[00:25:55 - 00:26:06]
Oh, you guys, first of all, this is kind of funny. If I get shot, auto populates to, if I got shot, what should I do? Followed by, if I got shot, do I own the bullet? 

Theresa:
[00:26:06 - 00:26:08]
Why does that matter? 

Amanda:
[00:26:11 - 00:26:13]
I got shot. Should I. 

Theresa:
[00:26:14 - 00:26:19]
Well, I don't know. Should you remove the bullet surgery movie, or, like, they always cling. They always take it out. 

Kip:
[00:26:19 - 00:26:20]
Metal pan. 

Theresa:
[00:26:20 - 00:26:24]
And I know that sometimes it's because they're worried about, like, fragments migrating to different places. 

Kip:
[00:26:24 - 00:26:26]
But he wouldn't have got those fragments. 

Amanda:
[00:26:26 - 00:26:29]
No, this is what I thought. 

Theresa:
[00:26:29 - 00:26:32]
Oh, here we go. No, it says, what if it. 

Amanda:
[00:26:32 - 00:26:43]
Fortunately, bullets do not, as a rule, carry infection. Hence, it is unnecessary to pay any attention to them for the time being. In fact, it is better to let them alone until it is determined whether or not there is infection. 

Kip:
[00:26:43 - 00:26:47]
Okay, well, Sawyer acted a little rash. 

Amanda:
[00:26:47 - 00:26:52]
But then some people say that bullets left in can lead to. You know what? Google's not helping me today. 

Theresa:
[00:26:52 - 00:27:18]
No. I think there's a lot of scenarios, though, because I remember watching the fosters and Steph get shot, and they're like, we're worried about the fragments because if one, because she got shot in the abdomen and then it broke apart or whatever, and they're like, if it travels to her spine, she'll be paralysed or whatever. And then I watched something else, and they were like, oh, it's actually like we can leave it in there because if we take it out, it can actually cause more problems. 

Amanda:
[00:27:18 - 00:27:19]
That's what I mean. 

Theresa:
[00:27:19 - 00:27:19]
So I think. 

Amanda:
[00:27:19 - 00:27:22]
I don't know that Sawyer should have made that call for himself is my point. 

Kip:
[00:27:22 - 00:27:23]
Well, he certainly wasn't. 

Amanda:
[00:27:23 - 00:27:25]
Please wait to get back to Jack. 

Theresa:
[00:27:25 - 00:27:27]
Okay, yeah, but Jack's in a hole. 

Amanda:
[00:27:27 - 00:27:28]
He doesn't know that. 

Theresa:
[00:27:28 - 00:27:34]
Again, Jack, getting yourself in these weird situations. You're the only physician on the. 

Amanda:
[00:27:34 - 00:27:41]
I'm just saying I found it very concerning that his first instinct was just go at his own bullet. But it made for some compelling television. 

Theresa:
[00:27:41 - 00:27:43]
Couldn't he have, like, bled out if it wasn't? 

Kip:
[00:27:43 - 00:27:44]
That's what I was thinking. 

Amanda:
[00:27:44 - 00:27:48]
But doesn't the bullet kind of also block the wound a little bit? 

Kip:
[00:27:48 - 00:27:50]
I was thinking he would bleed out after he yanked. 

Amanda:
[00:27:50 - 00:27:59]
Yeah, I know. Anyway, I just thought we needed to talk about that. But is amazing in the episode, and he clearly cares. 

Kip:
[00:27:59 - 00:28:00]
I know. That's the hard. 

Amanda:
[00:28:00 - 00:28:07]
So upsetting when Michael tells Smith in that scene that he doesn't know what it's like to care about someone. It's, like, unnecessary. 

Kip:
[00:28:07 - 00:28:08]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:28:08 - 00:28:11]
You don't know. You don't know anything about him. 

Kip:
[00:28:11 - 00:28:23]
No, but you know what? People say things I know when they're in the heat of the moment that they don't. Shouldn't say. So we saw a shark or. Well, the shark Finn had a logo. 

Theresa:
[00:28:23 - 00:28:24]
I'm pretty sure. 

Kip:
[00:28:24 - 00:28:24]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:28:24 - 00:28:25]
Am I the only one who saw. 

Kip:
[00:28:25 - 00:28:26]
No, I caught a glimpse. 

Amanda:
[00:28:27 - 00:28:28]
A logo. 

Kip:
[00:28:28 - 00:28:29]
You didn't see that? 

Amanda:
[00:28:29 - 00:28:30]
No. 

Kip:
[00:28:30 - 00:28:32]
Are you serious? 

Amanda:
[00:28:33 - 00:28:34]
I didn't see it. 

Kip:
[00:28:34 - 00:28:36]
You don't know about the shark logo? 

Amanda:
[00:28:36 - 00:28:38]
What's a shark logo? 

Kip:
[00:28:39 - 00:28:43]
Logo on the shark. There's a little Easter egg that you can see a logo on the tail. 

Theresa:
[00:28:43 - 00:28:45]
Fin of the shark, like, on the underside. 

Amanda:
[00:28:46 - 00:28:47]
It's, like, very visible. 

Kip:
[00:28:47 - 00:28:59]
Yeah. And they didn't intend for it to be as visible as it was. So then it was just supposed to be like a little Easter egg for the production crew. And then it was like, oh, crap. You can see it on the show. 

Kip:
[00:28:59 - 00:29:08]
So most people saw it when it. Visible when it swims by. Yeah. Well, let us know more to come. 

Amanda:
[00:29:08 - 00:29:13]
Let us know if you saw it or not, because I'd be interested to see. I totally missed that. 

Kip:
[00:29:13 - 00:29:16]
I don't think Dan saw it, because he would have said something for sure. 

Amanda:
[00:29:16 - 00:29:20]
Yeah, it's about 50 50 on the let's get lost team. Let's try to. 

Theresa:
[00:29:20 - 00:29:26]
We'll put a poll up when this comes out. We'll see how you guys feel. 

Kip:
[00:29:26 - 00:29:38]
Okay, let's move on to island, because I don't want to talk about the end with the raft folk yet, so let's move on to island. So it was good to see the other perspectives of the hatch. 

Amanda:
[00:29:39 - 00:29:44]
It was like I said, like Kate in this episode, too. I don't know what's happening, but she's good. 

Theresa:
[00:29:44 - 00:29:54]
This is what she's good for. This is, other than climbing and getting fruit, she's good at this part, which is, like, surviving. 

Kip:
[00:29:55 - 00:29:59]
Yeah. Kind of just being, like, a go getter. 

Theresa:
[00:29:59 - 00:30:08]
And she's pretty resourceful. Like I said, I don't know about you guys, if your hands were bound together, could you get your hands out? 

Kip:
[00:30:08 - 00:30:09]
Oh, there's no way I could do that. 

Theresa:
[00:30:09 - 00:30:11]
I would just die in there. I'd be like, locke, you should have. 

Kip:
[00:30:11 - 00:30:12]
Put it in the back. 

Theresa:
[00:30:12 - 00:30:14]
Like, why'd you put it in the front? What am I going to do? 

Kip:
[00:30:14 - 00:30:16]
You didn't realise that was a knife? 

Theresa:
[00:30:17 - 00:30:21]
No, because I was more disturbed by the fact that he put something down her pants like that at the front. 

Amanda:
[00:30:22 - 00:30:23]
It was a little aggressive. 

Theresa:
[00:30:23 - 00:30:30]
I was like, and the thing is, when she's being hauled the way, like, her midriff is showing. So I'm like, you put that far enough that her low rise pants don't. 

Kip:
[00:30:30 - 00:30:33]
Show the mid rise shirt. 

Theresa:
[00:30:33 - 00:30:38]
Yeah. Your whole midriff is showing, and she's just. It's gone. He just put it in. 

Amanda:
[00:30:38 - 00:30:45]
But that was smart of him. And I did like that he tried to convince Desmond in the beginning that. Do we know his name's Desmond? 

Kip:
[00:30:45 - 00:30:46]
Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:30:46 - 00:30:48]
That he was, like, there to replace him or whatever. 

Kip:
[00:30:49 - 00:30:52]
That's just so typical locke. Like, he's just going to lean into it. 

Amanda:
[00:30:52 - 00:30:53]
He should have guessed the answer. 

Theresa:
[00:30:53 - 00:31:00]
I think he believed it, though, because the kind of euphoric look on his face, he was like, are you him? He's like, yeah. 

Kip:
[00:31:00 - 00:31:02]
It was almost like a midlife. 

Theresa:
[00:31:03 - 00:31:05]
This is it. And then when he got asked the question, he's like, oh, shh. 

Kip:
[00:31:05 - 00:31:06]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:31:06 - 00:31:07]
Now what? 

Amanda:
[00:31:07 - 00:31:23]
Because I always thought that he was just trying to bamboozle him. And then I remember thinking, if that's the case, why don't you try at least to guess at the answer? And then when he just says, I don't know what you're talking about, that would make more sense for what you're saying, which is, at first he's like, I am here to replace you. And then he's like, oh, wait, I'm not. I'm. 

Kip:
[00:31:23 - 00:31:24]
Wait a second. 

Amanda:
[00:31:24 - 00:31:26]
So that's actually a very interesting perspective, what I'm doing. 

Kip:
[00:31:28 - 00:31:31]
We do eventually find out what the other snowman said to him. To the snowman. 

Theresa:
[00:31:31 - 00:31:35]
Do we? The whole time, I was like, is this a riddle people commonly know? 

Amanda:
[00:31:35 - 00:31:36]
It's a joke. I think it's a joke. 

Kip:
[00:31:36 - 00:31:37]
Yeah, we do find out. 

Theresa:
[00:31:37 - 00:31:38]
It's a joke. 

Kip:
[00:31:38 - 00:31:40]
I don't think it's a riddle. I think it's a joke. 

Amanda:
[00:31:40 - 00:31:41]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:31:41 - 00:31:42]
Okay. 

Kip:
[00:31:42 - 00:31:43]
But, yeah, I don't remember what it. 

Amanda:
[00:31:43 - 00:31:45]
Is, but I do remember you find out. 

Kip:
[00:31:45 - 00:31:49]
Yeah. It was good to see in the hatch. 

Theresa:
[00:31:50 - 00:32:03]
And I like when Locke's like, I'm actually the good one, like, she's the bad one. Because I really don't like Desmond's assumption that you should tie up the man. 

Kip:
[00:32:04 - 00:32:06]
Well, I mean, Locke is quite a bit bigger than her. 

Amanda:
[00:32:06 - 00:32:10]
I also love that Locke is always exceptionally straightforward with people. 

Kip:
[00:32:10 - 00:32:11]
I know. 

Amanda:
[00:32:11 - 00:32:13]
Everyone's like, uh huh. 

Kip:
[00:32:14 - 00:32:23]
That's so true. Like, you said that last. Like, he's honest to a. Like, he did not lie at any of that stuff except about being his replacement. 

Amanda:
[00:32:23 - 00:32:23]
Correct. 

Theresa:
[00:32:23 - 00:32:24]
But I think he genuinely believed. 

Kip:
[00:32:24 - 00:32:26]
But, yeah, you're right. I do think that, too. 

Theresa:
[00:32:26 - 00:32:29]
He's like, she's the fugitive. 

Kip:
[00:32:29 - 00:32:30]
Whoa, whoa. 

Theresa:
[00:32:30 - 00:32:32]
The look of betrayal on Kate. 

Amanda:
[00:32:32 - 00:32:38]
Why would you say. Yeah, she looked super pissed, but that. 

Theresa:
[00:32:38 - 00:32:41]
Was scary when they kind of hauled her into that room. That's like. 

Amanda:
[00:32:41 - 00:32:42]
That was really scary. 

Theresa:
[00:32:42 - 00:32:44]
And then there's no handle, and she. 

Kip:
[00:32:44 - 00:32:45]
Oh, yeah, that was. 

Theresa:
[00:32:45 - 00:32:49]
Oh, my God. There's no handle on the door on the inside. And so she's just like. 

Kip:
[00:32:51 - 00:33:03]
I liked the mirror contraption. And he's watching Jack. You can see, like, locke just being like, well, this is so. Like, he was just so into it, like, just soaking everything up. 

Amanda:
[00:33:04 - 00:33:05]
Absolutely. 

Theresa:
[00:33:05 - 00:33:34]
And I love, like, observational and deductive skills, because he's like that simulated light, not because you don't go outside ever. And he put together that maybe the quarantine is for him, is for Desmond to stay away from the people out there or whatever's out, Theresa. Because I don't know about you guys, but the first time I saw that, I was like, the hatch is what's being quarantined, not the other way around. 

Kip:
[00:33:35 - 00:33:48]
Yeah, but, see, I never did, because it faced inside. So if it was supposed to be stay out of the hatch, you would think they would put quarantine on the outside as, like, a warning, but then. 

Theresa:
[00:33:48 - 00:33:49]
There'S no handle, so how would you open? 

Kip:
[00:33:49 - 00:33:51]
That's true. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:33:52 - 00:33:54]
I don't really think about it that much. 

Theresa:
[00:33:56 - 00:33:58]
I just like Locke's calm. 

Kip:
[00:33:58 - 00:33:59]
It was very calm. 

Theresa:
[00:34:00 - 00:34:07]
You find out that there's someone living in a hole you've been trying to dig into for the past, like, three weeks, and he's just like, so tell me about your life. 

Kip:
[00:34:07 - 00:34:09]
Yeah, he was pretty excited. 

Amanda:
[00:34:10 - 00:34:12]
He's always excited about everything, though, right? 

Theresa:
[00:34:12 - 00:34:15]
All this stuff looks pretty old. I haven't seen that in 20 years. 

Kip:
[00:34:15 - 00:34:17]
It's really cool for the washer and dryer. 

Theresa:
[00:34:17 - 00:34:23]
Yeah. That one's just really didn't mention that, though. Maybe he didn't say it. Maybe. Different hall. 

Amanda:
[00:34:23 - 00:34:28]
I do like that when Hurley's giving Jack a hard time about going back, and he's like, you were just saying all this stuff. 

Theresa:
[00:34:28 - 00:34:29]
What's changed? 

Amanda:
[00:34:29 - 00:34:31]
It's like, we know what changed. 

Kip:
[00:34:31 - 00:34:31]
Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:34:31 - 00:34:46]
Kate is in trouble, and then they switch to Charlie and Claire, and Charlie and Claire's like, what's going on? And he's like, I don't know. Jack's off to be a hero. It's so funny because it's so true. Those Harley Charlie comic relief moments are so necessary. 

Amanda:
[00:34:47 - 00:34:52]
What else happens? Well, you get the numbers, right? 

Kip:
[00:34:52 - 00:34:52]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:34:52 - 00:34:59]
That's probably the most important thing in the whole episode, is this idea that these numbers have to be imputed or inputted into computer. A computer? 

Kip:
[00:34:59 - 00:35:06]
Yeah. Every 108 minutes. It was weird. I actually kind of forgot about the beeping, and then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, shit. 

Theresa:
[00:35:06 - 00:35:12]
108 minutes. Not that long. It's like an hour and a bit. So every hour and what, it's just under 2 hours? 

Amanda:
[00:35:12 - 00:35:14]
Because 120 minutes would be 2 hours. 

Theresa:
[00:35:14 - 00:35:17]
So just every under 2 hours here. 

Amanda:
[00:35:17 - 00:35:21]
Beep, beep, beep. So does he ever sleep? 

Theresa:
[00:35:21 - 00:35:31]
Yeah, that's what I was wondering. Because it kind of seems like he has a whole morning routine. What happens overnight? Does that happen every time you hear the beeping? 

Amanda:
[00:35:31 - 00:35:44]
He just gets up for, like. He just, like, groggly. Like, 4815, 73, 42. And then for those who don't know, that all adds up to 108 minutes. Or 108. 

Theresa:
[00:35:44 - 00:35:50]
Which also see on the weird kind of mural that's on the wall, there's like a fish, there's a sun. There's 108. 

Kip:
[00:35:50 - 00:35:52]
I didn't see the crop directing. 

Theresa:
[00:35:52 - 00:35:53]
Yeah, there's, like, a bunch of stuff on it. 

Amanda:
[00:35:53 - 00:36:11]
Yeah, but it's just kind of this idea that we're starting to see all these kind of little bits that were season one kind of like slowly started spitting at us kind of come together. Right. And the numbers are always a big one. So the idea that they're being utilised for something I think is really interesting. 

Theresa:
[00:36:11 - 00:36:28]
I feel like season two, especially, like with the last episode in this one, really starts the whole questions thing. Because you do have some questions in season one. Yeah. Obviously you want to know what's going on, but now there's just so much more to it. It's like, why is he down there? 

Theresa:
[00:36:28 - 00:36:37]
Why is he pushing these? Does he wake up every 2 hours? And the whole tone of the show is like just shifted in two episodes. 

Amanda:
[00:36:37 - 00:36:47]
And I know we were already talking about Michael and Sawyer, but I'm kind of just reviewing my notes a bit and there's a couple of things I have to say. First of all, how are they drifting so perfectly together when they're on separate. 

Theresa:
[00:36:47 - 00:36:49]
Wraps, we're trapped in the same current. 

Amanda:
[00:36:50 - 00:36:51]
I don't know that that's how that. 

Kip:
[00:36:51 - 00:36:54]
Works, though, actually, that's what I thought. I'm like, I don't think it works. 

Theresa:
[00:36:54 - 00:36:59]
They wouldn't be that parallel together. Like, one of them would have definitely started to drift, especially with the weight. 

Kip:
[00:36:59 - 00:37:00]
Of one being different. 

Theresa:
[00:37:00 - 00:37:02]
Yeah, they wouldn't be that close together. 

Amanda:
[00:37:03 - 00:37:28]
I do love Sawyer's insight, though, into the fact that clearly those little, like that was good moments are very important because you're going to see a lot of introspection from the characters this season while they figure out. So not only are we figuring stuff out as an audience, but they're figuring out stuff as characters. And that's very important because a lot of what we're going to figure out is going to come from introspection from the characters. 

Kip:
[00:37:28 - 00:37:34]
And you're talking about when he's realising Russo's warning about they're coming for a child. 

Amanda:
[00:37:35 - 00:37:56]
And just all of the fact that they were bald. Yeah. And that they were waiting for him and stuff like that. So that whole conversation, that whole thing is very insightful for Sawyer and very important because paying attention to what characters think about their own fate and interactions and things like that. Very important to the show. 

Amanda:
[00:37:56 - 00:38:13]
And, I mean, it just leads to that beautiful kind of. There's that beautiful moment where Michael's just like crying at the end. And Sawyer is clearly so concerned, despite being told he doesn't care about anything. And you do see kind of that breakdown of Michael and just Sawyer being like a good guy. Sawyer's a good man. 

Theresa:
[00:38:15 - 00:38:23]
And I will say this for like, I do feel kind of bad where he's like, I shouldn't have brought him on the raft. And it's like, to be honest, no, you were screwed either way. 

Kip:
[00:38:23 - 00:38:24]
That's what I was thinking. 

Theresa:
[00:38:24 - 00:38:24]
You know what? 

Kip:
[00:38:25 - 00:38:25]
No. Right answer. 

Theresa:
[00:38:26 - 00:38:30]
No. Because Ethan infiltrated them and took. 

Amanda:
[00:38:31 - 00:38:31]
Right. 

Theresa:
[00:38:31 - 00:38:35]
Like, either way, they were clearly going after. 

Amanda:
[00:38:35 - 00:38:37]
They had to start making moves. 

Theresa:
[00:38:37 - 00:38:51]
Exactly. And so on the raft, on the island, doesn't matter. He was damned either way. And so I do feel bad for him in that sense. I don't know if he ever realises that when he is saying, I shouldn't have brought him. 

Theresa:
[00:38:51 - 00:38:55]
But if you think about what Sawyer said, this was always going to happen. 

Kip:
[00:38:55 - 00:38:56]
Yeah. Basically. 

Amanda:
[00:38:57 - 00:39:02]
Anything else anyone feels the need to talk about this episode, just get right to the ending. 

Kip:
[00:39:03 - 00:39:09]
Well, yeah, I mean, let's just go to the ending. Because it was freaky. 

Theresa:
[00:39:09 - 00:39:13]
I don't like that someone's holding, like, a bat with, like, these huge bikes. 

Amanda:
[00:39:15 - 00:39:26]
So getting to the ending, it's really funny because when the episode started, I was like, oh, yeah, no gin. And then I was like, oh, is this one of those things where they really drag out the gin thing? How long is it? 

Kip:
[00:39:26 - 00:39:28]
That's what I was thinking, too. 

Amanda:
[00:39:28 - 00:39:39]
When do we see Jin again? When do we find out what happened in, oh, it's going to be like another four or five episodes. And then they end up. And I was like, hey, first of, they ended up back on land pretty quickly. Second of all, Jin, I know. 

Kip:
[00:39:39 - 00:39:44]
I was thinking that's not for a few more episodes. But boom, there was, like, others. 

Theresa:
[00:39:45 - 00:39:51]
I know. Oh, God. That was just very, like. You could see they were so concerned about him. Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:39:51 - 00:39:52]
They were so happy. 

Theresa:
[00:39:53 - 00:40:00]
And then all of a sudden, their face slowly falls, and then they turn around and Sawyer's smile goes from, like, just. 

Kip:
[00:40:00 - 00:40:03]
That last shot is so spooky. 

Amanda:
[00:40:03 - 00:40:04]
So spooky. 

Kip:
[00:40:04 - 00:40:18]
So it ends on the cliffhanger. Like, a really good one. And that's kind of mean. I know where the character rankings are going, at least for one of them. 

Amanda:
[00:40:18 - 00:40:19]
But I think we need to hear. 

Kip:
[00:40:19 - 00:40:20]
I want to hear these. 

Amanda:
[00:40:20 - 00:40:24]
I have to assume Michael skyrocketed to the top this episode. 

Theresa:
[00:40:25 - 00:40:35]
Just so everyone knows, I don't have the. Do I? Okay. No, I have Michael's points. So it's not like he just. 

Theresa:
[00:40:35 - 00:40:50]
We all know that he didn't do well, but it went like, plus 25, minus ten. -50 -15 -50 plus 25, plus 15. It's not like he was just like, minus, minus mine. You know what I mean? I wasn't being like, I wasn't just hating for the sake of hating. 

Theresa:
[00:40:50 - 00:41:02]
It was when I felt like a feeling, which was, shut up, Michael. Or, ah, okay, we did something. Shot a shark. So at number 15, we have Michael. 

Kip:
[00:41:04 - 00:41:11]
But like, how many points did he go down overall? No, like, yeah, this episode, it's on the other paper. 

Theresa:
[00:41:11 - 00:41:12]
60. Oh, that's not bad. 

Kip:
[00:41:13 - 00:41:14]
I was thinking it'd be worse. 

Theresa:
[00:41:14 - 00:41:17]
No, I don't just take points away because he's screaming again. 

Amanda:
[00:41:17 - 00:41:21]
You did though, every syllable of whoa. 

Theresa:
[00:41:22 - 00:41:22]
That last one. 

Kip:
[00:41:22 - 00:41:24]
I second. 

Theresa:
[00:41:25 - 00:41:31]
It just depends. Obviously he does lose points for doing nothing, but it's more the doing nothing than the yelling. 

Amanda:
[00:41:31 - 00:41:32]
Yeah, absolutely. 

Theresa:
[00:41:32 - 00:41:48]
Because at this point it's whatever. But the fact that he's just being so, like, you just drowned someone, literally just brought you back, they resuscitated you, and then you decided to do the same thing you did to get yourself back in the situation. 

Kip:
[00:41:49 - 00:41:50]
Okay, so who's next? 

Theresa:
[00:41:51 - 00:41:52]
Shannon. 

Kip:
[00:41:53 - 00:41:53]
Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:41:53 - 00:41:54]
She been in this episode? 

Theresa:
[00:41:54 - 00:42:07]
No. And that's the thing, right? It's hard when you're not in the episode. Then Kate, she gained some points this episode, and she's at minus 230. Russo cracks the top twelve. 

Theresa:
[00:42:07 - 00:42:13]
And the positives? Positive. All right. 25. Desmond. 

Theresa:
[00:42:13 - 00:42:19]
75. One thing I think we didn't talk about enough is Desmond's realisation that everything he knows is wrong. 

Kip:
[00:42:20 - 00:42:21]
What are you talking about? 

Theresa:
[00:42:21 - 00:42:36]
When Locke is telling him, he's like, how many of you have died? When he's just like, no one. He's like, what? Clearly things were like, what he knows and what's happening are two different things. Next is Walt. 

Theresa:
[00:42:36 - 00:42:41]
240. Charlie? 655. Claire? 680. 

Theresa:
[00:42:41 - 00:42:44]
Jin? 805. Jack? 810. Sayed. 

Theresa:
[00:42:44 - 00:42:58]
920. Locke went up and he's at 925. Sawyer really went up and he's at 1120. Hurley is at 1265. And then, of course, our queen son number 113. 

Theresa:
[00:42:58 - 00:42:59]
95. 

Kip:
[00:42:59 - 00:43:01]
She wasn't in it either, was she? No. 

Amanda:
[00:43:01 - 00:43:02]
Was she in last episode? 

Kip:
[00:43:02 - 00:43:03]
No. 

Theresa:
[00:43:03 - 00:43:03]
Yes. 

Kip:
[00:43:03 - 00:43:04]
Was she? 

Theresa:
[00:43:04 - 00:43:05]
For a hot minute. 

Kip:
[00:43:05 - 00:43:06]
What did she do? 

Theresa:
[00:43:06 - 00:43:08]
It's when they were talking about. 

Kip:
[00:43:08 - 00:43:09]
Oh, the raft. 

Theresa:
[00:43:09 - 00:43:09]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:43:09 - 00:43:12]
You don't think the. Yeah, that's right. Okay, good. 

Theresa:
[00:43:12 - 00:43:14]
Just as like one line. 

Kip:
[00:43:15 - 00:43:35]
All right, so ranking rating. Oh, boy. So I'm going to give it like an 8.8. I mean, I said I liked it more, but I have to rate last week's higher because of the intro. If the intro was not there, that episode would have been rated lower. 

Kip:
[00:43:38 - 00:43:48]
I think these two episodes should have been one episode. In my opinion, it would have probably made it a stronger episode. But that's it, Theresa. 

Theresa:
[00:43:51 - 00:44:23]
I'm going to rate this an 8.3. And it's not because of Michael. I just think that it was just kind of a lot to take in. And I think that maybe it could have been done a little smoother, like having Jack's hatch stuff, locke's hatch stuff, Kate's hatch stuff, the raft stuff, then the random Claire and Charlie moment. It was just kind of a lot. 

Theresa:
[00:44:23 - 00:44:37]
Especially when there's so much information that we're trying to take in at once and we're seeing the hatch in other people's eyes and we're seeing areas of the hatch that we haven't seen before. I think it was just a little too much for one episode to take by itself. 

Amanda:
[00:44:38 - 00:44:54]
Yeah, I'd probably give it like an 8.5. I agree that it should probably been one episode. I think it's supposed to kind of feel like one. I think that's hard when there's two different flashbacks, though. Maybe both should have been jack flashbacks to make it more feel like. 

Amanda:
[00:44:54 - 00:45:03]
More of like a part one, part two. I don't like Michael. I don't feel as strongly as. But I don't like him. I don't like that he blames Sawyer. 

Amanda:
[00:45:03 - 00:45:22]
I get that Sawyer's there and et cetera, but I don't think that was fair. I do think the hatch stuff is really cool. I love Desmond and I mean, the ending was just so good, so that bumps it back up. But I think it's exciting. I think that all of this is really showing us the direction that the season is going to go. 

Amanda:
[00:45:22 - 00:45:24]
And I'm just really excited to keep watching. 

Kip:
[00:45:25 - 00:45:43]
Yeah, I think so too. It's setting it up for some really exciting television episodes. Well, thank you for listening. Please visit us on our social media let's get lost. Pod, Instagram, Facebook email us at let'sgetlosspod gmail.com with any questions, observations, or fan theories. 

Kip:
[00:45:44 - 00:45:56]
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