Let's Get Lost with The Oceanic Three
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Most of all, though, we always come back to how Lost is primarily a character-driven show. For every myth and mystery, five incredible character stories were told. They were complex, mysterious, beautiful, and sometimes challenging to watch - but the characters and their interwoven lives brought Lost to a different level unlike anything ever seen on television.
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Let's Get Lost with The Oceanic Three
Let's Get Lost 28 - Season 2: ... And Found
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Have you ever found yourself laughing amidst confusion or critiquing with a smile? That's us—Amanda, Teresa, and Kip—tackling the jigsaw puzzle that is 'Lost.' As we dissect "... And Found," an episode that spotlights the survivors' search for connection (and Sun's wedding ring), get ready to join the laughter and light-hearted skepticism. We're tracking Michael's jungle sprint, deconstructing Sawyer's nickname game, and even taking a jab at a continuity error that's more than just a misplaced ring.
This episode brings into focus the individual trajectories of the characters in 'Lost'. Michael embodies desperation, and his character arc reveals the lengths to which a parent may go for their child out of love, leading to desperate actions. On the other hand, Sun and Jin's love story presents an exploration of enduring love amidst turbulent circumstances. Their rare loving moments, like when Sun finds her wedding ring, evoke strong emotions among viewers.
The last leg of the conversation seeks to illustrate the importance of community, as showcased by the series. The characters often resort to desperate actions or demonstrate unexpected kindness; their human essence shines through, altering the group dynamics. Similarly, Hurley's character brings comic relief, offering much-needed respite amidst the prevalent darkness. The diverse ensemble cast creates a rich tapestry of characters, enriching viewers' experiences. From Kate's duality to Jin's unwavering morals and the mysterious Taylors, the podcast covers a broad spectrum of character arcs, evolution, and their resultant impact.
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AmandaWe're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking , but even more so we love talking about loss . So join us for some laughs , good conversation and let's get lost together .
KipHello .
TheresaHey guys and welcome back to the podcast .
AmandaJesus , sorry guys , I was supposed to do the intro and I just really I don't know what else is happening . I don't like that . I told you yeah , sorry , I got distracted because Trace , show me garbage , I'm not helping you anymore , you're just kidding . No , we're done . No , it's good . It's good , it's helpful , it's helpful . So that's the episode of let's get lost . I'm one of your co-hosts , amanda , and I'm here with Teresa , who is so frustrated with me right now , and Kim was delightfully not frustrated with me right now . So how is everyone doing ?
TheresaI'm so frustrated right now .
KipI am delightfully not frustrated .
AmandaPerfect , just what we like to see .
TheresaIt's always kind of how it is . I'm not always frustrated with Amanda .
AmandaWith me , you are .
TheresaNo only sometimes , Most of the time .
AmandaWell , I think we should just get right into it , because we did not know we were going to be recording this episode , apparently tonight .
KipNo , I was ready for the next one , kim's an episode ahead of everyone .
AmandaGuys , he's ready to talk about abandoned next week ?
KipSo we'll talk about and found , and I will refresh my memory and everyone else's . So and found , written by Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof , directed by Stephen Williams . Son is devastated when she loses her wedding ring , causing the survivors to band together to search for it . While helping the tailies gather food , michael runs off in search of Walt . Jen and Mr Echo set off to find Michael , only to encounter the others .
TheresaOkay , so that front part they did not band together .
KipNo , like a couple of people helped her .
TheresaYeah , and like by helped me to talk to her .
KipYeah , that's true .
AmandaYeah , no one really helped . Kate kind of helped . I guess We'll get to that , but did she really just kind of came across she ?
Theresadidn't help , I agree . She came over and said Hurley , told me , you lost your ring .
KipWell , we'll talk about that .
AmandaSo Kip has some information for us , but not all . Jesus not all .
KipNo , I never have all the info , However , and found IMDb rating 7.8 .
TheresaVery low oh that's lower than I expected .
KipOkay , viewers 21.38 million and day 47 on the island and we have a . This is why I'm thinking , why I had thoughts today . Okay , so Sawyer's nickname count one chewy . Remember last week I was like on the web web , on the web sites online , he had the wrong one . No , I wasn't . I went back and it still says it for the previous episode , but like if he says it in this episode yeah , he does , because you can hear it .
AmandaYeah , so strange .
TheresaYeah .
AmandaWho's calling chewy ?
TheresaJin .
AmandaJin that .
KipOh , do you know why ?
AmandaBecause he's racist and because he can't communicate with him ? I don't think it's not race .
KipI'm confused . He calls him chewy , because in Star Wars no one understands chewy , except they like .
AmandaAnd you don't find that to be slightly racist ?
KipI was more of like a Star Wars reference .
AmandaYeah , it's for sure , and Star Wars are saying that he's incomprehensible to him because Sawyer doesn't speak Korean . Yeah , okay , okay . I think anything that makes fun of the fact that he's not understandable is a little bit problematic . Okay , but you know it's .
KipI mean , not everyone speaks all the languages , yeah , so there will never be everybody who can understand everyone .
AmandaYeah , but I don't think you have to , and that's fine . That's not what I take issue with . Is he's kind of making fun of him for it , right ? Or it's endearing ?
KipHe's also kind of making fun of himself .
AmandaWell , he makes fun of everyone .
KipYeah .
AmandaHe's an equal opportunity . He is , and if he thought they were friends I would feel a little bit differently about it , but he clearly does not .
KipI think he thinks Jin is his friend .
AmandaYeah , more so .
KipMichael Lessso . So if you were a little confused by Amanda's statement of Kip has some info but not all the info . That's because I do not have any trivia today , but that doesn't mean there won't be trivia , because I have one trivia question .
TheresaI have it's sudden death for me and Kip .
KipYeah .
AmandaOkay , are we ready ?
KipYeah , yeah .
AmandaThis episode . As we know , it's called lost dot dot dot and found , so this is one of two lost episodes . They use the show's name Bumble as part of the title . Bumble the other is .
TheresaBumble in translation .
AmandaYes , Ding , ding ding . Why didn't you ?
KipOkay , what's happening ? I didn't answer , but I didn't have my sound effect ready . I'm so ready Because you had bubble .
AmandaYou have to let the question ask her . Finish the question .
KipI agree .
TheresaThat's not fair . Amanda always answers . Sometimes we just let it go .
KipAmanda always answers sometimes .
AmandaOkay , so bonus question .
KipOkay , okay .
AmandaWho is that episode centered around ?
TheresaBumble , just Jin and Son . Yeah , oh nice , I don't know what have those titles are Son and Jin centric .
KipThat's a good question . Here's another piece of trivia that I found Okay , but I didn't know how to form an interquest .
AmandaI want to know . I had about four seconds to figure this out , so this is actually not that smart . But I was looking for trivia and if I had more time I might have been able to formulate my own questions . But in finding this out , apparently the end memory of them meeting like bumping is supposed to show in the way they film . It is supposed to show both Jin and Son essentially remembering that at the same time . So Son is remembering it because she finds her ring and .
AmandaJin's remembering it because he's thinking about that stuff too , right ? So it's the only shared memory in any of the flashbacks throughout the whole thing , kind of the whole thing .
KipI did like it yeah .
AmandaAnd I think it's cool that these kind of like momentous things happen on Son and Jin centric episodes , because they're very lovely .
KipThey're like the power couple , they're just so beautiful . Not power couple , just the best couple , the best .
AmandaSo I think that means it's been say going to a great episode synopses , but we need to talk or start with always .
KipTeresa's stream of consciousness .
TheresaAlso wait . What synopses Do we just do ?
Amandait . I don't like discussion , oh , okay .
TheresaEpisode five and and found Claire tries to comfort Son . That's nice . Wait , how old is Son ? What does silver mean ? What does bronze mean ? Oh my God , is this how they meet man ? What happened to her ? Oh , what happened to them that they're . What happened to Anna Lucia ? That she's not as nice as the others . Thanks , mike , for asking the questions .
TheresaFinally , I think you get some points today . It's nice of Jin to volunteer honestly . Okay , I love him . Oh my God , this interview guy is such a douche .
TheresaOh my God , jin , what is this ? That you never get time off or a raise ? That's a little ridiculous . What the hell happened to the Taley's out there ? Oh , jin is actually so caring , like it hurts , that he becomes so cold at some point . Also , I cannot with Mr Echo . I love him .
TheresaOh crap , I already forgot how to say this . What's the dog's name ? Again , boppo , boppo , boppo . How cute . I can't . That was my sound and I already forgot how to say it . Uh , oh , they're drinking orange juice , is this ? Does this mean that she's supposed to fall in love with him ? Wait , what Is this ? His horoscope work for her ? Um , are we ? Are the wait , whatever ? Uh-oh , what was that ? A boar , a coyote ? What hit him ? Ew , who are ? This Good one ? Oh , okay , others . So these . So there's others on this side too . You know , echo is actually so nice .
TheresaIt's so sad that her ring has gone in . She's thinking he's dead . That's awful . You know , loc can be so comforting , honestly , especially when you're just talking to him and he's not talking about you know the hatch and what's supposed to happen , etc . Etc . I stopped looking . Oh , that's very interesting . You know what Her date sucks .
TheresaGet your own flower dude . Oh , my god , he didn't even give it to her , he's just wearing it . What a loser . Wait , what ? Oh my god , he's such a douche . Why did you need a flower for this date if you don't even care about her ? Ah , son , you'll get a better dude soon , maybe . When is he coming ? Ew , the others don't leave tracks . No , thanks , I'm so uncomfortable . It's too still and too quiet right now . Oh , it's them hiding . Okay , that's not that bad , but wait , what are they hiding from ? Oh , hell , no , hell , no , absolutely not . Oh , my god , ugh , the teddy bear . I'm done . Ugh , jin , you're so caring . Good for you . Oh , here comes Kate . Shocker , shocker . Oh , please don't tell me there's a Sawyer on a Lucie thing coming up , mike , what you doing , stop yelling . How did they not find him sooner ? Hey , could you just keep shouting . Yeah , oh my god , kate and Coyer , satan , coyer .
KipSatan .
TheresaSatan slash Coyer . But why is she opening all the letters ? What's that gonna do when it comes to him ? I don't understand . Oh my god . She found her ring Good job for pointing it out , kate when she thought that her love was lost forever . My heart can't take it . Ew , not that orange lady . Does he follow that with her first ? Oh my god . Oh my god . I got so excited that what I'm writing here doesn't make sense . It's just large scribbles and then it says Amanda is crying . They found each other without looking the end .
AmandaOh , I get it .
KipCute .
AmandaVery cute . What do you get ?
KipWell , because .
AmandaLocke was like do you find it when you stop looking ?
KipYeah , and then you said that about them .
AmandaI just want to point out that you've already indicated for our audience that we watched it together , because you said Amanda's crying , so we did watch it together . Oh no , I cried .
TheresaShe's gonna she's gonna say something about me now .
AmandaBut it's funny because she , when they were hiding and then the feet started walking , she was like oh hell , no . And she commented like that . But I was there in actuality and it was oh fuck , no . And it was screamed as she freaked out , then followed with as the feet came by . Um , you wrote it down , yeah , Then she saw they would tell you right , she's like this fucked up . So her reactions were so much worse than she played it off in that . How much ? How am I ?
Theresasupposed to recreate that ? I'm not an actor , I'm just saying it was like you're kind of like oh , hell no .
AmandaAnd it's like no , it was a lot more than that it was she was terrified , she was very upset , it was so like it was , everything was just so quiet .
TheresaYou know what I mean .
AmandaBut yeah , I also noted . I can't believe that they didn't fight he's literally not screaming .
TheresaThat's what I don't understand , walt . Like oh my god , now that he's being followed , don't follow me , walt . You were quieter before .
KipYeah , it's so funny , he's just it's too much .
AmandaWell , you guys know what that means . We've gotten Teresa's , I guess .
KipFuck no .
AmandaHer non-hot . Take her old , take on on on the Should it be cold , Not old Cold .
Theresatake Well , it's better than oh , I mean hot , cold is the opposite .
AmandaYeah Well , you're , you're kind of looking at it kind of like a a really , you're like the refresh look .
KipIt's only been four days .
AmandaThank you .
KipSince that ref left , I mean , oh my god , yeah , that seems kind of puts an in perspective .
Amandawhen later on can I remember thinking this too when Libby's like asking Michael about their friendships , sort of , and he's like I don't know if I'd consider them friends , I'm like bitch , how can you not consider ?
Kipthem friends .
AmandaYou've been on this ref . Although I do believe in trauma , your , your bonds can accelerate . I was like how are you not friends with them ? But really it's only been like 50 days .
KipYeah , just over a month . Right and they fought a lot of it .
AmandaYeah , so it makes more sense , but I keep forgetting that it's only like think when they say
Analysis of Lost Season 2 Episode
Amandait's been four days .
KipIt's like Well , that raft left two , the second last episode of season one . We're at episode five of season two .
AmandaWhich would , in real time , be like months right , like so four days , and you're right it's been . I mean it feels like weeks and weeks yeah .
TheresaAnd I feel like it kind of brings to question like where , at what point do these people go from being strangers on an island to like friends ? Well , I mean Because like well , think about it this way on the raft , Jen gets shot and falls off the raft , so it immediately jumps in after him , or no other way around . So you're gonna get shot . Jen jumps in after him . Would you do that for someone you didn't , you weren't , you didn't like ? You know what I mean . Like probably you do that If you could , you would .
KipYeah , like you can do a lot . Like you probably instinctively want to help this person .
TheresaI guess , but I like to think it's because they care about each other , because they're friends .
KipWell , and I mean , yeah , like they're not strangers on Island anymore , but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be friends though .
TheresaWell , I think like Jen and Sawyer friends , and I think that Michael and Jen are friends .
KipYeah , like that , like sort of trio ? Yeah , I don't think , but I thought you were kind of asking about everybody .
TheresaI mean I feel like Charlie and Hurley would be like friends . No , it's weird to me that , like the friends distinction is so it can be so difficult , but like then you have Claire and Charlie where Charlie's like I'm essentially the father of that baby .
AmandaI know , for some reason it looks easier than others . You know what I mean . I mean , he's not the most warm and open guy you can get no , no .
TheresaAnd then there's Kate , who's like I never said goodbye .
AmandaWe need to talk about it later . I have so many issues with that .
KipYeah , like I do love all of Sonny's in an episode .
AmandaOh yeah . This one in particular was beautiful . It was .
KipAnd I mean Michael . He had some ups in this episode , Like it was nice to see him care about Jen , and I don't think he cares about Sawyer in this one . This is the one where he says Sawyer is not his friend .
TheresaYeah .
KipBut like him and I think Michael talking sense about Sawyer's prison break plan was also good , being like or maybe not prison break when he's like we're going to run and Michael's like run where Kind of thing Like yeah it was just like he was being sensible , for once .
AmandaNo like running around with like a chicken with a head cut off . And I do think , like he does care , because I think the reason he came to Jen at the stream was because like he's , like I'm doing this , yeah , like don't risk yourself , you know thing , right , right yeah totally Like .
TheresaAgain it was .
AmandaYeah , like I said , it seems a little counterintuitive to say don't follow me and then gills for them to follow If we want to just kind of go through like each kind of thing , like to kind of finish Michael's storyline , this episode .
AmandaIt's also heartbreaking when he's explaining to Mr Echo like that he like lost him and he was like taken from his hands and stuff like that . Yeah , and I think what's very interesting about that is , I think , why Mr Echo is kind of like willing to kind of I don't know if acquiesce to like Michael's mood and behavior and stuff is the right word but he like they obviously wait him out and like end up walking with him , like you know , and whatever ends up happening with that . But I wonder if it's because , like you know , they've seen so much loss and like you don't really understand how much Mr Echo is empathizing with him in this episode but you later on will see , like what they've been through and it's like you can understand why he's like as patient was willing to go looking for him and like stuff like that , cause he's like I get it Like if this was something like .
AmandaThink of how we feel . Like I almost can see like because Mr Echo is a very empathetic person too the wheels kind of turning up like if this is how we feel about , like people we were on a plane with . How would it feel if it was like your son , right , totally Something like that ? So you know , Mr Echo is a great character and he's a good actor . Like you can see a lot of emotion on his face when he's like in that scene with Michael and I think it's really beautiful .
KipSo what next ? What do you guys want to talk about next ?
AmandaWhat do we tell ? What about this whole ring thing ? I mean , the ring thing is dry , is dry , drives this episode .
KipI'm sorry , the ring thing annoyed me .
AmandaIt's symbolic . I understand the symbolism .
KipBut it's not really about to ring . It's so freaking obvious . It's when you , literally four hours ago , were digging your hands through sand bearing a bottle .
AmandaAlso a funny piece of trivia . They , if you watch , go back and watch .
KipYeah , it rings still on .
AmandaNo , oh . So if you go back and watch apparently and we should all do this , but this is what multiple websites said you go back and watch the her bury the ring , her bury the thing she has her ring on in that scene , and then the next scene you see here and she doesn't Okay .
KipI'm pulling up the clip .
TheresaYeah , let's see if they're right .
AmandaAnd that's supposed to be like , kind of like you know , an omen for what this episode's going to be about .
TheresaThat's some attention to detail .
KipRepeat but that's what they're doing . Everybody hates .
AmandaHugo , yeah , yeah .
KipSo when she buries , it Must be , because she's putting the bottle in and she's not wearing a ring , mm-hmm , yeah , and you would never notice , like you never think to look for that , right ?
AmandaNo , so it just does . Like I think Dan had mentioned that the attention to detail is very strong in the show and it really is , yeah , like at the end of the day . So it and it is annoying , like I agree , like you , I don't know why she wouldn't have thought that's what did it and I , but I know that she was panicking and we all know , like , again , like we joke about it , but it's obviously symbolic About this idea that she lost Jin and now she's lost her ring . And if she lost her ring , then she probably really did lose Jin and all this stuff . Right , it was the last thing she was holding on to .
AmandaSo , what I , I agree . What I don't love about it is how obvious it is , because lost , I find , is better than that usually . Like I found the symbolism that again we're jumping all over the place , but the symbolism of Locke , that treat , or that Teresa pointed out earlier in her stream of consciousness , the symbolism of them bumping into each other at the end after he's literally looking at someone else and she's just given up on this like date , the idea that they weren't looking and they found each other to be more powerful , totally .
AmandaLike lost ring thing , and then her finding it and feeling hope again , right , so it is a little bit obvious , I think , for this show . I think they've they've done it better in the past and we'll do it better in the future . But I mean , it gets the point across , I guess .
Character Backstories and Island Dynamics
KipLike with their backstories to me was less about I mean , maybe I'm wrong , but it was less about we always talk about how the backstories or the flashbacks I should say the flashbacks provide us insight into their how they're acting on the island . To me , this was almost like this was just a nice sort of like history of Sanogen . It just gave back story of like their meeting , like I get it played into like her feeling that she's lost her husband and all that . But I also . It was nice almost just to have like these . You just get to see backstory without being sort of told backstory Like it was just it was a really cool history almost of like each of those characters .
AmandaAnd it does show like again that kind of cause . We see , we're almost like learning about Jin in reverse right .
AmandaSo we're met with this super angry man Like he's . He's like evolving on the island . Like . To anyone who would like see him , they probably think he's evolving and changing into like a more kind , generous person . But really what we're seeing in the flashbacks is he's returning to like a more simple version of himself . So the more like you know he's on the island , connecting with his wife again , connecting with his fishermen roots , connecting with his skill set , and he's getting closer to like a sense of who he actually is as a person the like kinder and gentler and more peaceful he is , whereas like in real life , towards the end he was becoming like a like really bad version of himself .
KipAnd you can see just the way you know he feels so proud when he gets that job . At first and even after he's just like , talked down to , like he's just a piece of trash , but yet he's so happy to be given this opportunity and basically look in his eyes better than what he sees himself as , or he sees his roots as , and you can sort of understand a little bit more of that just before the plane crash Jen who's willing to do anything to impress son's father because he's a wealthy , powerful man . And it's like he was falling . You can kind of see the beginnings of him falling into that trap and this . So we're not necessarily seeing backstory that provides insight into immediate on island Jen , but we're definitely seeing backstory that allows us to see how he became that on island Jen at the beginning anyway , absolutely .
KipAlso like God's . I don't know how accurate this is to working in South Korea , but it sounds horrible , at least at that hotel . Oh yeah , no time off , no raise .
TheresaOver time Don't let anyone in who's like you like . Oh my God , that was horrible yeah .
AmandaAnd I mean it's just kind of interesting , like you kind of already knew that they came from very different worlds , but seeing like not only like the difference in how they like worlds they came from it in terms of like wealth and status , but just in terms of how like they view things right . She's clearly a part of a world that places value on , you know , money and status and these like kind of a range set up , marriage things and stuff like that , and you know that she was buying into it for a little while there . She wasn't .
AmandaAnd then she was , and then she got hurt and she wasn't again right .
KipSo okay , I was confused the hotel manager or hotel owner son . He wasn't actually wanting to go through with no , he was just sort of doing this to A piece his family there before he could get a shit together and leave .
AmandaYeah , right .
KipSo it wasn't like he was going to get married to just to son at all . Not at all . That's what I take away from it . Yeah , he's just kind of like spending time with her Killing time and like so it'll stay after his back Exactly .
TheresaUntil he can go and do what she wants and he can do what he wants .
AmandaAnd I think he thought like he was creepy in the beginning and then okay , ish , and like then then he kind of turned into a bit of a jerk , but I do genuinely seem . I think that maybe you know and you can tell from their conversation in the beginning that he's kind of . I think he thinks that neither of them are taking it very seriously .
AmandaYeah , I think so , and I honestly like I mean , he's probably a jerk and all that stuff . But I do think that he didn't realize how she felt Like I think he thought that they both were kind of taking the piss at this a little bit On the same page , yeah . And then it's just unfortunate that she was kind of buying into it .
KipYeah , she kind of got caught up in the moment . Yeah , Look , I mean he was kind of charming right .
TheresaLike it's nice when you know you feel a certain way about something and then you meet someone who you know is in the same situation and you kind of bond over that and and , like I said , why did he , why did he bother with the thought he's like I would date me and get this one over on ? Well , I think at that point .
KipThat was the first date right . Yeah , I think it's second date that lunch oh okay , I thought maybe he was trying to impress , like the parents and the matchmakers .
TheresaBut yeah , it was just the two of us . I was like why would you go that far ?
AmandaLike I think that's a little bit by a little bit , why he was a dick , though , because I think it was like also just because he was buying into the whole date thing . Yeah , I also think it was just because he was kind of bugging gin right Like he could take what he wants from him , kind of thing .
KipAnd I thought he was going to get in trouble for not having that flower . I was like oh my God , didn't get another flower . No , Now .
TheresaBecause , like , even when he they gave the you know from , like that was part of it and I was like oh my God , where did you get one of those Funny ?
KipHe just like makes a call and he hears your uniform . You start right now .
TheresaAlso , I know all of your sizes .
KipYeah , exactly .
TheresaLike my God . Okay , sure , Sure , yeah , absolutely .
KipMaybe part of the application was to like give your measurements .
TheresaMaybe I don't know . I mean , I think I remember when I was younger . I remember seeing like a when I went to the , I think the Philippines , there was a sign that they were hiring and like they had like physical criteria Some random like fast food . Oh and yeah , they were in the Philippines . Yeah , but this was like you were applying .
TheresaNo , I was like I like read the sign because I was like I'm going to read the dialogue and then , yeah , they had some physical qualities that they wanted , but let's keep in mind that was like 30 years ago , I was proud of Jin when he let the or when he quit . Same .
KipI was like good for you , jin , very , very proud of him .
TheresaI was proud of him for letting him in , like it was one of those things were like you could tell he was like Sorry , I can't . And then he let them in and was like just hurry , just hurry . And of course that guy's just standing right there , like I said , like away .
AmandaThat's just adore yourself then .
KipI mean I don't know , like , Surely there's other places that dad and the kid could use . The kid could use the toilet , kid couldn't hold it . Oh , he could have kids can hold it . But like I was just like clearly they're in the district with lots of amenities , probably shopping , restaurants . I'm at Jin . Come on , you could have done .
AmandaKeep an eye , don't like to rock the boat . Yeah , I do want to say something about this . Like Sun storyline on island , say no , I kind of shoot on a little bit . What I do like about it is I think it's kind of interesting because a lot of the times we get like a lot of perspectives per episode , even when they're like character-centric , yeah , but this kind of was the first , one of the first ones . I think there's a couple that do this where , like you kind of see everything on island from only her perspective , like for the survivors .
AmandaNot so much for obviously the tailies , but People are coming to her having little like , so when everyone's like , oh , she keeps interacting with random people , that would kind of happen Right like on an island . Oh yeah yeah , they walk away . She deals with someone else and I kind of like that , like to kind of see how different people , except for one .
TheresaI think we can guess what one she didn't like .
AmandaI actually do like it and I want to talk about that in a second , because that that scene is very good when we were watching . That's not what she's . No , no , I hate her , and what I like about the scene Is fundamentally about how much I hate her .
Character Interactions and the Tailies' Journey
AmandaOkay , but the lock one is also really cute . The lock one is the best one .
AmandaAnd another little . So when I was looking for all this trivia , I couldn't come up with questions , but I found all these little tidbits of other things people had said about the episode , and one of the things was that this is the the only time . This is like one of the I think maybe I'm not IMD one of those like finding lost guides or whatever Said that this is the only time so far this season and maybe for the rest of season that we get kind of like Philosopher lock .
KipYeah , that's true , it was very much like philosopher lock was like season one lock , yeah , yeah where he's kind of like this , like kind wise , benevolent , helper , philosopher guy .
AmandaSo far this season he's been quite Erratic and erratic yeah . So I I liked that kind of spin on it . I do really think what they talked about and how he explained to her that he was really angry . And then how did ? He stop and Because he found he wasn't lost anymore . That's all very beautiful .
TheresaIt was yeah he replanted what she pulled out ? Yeah it was cute .
KipI also like the jack one . It was like , yay , like a snippet of nice calm jack .
AmandaIt was nice to have not an open .
TheresaYeah , yeah , exactly , that was a good one because couldn't you kind of see him be like ? You know he's walked mine . He's like what's what's going on ? She's like I lost my ring and he's like well , son , we're moving to the , to the hatch .
KipYou know like you can come back to another time . Right now we got to move to the hatch . Okay , Get your shit , let's go yeah right .
TheresaYeah , no , it was nice , so it's just nice to be like leaned out , like that's your bedside manner .
KipYeah , where's that when , like people are in trauma Dying on a bedside table ?
AmandaI think that jack just really could empathize in that moment , right . Yeah when jack is able to empathize , he will . I just think jack's one of those people and like it's kind of weird how this happens . But there's some people that just cannot empathize until they've been through it right .
TheresaUm . How do you feel about ? Hurly is um ?
Amandadog or bad korea .
TheresaOh my god , I was like the dog one better Okay .
KipOh , that's not a bad idea . The money , the coins , was a funny story and I like , I liked how like it was . Just . Yeah , like the . I know I go back and forth with like the levity , but it's nice to have some levity , regardless , regardless of who it is , it's just it was nice that it was like to see a hurly in son interaction . Like you said , it was nice to see son interacting with so many different people .
AmandaBut I also think what's interesting and that'll lead me to the last one Is I think that every interaction he had she had with someone was very on brand for their character , like other than the fact that jack can go both ways in terms of when he is like that . That was very on brand for jack . Definitely , lock philosophy thing was very on brand . The like claire optimism was very on brand . The hurly joking was on brand and the kate Pretending to care about Her to get her own way very on brand so weird .
KipLike let's be honest .
AmandaShe wanted that bottle because she wants her note back . That's what she was looking for . And then when son started asking questions , she's like I never said goodbye to him and made it about how she misses swire . Yeah , whether or not she may be a little bit misses swir , I'm not saying she doesn't , I'm sure she does . I'm sure she'd be very upset if swir was did she write a note though ? I think that isn't that kind of what ends up . That that's what I thought it's like . Why are you reading that ?
KipI thought she was trying to read Sawyer's note , but then I was like I don't think , sorry about a written one .
AmandaI don't think he did . I think that's what . I think that was a misdirect .
KipYeah .
AmandaI think . That's why I think she was looking for her note and I think that she . I think we can cut this if you want , but I'm pretty sure that doesn't swir . Give it to her eventually .
KipI honestly , I don't know .
AmandaI don't know now either .
KipAre you googling this yeah ?
AmandaBut I thought it was something like that .
KipBut even if it isn't like , the fact that I think it might be , but it is very on brand for Kate , like pretending to help and care to get what she wants . Yeah , either way right Like either way .
AmandaSo whether or not it's her note or Sawyer's note , yeah , I just like I said , every interaction someone had was on brand Just the fact that she's rooting through these notes , unscrolling all of them and reading them .
KipI'm like what the hell is wrong with you ? And then like , yeah , I like how Son is like what are you doing ?
AmandaThose aren't yours to read and then , of course , when when Kate is cornered or called out for something or feels like she emotionally Manipulates , so she's like I never got to say goodbye to him .
TheresaApparently she's looking for his fine .
AmandaStill your , your point still stands oh 100% like she's as soon as she's caught into a situation .
KipShe doesn't like she emotionally manipulates .
AmandaShe is a narcissist , I'm sorry to say . Whether she has good reasons for it or not , or whether certain people think that the sun rises and sets with her , she , okay , she is an emotionally manipulative narcissist . Does she have good reasons for it ? Yeah , so are you gonna find out what they are in about four episodes ? Sure you are . Is that that's what Kate did ?
KipOh , yeah , um , yeah , that was uh . I agree on those points . Let's go back to the tailies the tailings .
AmandaThey're real like this is us driving these episodes right now .
KipYeah , the tailies . So interesting this , uh Beginning of trekking into the jungle to get back to the Other survivors .
AmandaOh , this is happening so fast .
KipI know I seem to recall it taking like Episodes and episodes for this stuff , but I think it's moving at a pretty it's moving at a great pace , although , that being said , it's only been four days , but the pace of the show itself is very good , so what does everyone think about the tailies like ?
Kipum , so like very interesting last episode to see that sort of like drab , depressing bunker and they're all like freaking traumatized , and is just so Starically different from what our survivors have gone through I'll call them that for now .
Contrasting Personalities and Experiences in Lost
KipBut like um , there's clearly Different personalities . Anna Lucia is a very strong personality , and so is mr Echo , but yet they somehow have been able to Coexist , and maybe that has to do with the fact that he hasn't never mind that's not yet um , but they're , they're . They find a way to work together and she respects his opinion just as much as she may not agree with it . So I think that's a really cool dichotomy , because you don't really see that with our survivors , if they have a differing of opinion , they seem to get into a fist fight right away , correct ?
Amandaand that's the thing is because she's more aggressive .
KipSo you would think that that would not be the case but then also just to see , like liby and bernard and syndy being a bit gentler- a bit more kind sort of open to wanting to help and and um , it is a very unique group . Um , I didn't care for the . I don't know , maybe I'm just being sensitive , but I didn't care for like Kind of like the light homophobia when she was like you gay and he gets like all like no , I hate that .
AmandaThat's an early 2000s . It's true , right . That's what I was thinking like . It's funny to joke about that like . I don't see how anyone ever thought that was okay .
KipNo , well , totally , it's just crazy , how , like that would never be in a show today . But yeah , so I didn't care for that , but that was just sort of like one thing , um , and that would be on the writer's part . But , um , yeah , I mean , it's like you say , I think these stories are carrying the show because it's so different , like they're , they're attitudes , they're whole personas , they're tone of everything , like there's just this like feeling of just despair and you're like it is just like you want to see what's happening .
AmandaWell , you want to you . I mean , the first thing I remember asking myself , like you back then , it was like , why , yeah , why . Why are their experiences so like , essentially different , like , is it just because they're on the beach and they're on this side of the island ? Is it personality , wise , like what happened ? Like I just kept being like and I still am , even though I know the answer . Um , it's hard to say like , like , you're like . How could these two groups of people who literally were on the same plane , same circumstance , the same island , have such vastly different , horrifically different experiences ? They've lost about as many people on the beach as those others have left .
KipYeah , right .
AmandaLike they essentially are living the opposite experience .
KipRight yeah , totally .
TheresaAnd we don't know why .
AmandaAnd we have no idea why , and the fact that , like they're , they're naming the others naming . We're seeing people .
KipYeah .
AmandaRight , like that was terrifying .
KipExactly Like it's easy to almost forget about Ethan because it happened so early on in season one and then they kind of just didn't really do much with the others Um , after that , and so like like we kind of got this glimpse of it , but it was almost like we're meant to just sort of forget about them , Like um , and then when you see these , the tail is exactly that naming one , or potentially naming one , and going and and like the terrified .
AmandaAnd just to see kind of these , even with Ethan they , they seemed otherworldly Right . And Ethan is , when we see him fight Charlie or do whatever it is he does to Charlie , yeah , it's like a superhero and he comes in and he's out and he's sleek and he's smart and he's deceptive and he's like well put together and he accomplishes all these things . And then what the next glimpse we kind of have of anything substantially these people ?
Kipit's just these , like dirty bear feet walking through a jungle teddy bear and you're like what is ?
Theresahappening . Totally . It's so strange . Well , especially because leading up to it you've only heard like others , others , others , whatever . And then there's this moment where Echo just stops and he's looking around . There's no , there's no music , there's nothing , it's just silence . And then all of a sudden it's just like foliage and you see them hiding and you're like okay , like what are we hiding ?
Kipfrom Well . The suspense was amazing . Oh yeah , the build up was so good .
TheresaBut like I just remember thinking like , oh okay , they're hiding , like I'm sure it's fine . I thought maybe the smoke monster was going to come back , because it was just like so eerily , like quiet . And then that first foot , because even when he's like no , that's Michael , because the others don't leave tracks I was like what was it ?
KipWhat was she like ? Again , I'll pull the clip .
AmandaOh fuck no .
KipAnd she's not so scared .
AmandaShe's like jump . She's like she was like I can't even .
KipLike it's something we've never seen before . It's totally new .
TheresaSo scary , I'm sorry .
KipIt's very , very creepy .
AmandaIt's very creepy and , like I said , it's very different than the only other . Like , and it begs the question , like is the what they're dealing with the same as what ?
Kipexactly like or is it a totally different ? Like horror yeah .
AmandaVery well done .
KipYeah .
AmandaYeah , so creepy .
KipYeah , but yeah when they find Michael .
TheresaOh , michael finds them , remember . Oh right , and then what do you do in here , or whatever ?
KipYeah , that's right . And then he says stop following me . Wow , well , but I . But then again , when Echo confronts him and he said like let them hear me . I was kind of like you know what that's actually ?
Amandaon Brad .
KipTotally , and like he wants to find them , so he can find no . And I was like okay , you know you're crazy yelling . I guess in your mind it makes sense and in a way it does a little bit .
AmandaBut he's just so . I think what bothers me is like I it's so weird because I felt a lot from Michael and that scene I talked a bit about that earlier . Like I felt a lot , I feel like he was able to command a lot of emotion out of Mr Echo who hits a stranger to him . Jin , I think , understands , like Jin understood enough , not speaking English , to say you'll find him Right .
KipIn English .
AmandaYeah . So it's like , clearly he's experiencing so much emotion and I understand that when we're emotional we're not always rational but what is he thinks going to happen if he just gets taken by them as well ? Being with Walt again is not the same as saving him , no .
KipAnd or yelling , and what if they just kill him ? Yeah . Because they a caracad is head or whatever Like .
TheresaIt's just like a half baked kind of plan .
KipAnd , like you say , amanda , when your emotions are so high sometimes your plans don't always make the most sense .
TheresaYeah , and I find . But I find the problem with Michael is like that's a lot of his . It's always like an act first , think later . I think that's what's like so frustrating is like the first time he lost Walt , it was a lot of yelling , didn't really help , you know what I mean . Like it's , it's like his go to , but like so far that plan hasn't done anything for you . So maybe let's try something different because clearly it's not working . So let's just , let's read , let's reset , and in a way he does because he comes back with them , yeah , and he's like he kind of like figures .
KipOkay , yeah , maybe I'll take a different approach . Yeah , Also .
TheresaI just I think it's very sweet that Jin went to go after him and then I found it even more endearing that like I was like , well , I'm just going to go with him to find his friend , like there was no . He's like get back , guys , I'll be back .
KipThis Jin , poor Daniel Day Kim as an actor , having to wear that fricking hand cuff oh my God . Yeah , how uncomfortable would that be Like . He must love doing those flashback scenes where he doesn't have to wear the hand cuff . Good continuity , though . Cause it's still there , still there , someone get it off . I know they get it off , but I just I can't remember when it is .
TheresaMe neither .
KipSo that's , or did we miss anything ?
AmandaNo things , I think just yeah , that end kind of piece of sonnage and meeting and it just being that , like I did cry , like Teresa said , like I cried and lots of things in this , like they , they have a beautiful love story and the worst or best or most interesting part , however you view it , I think you have to . You know , love it , hate it . I don't know that anyone hates it , but it's . It started out as probably the most terrifying couple to like actually just be . You fall more and more in love with them as a couple .
AmandaOh , good point , and they're so beautiful and it's like to take a couple that in the like first little bit you like , probably despised , cringed when they came over . Oh , yeah , to make it already in only just a season . This like more beautiful thing and like the fact that it keeps going and going . It's nuts , that's awesome . So I think this is a good segue into seeing what did a beautiful love story of son and gin do to our character rankings from Miss Teresa , that's me .
TheresaThere's no honorary person this week .
KipNo , that's fine .
TheresaSo we're going to start off at number 17 with Michael at the negative 1,355 , and we have Shannon at number 16 with negative 920 , kate with negative 280 and then Analucia in the last in the negatives with minus or negative 20 . Then we have lovely Desmond with 60 , libby with 65 , walt with 240 . Mr Echo cracks the top 10 with 265 , charlie 605 , jack 660 , claire 700 , claire 795 . Our top five is Locke with 840 , gin with 910 , said with 1,110 , harley with 1375 and then our reigning queen son with 1510 .
KipWow , did Kate go up or down ?
TheresaI think she went down slightly .
KipWill Mr Echo ever leave the top 10 , or is he a permanent fixture in that top 10 now ?
TheresaI mean , I can't predict what's going to happen with . Mr Echo . But spoiler alert , Trace's username for season two is Mr Echo Lover 92 . Oh , nice .
KipDo you have a new one , Amanda ?
AmandaI think that if I did , it would be , you know , something to do with Desmond . Yeah , I love Desmond so much .
KipOkay , so it would be like Des lover 92 does love .
AmandaI want it to be something more than just as Humber . Oh , yeah , humper does .
TheresaHumper it is . I don't want Mr Echo lover 92 . That's what you know , but I just based it on your Jack lover Ninety two . I'll pick a new one . I'll have to make one up .
KipAll right .
TheresaYou do , you have a new character or love this season ?
KipNot yet .
TheresaIt's Anna Lucia . Are you going to take it the Lucia or the Lucia part , like I do in my name ?
KipI will not . All right , so let's go over and give our own ratings , ok . Ok , so for me this will be like a Eight point three . Ok , eight point two . Why , that's a good question . I mean it was good , but it , it , it . I didn't really like the ring thing . I get the symbolism . It's where you just took the frickin whole six hours before Son come on . I know you're smarter than that , but also it . Yeah , like it . Just it was a little bit light for my loving of lost episodes .
AmandaI have to echo that I am . I would give it probably about an eight , eight point two maybe . I love Son and Jin . I love their off off Island storyline . I love the beauty of their love . I like the stuff of the Taley's . I just I agree .
AmandaLike I think that the I lost my wedding ring at the time where I like lost my husband and my husband is missing , is like a very overt trope for a show like this , like a show that is like prides itself on those things like the attention to detail , like you remember to take her ring off at one point in the previous episode when she's wearing it , because that's what you do as a show . So don't use these kind of like obvious storylines to drive forward the narrative of what she misses Jin , like that's the other thing . What is , what is her storyline really ? Tell us right . They always tell us something and I just I'd other than she's upset . Jin is gone and she was hopeless for a little while . Now she's hopeful again . I think they could have done a lot more if they wanted to just show us the son and Jin backstory . I think we could have concentrated just really more on Jin trying to get back to her or something like that . I don't think it needed to be that way .
TheresaI'm going to give it . It's funny . I was actually thinking also like around an eight point three . Yeah , I agree with the ring stuff , like I think it's pretty . It's just very in your face , which you know . But I did like Jin's part of the whole thing . I liked who he was before and who he is now , or you know , very similar and I like that part of part of it a lot . There wasn't a lot that was going on really in this episode . I mean obviously like Mr Echo really just doing it for your gal T dog , it's about it .
KipYeah , ok , well , I mean , let's be real here though . Eight point two to eight point three , that's a great score .
AmandaOh , absolutely , it's above the average .
KipIt's like probably on the lower side for us , but it's so amazing .
TheresaExactly .
KipSo awesome . Well , thank you everybody , and please send us an email Tell us what you thought about this episode . Let's get lost pod at gmailcom . Visit us online . Visit our socials let's get lostpod on Instagram and Facebook . Follow us , ask us questions and download the podcast wherever you can , and tell your friends and family On your next episode bye , bye .