Amanda:
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You're three best friends, and we love lost, and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about lost. So join us for some laughs, good conversation, and let's get lost together. 

Kip:
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You. 

Amanda:
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of let's get lost. I'm your host, Amanda, and I'm joined with very excitable people apparently today. 

Kip:
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Just giggling. 

Theresa:
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Why? 

Kip:
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Weird dance moves to the I do. 

Theresa:
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Every time I think. 

Kip:
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Don't. 

Amanda:
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I've never seen. It doesn't help that on top of that, you're rubbing your face with a rock. 

Theresa:
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It's not just a rock. It's the lost rock. 

Amanda:
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Thanks for coming. 

Kip:
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Thanks for coming. 

Amanda:
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Thanks for coming. 

Kip:
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Thanks for coming out, guys. 

Amanda:
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Thanks for coming out. Well, if they're listening to clearly. 

Theresa:
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Yeah, not clearly. What if they like to watch us listen? 

Kip:
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Too bad we can't think of everybody. 

Amanda:
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We can talk about it at some point. 

Kip:
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No. No. 

Amanda:
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Okay. Speaking of things that will ruin the entire storyline, Teresa, why don't you give us the synopsis for this week? 

Theresa:
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Okay. So we are at episode six, abandoned, written by Elizabeth Sarnoff and directed by Adam Davidson. An intimate evening between said and shannon is interrupted by a brief sighting of walt. Claire worries about her parenting skills and tells Locke some troubling information about Charlie. Anna, Lucy, and Mr. 

Theresa:
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Echo lead their party on a trek to unite with the rest of the survivors. Just as Shannon heads into the jungle to look for Walt, their paths cross, leading to tragedy. 

Amanda:
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So, like I had anticipated, the entire thing was ruined. In contrast, I don't even have to look it up because I saw it earlier. The one on Disney plus is something like, sawyer's arm injury becomes life threatening. 

Kip:
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That's the one I saw, too. 

Theresa:
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That doesn't tell you anything? 

Kip:
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No, it's quite minimal. 

Amanda:
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So what I think happens is Disney plus reads the synopsis that came out of the official complete collection, and then they mention the one line that they don't mention, and that's their synopsis. 

Kip:
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And they're like, I think you're on this one. 

Amanda:
[00:02:25 - 00:02:31]
Compliment one another. So they have to be read in tandem if you want the entire episode ruined for you. 

Kip:
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Or the synopsis. The whole thing. 

Theresa:
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I mean, if you just took out, like, the last part, it would have been fine. 

Kip:
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The IMDb one is usually pretty good. 

Theresa:
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Know, just take out the. 

Kip:
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Ends in ruin. 

Theresa:
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Just try to take out tragedy. Just as Shannon heads into the jungle to look for Walt. 

Kip:
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Is that what it said? 

Theresa:
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Yeah. 

Kip:
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I wasn't listening. Just as Shannon heads out into the jungle to look for Walt, their paths cross, leaving. 

Theresa:
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So just take out from there onward and just. 

Amanda:
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I know. 

Theresa:
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I told you. 

Amanda:
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It's like they don't want you to watch the dvds. 

Theresa:
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They just want you to read. The photo next to it is like, in case you didn't read the synopsis. Look what's happening there. 

Kip:
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Sayeed's carrying Chandan in his arms and he looks very upset. 

Theresa:
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He's like. Her arms are, like, limp. 

Kip:
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Yeah, I mean, she did. 

Amanda:
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She did. 

Theresa:
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She dead? 

Kip:
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All right, let me tell you a little bit about this episode. 

Theresa:
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Okay. 

Kip:
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IMDb rating 8.2. 

Amanda:
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Really? 

Kip:
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On the lower side. 

Theresa:
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I can see that. 

Kip:
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Yeah. Understandable viewers. 20 million days, 47 to 48. On the island. We had two nicknames from Sawyer this week. 

Amanda:
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Ponce de Leon. 

Theresa:
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Chewy. 

Kip:
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Yeah. Beautiful. Good job. 

Theresa:
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Thank you. 

Kip:
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Okay, I'm going to give you trivia. 

Theresa:
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Why are you looking at me like that? 

Amanda:
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I'm ready to pounce. De Leon. 

Kip:
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It's pretty good. 

Theresa:
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Absolutely not. 

Kip:
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No bounce de Leon. All right, this is the second quote, unquote main death in the series. Where does Shannon's death rank in IGN's list of best lost deaths? 

Theresa:
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Define best. 

Kip:
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Well, I can't because I don't know. 

Amanda:
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Do you know how many there are total? Oh, never mind. Don't say that. 

Kip:
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Actually, no, but just. 

Theresa:
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Okay. 

Kip:
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You don't need all the details. You just take a guess. 

Amanda:
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I think it's six. 

Kip:
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Okay, do you have a guess last? I don't know. I don't have the whole. 

Theresa:
[00:04:35 - 00:04:36]
Not. 

Kip:
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You're close, Amanda. Apparently it's the fifth best lost death. 

Theresa:
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Because they all rejoiced that she was IGN. 

Kip:
[00:04:45 - 00:04:48]
Yeah. Look it up, because I'm curious now. 

Theresa:
[00:04:48 - 00:04:54]
Yeah. I just wonder if it's because they were like, oh, her character wasn't that well developed and she sucked. 

Kip:
[00:04:54 - 00:04:57]
I don't know. We'll talk about it. But I think. 

Theresa:
[00:04:57 - 00:04:58]
Or was it the shock factor? 

Kip:
[00:04:58 - 00:05:06]
Yeah, I think the shock factor and probably what it leads to, a very intense confrontation. 

Theresa:
[00:05:08 - 00:05:10]
I actually don't remember. 

Amanda:
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I don't think this would be terrible to hear. It's IgN's top ten lost deaths. 

Kip:
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Okay. You're not going to read them out? 

Amanda:
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No, I'm just kind of taking a look here. 

Theresa:
[00:05:23 - 00:05:30]
It made it sound like you had an announcement. So we're just kind of, like, waiting here, like, staring at you, but you're just kind of going through the list. 

Amanda:
[00:05:31 - 00:05:35]
Okay. Shannon is five, correct. I don't agree with this list. 

Theresa:
[00:05:35 - 00:05:37]
Oh, no. Should we make our own list? 

Kip:
[00:05:38 - 00:05:39]
Maybe in time. 

Theresa:
[00:05:39 - 00:05:41]
Yeah, maybe in time. 

Amanda:
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All right. 

Kip:
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You see, my son, I'm playing with the buttons again. 

Amanda:
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I love it. 

Kip:
[00:05:45 - 00:05:57]
Okay, second question. Which major character appears but with no speaking lines and which major character for the first time does not appear in the episode at. Mm hmm. 

Amanda:
[00:05:57 - 00:06:25]
Jack appears with no speaking lines. He's in the hospital. Because for those who don't know Adam Shannon's dad, I'm sure most people probably did pick up on this. But Adam Shannon's dad is the man that Sarah, Jack's wife, the girl that he's helping save when he meets Desmond, gets in an accident with. So Jack's either on the way from Sarah or to Sarah when you see him in the hallway and just, like, scooting by. 

Amanda:
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Yes. And the person who doesn't appear at all is Kate. 

Kip:
[00:06:28 - 00:06:28]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
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For the first time. 

Theresa:
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Is it weird that I didn't even notice? 

Amanda:
[00:06:31 - 00:06:33]
Nope. That sounds about right. 

Kip:
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Teresa, you're going to like this one. 

Theresa:
[00:06:35 - 00:06:36]
I also don't agree with this list. 

Kip:
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Okay, so the baby, Aaron, is supposed to be six days old. How old is the actual real life baby that plays Aaron? 

Amanda:
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He's going to be, like, seven months close. 

Theresa:
[00:06:55 - 00:06:56]
He's six months. 

Kip:
[00:06:56 - 00:06:59]
Six months? Yeah. The six month old that's playing, the six day old. 

Theresa:
[00:06:59 - 00:07:00]
Massive. 

Amanda:
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His head is bigger than Charlie's head. 

Theresa:
[00:07:02 - 00:07:10]
Like, there's no way that a fresh baby is that. Could you imagine birthing a six month old baby? 

Amanda:
[00:07:10 - 00:07:18]
Well, it's not that, but it's just, like, the way he's developed and the way she is. Neither of them would be this. Okay. Six days after giving birth on a deserted island. 

Theresa:
[00:07:18 - 00:07:19]
Absolutely not. 

Kip:
[00:07:19 - 00:07:21]
Yeah. It's not even been a week now. 

Theresa:
[00:07:21 - 00:07:27]
She should be sore. I don't know what she's like. Many questions going on. She's very. Just like, la la. 

Theresa:
[00:07:27 - 00:07:37]
She would have constipation. She would have some issues down there. She would also not be so fit right away. 

Kip:
[00:07:40 - 00:07:42]
I don't know any of that. 

Theresa:
[00:07:42 - 00:07:44]
No. Yeah, apparently, I don't have any kids. 

Kip:
[00:07:44 - 00:07:51]
Just from what I've been told. So there's also a couple deleted scenes that were really interesting. Do you want me to read them? Absolutely. Okay. 

Kip:
[00:07:51 - 00:08:07]
So a deleted scene from this episode depicts Shannon talking to Sabrina after the wake. Sabrina notes that the only thing they have in common was their love for Adam Rutherford. Sabrina ruins this emotional moment by asking Shannon, when will you be leaving? 

Amanda:
[00:08:08 - 00:08:09]
Jesus. 

Kip:
[00:08:10 - 00:08:38]
And then the second one. A deleted scene from this episode shows Shannon on her first night of the pair job with Philippe. Shannon meets Laurent for the first time, along with Laurent being the kid, I think for the first time, along with Philippe's wife, Dominique, Shannon and Philippe share intimate moments while Dominique stands by, oblivious. Kind of interesting, because in this episode, her dance teacher, partner, friend person. 

Theresa:
[00:08:38 - 00:08:38]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:08:38 - 00:08:40]
Was given the job offer. 

Amanda:
[00:08:41 - 00:08:42]
So how did that end up then? 

Kip:
[00:08:42 - 00:08:48]
We heard in season one that Shannon was actually french. 

Amanda:
[00:08:49 - 00:08:51]
I'm guessing maybe she had to take it after. 

Kip:
[00:08:52 - 00:08:58]
Apparently that's. Yeah, like, she had to take it because she couldn't afford to live in New York and then had to make some money somehow because Sabrina wouldn't give her anything. 

Amanda:
[00:08:58 - 00:08:58]
What a. 

Theresa:
[00:08:59 - 00:09:00]
She's, like, literally just the worst. 

Kip:
[00:09:00 - 00:09:02]
So it's all Sabrina's fault? 

Amanda:
[00:09:02 - 00:09:03]
Yeah, she's the worst. 

Theresa:
[00:09:03 - 00:09:03]
She's a. 

Kip:
[00:09:03 - 00:09:05]
But Shannon is the way she is. 

Amanda:
[00:09:06 - 00:09:07]
Absolutely. 

Kip:
[00:09:07 - 00:09:09]
And why she's on the island. 

Amanda:
[00:09:09 - 00:09:11]
And why she's on the island. 

Theresa:
[00:09:11 - 00:09:11]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:09:11 - 00:09:13]
And why boon is dead. It's everyone's fault. 

Kip:
[00:09:13 - 00:09:15]
But it's actually Sabrina's fault. 

Amanda:
[00:09:15 - 00:09:16]
That's true. 

Kip:
[00:09:17 - 00:09:19]
Okay, let's move on. 

Amanda:
[00:09:19 - 00:09:33]
Well, now that we've heard about some deleted scenes, I think it's time to hear some really random ideas about the scenes that did make it in with, of course, Sabrina. Sabrina's stream of consciousness. 

Theresa:
[00:09:33 - 00:09:36]
Don't tell me Sabrina. You guys literally just. My God. 

Amanda:
[00:09:36 - 00:09:37]
Fine. 

Kip:
[00:09:37 - 00:09:41]
Teresa's stream of consciousness, also. 

Theresa:
[00:09:41 - 00:09:48]
All right, so, Vincent. Yay. I'm glad he's here. I'm glad she still cares for him. You know, I honestly forgot these two were a thing. 

Theresa:
[00:09:48 - 00:09:54]
Ew. I bet it's another romantic date. Are they finally going to do it? Ew. He made a sex camp. 

Theresa:
[00:09:54 - 00:10:15]
So did they find condoms, or are they just going to pull out since they don't know how long they're going to be there and they don't want. It's a valid question. Why does Shannon always have a fresh face of makeup on? You know, it's super sweet that he made her this, but is she supposed to live alone in this place? Some live in the caves and some others live in the hatch. 

Theresa:
[00:10:16 - 00:10:22]
Also. Seriously, when are they so serious about each other? Oh, they deaf gumbone. Oh, awkward. They're back. 

Theresa:
[00:10:23 - 00:10:35]
And I love that Jen always talks to them, even though it's not easy to communicate. Wait, what? Kids are missing, man, whatever happened to them must have been real. Know, I was telling Hess earlier how messed it is. I remember some stuff, but not all. 

Theresa:
[00:10:35 - 00:10:48]
So I have no idea what's coming, where, and what's about to, um, like, why is said kind of a panty dropper, though. I'm surprised said doesn't think of the post coital snacks and bevvies. If he built her this thing, oh, hell no. Oh, what the fuck? No. 

Theresa:
[00:10:51 - 00:11:01]
Walt, go away. This is what nightmares are made of. K said you were literally gone for 10 seconds. And I'm sorry. No one's so good in bed that the person is essentially comatose afterward. 

Theresa:
[00:11:01 - 00:11:11]
She definitely saw something. Charlie, I'm going to need you to chill out. It's nice for helping and all, but she can make decisions for her own kid. Also, where the heck are the flashbacks in the episode? Whose are they? 

Theresa:
[00:11:12 - 00:11:18]
Even? Feels like we've been going on for a while already. Oh, look. Little dancers. Flashback to my little dancing days. 

Theresa:
[00:11:18 - 00:11:28]
Cute. Oh, Shannon's a dance. Um, I think that kid probably could have turned around to see her dad if she was paying attention. To see if her dad was paying attention. She didn't have to ask him. 

Theresa:
[00:11:28 - 00:11:33]
Or ask her. Well, pairs. Still a thing. Where are they? I'm so confused. 

Theresa:
[00:11:35 - 00:11:42]
Is this when her dad dies? Sad. Do people usually tell people about this stuff while walking briskly away from them? Come with me. Follow. 

Theresa:
[00:11:42 - 00:11:51]
Oh, yeah. He's dead. I guess this is where Jack learned his bedside manner. Also, the stepmother is rude. Sawyer, my friend, you don't look so good. 

Theresa:
[00:11:51 - 00:11:53]
Your shoulder kind of looks like raw meat. 

Amanda:
[00:11:55 - 00:11:55]
Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:11:56 - 00:12:02]
Libby's so sweet, though. She's a nice lady with nice bedside manner. Jack, take note. Oh, Hurley. Doomsday button. 

Theresa:
[00:12:02 - 00:12:11]
That's hilarious. I guess at this point, we all really don't know what that button's for. You know, Rose is the most logical. Like, she can't leave them roll. They'll all be screwed. 

Theresa:
[00:12:11 - 00:12:20]
Who's gonna be the stable and wise? A little weird that Michael and Walt's stuff and tent is still Theresa. Like, I get it. But it's also weird. Feel shiny. 

Theresa:
[00:12:21 - 00:12:31]
Okay, Shannon, good thinking. But also, I'm confused. Did we know that Vincent could do that? I sure as heck don't think my dog would do that for me. I want to know who carved Boone's name into the wood. 

Theresa:
[00:12:31 - 00:12:41]
That's pretty. Aw, thanks, Locke. You're such a sweet. Ah, Claire, you're a new mom. Don't even worry about whatever Charlie's saying. 

Theresa:
[00:12:41 - 00:12:47]
I like when Locke chuckles. He seems like a nice man. Not so intense. Oh, no. I forgot about that. 

Amanda:
[00:12:47 - 00:12:48]
Charlie. 

Theresa:
[00:12:48 - 00:12:57]
For why? What happened to our little moth? Where did it go wrong? Man, she had a lot of loss in one time and in pretty aggressive ways. And, wow, Boon is gorgeous. 

Theresa:
[00:12:57 - 00:13:06]
Yaoza. Do 18 year olds usually just drink scotch? I don't know. I didn't have scotch till I was well into my 20s. Will gum help the smell of booze. 

Theresa:
[00:13:06 - 00:13:14]
Did they drink enough? I thought Boone emptied that flask out. What's he drinking right now? Did we all know that she was a dancer? I don't remember. 

Theresa:
[00:13:14 - 00:13:27]
Man, Boone has fabulous eyes. But this family dynamic is so awkward. You know, the island's actually really pretty. If it wasn't so terrifying. Maybe we should get Sawyer a walking stick instead of, like, a knife. 

Theresa:
[00:13:27 - 00:13:41]
I don't know anything about trekking or what terrain looks like, but. All right. You do that echo. That's literally the world's largest week old baby. I'm pretty sure Locke smiles endearing when he's not being all crazy about his destiny. 

Theresa:
[00:13:41 - 00:13:58]
Oh, look, it's grandpa Locke. I think that baby's awake now. Is the baby still going to smell like cute baby smell if it doesn't have baby things? And he's surrounded with outside Bo and I don't know if we washed it out know, but okay. This is also the quickest postpartum body ever. 

Theresa:
[00:13:58 - 00:14:10]
You know, Charlie, just go away. You're too much. Oh, my God. What the hell happened to them out there that they're so afraid. Like, they talk all nuts and yell like crazy on the beach side, but the taillys are something else. 

Theresa:
[00:14:11 - 00:14:16]
You know, Michael, I'm actually with you. What the hell happened? Oh, my God. What? They took three and then nine. 

Theresa:
[00:14:16 - 00:14:23]
How do you take nine people? What the hell? Freaking next level for the tayes. No wonder she's so intense. And why they're so intense? 

Theresa:
[00:14:24 - 00:14:37]
They took a lot of things. Ks. But clearly people have lost a lot on this island, yo. Not just people, but, like, any safety, any relaxation, out of the question. I feel kind of bad sides trying. 

Theresa:
[00:14:37 - 00:14:46]
How old's Shannon supposed to be on this island? That bed behind Shannon looks so stiff. It's so square. Oh, yay. She got that thing in New York. 

Theresa:
[00:14:47 - 00:14:53]
Oh, now what? I like that she's rich and not living like some rich snob chick, though. That's nice. Oh, wait. What? 

Theresa:
[00:14:53 - 00:15:02]
You're not going to give your stepdaughter anything to help her out? This lady's rough. What a booge. Like, she's young, figuring stuff out. Give her a couple thousand if you're so rich. 

Theresa:
[00:15:02 - 00:15:11]
Or at least rent for the next. For the rest of the year. Even if she got a job tomorrow, she wouldn't be able to pay her rent. What the hell, Locke? Year two? 

Theresa:
[00:15:11 - 00:15:17]
I don't even know. You're not overstepping. The child's parent asks you to hold the baby. Nothing wrong with that at all. Is Charlie actually being serious right now. 

Theresa:
[00:15:18 - 00:15:22]
Is this real? I can't deal with it. Wow, Locke. Shots fired. Because. 

Theresa:
[00:15:22 - 00:15:33]
Exactly. F you. Charlie. You want to talk overstepping, it's you. There's a clear understanding in the slash psych relationship, and it's kind of endearing analysis. 

Theresa:
[00:15:33 - 00:15:48]
Please stop smiling when you speak, because it's super creepy. I love that there's such a sense of camaraderie between the Taylors and the rafties. I know Anna Lucia is trying to keep everyone together, but still, it's hard for Anna to let the new people in. I mean, I get it. It's tough. 

Theresa:
[00:15:49 - 00:16:06]
But I also got to pop Jack in here for a second. Live together, die alone. Like, there's a difference between leaving someone to die like Sawyer and having someone killed. And I think as much as Hanna, Lucia is making it seem like she doesn't care, she clearly does, because she's helping them move Sawyer up the dang hill. But also this hill, though. 

Theresa:
[00:16:07 - 00:16:22]
The things they got to do, they're a very resilient little group. Also, when one of their own is missing, she's gonna go off and find her, just like did for Mike. And then when she was talking to him, she was like, nah, leave him. See, she's not as badass as she tries to be. She actually cares. 

Theresa:
[00:16:22 - 00:16:34]
But also, like, where the hell is Cindy? She was legit right there. I saw her push his legs. Know, I swear, these others are, like, superhuman. We all remember Ethan's freak strength, silent footsteps, and, like, tank like qualities. 

Theresa:
[00:16:34 - 00:16:41]
I think I'm remembering the flying punch thing. Or was that Jack? But probably not. He's not that. Probably know. 

Theresa:
[00:16:41 - 00:16:50]
These whisperers are honestly next level. Seriously terrifying. I hate Bloom's hair here. I feel bad for Shannon. She must feel so betrayed by him. 

Theresa:
[00:16:50 - 00:17:01]
Poor Shannon. She's deaf. Had her share of just ish. Hey, you know, I think there's a difference between believing in someone and believing someone. I think he believes in you, but what you're saying is a little hard to process. 

Theresa:
[00:17:01 - 00:17:12]
It's sweet, though. This convo. It just seems like a little much that he loves her after maybe 15 minutes of airtime together, maybe last as long as their bones ish, if you know what I mean. I'm sorry. The whispering again. 

Theresa:
[00:17:12 - 00:17:13]
Now Walt. And he sees him, too. 

Amanda:
[00:17:14 - 00:17:14]
Or does he? 

Kip:
[00:17:14 - 00:17:15]
I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:17:15 - 00:17:19]
What did he snap out of? What's happening? Oh, shit. Right? Oh, my God. 

Theresa:
[00:17:19 - 00:17:25]
Right? What a horrible way to get back together. Also, why does Anna Lucia look so mad? Sayed's gonna fuck her up. Finn. 

Amanda:
[00:17:27 - 00:17:29]
Lots to unpack. 

Theresa:
[00:17:29 - 00:17:30]
Lots. 

Kip:
[00:17:30 - 00:17:37]
Okay, first of all, what is a panty dropper? You said Sayeed is a panty dropper. 

Theresa:
[00:17:37 - 00:17:37]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:17:38 - 00:17:39]
What is that? 

Theresa:
[00:17:39 - 00:17:43]
Take it away. Are you looking at me? You know what it is? 

Amanda:
[00:17:43 - 00:17:48]
I'm not saying why? It's just like when someone's really hot. 

Kip:
[00:17:48 - 00:17:57]
That you drop your panties real fast for them. I didn't know. 

Theresa:
[00:17:57 - 00:18:01]
It's just Amanda was looking at me like, are you going to? And I just felt like she should just explain. 

Kip:
[00:18:03 - 00:18:08]
Okay. Moyer, Michael and Sawyer. Psych. Sawyer, Mike. 

Theresa:
[00:18:08 - 00:18:09]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:18:09 - 00:18:09]
Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:18:09 - 00:18:10]
I like Moyer. 

Kip:
[00:18:11 - 00:18:13]
Yeah, psych doesn't really work that well. 

Theresa:
[00:18:13 - 00:18:16]
No, it doesn't. I like to give a couple options that we can choose. 

Kip:
[00:18:17 - 00:18:19]
And I think it was Jack who did the flying punch. 

Theresa:
[00:18:19 - 00:18:20]
Was it? 

Kip:
[00:18:20 - 00:18:21]
Pretty sure. 

Theresa:
[00:18:22 - 00:18:26]
Doesn't it seem, like, uncharacteristic of him, though? Doesn't it seem like even tanking it. 

Kip:
[00:18:26 - 00:18:29]
Out Theresa might not have been, but I thought it was. 

Theresa:
[00:18:29 - 00:18:30]
I have no idea. 

Kip:
[00:18:30 - 00:18:33]
Okay, well, thank you, Teresa. 

Theresa:
[00:18:33 - 00:18:34]
Thank you. 

Amanda:
[00:18:34 - 00:18:51]
I think it's really fucked up how awful Shannon's stepmom is. Like you said, the family dynamic is really screwed up. And that just reminded me of how she clearly offered Boone that job so that he would not be in New York if Shannon did find a way to get Theresa. 

Theresa:
[00:18:51 - 00:18:51]
Right. 

Amanda:
[00:18:51 - 00:18:52]
Like, fuck. 

Theresa:
[00:18:53 - 00:18:54]
She's twisted. 

Amanda:
[00:18:54 - 00:19:10]
She just doesn't want anyone to love Shannon more than her. It's gross. Shannon says at one point that Sabrina has resented her relationship with her dad. She clearly resents her relationship with Boone, too. What a psychopath. 

Kip:
[00:19:10 - 00:19:19]
Totally. Yeah, she is weird. Like we said, creators of the show. Major parental issues. There's no good parents, is there? 

Kip:
[00:19:19 - 00:19:23]
Besides Claire right now. But has there been. 

Amanda:
[00:19:27 - 00:19:27]
No. 

Kip:
[00:19:28 - 00:19:29]
Like, even Jack's mom was kind of psycho. 

Amanda:
[00:19:30 - 00:19:32]
Jack's mom was blaming him. 

Kip:
[00:19:32 - 00:19:33]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:19:34 - 00:19:36]
There's still a parental issue with. 

Kip:
[00:19:36 - 00:19:37]
We haven't seen Jen's dad yet. 

Theresa:
[00:19:37 - 00:19:40]
We did, do we not? 

Kip:
[00:19:40 - 00:19:42]
I don't. Pretty sure we did. 

Theresa:
[00:19:43 - 00:19:43]
No. 

Amanda:
[00:19:43 - 00:19:44]
The farmer guy. 

Theresa:
[00:19:45 - 00:19:45]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:19:45 - 00:19:47]
By farmer, I mean fish fisherman. 

Theresa:
[00:19:47 - 00:19:48]
Did we not? 

Kip:
[00:19:48 - 00:19:57]
Maybe. I feel like. No, there's only been two sun engine episodes. I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:19:57 - 00:20:01]
No, he goes back in the first. 

Kip:
[00:20:01 - 00:20:06]
Right, right. Because that was closer to when. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. He was a good guy. 

Theresa:
[00:20:06 - 00:20:08]
He was just, like, very sweet. 

Amanda:
[00:20:08 - 00:20:14]
But there's still a strained relationship there. I think the theme is strained parental children, relationships. 

Theresa:
[00:20:14 - 00:20:21]
Yeah, totally. Mostly the question was, are there good parents? Yeah, he's a good parent. 

Amanda:
[00:20:21 - 00:20:22]
Yeah, he seems okay. 

Theresa:
[00:20:22 - 00:20:23]
Just because they have a strained relationship. 

Amanda:
[00:20:24 - 00:20:36]
No, but I'm just saying I'm reading perspective. Perspective. I'm just thinking about it because I'm like, yeah, that was a good one. But it still wasn't perfect. 

Kip:
[00:20:36 - 00:20:37]
Perfect. 

Theresa:
[00:20:37 - 00:20:39]
But there's no such thing as a perfect relationship. 

Kip:
[00:20:39 - 00:20:41]
But these are in movies and tv shows. There is. 

Theresa:
[00:20:41 - 00:20:42]
Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:20:42 - 00:20:53]
And Claire has her momentum even then. Right? Like he's saying she doesn't kind of know what she's doing, and we're jumping all around. But I hated when Charlie was, you know, she was going to give it up for adoption. 

Theresa:
[00:20:53 - 00:20:53]
Right. 

Amanda:
[00:20:53 - 00:20:54]
It's like, what does that mean to. 

Kip:
[00:20:55 - 00:20:59]
Say, yeah, she's not now. Oh, I hated him in this episode. 

Theresa:
[00:20:59 - 00:21:00]
Oh, he was terrible. 

Kip:
[00:21:00 - 00:21:03]
Yeah. But I feel like I say that every episode. Charlie talks. 

Theresa:
[00:21:04 - 00:21:12]
I think it's because Charlie, in the beginning, he was kind of very sweet and kind of endearing, and he was like, here's this peanut butter jar. 

Amanda:
[00:21:12 - 00:21:14]
But now he's controlling. 

Theresa:
[00:21:14 - 00:21:16]
Then he's just like a real Jonah. 

Amanda:
[00:21:16 - 00:21:18]
Hill energy, if you know what I mean. 

Kip:
[00:21:19 - 00:21:22]
I do not. I just read an article about apparently. 

Amanda:
[00:21:22 - 00:21:24]
He'S a very emotionally abusive, controlling partner. 

Theresa:
[00:21:24 - 00:21:24]
Oh, God. 

Amanda:
[00:21:24 - 00:21:28]
It's really actually scary. You just can't trust anyone in Hollywood. 

Kip:
[00:21:29 - 00:21:30]
Or on the island. 

Theresa:
[00:21:30 - 00:21:31]
Yeah, I was going to say. 

Amanda:
[00:21:31 - 00:21:36]
I'm just saying it's kind of the same idea that he's trying to isolate her from people. 

Kip:
[00:21:37 - 00:21:38]
Charlie. 

Amanda:
[00:21:38 - 00:21:44]
Yeah. The reason I made the comparison is because. 

Theresa:
[00:21:44 - 00:21:46]
Let's get back on that. 

Amanda:
[00:21:46 - 00:21:48]
Charlie's trying to do that a little bit with. 

Theresa:
[00:21:48 - 00:21:48]
Oh, absolutely. 

Kip:
[00:21:49 - 00:21:49]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:21:49 - 00:22:00]
I'm so jealous. Okay. We're so all over the place. But the way that Charlie talks to Locke, considering how Much Locke has helped him, is offensive. 

Kip:
[00:22:01 - 00:22:02]
Yeah. So bad. 

Theresa:
[00:22:02 - 00:22:09]
How dare. Like, the fact that Locke even felt like he needed to say anything is, like, gross. 

Amanda:
[00:22:09 - 00:22:25]
That I think that Charlie or Locke was just trying to take the temperature of the Charlie situation now that he knows he has the heroin. And I think that's kind of why he was pushing me a little bit, too. Like, he's being nice. And then when he said that thing about how that's an interesting thing for a heroin addict to say. 

Kip:
[00:22:25 - 00:22:26]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:22:26 - 00:22:31]
And then recovering, he's like, oh, yes, recovering. I think he wants to remind him. I know about you. 

Kip:
[00:22:31 - 00:22:32]
Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:22:32 - 00:22:38]
So watch yourself, especially if you're going to be around that baby. And I actually kind of like the locks. Hebi and I on it. 

Kip:
[00:22:38 - 00:22:40]
I did too. I like that moment. It was really good. 

Amanda:
[00:22:41 - 00:22:51]
But also, Charlie, she needs to learn responsibility and stuff. You're not her husband. You're not her dad. You're not her brother. Get the hell out of her face. 

Kip:
[00:22:51 - 00:22:56]
Yeah. I hated that awful condescend. Right. 

Amanda:
[00:22:56 - 00:22:58]
Children in Charlie's history. 

Theresa:
[00:22:58 - 00:23:11]
No, that's not his. He has no say. No, you're someone he has met 48 days ago. Yeah, I'm sorry. You do not get to be like, oh, I was going to give him to me because you're going to go on your walk. 

Theresa:
[00:23:11 - 00:23:13]
Like, don't lock. Can't hold him. Like, what? 

Kip:
[00:23:13 - 00:23:29]
Yeah. It was so weird. Such a very bizarre dynamic. Equally bizarre was I agree with what you were saying in your stream about they've been together so little and it's like this weird, super romantic. 

Theresa:
[00:23:29 - 00:23:30]
They love each other. 

Kip:
[00:23:30 - 00:23:34]
Yeah, I know. Love. Do they, though? Like, they love each other. That's so bizarre. 

Theresa:
[00:23:34 - 00:23:38]
It is bizarre. I literally can count on one hand how many scenes they've had together. 

Amanda:
[00:23:38 - 00:23:43]
I mean, there is something we said for trauma bonding and accelerating. 

Kip:
[00:23:43 - 00:23:49]
There is. But at the same time, it's just like. She's so annoying. 

Theresa:
[00:23:49 - 00:23:49]
Yes. 

Kip:
[00:23:49 - 00:23:54]
Unbelievably different from Nadia, who was apparently his true love. 

Amanda:
[00:23:54 - 00:23:55]
I know. 

Theresa:
[00:23:56 - 00:24:05]
And didn't he get a picture of her relatively recently on the island? He had one, like, staring at it now. You're like, I love you. It's like, whoa. 

Kip:
[00:24:05 - 00:24:06]
I know. 

Theresa:
[00:24:06 - 00:24:06]
Whoa. 

Kip:
[00:24:06 - 00:24:07]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:24:07 - 00:24:09]
He does say at the end that he will never leave her. 

Theresa:
[00:24:11 - 00:24:17]
I also think it's like a little. I think we need to calm our feelings down a little bit. We need to settle. 

Kip:
[00:24:18 - 00:24:27]
Was. I also kind of thought so. Cool you've built this love shack around the corner. Is this just Shannon's place now? All by herself? 

Kip:
[00:24:27 - 00:24:31]
Off. How creepy. You're going to live out around the corner where no one can see you. 

Theresa:
[00:24:31 - 00:24:33]
That's what I really. I'm going to be back. I'm going to go. 

Amanda:
[00:24:33 - 00:24:37]
I think they should use it as a rotating sex shack for people and. 

Theresa:
[00:24:37 - 00:24:39]
They can't sanitise in there. 

Kip:
[00:24:39 - 00:24:40]
Well, they're on an island. 

Amanda:
[00:24:40 - 00:24:42]
They don't care about sanitising. 

Kip:
[00:24:42 - 00:24:45]
No, I can't. 

Theresa:
[00:24:45 - 00:24:50]
I don't want to be sleeping in someone else's. What? Sex tent. 

Amanda:
[00:24:51 - 00:24:57]
It was very romantic. But it's a little hard to buy. Right? 

Kip:
[00:24:57 - 00:24:57]
Yeah, exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:24:57 - 00:25:00]
Especially because. When's the last time you saw them together? 

Amanda:
[00:25:01 - 00:25:04]
I know. And weren't they mad at each other last time? I don't even know. 

Kip:
[00:25:04 - 00:25:04]
Always. 

Theresa:
[00:25:04 - 00:25:13]
Right. When you add all these things together, I'm pretty sure if I put all of their clips together, you still wouldn't believe that they would be. No, it's not in a relationship. 

Kip:
[00:25:13 - 00:25:28]
So what do you think of when Walt appeared in the tent. Besides, it was creepy. Yeah, but do you think it was actually Walt in that? No, no, I mean, the backwards whispering didn't. 

Theresa:
[00:25:28 - 00:25:28]
Yeah, and. 

Kip:
[00:25:31 - 00:25:33]
I think I have, so. 

Theresa:
[00:25:34 - 00:25:35]
I just don't like how he's always wet. 

Amanda:
[00:25:36 - 00:25:38]
Well, that's supposed to be. 

Theresa:
[00:25:38 - 00:25:41]
No, I know, but it just makes it more unsettling that there's a number. 

Kip:
[00:25:41 - 00:25:54]
Unsettling? No, in finding lost, the unofficial guide. They have the whisper transcripts from when the Taylors are in the forest, which is really creepy. I'll read it later. 

Amanda:
[00:25:54 - 00:25:55]
The one at the. 

Kip:
[00:25:57 - 00:25:58]
Ooh, it's really creepy. 

Amanda:
[00:25:58 - 00:26:05]
I cannot. I don't. The thing is, I don't believe her either. 

Kip:
[00:26:06 - 00:26:07]
You don't believe Shannon? 

Amanda:
[00:26:07 - 00:26:14]
Well, if you don't already know, then I do find it weird that he's just there and not a figment of her imagination. 

Theresa:
[00:26:17 - 00:26:28]
Okay. Apparently he says, according to the lostopedia on Fandom.com, he says, they're coming and they're close. 

Kip:
[00:26:28 - 00:26:29]
Oh. 

Theresa:
[00:26:31 - 00:26:34]
I don't like that. I don't like that either. 

Kip:
[00:26:34 - 00:26:36]
He could be talking about the taillies. 

Theresa:
[00:26:37 - 00:26:41]
Yeah, they're speaking backwards. 

Amanda:
[00:26:42 - 00:26:44]
Why is it backwards? 

Theresa:
[00:26:49 - 00:27:05]
I don't like that at all. No, thank you. Absolutely not. Yeah, he could be talking about anything, but it's so creepy. It is, because she's, like, basking in the whatever of their love making, and then she goes. 

Theresa:
[00:27:05 - 00:27:07]
Light goes out, and then. 

Kip:
[00:27:08 - 00:27:10]
Yeah, and then he's like, I was. 

Theresa:
[00:27:10 - 00:27:17]
Gone for a few moments. A few moments? We were all watching. It was maybe 10 seconds at most. 

Kip:
[00:27:17 - 00:27:18]
Well, how long? The moment. 

Theresa:
[00:27:19 - 00:27:21]
Well, I mean, we witnessed. 

Kip:
[00:27:21 - 00:27:23]
Is a moment the same as a second? 

Theresa:
[00:27:23 - 00:27:32]
Well, no, a moment is just a span of time. But why did say he kind of made it sound like he was gone for, like, a longer than a few seconds. 

Kip:
[00:27:33 - 00:27:36]
I took it as he was saying, I wasn't gone that long. 

Theresa:
[00:27:37 - 00:27:51]
Oh, I thought you were saying I was gone a while. So maybe you fell asleep because there's no way she falls asleep instantly. No, that's why when he's like, you had a nightmare. I don't know. I mean, you fall asleep pretty quickly, but it's not like wide awake. 

Kip:
[00:27:51 - 00:27:55]
I'd like to submit to the court. 

Theresa:
[00:27:55 - 00:27:56]
Oh, God. 

Kip:
[00:27:56 - 00:28:00]
Theresa, in the backseat of any vehicle, she falls asleep instantly. 

Amanda:
[00:28:01 - 00:28:10]
I mean, it is sad that she didn't know that a swaddle would help. Don't get me wrong. I think Claire needs assistance. But are there no one else? I guess there's not really parents. 

Theresa:
[00:28:10 - 00:28:12]
We don't know that. 

Kip:
[00:28:12 - 00:28:30]
Technically, no, but, I mean, you'd think someone who had kids would come up and be like, if they were there. So maybe they just. There aren't any. But really, I mean, Charlie, like, could anybody other than Charlie help her, give her any advice or surely people know something. 

Theresa:
[00:28:30 - 00:28:43]
I think that's what's like. I mean, she does kind of mention while she's pregnant that people are staying away from her. So I'm wondering if that's what it is. No one wants to bear that burden of a six day old baby. 

Amanda:
[00:28:43 - 00:28:47]
It's something that Charlie wants to help, but he shouldn't be taking so much control. 

Theresa:
[00:28:47 - 00:29:00]
No, not at all. He's such a dick about it. He's so condescending. Like she's some kind of idiot who doesn't have any kind of maternal instinct. Yeah, she wanted to give it up and then she changed her mind. 

Theresa:
[00:29:00 - 00:29:01]
Who cares? 

Kip:
[00:29:01 - 00:29:02]
Exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:29:02 - 00:29:06]
You weren't there for the whole time that she was pregnant. 

Kip:
[00:29:06 - 00:29:09]
Who says that? That is just such a rude. 

Amanda:
[00:29:09 - 00:29:11]
It's also kind of private, right? 

Theresa:
[00:29:11 - 00:29:12]
Yeah, absolutely. 

Kip:
[00:29:12 - 00:29:15]
He just throws it out there because it's awful. 

Theresa:
[00:29:15 - 00:29:21]
He makes her sound like she's unfit to be a parent. And what makes you so fucking knowledgeable? 

Kip:
[00:29:21 - 00:29:22]
Exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:29:22 - 00:29:26]
You don't even know her, really, honestly. 

Amanda:
[00:29:26 - 00:29:34]
I do agree also that the flashbacks come very late. And I was also like, whose episode is this? 

Kip:
[00:29:34 - 00:29:40]
So I wonder if. Because they cut two flashback scenes, if maybe that's why they. 

Theresa:
[00:29:40 - 00:29:41]
Oh, yeah. 

Kip:
[00:29:41 - 00:29:42]
Although these wouldn't be. 

Amanda:
[00:29:42 - 00:29:43]
Well, they could have pushed them all back. 

Kip:
[00:29:44 - 00:29:45]
That's true. Yeah, they must have. 

Amanda:
[00:29:45 - 00:29:46]
That makes sense, actually. 

Kip:
[00:29:47 - 00:30:04]
Yeah. The flashbacks were good in the sense that you kind of started to for once, the first time, the show feel for Shannon a little bit. Like they gave her a bit of depth. They gave her some actual character development. 

Amanda:
[00:30:04 - 00:30:15]
Yeah. I mean, they do for agree, but. And I love it. It just sucks because, and I said this kind of, at the end, this is the first episode where I actually feel something for Shannon and then they kill her. 

Kip:
[00:30:15 - 00:30:15]
I know. 

Amanda:
[00:30:15 - 00:30:23]
And I guess maybe the purpose of that is so you feel something when she dies. So it's not just like, okay, whatever. The useless character died. 

Kip:
[00:30:23 - 00:30:46]
Yeah, but I actually forgot it was this quick into season two. I thought there was a bit more because it would have been even more meaningful if we had like that. And then you see her kind of grow even one or two more episodes because after you start to be like, actually, Shannon isn't that bad. You can kind of see why she's the way she is. So you start to empathise with her a little bit and then it happens, but then it's like, it's so fast. 

Kip:
[00:30:46 - 00:30:47]
In your face. 

Theresa:
[00:30:47 - 00:30:55]
Yeah. And we did spend the bulk of season one hating her, and then she's barely in the episodes now. 

Kip:
[00:30:55 - 00:30:55]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:30:57 - 00:31:07]
I always feel like the flashbacks are supposed to be telling us something about character development, and then there is no character development. She's come as far as she's going to. 

Theresa:
[00:31:07 - 00:31:08]
Right. 

Amanda:
[00:31:08 - 00:31:12]
And we don't really need to know anything about her background because we don't need to know her anymore. 

Kip:
[00:31:12 - 00:31:13]
Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:31:13 - 00:31:21]
Right. So I found that a little bit weird. And I do think that it was just kind of like. They're like, oh, shit, we're going to kill her off. 

Kip:
[00:31:21 - 00:31:23]
Yeah, let's give her some. 

Amanda:
[00:31:23 - 00:31:24]
No one likes her. 

Kip:
[00:31:24 - 00:31:25]
Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:31:25 - 00:31:29]
So no one's going to, like, this isn't going to resonate with anyone unless we show that she's actually a human. 

Theresa:
[00:31:30 - 00:31:50]
Yeah, I think you're right. It just kind of sucks because I think that if we had had some glimpses of. Because she just kind of seems kind of nuts in the flashback in season one where she's just like. And you're like, okay. And then she's sleeping with her brother and whatnot, and she's just screaming and brother. 

Kip:
[00:31:50 - 00:32:02]
Well, that's the first episode. But no one forgets or forgives that scream. Like, no one. No, it's the first episode within, like, 10 seconds of the only thing I. 

Amanda:
[00:32:02 - 00:32:04]
Remember is light sticks. 

Kip:
[00:32:04 - 00:32:09]
Light sticks? Yes, light sticks. 

Amanda:
[00:32:09 - 00:32:10]
What's light sticks? 

Theresa:
[00:32:10 - 00:32:16]
No. And then she was, like, tanning and. Yeah, she was just so unlikable. 

Amanda:
[00:32:16 - 00:32:33]
It just sucks because I think what we're supposed to understand, and again, it sucks that we learn all this and feel all this and then she's gone. But again, it's a catch 22 because then I'm also like, yeah, but I feel something for her being gone because they did it. But I think we're supposed to kind of see that this whole bratty thing that she does. 

Theresa:
[00:32:33 - 00:32:34]
Yeah, she was maybe always a little. 

Amanda:
[00:32:34 - 00:32:55]
Bit spoiled, always a little bit whatever. But like Teresa pointed out, she was rich, but living in this kind of small apartment, applying to internships she clearly loves, like, so she was maybe a bit spoiled or a bit lazy the way that all rich people are kind of a little bit entitled. But I really think it's like how Sabrina treated her, forced her more into that. 

Theresa:
[00:32:55 - 00:32:55]
Oh, I agree. 

Kip:
[00:32:55 - 00:33:10]
I think so. Like, after her dad died and she got nothing from Sabrina, she kind of went another way. Like, she took that pair job and then just became that sort of bratty character. That. 

Theresa:
[00:33:10 - 00:33:15]
Yeah, exactly. And I just think it's too bad because I think they actually could have done a lot more with her. 

Kip:
[00:33:15 - 00:33:16]
Oh, yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:33:16 - 00:33:34]
Especially if they're going to play up this whole side. And her being in love, we could have had a lot more development in their relationship. Like him helping her through her grief, because obviously, he's very familiar with loss. Right. Maybe helping her through that in an isolated area, have them get close that way. 

Kip:
[00:33:34 - 00:33:37]
They didn't even do that, really. 

Theresa:
[00:33:37 - 00:33:39]
No, she was very much, like, alone. 

Kip:
[00:33:40 - 00:33:47]
I kind of forgot they were together, or quote unquote together. She's been alone since. 

Theresa:
[00:33:47 - 00:33:48]
It's just her and the dog. 

Kip:
[00:33:48 - 00:33:49]
Yeah, that's right. 

Theresa:
[00:33:49 - 00:34:05]
And then, like, snippets of her in the background are like, she found the bottle with, like, Claire, and that's it. They definitely wasted a lot of what they could have done with that character. And then to have it kind of sum up the swagger. Right. Like, you don't really learn anything about. 

Theresa:
[00:34:06 - 00:34:08]
There's no character development because it's. 

Amanda:
[00:34:08 - 00:34:21]
We learn about her, but almost, like, too late. We're like, okay, we learned about what makes Shannon tick. Let's see how that changes. But all we really get is seeing her break down to said at the end, like, no one ever believes in me. No one, ever. 

Amanda:
[00:34:21 - 00:34:37]
You're going to leave like everyone else. And that was really hard to watch and very sad, but it would be kind of nice to be like, okay, she's having that moment, that breakthrough where she's admitting what her insecurities come from, admitting what she's afraid of now. She has said, what can she be? 

Kip:
[00:34:37 - 00:34:38]
Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:34:38 - 00:34:45]
What is she capable of? Because she's, like you said, trying. She's taking care of Vincent. She's like, I got to find Walt. He's out there by himself. 

Amanda:
[00:34:45 - 00:34:53]
She clearly wants to do this, is a girl who was forced to translate the French at the beginning, and now she's chasing after someone alone in the forest. 

Kip:
[00:34:53 - 00:34:53]
Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:34:54 - 00:35:04]
She clearly can. And I think that breakthrough of, like, no one loves me, everyone leaves me. And having someone care for her and show her she's wrong, it would have been nice to see it. And instead of growth. 

Kip:
[00:35:04 - 00:35:04]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:35:04 - 00:35:10]
Instead she gets shot, which, again, I think is a good literary device. 

Theresa:
[00:35:10 - 00:35:25]
Yeah. I also think it would have been nice if we had seen more of these insecurity issues in the first set of flashbacks, just because it just seems like a lot in one episode. You're just kind of being, like, hit over the head with it. 

Amanda:
[00:35:27 - 00:35:29]
But I think that was more of a boon episode. 

Theresa:
[00:35:30 - 00:35:58]
I know, but because it just feels, like, so much. And then having her breakdown, the flashbacks were so late into the episode that it feels, like, very condensed, and it's like, oh. And then it's like, nobody loves me, nobody believes me, blah, blah. But it just seemed, like, kind of a lot for her, considering we haven't seen her for so long. We don't know enough, and now we know almost too much in a short amount of time. 

Kip:
[00:36:00 - 00:36:06]
Yeah, she got the short end of that stick, this episode. What were the Tayleys up to? 

Amanda:
[00:36:06 - 00:36:08]
Trekking, trying to keep Sawyer alive. 

Kip:
[00:36:09 - 00:36:13]
Right. Then they build that stretcher. 

Amanda:
[00:36:15 - 00:36:20]
But I think it's kind of cute when they first start there and Michael comes back and Sawyer's like, oh, yeah. 

Kip:
[00:36:21 - 00:36:22]
He ain't my friend. 

Amanda:
[00:36:22 - 00:36:33]
I wasn't going to help him or whatever. That has nothing to do with me. And he's like, good to know, or whatever. And you can see that Sora's, like, actually kind of seems happy to see him. But there's that guilty shame part, too. 

Amanda:
[00:36:33 - 00:36:33]
Right? 

Kip:
[00:36:33 - 00:36:33]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:36:33 - 00:36:37]
You can tell he feels bad that he heard that and that he said it, and I'm like, oh. 

Amanda:
[00:36:37 - 00:36:41]
And then we find out later that he clearly feels bad that he left him behind. Right? 

Kip:
[00:36:41 - 00:36:42]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:36:43 - 00:36:45]
But I'm confused. I know. 

Theresa:
[00:36:45 - 00:36:49]
We just watched last week's episode, like, an hour ago. 

Amanda:
[00:36:49 - 00:36:58]
Did Michael and Jin and Echo agree that Michael was coming back with them? I thought that Jin was kind of, like, go find Walt. 

Kip:
[00:36:58 - 00:36:59]
I thought so, too. 

Amanda:
[00:36:59 - 00:37:01]
And I thought he was going to go off by himself again. 

Kip:
[00:37:02 - 00:37:04]
I did, too. That was the take. 

Theresa:
[00:37:04 - 00:37:06]
I thought they were coming back together. 

Amanda:
[00:37:06 - 00:37:06]
Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:37:06 - 00:37:09]
Because didn't Michael pass them and then they followed him. 

Amanda:
[00:37:10 - 00:37:11]
Yeah, but I thought the way the. 

Kip:
[00:37:11 - 00:37:23]
Words were of their discussion, it sounded like Jen was kind of, like, coming to terms with, okay, Michael going off on your own, you're going to go off on your own. I can respect that. 

Theresa:
[00:37:23 - 00:37:30]
Oh, I thought it was a, like, you will find him. So, like, just come. 

Amanda:
[00:37:35 - 00:37:38]
That. I found that confusing. But I'm glad they're all back together. 

Kip:
[00:37:38 - 00:37:38]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:37:39 - 00:37:43]
Annalucia is a psycho, but we do get to hear why eventually. 

Theresa:
[00:37:43 - 00:37:44]
Terrifying. 

Kip:
[00:37:44 - 00:37:46]
Yeah. Their story. Oh, my God. 

Theresa:
[00:37:46 - 00:38:05]
It's no wonder they're so. Because you can feel the tension and the panic anytime they're just on the outside and we're not going in the jungle. We can't. And her getting so snappy about them even talking. Because we remember Kate running through the woods being like, Jack, Jack. 

Theresa:
[00:38:05 - 00:38:19]
And everybody's screaming all the time. Michael has screamed Walt about a thousand times in the woods, and he is fine. So the fact that they couldn't even talk, and she was so angry about it. I'm like, I don't understand what's happening. 

Kip:
[00:38:19 - 00:38:20]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:38:21 - 00:38:32]
So it's like it started with three of us. Two weeks later, they took nine. What do you mean they took nine? How do you just take nine people at once? Terrifying. 

Amanda:
[00:38:32 - 00:38:47]
Well, you're kind of trekking through the forest. Sawyer is getting increasingly. And then they make the stretcher, which Kip must have feelings of. Because you said, is this the one where they melt that stretcher? Where'd they get all the rope? 

Amanda:
[00:38:47 - 00:38:48]
That's my question. 

Kip:
[00:38:48 - 00:38:53]
The rope. And it's like, clear. That would have taken days to make. 

Theresa:
[00:38:53 - 00:38:54]
Not days. 

Kip:
[00:38:54 - 00:38:55]
Days. 

Amanda:
[00:38:55 - 00:38:57]
You haven't watched enough survivor. 

Kip:
[00:38:57 - 00:39:00]
Survivor is not real. Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:39:02 - 00:39:04]
Don't look at me to break this. 

Kip:
[00:39:04 - 00:39:10]
It's not. How many stretchers do they make on survivor? 

Amanda:
[00:39:10 - 00:39:11]
They make shelter. 

Theresa:
[00:39:12 - 00:39:13]
It's like on the ground. 

Amanda:
[00:39:13 - 00:39:17]
It's like on the ground. One time it was literally this bamboo laid on the ground. 

Kip:
[00:39:17 - 00:39:18]
All I'm saying is. 

Theresa:
[00:39:18 - 00:39:19]
No, I agree. It would have taken. 

Kip:
[00:39:19 - 00:39:24]
Stretcher is so ridiculously complex and amazing. 

Amanda:
[00:39:24 - 00:39:27]
I know that they can get him up like a ravine. 

Kip:
[00:39:27 - 00:39:49]
Yeah. And I wish during production somebody would have been like, maybe let's just make it a bit more realistic. Like, grab some sticks, bamboo that's fallen or whatever, and just make it something that looks a little bit more, like, hastily made. But it's just like every. Yeah, I find that is one thing about lost. 

Kip:
[00:39:50 - 00:39:56]
Everything created in the jungle is, like this amazing thing. Like, they've lived their entire life and they have all these skills of. 

Theresa:
[00:39:57 - 00:39:58]
They're all craftsmen. 

Amanda:
[00:39:58 - 00:40:00]
Like, they have a professor from Gilligan's island with them. 

Kip:
[00:40:00 - 00:40:00]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:40:00 - 00:40:02]
Never saw that. Is it a show? 

Amanda:
[00:40:02 - 00:40:03]
Gilligan's island? 

Kip:
[00:40:03 - 00:40:04]
Absolutely a show. 

Theresa:
[00:40:04 - 00:40:04]
Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:40:05 - 00:40:06]
You've never heard of Gilligan's island? 

Kip:
[00:40:06 - 00:40:07]
I've never heard of it. 

Theresa:
[00:40:07 - 00:40:09]
I didn't know if it was a show or. 

Amanda:
[00:40:09 - 00:40:11]
Oh, that makes more sense. 

Theresa:
[00:40:11 - 00:40:14]
Okay. Yeah. So it's not rope, right? 

Kip:
[00:40:15 - 00:40:17]
No, it's like vines and stuff. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:40:17 - 00:40:22]
But you're right. This would take a few hours for sure. 

Kip:
[00:40:22 - 00:40:23]
More than that. 

Theresa:
[00:40:24 - 00:40:29]
I think the worst part about it is Ana Lucy is like, we can't wait here. 

Kip:
[00:40:29 - 00:40:30]
Can I say it again? 

Theresa:
[00:40:30 - 00:40:36]
We can't wait here. The few seconds to regain consciousness. We're going to carry him, but let's build that first. 

Kip:
[00:40:37 - 00:40:39]
The amount of nodding in this, it's. 

Theresa:
[00:40:39 - 00:40:40]
Actually kind of ridiculous. 

Kip:
[00:40:41 - 00:40:42]
It's stupid. 

Theresa:
[00:40:43 - 00:40:48]
At that point, he would have woken up. You know what? Like, it's. It's just a little much. 

Amanda:
[00:40:49 - 00:40:56]
Yeah. And I like how she's like, we're not going to push this ravine. 

Kip:
[00:40:56 - 00:41:03]
How many freaking hours were you just standing there with your arms crossed, Annalucia, watching them build this raft? No, not raft. 

Theresa:
[00:41:03 - 00:41:04]
I skimmed. 

Amanda:
[00:41:06 - 00:41:11]
That's their journey. And clearly, the thing is, Anna Lucia is amped up by the time they get Theresa. Right? 

Kip:
[00:41:11 - 00:41:11]
Very amped. 

Amanda:
[00:41:11 - 00:41:15]
Well, she's pissy. She's had to tell them the story. They lost Cindy. 

Kip:
[00:41:15 - 00:41:16]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:41:16 - 00:41:19]
Which is terrifying, because literally seconds before. 

Amanda:
[00:41:19 - 00:41:21]
You see her go, they're passing up the thing. 

Theresa:
[00:41:21 - 00:41:22]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:41:22 - 00:41:27]
She was the last person. And they just ripped her away silently. 

Amanda:
[00:41:27 - 00:41:29]
Yeah, it's creepy. 

Theresa:
[00:41:30 - 00:41:31]
The others really make me uncomfortable. 

Amanda:
[00:41:31 - 00:41:34]
And it just set up, like, exactly why Annalucia is on edge. 

Kip:
[00:41:34 - 00:41:36]
And let me read you the whispers now. 

Amanda:
[00:41:36 - 00:41:37]
Oh, no. 

Theresa:
[00:41:37 - 00:41:38]
Can you do it in, like, a whisper, though? 

Kip:
[00:41:38 - 00:41:39]
No. 

Theresa:
[00:41:39 - 00:41:40]
Okay. 

Kip:
[00:41:40 - 00:41:45]
Who's this in the woods? Sawyer. Anna. I'm in someone's dream. Eckweisnikt. 

Kip:
[00:41:45 - 00:41:50]
German for I don't know. She's heavy. Blackrock. Bring the boy. I'm in someone's dream. 

Kip:
[00:41:51 - 00:41:56]
Look in the eyes. Right. Do you see her? It's the brothers that help us. I can see eye to eye. 

Kip:
[00:41:57 - 00:42:03]
Sawyer. Did she see? Bossy, eh, missy? I'm in someone's dream. I know it all. 

Kip:
[00:42:03 - 00:42:08]
I know it all. It's the eye. Face. I can see eye to eye. I'm in someone's dream. 

Kip:
[00:42:08 - 00:42:12]
I know it all. I know it all. Do you see her? I can see. And then it goes on. 

Kip:
[00:42:13 - 00:42:20]
I know it all, I know it all. Do you see her? I can see eye to eye. Did she see Shannon? Hide behind me? 

Kip:
[00:42:20 - 00:42:24]
Bossy, eh? Missy? I'm in someone's dream. I know it all. Under the eye. 

Kip:
[00:42:24 - 00:42:33]
It's the eyes. She's bossy. The whispering starts in the jungle as Shannon, Sayid Seawald. And continues as Shannon runs toward Annalusia. And then they. 

Kip:
[00:42:33 - 00:42:42]
Relax, dude. She likes the guy. She's coming. I don't know if I can run, but I can or can't yell. Shannon sighs. 

Kip:
[00:42:43 - 00:42:49]
Dying sucks. Hurry up. She likes that guy. Dying sucks. That's his sis. 

Kip:
[00:42:49 - 00:42:53]
Here she comes. Here she comes. His mouth. She drives me crazy. Hurry up. 

Kip:
[00:42:53 - 00:42:56]
I see. Eye to eye. I see. Relax, dude. She likes the guy. 

Kip:
[00:42:56 - 00:43:01]
What do you think we should do? She's coming. We should hide. We should run. See ya. 

Kip:
[00:43:01 - 00:43:02]
Hide the scope. Hurry up. 

Theresa:
[00:43:03 - 00:43:06]
No. And that was the end of our podcast. 

Amanda:
[00:43:06 - 00:43:08]
Creepy, weird. 

Theresa:
[00:43:08 - 00:43:10]
The I'm in someone's dream. 

Kip:
[00:43:10 - 00:43:13]
Yeah, that's fucked up. And over and over again. 

Amanda:
[00:43:18 - 00:43:27]
Oh, you guys know now you're both going to be in my dream tonight. Thank you. Thank you for the nightmares. Yeah. I mean, it's creepy. 

Amanda:
[00:43:27 - 00:43:28]
It has the right effect. 

Kip:
[00:43:28 - 00:43:37]
Right? Because you're right. It amps them all up. It puts them in the zone where they don't know what's coming from. They're literally, like, looking in circles, all freaked out because they think they're probably going to get attacked. 

Kip:
[00:43:37 - 00:43:45]
And then, yeah, someone comes running up to them that's a stranger to Annalisea. So I don't think she was wrong, necessarily. 

Amanda:
[00:43:45 - 00:43:47]
No, I think it was an accident. 

Kip:
[00:43:47 - 00:43:48]
Absolutely, it was an accident. 

Amanda:
[00:43:49 - 00:43:56]
She just had Cindy taken. So it's like they're on that edge of someone being around, and she panicked. And I don't blame her for that. 

Kip:
[00:43:56 - 00:43:56]
No, me. 

Amanda:
[00:43:57 - 00:44:02]
You know, I'm honestly surprised they haven't killed each other. More like the people on this island. 

Kip:
[00:44:02 - 00:44:03]
Yeah, totally. 

Theresa:
[00:44:03 - 00:44:05]
Well, Jack has all the guns. 

Kip:
[00:44:05 - 00:44:08]
Except for Syed and Sawyer. He had one, too. 

Theresa:
[00:44:09 - 00:44:13]
But Syed's more like. He's like, I will give him another. 

Kip:
[00:44:14 - 00:44:14]
What? 

Amanda:
[00:44:14 - 00:44:16]
Sayed probably doesn't need that. 

Theresa:
[00:44:16 - 00:44:17]
Remember when he shoved. 

Kip:
[00:44:18 - 00:44:19]
Tortured? 

Theresa:
[00:44:19 - 00:44:20]
My God. 

Kip:
[00:44:22 - 00:44:24]
He's not going to shoot bamboo sticks. 

Theresa:
[00:44:24 - 00:44:39]
But can you imagine Sayyid just being like, no. And then just tying someone to a tree and just being like, I'm going to slowly put bamboo sticks under your eyelid. I don't know. Nothing is overdone. 

Kip:
[00:44:41 - 00:44:42]
Toenails. 

Theresa:
[00:44:45 - 00:44:46]
I don't like that. 

Amanda:
[00:44:46 - 00:44:49]
Anyway, poor Shannon. 

Kip:
[00:44:50 - 00:44:54]
Yeah. Shannon's dead, so she got shot. Sayed's very upset. 

Amanda:
[00:44:54 - 00:44:55]
Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:44:55 - 00:44:57]
Syed's gonna fuck her up. 

Amanda:
[00:44:57 - 00:45:01]
At least Michael and Sawyer and Jenner there, so maybe that will keep said. Kind of. 

Kip:
[00:45:01 - 00:45:09]
Yeah. And I don't like even their relationship. Even his grief in this moment was hard to buy. 

Amanda:
[00:45:09 - 00:45:13]
Well, I mean, again, that's why they're like, I love you. I'll never leave you. 

Theresa:
[00:45:13 - 00:45:14]
Like, what? 

Amanda:
[00:45:15 - 00:45:18]
I feel like they're trying to get emotionally manipulate us as quickly as possible. 

Kip:
[00:45:18 - 00:45:21]
Exactly. But I don't think it works. I don't think it works. 

Theresa:
[00:45:21 - 00:45:42]
We needed to see more of the relationship. Even from the beginning, their relationship was not that believable. Remember, he's like, I found these shoes for you. Why did you do this? And then that time that she sang to him, and we're like, you probably could have just said it was a song, but okay. 

Theresa:
[00:45:42 - 00:45:49]
Yeah, the whole thing just felt like, really just kind of, like, smashed together. Like, they're just kind of being like, these two are together now. 

Amanda:
[00:45:49 - 00:45:58]
Someone has to die. Shannon we don't really know what to do with it. The best of times, Maggie Grace wants to be an act like a movie star. And so let's kill her off. Oh, shit. 

Amanda:
[00:45:58 - 00:46:05]
No one's going to give a shit. We better write some ramp up the emotion in these 42 minutes. That's what it felt like, honestly. 

Kip:
[00:46:05 - 00:46:06]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:46:06 - 00:46:08]
Well, where, though? 

Kip:
[00:46:09 - 00:46:09]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:46:09 - 00:46:13]
Did Shannon gain a significant amount? 

Kip:
[00:46:13 - 00:46:14]
I'm very anxious. 

Theresa:
[00:46:15 - 00:46:16]
Gain a significant amount? 

Kip:
[00:46:17 - 00:46:18]
Sympathy. Pity. 

Theresa:
[00:46:18 - 00:46:19]
You don't have pity points. 

Kip:
[00:46:20 - 00:46:21]
I don't know. 

Amanda:
[00:46:21 - 00:46:23]
I would give almost exclusively pity points. 

Theresa:
[00:46:23 - 00:46:26]
No, some people did get pity points and she did get some pity points. 

Amanda:
[00:46:26 - 00:46:28]
All right, let's hear those character rankings. 

Theresa:
[00:46:28 - 00:46:30]
I almost feel like I have to go top to bottom. 

Kip:
[00:46:30 - 00:46:31]
Yeah. Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:46:31 - 00:46:36]
So that change it up just to change it up because I think we know who's still number one. 

Kip:
[00:46:36 - 00:46:37]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:46:37 - 00:46:37]
Son. 

Theresa:
[00:46:39 - 00:46:43]
With 15. I mean, this feels weird. I should feel like I should do it the other way around. 

Kip:
[00:46:43 - 00:46:43]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:46:43 - 00:46:44]
I don't like when you start. 

Theresa:
[00:46:44 - 00:46:55]
This feels wrong. Okay, number 17, we have Michael with negative 1085. I thought there was going to be more of a whoa. But. Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:46:56 - 00:46:58]
We're used to this pretty much on. 

Kip:
[00:46:58 - 00:46:59]
Bottom of the barrel. 

Theresa:
[00:46:59 - 00:47:01]
Okay. But you know what, let me just. 

Amanda:
[00:47:01 - 00:47:03]
Did he gain points? 

Kip:
[00:47:03 - 00:47:05]
Yeah. What are we supposed to be? Surprised? 

Theresa:
[00:47:05 - 00:47:23]
Disappointed. So I was like, this is it. This is going to be the day that they're going to be like, wow, she's not so horrible. He last week was at the bottom with negative 1355. Now negative 1700, negative 1085. 

Kip:
[00:47:23 - 00:47:25]
Okay. So he gained about 300 points. 

Theresa:
[00:47:25 - 00:47:27]
That was even just not that exciting. 

Amanda:
[00:47:28 - 00:47:30]
Automatically assumed ranking. 

Theresa:
[00:47:31 - 00:47:48]
I was like, they're going to be so glad. Like, he actually went up like three digits, like triple in the hundreds. Goddamn. Shannon finishes off, unfortunately, 9th place, not a good negative 800. 

Amanda:
[00:47:48 - 00:47:51]
How much did she go up for last time, though? 

Kip:
[00:47:51 - 00:47:54]
Yeah, you got to keep that handy because we always ask. 

Theresa:
[00:47:55 - 00:47:59]
She went up. She was at negative 920. 

Amanda:
[00:47:59 - 00:48:01]
She gained 120 points. 

Theresa:
[00:48:02 - 00:48:02]
Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:48:02 - 00:48:03]
It's not bad. 

Theresa:
[00:48:03 - 00:48:17]
Yeah. Then we have Kate negative 280. Annalucia negative 55. Desmond with 60. Libby with 155. 

Kip:
[00:48:17 - 00:48:18]
Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:48:18 - 00:48:21]
Walt with 240. Charlie with 330. 

Kip:
[00:48:21 - 00:48:22]
Charlie, I want to know how much. 

Theresa:
[00:48:22 - 00:48:32]
He went down because he's a piece of garbage. Well, let's just say that Charlie before was 9th and now he's 10th, which doesn't say a lot. 

Kip:
[00:48:32 - 00:48:33]
That much. 

Theresa:
[00:48:33 - 00:48:40]
No, because a lot of people went up. But he had 605 and now he's at 330. 

Kip:
[00:48:40 - 00:48:42]
Whoa. That's an hefty drop. 

Theresa:
[00:48:42 - 00:48:51]
Honestly. He's lucky it isn't more. Yeah, I was distracted by some pringles. Then it's Mr. Echo with 410. 

Theresa:
[00:48:51 - 00:48:59]
Jack with 660. Claire with 740. Sorry with 830. Locke with 1030. Jen with 1075. 

Theresa:
[00:48:59 - 00:49:06]
Then we have the top three. Sayeed with 1185. Harley with 1385. And then, like I said, our reigning queen's son, 1510. 

Kip:
[00:49:06 - 00:49:09]
I'm curious how Sayeed changed, if at all. 

Theresa:
[00:49:09 - 00:49:11]
Sayeed went up a little bit. 

Kip:
[00:49:11 - 00:49:12]
Really? 

Theresa:
[00:49:12 - 00:49:12]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:49:12 - 00:49:13]
For the romance. 

Kip:
[00:49:13 - 00:49:15]
That's kind of surprising. 

Amanda:
[00:49:15 - 00:49:15]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:49:15 - 00:49:16]
Not going to lie. 

Theresa:
[00:49:16 - 00:49:18]
Yeah. He only went up by 75. 

Kip:
[00:49:19 - 00:49:23]
He just spent the whole episode saying how you didn't buy the romance, you didn't believe in it. 

Theresa:
[00:49:23 - 00:49:25]
Buy the romance. But the romance is sweet. 

Kip:
[00:49:25 - 00:49:26]
Oh, okay. 

Amanda:
[00:49:26 - 00:49:29]
You don't buy that he would be doing it for her, but it's sweet that he's doing it. 

Theresa:
[00:49:29 - 00:49:33]
Yeah, I believe that he would do it. I just don't believe that he would do it for her. 

Kip:
[00:49:33 - 00:49:35]
I see. Okay, fair enough. 

Theresa:
[00:49:35 - 00:49:38]
I think that he would be, like, all in, like a relationship. 

Kip:
[00:49:38 - 00:49:39]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:49:48 - 00:49:56]
Well, looks like it's about that time. We're going to get into our own rankings. We're going to go in alphabetical order by first name. 

Amanda:
[00:49:56 - 00:49:58]
Her last name starts with an a. 

Theresa:
[00:49:58 - 00:50:03]
I was going to say last name. I'm like, I don't want to go first. We're starting with Miss Amanda. 

Amanda:
[00:50:04 - 00:50:09]
IMDb gave this 8.2. I would think that's probably around what. 

Theresa:
[00:50:09 - 00:50:10]
I would give it. 

Amanda:
[00:50:10 - 00:50:12]
Probably like an 8.2. 

Theresa:
[00:50:13 - 00:50:14]
You have to pick a number for. 

Amanda:
[00:50:14 - 00:50:15]
The shirt, .1, then. 

Theresa:
[00:50:15 - 00:50:16]
Okay. Thank you. 

Amanda:
[00:50:18 - 00:50:38]
I think I kind of really got into why during it. I just really think that the Shannon thing was rushed. I think it was like to kind of emotionally manipulate us into caring more when she gets shot at the end so that it's a little bit more emotional and surprising. And I do think that she. I think her backstory is sad. 

Amanda:
[00:50:38 - 00:51:00]
I felt a lot for her. I felt a lot for how her stepmother treated her, how she kind of turned her into a worse version of herself. And I thought it was really sad at the end when she said she just wanted people to believe in her and not leave her. And she's kind of having that emotional breakthrough she has shot. But I think it's good storytelling. 

Amanda:
[00:51:00 - 00:51:16]
I think that group of people being as heightened and emotional and scared as they are coming in, I think something like that was bound to happen. And I remember the first time watching it being, like, super surprised. And it was really well done. So it obviously gets points for that. So 8.1. 

Kip:
[00:51:16 - 00:51:17]
Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:51:19 - 00:51:26]
Next, in alphabetical order, we're going to go with Christopher, aka Kiptifer. Either way, I'm last. 

Kip:
[00:51:26 - 00:51:30]
Okay, so I'm giving this one a 7.5. 

Amanda:
[00:51:30 - 00:51:32]
A dip below an eight. 

Kip:
[00:51:32 - 00:51:44]
Yeah. Momentous effusion if it wasn't. So the Shannon storyline, I give a six, and the Taylor's, I give a nine. So I'm just kind of splitting the difference. 

Theresa:
[00:51:44 - 00:51:45]
Yeah, that's fair. 

Kip:
[00:51:45 - 00:52:08]
I agree with what you. I just. I hate how they jammed it all into this episode without giving us at least two or three episodes of a bit of an arc to really build up the craziness of Shannon being shot. So I didn't like that part of it. But I really enjoyed the Taylor part. 

Amanda:
[00:52:08 - 00:52:09]
Me too. 

Kip:
[00:52:09 - 00:52:10]
7.5. 

Theresa:
[00:52:10 - 00:52:33]
Mine is a 7.8. I have a hard time with Shannon's storyline a lot. I think that there was so much that they could have done, and even having it all in this one episode shows you that they could have spread it out a lot better. Like, even her sitting in front of Boone's grave and he's like, well, why are you here? Then? 

Theresa:
[00:52:33 - 00:52:51]
It's like, okay, all right. We could have talked about this a while ago to just build on their relationship a little bit more. And it just kind of felt, like, really weird. Like, their relationship, to me, feels really weird. But I also really like the Taylor's part and especially toward the. 

Theresa:
[00:52:51 - 00:53:14]
Like, I would like to take that ending and add an extra episode in the middle to stretch out what's going on and then have that be the end so that at least we get back into the relationship of said and Shannon and who Shannon is now, like, one or two episodes. Spread out this episode into, like, little chunks. 

Kip:
[00:53:15 - 00:53:23]
I agree. All right, well, there you have it. Shannon, episode. Shannon's gone. She's with her brother. 

Kip:
[00:53:23 - 00:53:25]
They've left the island. 

Theresa:
[00:53:25 - 00:53:26]
Correct. 

Kip:
[00:53:26 - 00:53:30]
And with that, we shall leave this podcast for today. 

Theresa:
[00:53:31 - 00:53:35]
I'm not watching again after that. I'm in their dream. 

Kip:
[00:53:38 - 00:53:40]
Okay, don't forget to follow us. 

Theresa:
[00:53:43 - 00:53:45]
Amanda. She's doing something serious for you. 

Kip:
[00:53:46 - 00:53:49]
You can email us at let's getlowspot@gmail.com. 

Theresa:
[00:53:49 - 00:53:50]
I'm in your dream. 

Kip:
[00:53:50 - 00:53:51]
I'm in your dream. 

Theresa:
[00:53:51 - 00:53:59]
And please, whatever we're supposed to say, like, and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. But now I'm being serious. 

Kip:
[00:53:59 - 00:53:59]
Amanda. 

Theresa:
[00:53:59 - 00:54:02]
Goddamn it. Shut up. I'm in your dream. 

Kip:
[00:54:03 - 00:54:05]
She's coming, brother. Oh, sorry. 

Theresa:
[00:54:05 - 00:54:07]
Like, and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. 

Amanda:
[00:54:09 - 00:54:09]
I'm in your. 

Theresa:
[00:54:10 - 00:54:10]
I'm in your dirt. 

Amanda:
[00:54:11 - 00:54:12]
Bye bye. 

Kip:
[00:54:13 - 00:54:13]
I'm.