Amanda:
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We're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about loss. So join us for some laughs, good conversation, and let's get lost together. 

Theresa:
[00:00:24 - 00:00:25]
You. 

Amanda:
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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to let's get lost. We are currently recording in our new recording studio. 

Kip:
[00:00:36 - 00:00:37]
Kim. 

Amanda:
[00:00:37 - 00:00:39]
I don't know. I thought it's so funny. 

Theresa:
[00:00:39 - 00:00:48]
Well, I think it was the lead up to it. It was so dramatic. Like you would have thought that we had had someone in sound booth or something. 

Kip:
[00:00:48 - 00:00:49]
Just in my basement. 

Amanda:
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I know, but I'm on a couch. It's very exciting. 

Kip:
[00:00:53 - 00:00:57]
So much more comfortable than those uncomfortable chairs we were in before. 

Amanda:
[00:00:57 - 00:01:05]
I love it. I love it. So coming to you from our new studio, you'll have to tell us if you hear any differences. I already feel more at ease on this couch. 

Kip:
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Good. 

Amanda:
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And I feel like I will be able to finally give you guys my true unfiltered feelings. 

Kip:
[00:01:10 - 00:01:14]
Wow. Because we've never had those before. 

Amanda:
[00:01:14 - 00:01:20]
Never. And it's a perfect episode to start with because Anna Lucia does not attract any controversy. 

Kip:
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No. She is so just well loved and just even keeled. 

Amanda:
[00:01:26 - 00:01:27]
Yes. 

Kip:
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Just one of those characters that nobody really notices. 

Theresa:
[00:01:29 - 00:01:29]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
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And the actress, too. So that's good. 

Theresa:
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You just love her. 

Kip:
[00:01:33 - 00:01:35]
The other 48 days. 

Amanda:
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This is a good episode. This is really cool. 

Theresa:
[00:01:38 - 00:01:39]
It is a really good episode. 

Amanda:
[00:01:39 - 00:01:41]
What's it about? 

Theresa:
[00:01:41 - 00:01:57]
All right, I guess that's my cue. The other 48 days, season two, episode seven. Written by Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse. Directed by Eric Lenouville. Whatever. 

Theresa:
[00:01:58 - 00:02:28]
Lenuval. A tranquil tropical day is shattered when the tail section of oceanic flight 815 crashes into the water. The 23 survivors from the tail section endure attacks by the others that lead to paranoia and infighting. After finding Jin, Michael, and Sawyer on the beach, the Taylors trek through the jungle to find their fateful encounter with Shannon. Too much. 

Amanda:
[00:02:28 - 00:02:35]
I just think it's funny that it's like a tranquil day on the beach. That's literally the first scene. They're like, narrating the first. 

Theresa:
[00:02:36 - 00:02:38]
It's too much. The detail is too much. 

Amanda:
[00:02:39 - 00:02:57]
That was a really cool opening scene, though. We'll get to the talking about it. But I think I was about to be like, this is such a great episode. And then when you were like, written by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Q. So I'm like, well, of course, because the end of the day, lots of great writers, but when you have showrunners that actually write this specific episode, always going to be in that know. 

Kip:
[00:02:58 - 00:03:04]
However it makes sense some of my commentary that I'll share later on based on the. 

Amanda:
[00:03:06 - 00:03:08]
Familiar with why wasn't Jack Bender? 

Theresa:
[00:03:08 - 00:03:10]
Are you familiar with Eric? 

Kip:
[00:03:10 - 00:03:21]
I'm not. But it makes sense to me now why I was unimpressed with some of the directing. Not unimpressed, I shouldn't say unimpressed, just that it was more confusing than some of my favourite episodes. 

Amanda:
[00:03:21 - 00:03:42]
I have a feeling that I'm going to be in the minority on a few opinions. And I'm excited to get to it because Theresa and I came here together and we obviously try not to talk about the episode too much because we don't want know waste all of our good stuff on just conversation. But I did say one thing to her just in passing, and she was like, I disagree. So now I'm curious to see who you agree with. 

Kip:
[00:03:43 - 00:03:46]
Okay, yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm not okay. 

Theresa:
[00:03:46 - 00:03:47]
I always lose. 

Kip:
[00:03:48 - 00:04:01]
No. All right, here's some stats. No. IMDb, 8.8 out of ten fair viewers, 21.87 million. Sorry, nickname count was zero, obviously. 

Kip:
[00:04:01 - 00:04:12]
Days one to 48 on the island. Okay, so I want to go back to the viewers, 21.87 million. That sounds like a lot, right? That was actually only the fifth highest rated show that week. 

Amanda:
[00:04:12 - 00:04:16]
That week, yeah. What else is even? Was 24 out then? 

Kip:
[00:04:16 - 00:04:24]
No. Well, it might have been. Yeah, it definitely was. But CSI was number one, of course, with over 30 million. 

Amanda:
[00:04:24 - 00:04:28]
Those franchisee shows like that were killing the game back then. 

Kip:
[00:04:28 - 00:04:30]
So what year was this then? 

Amanda:
[00:04:30 - 00:04:31]
2005. 

Kip:
[00:04:31 - 00:04:41]
Because now into 2006, the 22 23 ratings for this past season, the highest rated show was NCIS with only 9.86 million. 

Amanda:
[00:04:41 - 00:04:47]
I know. It's actually kind of insane. Crazy because people are not watching network television anymore. 

Theresa:
[00:04:47 - 00:04:52]
No. You stream it and there are all these streaming platforms now that you can just watch it there. 

Amanda:
[00:04:53 - 00:04:56]
Yes. Why did I say it like that? 

Theresa:
[00:04:56 - 00:04:57]
I don't know. 

Kip:
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It's. 

Amanda:
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No, it's important because if it was a time capsule and someone comes across it is 300 years from now. 

Kip:
[00:05:02 - 00:05:07]
Capsule is important. Almost 20 years later and it's down by like two thirds. 

Amanda:
[00:05:07 - 00:05:09]
That's actually fucked. 

Kip:
[00:05:09 - 00:05:10]
That. Isn't that crazy? 

Amanda:
[00:05:10 - 00:05:16]
Like 30 million people used to watch each episode of CSI per week and now every million people. 

Theresa:
[00:05:16 - 00:05:17]
Like the OG. CSI? Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:05:17 - 00:05:18]
That was OG LV. 

Amanda:
[00:05:18 - 00:05:21]
The Las Vegas one. Las Vegas date cake. 

Kip:
[00:05:21 - 00:05:22]
That was the best one. 

Theresa:
[00:05:23 - 00:05:24]
I've never seen an episode of. 

Amanda:
[00:05:25 - 00:05:26]
Are you serious? 

Kip:
[00:05:26 - 00:05:28]
But there's 5000 of them. 

Amanda:
[00:05:28 - 00:05:33]
I used to love CSI. You were like a teenager. You didn't think that was like the coolest thing? 

Kip:
[00:05:34 - 00:05:35]
I loved it. 

Amanda:
[00:05:35 - 00:05:37]
I cannot watch a single cop type show. 

Theresa:
[00:05:37 - 00:05:40]
I watched a lot of the OC. 

Amanda:
[00:05:40 - 00:05:44]
Yeah, but CSI was just so mindless. You just put it on, you're like, what's going to happen? 

Kip:
[00:05:44 - 00:05:50]
This, like, we know you loved the. But like, did you watch any other shows? 

Amanda:
[00:05:52 - 00:05:53]
Family guy. 

Theresa:
[00:05:53 - 00:05:56]
I really liked Family guy. I watched friends. 

Kip:
[00:05:57 - 00:05:58]
Yeah. Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:05:58 - 00:06:01]
And Grey's Anatomy. 

Kip:
[00:06:01 - 00:06:03]
Oh, okay. 

Amanda:
[00:06:03 - 00:06:11]
Well, Grey's anatomy was just starting. Would have just been er is good. What were the other, do you know the other top shows? 

Kip:
[00:06:12 - 00:06:14]
I just wrote CSI. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:06:14 - 00:06:18]
I never watched. Well, keep in mind that when I was younger, I had a lot going on. 

Kip:
[00:06:18 - 00:06:22]
Well, I'm not judging in the evening how much you didn't. Did or didn't. 

Amanda:
[00:06:22 - 00:06:26]
In fact, did not. So I watched a significant amount of television. 

Theresa:
[00:06:26 - 00:06:29]
I had a lot of lessons to go to. 

Amanda:
[00:06:29 - 00:06:29]
I did not. 

Theresa:
[00:06:30 - 00:06:33]
And now I'm like, my God, no, it's good. Watch CSI from the beginning. 

Amanda:
[00:06:33 - 00:06:45]
No, you don't watch like an episode a season and you'll be caught up. It's very formulaic. The thing is, shows like CSI don't, they're not even being made really. 

Theresa:
[00:06:45 - 00:06:48]
Now what did I watch? 2005. 

Amanda:
[00:06:49 - 00:07:12]
It's kind of funny to think that shows like lost at the time were kind of like revolutionary in terms of storytelling. And shows like CSI, law and order, those kind of like formulaic murder of the week type stuff was so popular. And those sitcoms with the laugh, those. 

Kip:
[00:07:12 - 00:07:18]
Were popular for decades, really. Only in the past, like ten or 1520 years have they really fallen out. No. 

Amanda:
[00:07:18 - 00:07:25]
And now shows like lost. Lost is considered like a tame version of the type of storytelling that they do now. And it was like revolutionary then. 

Kip:
[00:07:25 - 00:07:45]
So that week, the top five were CSI, desperate housewives, Monday Night Football without a trace, which I don't even know what that is. Lost. But then the following week, lost was third. It was CSI, Desperate Housewives, lost without a trace, Grey's Anatomy, CSI Miami, CSI New York was down. Oh, my God, so many CSI. 

Amanda:
[00:07:45 - 00:08:00]
So it's interesting because desperate Housewives actually premiered 19 years ago. It actually premiered the same year that. And that was same and same network. So it's also interesting because different networks will kind of come in and out of favour too. Right? 

Amanda:
[00:08:01 - 00:08:04]
There was a really long period of time where ABC was considered kind of like a shitty. 

Kip:
[00:08:04 - 00:08:09]
Yeah. And then they had the resurgence in the early two thousand s. ABC was. 

Amanda:
[00:08:09 - 00:08:11]
Considered kind of like trashy in the. 

Kip:
[00:08:11 - 00:08:16]
90S, which Fox was always kind of considered trashy forever. 

Amanda:
[00:08:17 - 00:08:19]
Anything good that happens to Fox, they fuck up. 

Kip:
[00:08:19 - 00:08:21]
Why are you looking confused Teresa. 

Theresa:
[00:08:21 - 00:08:24]
Because I'm trying to figure out math in my head. 

Kip:
[00:08:24 - 00:08:25]
Hi. 

Theresa:
[00:08:25 - 00:08:32]
Because I never watched Lost when it was on air. And it came out, what, 2004? And then I'm trying to think, like. 

Amanda:
[00:08:32 - 00:08:34]
What were you watching? 

Theresa:
[00:08:34 - 00:08:35]
What was I doing in 2004? 

Amanda:
[00:08:35 - 00:08:53]
You would have been 16. And I mean, it makes sense at 16 that you were born into things like the OC. I watched things like, yeah, Grey's Anatomy, one Tree Hill, the OC. But I just literally, like, I'm not even joking when I say this and saying that I had nothing going on. I just watched a lot of television as a teenager. 

Kip:
[00:08:53 - 00:08:54]
I really didn't do much in the evening. 

Amanda:
[00:08:54 - 00:08:59]
I literally would come home and watch tv from like 06:00 p.m. Till I. 

Kip:
[00:08:59 - 00:09:10]
Would watch from get home at four, put on the Simpsons reruns, then usually like fresh Prince of Bel Air. And then we'd have dinner and then the news would be on during dinner and then whatever prime time was on. 

Amanda:
[00:09:10 - 00:09:13]
Oh, for sure. The tv always, never went off in my house. 

Theresa:
[00:09:13 - 00:09:16]
Our tv was also on a lot, but I think we watched a lot. 

Amanda:
[00:09:16 - 00:09:19]
Of, like, filipino soap operas. 

Theresa:
[00:09:20 - 00:09:29]
I mean, those were, a lot of, those are always just like, on. So maybe that's what it is. Yeah. I don't know. I'm like drawing a blank as to what I was watching. 

Theresa:
[00:09:30 - 00:09:31]
Only thing I can remember is the OC. 

Amanda:
[00:09:32 - 00:09:45]
I do remember. It's very interesting because I didn't watch other than CSI, I didn't watch any of those top shows that you just named at the time. But I remember desperate housewives in particular and lost to a degree. But for some reason, Desperate Housewives was just everyone talked about. 

Kip:
[00:09:46 - 00:09:49]
I watched Desperate Housewives when it first premiered. It was very good. 

Theresa:
[00:09:49 - 00:09:52]
That gardener, Jesse Metcalf. 

Kip:
[00:09:52 - 00:09:53]
Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:09:53 - 00:10:06]
I actually just googled because I saw an ad saying that it was the 19th anniversary or whatever. And I actually just googled, like, what was the big mystery of Desperate Housewives? Because I remember there was like, kills herself, right? Yeah, the neighbour. And then they have to figure out why. 

Kip:
[00:10:06 - 00:10:09]
But there's like, yeah, some murder mystery. 

Amanda:
[00:10:10 - 00:10:13]
Yeah. And then she's being blackmailed by one of them or something. I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:10:13 - 00:10:20]
It was a good show. I never finished it, to be honest. I think I watched the first few seasons and that was it. 

Theresa:
[00:10:20 - 00:10:22]
Yeah, same. I fell off after a while. 

Amanda:
[00:10:22 - 00:10:30]
I'm really bad for finishing tv shows. Used to commit and be like, if I started it, I had to finish it. But as I got older, I was just like, if I don't like it, I don't like it. 

Kip:
[00:10:30 - 00:10:31]
Why am I going to waste my time? 

Theresa:
[00:10:31 - 00:10:33]
Yeah, but you don't even finish shows that you do like. 

Amanda:
[00:10:34 - 00:10:47]
I can never watch series finales. That is correct. That is actually fun fact of Amanda this week. With the exception of Lost, things that are very heavily serialised. I usually will, but I do not watch series finales. 

Amanda:
[00:10:47 - 00:10:59]
It sometimes takes me years. For example, the following shows I have watched to every episode except the series finale. The OC. I just watched the office finale. 

Kip:
[00:10:59 - 00:10:59]
What? 

Amanda:
[00:10:59 - 00:11:01]
Like last year? 

Kip:
[00:11:01 - 00:11:01]
Oh my. 

Amanda:
[00:11:01 - 00:11:18]
Even though I watched the office in real time, I have never watched the parks and rec finale. I have never watched the 30 rock finale. I have never watched the how I met your mother finale, even though I obviously know how it ends. I have found very few series finales, especially for like, episodic television, to be satisfying. 

Kip:
[00:11:21 - 00:11:27]
Some of them are, but yeah, I love finales. I watched them all. 

Amanda:
[00:11:27 - 00:11:38]
Even if I. Here are some finales I have watched that I like. 6ft under great finale, breaking bad, decent finale, end of list. 

Theresa:
[00:11:38 - 00:11:39]
Lost. 

Kip:
[00:11:39 - 00:11:42]
Lost is an experience I think it's time for. 

Amanda:
[00:11:44 - 00:11:45]
Do we not have trivia? 

Kip:
[00:11:45 - 00:11:49]
Oh, we do have trivia. Yes. I think it's time for trivia. 

Theresa:
[00:11:50 - 00:11:52]
I thought you guys are going to sing to me. 

Kip:
[00:11:53 - 00:11:59]
What day does Bernard receive Boone's transmission? I'm trying to make sure Max doesn't cheat here. 

Amanda:
[00:12:03 - 00:12:04]
30. 

Kip:
[00:12:04 - 00:12:05]
Incorrect. 

Theresa:
[00:12:07 - 00:12:14]
I'm trying to think of a sound. I don't have one all of a sudden. 26. 

Kip:
[00:12:15 - 00:12:15]
Incorrect. 

Theresa:
[00:12:15 - 00:12:16]
23. 

Kip:
[00:12:17 - 00:12:17]
Incorrect. 

Theresa:
[00:12:18 - 00:12:19]
42. 

Kip:
[00:12:19 - 00:12:19]
Close. 

Theresa:
[00:12:20 - 00:12:21]
40. Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:12:21 - 00:12:23]
She's gotten like ten guesses. 

Theresa:
[00:12:24 - 00:12:25]
Yeah. It's not 45. 

Amanda:
[00:12:25 - 00:12:26]
What is it? 

Kip:
[00:12:26 - 00:12:28]
41. The day 41. 

Theresa:
[00:12:28 - 00:12:28]
Dang it. 

Amanda:
[00:12:29 - 00:12:34]
Really? It's just like so much happened. Boon has only been dead for a week. 

Kip:
[00:12:34 - 00:12:35]
I know, right? 

Amanda:
[00:12:35 - 00:12:38]
Or less. Or week, I guess when Shannon dies. 

Kip:
[00:12:38 - 00:12:38]
Weird. 

Amanda:
[00:12:38 - 00:12:39]
That's kind of messed. 

Kip:
[00:12:39 - 00:12:41]
That is so weird to think about that. 

Amanda:
[00:12:41 - 00:12:44]
I feel like she's been dead for. 

Kip:
[00:12:44 - 00:12:49]
Like a year because they're on day 48 when Shannon dies. Ew. That's so strange because it feels so. 

Theresa:
[00:12:49 - 00:12:51]
Much longer on day 41. 

Kip:
[00:12:51 - 00:12:52]
Well, that's when. 

Amanda:
[00:12:52 - 00:12:53]
Probably 42. Really? 

Kip:
[00:12:53 - 00:12:55]
Yeah. In the plane. 

Theresa:
[00:12:55 - 00:12:56]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:12:57 - 00:13:08]
That's bizarre to think about. Okay, next question. This is the only episode in which these two main characters do not make an appearance. Who are they? Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:13:08 - 00:13:09]
Jack. 

Kip:
[00:13:09 - 00:13:09]
Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:13:09 - 00:13:10]
And Locke. 

Theresa:
[00:13:10 - 00:13:11]
Yes. 

Kip:
[00:13:11 - 00:13:15]
But I don't see. Oh, right. It's the only episode where the. 

Amanda:
[00:13:15 - 00:13:17]
So Kate's probably not in other ones. Yes. 

Kip:
[00:13:17 - 00:13:21]
So these two are in literally every other episode except for these. That's so cool. 

Amanda:
[00:13:21 - 00:13:22]
That is really cool. That's a very cool fact. 

Theresa:
[00:13:22 - 00:13:23]
Fun fact. 

Kip:
[00:13:23 - 00:13:29]
Okay. What's the name of the Dharma station that's a good. 

Amanda:
[00:13:30 - 00:13:31]
Like a lamb. 

Theresa:
[00:13:33 - 00:13:35]
I just wanted to beat her. 

Kip:
[00:13:35 - 00:13:36]
Okay, what is it? 

Theresa:
[00:13:36 - 00:13:37]
Arrow. 

Kip:
[00:13:37 - 00:13:40]
Correct. And it is actually the only time we see the arrow. 

Amanda:
[00:13:40 - 00:13:46]
If it helps. I never know the Dharma stations. I can't even tell you what is the swan. 

Kip:
[00:13:46 - 00:13:48]
You just look at the picture. 

Amanda:
[00:13:48 - 00:13:51]
I know, but the swan is where they're pushing the buttons, right? Yes. 

Kip:
[00:13:51 - 00:13:54]
Okay, so now it's time for Theresa. 

Theresa:
[00:13:54 - 00:13:57]
Stream of consciousness also. 

Kip:
[00:13:57 - 00:13:58]
All right. 

Theresa:
[00:13:58 - 00:14:12]
Oh, wow. The piece of the beach is somehow always so scary on this show. And, oh, my God, it's because there's a plane crash. She's almighty. Okay, so this is a thing. 

Theresa:
[00:14:12 - 00:14:24]
Okay. Hey, Anna. Man, this is straight echo. You know, the first day is paid, and this sucks. Oh, and they have kids with them. 

Theresa:
[00:14:24 - 00:14:36]
And not just the one. Man, I held my breath there. That's gotta be scary for that poor kid to watch. You know, Anna, you have the same issues with Jack. All these goddamn promises. 

Theresa:
[00:14:36 - 00:14:45]
Did we get everyone out of the water? Oh, God. And the tail is just sinking a cindy. Whatcha gonna do, Echo? He's such a nice guy. 

Theresa:
[00:14:45 - 00:14:54]
Good with kids. He's huge, but, like, not menacing like he is now with that huge stick. Ah. He's taking them all out of the water. That's nice of him. 

Theresa:
[00:14:54 - 00:15:05]
Man. Libby is a badass. Okay, so no doctor on the side, which seems fair. It doesn't always happen that there's a doctor on the plane. Bernard, that's a messed up way to be trapped. 

Theresa:
[00:15:05 - 00:15:21]
I mean, I guess the question is, would you rather fall into the water where you might drown or be stuck up in a tree? Hard to say. I'd be so effed up with all this death. I mean, I cried when I thought I had hit a rabbit. You know, Anna's very calm. 

Theresa:
[00:15:21 - 00:15:29]
I would cry if I saw all of this. Also, she's Bernard. Upper body strength much? I would not be able to hang on to that thing. I would struggle, bus. 

Theresa:
[00:15:29 - 00:15:39]
And then fall and die. I think this little cutie over here likes Anna Goodwin. Hey, you're cute. Look at you. Build a fire. 

Theresa:
[00:15:39 - 00:15:51]
Survivor ain't got nothing on you. Echo is seriously my whole heart. He's quiet and strong and sweet, you know, it's so weird. There's not that many of them. There's very limited of them. 

Theresa:
[00:15:51 - 00:15:58]
If they can fit around a fire comfortably. These poor kids. No fucking way. That echo just killed some others. What? 

Theresa:
[00:15:58 - 00:16:10]
On day one? Okay. Yeah. Take off your shirt, Echo. Except you're bloody, so that's kind of a problem, but already a leg up on Locke, because when Locke had Boone's blood, he left his shirt on and went talking to people. 

Theresa:
[00:16:10 - 00:16:25]
These people are a lot cleaner than the fronties, somehow. Oh, but all the kids are really dirty, and they're already missing people after day two. For God's know, there's less of a society with this group. Oh, man. They also have a lot of loss. 

Theresa:
[00:16:25 - 00:16:43]
These kids probably had to watch and listen to that man die. Wait, there are chickens on the know? There's no real leadership or cohesion with this group. Except I see similarities between Jack and Anna. Like, decisions when you want to make them, but when someone comes to you and you don't want to deal with it, you just leave it alone and say. 

Theresa:
[00:16:43 - 00:16:59]
And then at the same time, you're like, don't defy me, ever. Oh, my God. They don't even have tarps or food packets or water. What the hell is at the back of a plane? Oh, I guess, actually, the plane sank, so maybe it was all over there. 

Theresa:
[00:16:59 - 00:17:07]
No, absolutely not. These others are ballsy af. Oh, my God. They took the fucking kids. And the adults too. 

Theresa:
[00:17:07 - 00:17:23]
Like, why didn't this happen to the fronties? They didn't deal with the smoke monster, but they sure as hell dealt with a whole other kind of monster up in here. I would literally cry if I found that list. Anna, you shouldn't be yelling at Echo. There's literally no reason for it. 

Theresa:
[00:17:23 - 00:17:37]
Nathan is sketchy. So I find it interesting here that Anna. We don't know her profession, but has somehow gotten into the leadership role, whereas I think in the beginning, I thought that Jack kind of just gravitated toward the role of being the leader of. 

Amanda:
[00:17:37 - 00:17:39]
That group because of his job. 

Theresa:
[00:17:39 - 00:17:54]
I don't know what Anna does, though, but she's apparently the boss. But only sometimes when she chooses. Um, Anna, why don't we start digging this hole? Oh, thanks for answering, Anna. And thanks for asking all the right questions, libs. 

Theresa:
[00:17:54 - 00:18:01]
Um. Jesus, why did we kick Nathan in the face? My God. And holy shit, she's strong. She can carry a whole man on her back. 

Theresa:
[00:18:01 - 00:18:20]
Hot damn. Also, how long does it take to dig a hole that deep? Okay, we might be getting a little paranoid. Like, I don't remember 99% of the folks I fly with, and it's because I'm a nervous flyer. I just want to sit down, make sure I have my passport, my wallet, my phone, my air pods, and then I'm going to knock myself out with some meds. 

Theresa:
[00:18:20 - 00:18:31]
I'm not going around memorising everybody's face on a plane. I love that she's worried about the kids, though. God damn it, Nathan. Don't you dare say you're from Canada. And, of course he's from Canada. 

Theresa:
[00:18:32 - 00:18:39]
Damon Carlton. We're nice people. Ethan was from Canada. And now sketchbag McSketchy is from Canada. Maybe we just don't. 

Theresa:
[00:18:40 - 00:18:54]
Can we just talk about how Anna Lucia's skin is? Um, does Nathan poop and pee in this hole? He's probably so thirsty. God, Goodwin is kind of hot. Was it Nathan's idea to stay on the beach? 

Theresa:
[00:18:54 - 00:19:05]
Hold up while I pause and rewind. Okay, let's see. He asks where they're going to go and how they're going to get rescued without the signal fire. Goodwin agrees, and Cindy agrees. Okay, so I wouldn't say it's all on him. 

Theresa:
[00:19:05 - 00:19:21]
His outright questions were valid. I mean, they do have kids and injured people. What would you do with them? And how would you transport the broken people if they can't? And, okay, yes, since you have put him in there, they haven't come for you successfully, but you've been moving this whole time. 

Theresa:
[00:19:21 - 00:19:36]
I get the paranoia, though, because he is creepy af. Anna Lucia, are you eating an onion or a turnip? I hear no crump. She heard a very quiet eater, but what are you eating? Because it looks like green onion sprigs coming out of a. 

Theresa:
[00:19:37 - 00:19:46]
Um. Anna, this is what Jack does. Clearly, the kids are her boon, and Nathan is his leg. You're not cutting someone's fingers off. I'm sorry. 

Theresa:
[00:19:46 - 00:19:59]
Let's just cut our losses. Um, Goodwin. What, the shit sticks now? Look who's sketchy. Can we talk about how they get creepy Ethan and these people get hottie Goodwin, but also creepy Nathan. 

Theresa:
[00:20:00 - 00:20:08]
I think we all know what the ish is now. I mean, these walking montages are just unsettling. 

Kip:
[00:20:08 - 00:20:08]
Ooh. 

Theresa:
[00:20:08 - 00:20:13]
Day 27. They find a door. Nobody wants a door. Where does it lead to? Who knows? 

Theresa:
[00:20:14 - 00:20:29]
How do they make such nice hockey sticks to beat people? Um, what are they storing? Ji win, what kind of storage facility is it? What's with the box that takes so many of them to open? It's all. 

Theresa:
[00:20:29 - 00:20:40]
And all it's got is a glass eye, a bible, and a radio. Random. So, okay, Goodwin seems to be the said knows how to do stuff. I guess. I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:20:41 - 00:20:50]
Oh, does she want to bone him? The cutesicle. Emphasis on the sickle. Oh, she knows he's sketchy. I see. 

Theresa:
[00:20:50 - 00:21:05]
Oh, they're trying to take Echo, but he's a knows. I know she knows something ain't right. Okay, Anna, you go, girl. But. Oh, please, Goodwin, don't do that creepy thing where once you're figured out, you smile. 

Theresa:
[00:21:05 - 00:21:14]
The vibe is totally off. Now he's not hot anymore. When did she figure this out though? You know? God, his voice is hot, but he's really, really creepy. 

Theresa:
[00:21:15 - 00:21:24]
He's so freaking creepy. Hey, goodwin, what was the plan there, guy leaping on top of her like that? No wonder you died. I know that fucking voice. It's Boone. 

Theresa:
[00:21:24 - 00:21:34]
But wait, this makes it worse. Wait, now it makes sense why they said no. We're the survivors. My chills are out of control. Oh, Anna. 

Theresa:
[00:21:34 - 00:21:45]
You had to let it keep going. Anna has no faith. Huh. It's interesting to see how people react to these things. Would Anna have faith if she had someone she was hoping was still alive on the plane? 

Theresa:
[00:21:45 - 00:22:02]
Echo was probably the most wise. He's so strong and he's so k. Like, it makes sense why they'd think that Jin, Mike, and Sawyer were bad, hard to trust. And you've been deceived by someone you were with for so damn long. And I get the montages, but I'm not sure they're super effective here. 

Theresa:
[00:22:02 - 00:22:11]
I think we probably could have cut some out. And honestly, it makes for a weird break in the narrative. The ending is no longer as impactful. Just like the end of this stream. 

Amanda:
[00:22:13 - 00:22:14]
Wow. 

Kip:
[00:22:14 - 00:22:14]
Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:22:15 - 00:22:17]
Took a weird turn and that's how. 

Theresa:
[00:22:17 - 00:22:18]
I felt about the episode. 

Kip:
[00:22:19 - 00:22:20]
Okay, I have a few comments. 

Theresa:
[00:22:22 - 00:22:23]
Should I whip out my. 

Kip:
[00:22:23 - 00:22:33]
What did you mean, Anna only wants to lead? Only wants to be a leader when she wants. What did you mean by she's only a leader when she wants to be? 

Theresa:
[00:22:34 - 00:22:56]
Oh, because she's always kind of commanding them to do stuff. Or like, we need to do this, we need to do that. Come here. Pick up whatever fell or whatever. But then when that guy's leg was infected and Libby came over and she was like, oh, his infection is spreading or whatever, and she's like, I can't remember what she says, but it's something like, well, what do you want me to do about it? 

Theresa:
[00:22:56 - 00:23:10]
Or something like that. Or she's just very dismissive. And it reminds me of when Jack. I can't remember what scene it was in the first season where. When Rose was sitting by herself or whatever, and they're like, hey, do you want to talk to her? 

Theresa:
[00:23:10 - 00:23:13]
And he's like, what am I supposed to do? Like that. Similar. 

Kip:
[00:23:13 - 00:23:14]
Yeah, I get that. 

Theresa:
[00:23:14 - 00:23:19]
I want to be in charge, but if you come to me with something and I don't want to deal with it. I'm just not going to fucking deal with it. 

Kip:
[00:23:20 - 00:23:37]
Didn't get that vibe at all from Anna Lucia. I get the parallels between her and Jack, and I think that's intentional, but I do get that with Jack, for sure, but with Anna Lucia, I didn't really get. I felt she was very consistent in this episode anyway, with her sort of leadership. 

Amanda:
[00:23:38 - 00:24:03]
I feel like for Ana Lucia, she wants to be. She just sometimes doesn't know what to do, whereas Jack just often feels burdened by it. I actually think Ana Lucia is the perfect love child between all the flaws of both Jack and Kate. She's like, when Bernard's in the tree and she's, like, hugging him and she's like, stay there, I'm going to come get you. I'm like, she didn't climb a tree? 

Kip:
[00:24:03 - 00:24:05]
No, she did not climb that tree. 

Amanda:
[00:24:06 - 00:24:07]
Wait, what? 

Kip:
[00:24:07 - 00:24:08]
Kate would have climbed the tree. 

Theresa:
[00:24:08 - 00:24:09]
She did climb the tree. 

Amanda:
[00:24:10 - 00:24:14]
How sad. Lucia, get him down. Then she climbed the tree. Yeah, she would have had to climb the tree. 

Theresa:
[00:24:14 - 00:24:16]
She just didn't climb the tree. When Goodwin was telling her to climb. 

Amanda:
[00:24:16 - 00:24:20]
The tree and we didn't see it, but I assume that's what maybe. 

Theresa:
[00:24:21 - 00:24:22]
She's clearly very capable. 

Kip:
[00:24:22 - 00:24:40]
I know she's very capable. I actually really like Anna Lucia. That's my controversial take, because most people hate her. I think she's a good character. But my next point, also, Cindy said she didn't recognise Nathan from the plane. 

Kip:
[00:24:40 - 00:24:42]
It wasn't just Ana Lucia. 

Amanda:
[00:24:42 - 00:24:45]
Yeah, Cindy not recognising him makes more sense. 

Kip:
[00:24:45 - 00:24:47]
And that is a bit more damning. 

Theresa:
[00:24:47 - 00:24:59]
Absolutely. But at the same time, you're also on a plane with, I mean, how many people fly on a plane? It's like upwards of 200 people, right? 

Kip:
[00:24:59 - 00:25:06]
No, and that's why we sort of question Anna Lucia saying it. But then when Cindy says it as the flight attendant, you sort of like, okay. 

Amanda:
[00:25:06 - 00:25:08]
No, that it adds credence to it. 

Theresa:
[00:25:08 - 00:25:14]
For sure it does. I just think that once paranoia starts, it's very easy for people to jump on. 

Amanda:
[00:25:14 - 00:25:15]
Yes, I agree. 

Kip:
[00:25:15 - 00:25:22]
And they do very clearly want us to question. Like, that's very clearly the intention of. 

Amanda:
[00:25:22 - 00:25:29]
And they make the comparisons. Right. Like Ethan, Nathan. Both from when he said Canada. 

Kip:
[00:25:29 - 00:25:30]
I was like, oh, for fuck's sake. 

Theresa:
[00:25:31 - 00:25:34]
I know. I was like, please don't say anything else. 

Amanda:
[00:25:34 - 00:25:37]
Isn't Ethan actually from Canada, though? 

Kip:
[00:25:37 - 00:25:42]
No. Was he born on the said? He actually just said Ontario. 

Theresa:
[00:25:42 - 00:25:43]
That's true. 

Kip:
[00:25:43 - 00:25:47]
And it could have. I remember us talking about how it could have been Ontario and. 

Amanda:
[00:25:51 - 00:26:08]
That I think they actually did a good job. Obviously going back and knowing that it's goodwin. You know, it's not. But I think it makes a little bit of sense that it would be Nathan in a lot of they. I do think being like, I don't remember you from the plane. 

Amanda:
[00:26:08 - 00:26:22]
I think especially when Annalucia goes through why she thinks it's goodwin, those things make so much more sense. Totally, than the Nathan thing that I'm like, why did it take her so long? 

Kip:
[00:26:22 - 00:26:39]
I think she was distracted by Nathan mostly because he seemed to be at odds with her. And so she immediately had distrust of him. Especially with him going to the bathroom, quote unquote, for 2 hours. I mean, maybe he just has really bad ibs or something because he said he was in the bathroom for 2 hours on the plane. 

Theresa:
[00:26:39 - 00:26:41]
Yeah, it is a little suss. 

Kip:
[00:26:41 - 00:26:56]
It is. And to go against the system they said that they have in place and everything's like. So clearly she just mistrusts him and he's giving her reasons, doesn't. She's focusing it all on him as opposed to looking at other options. Like Goodwin. 

Amanda:
[00:26:56 - 00:26:57]
Right. 

Theresa:
[00:26:57 - 00:27:10]
There are definitely some parallels between the character because I'm thinking like, Nathan is very combative and Sora was very combative. And it's just interesting to see how the two groups dealt with their versions of these people. 

Kip:
[00:27:11 - 00:27:26]
Yeah, and you made a lot of good, or a lot of interesting points about that. Like the parallels between the two. The Tay's and you said fronties. I went to cockies. I didn't think of fronties. 

Kip:
[00:27:26 - 00:27:34]
That would have been probably better. But the fronties. Yeah. Very different first few weeks on the island, that's for sure. 

Amanda:
[00:27:34 - 00:27:58]
And it's just so funny because that's why this episode, I think is pretty brilliant because you look at, we've been with these frontiers for 30 episodes and they've been through some shit and it's so difficult. And you're like, it could never be worse than this. And then you see the Tayes and. 

Kip:
[00:27:58 - 00:28:00]
You'Re like, oh my God, theirs is. 

Theresa:
[00:28:00 - 00:28:32]
Terrifying in a whole other, like, I feel like the fronties dealt with the smoke monster and that was really just messed up, that poor know, seeing him torn to shreds. Polar bear people, Scott or Steve dying. And then on the other side, like they have no paranormal kind of situation. Like they don't deal with the smoke have they have a chicken and they're hunting for rabbits. They're not hunting for polar bears or having those kind of come out of nowhere. 

Kip:
[00:28:32 - 00:28:36]
So it's interesting to see, like, they're just being kidnapped. 

Theresa:
[00:28:36 - 00:28:38]
Yeah. When they grab that child. 

Kip:
[00:28:38 - 00:28:39]
Jesus. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:28:39 - 00:28:41]
I was like. And we're done. 

Kip:
[00:28:42 - 00:29:04]
Yeah. It is interesting because, of course, we only see their 48 days in one episode. But when you think of all the romantic drama that the frontiers deal with in the 48 days and these people are literally just, like, trying not to be kidnapped and killed. My God, you guys get it together. 

Theresa:
[00:29:04 - 00:29:09]
No kidding. Like, echo killed two people in the first night. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:29:09 - 00:29:27]
That was like, goodwin is so good, though, at being like, a sneaky bad guy. Like, I forgot how because obviously, yes, we've seen it. We knew that Goodwin was the bad guy, but it is so. Well. 

Theresa:
[00:29:27 - 00:29:28]
Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:29:28 - 00:29:54]
Like, the only reason you don't think it's Nathan is because it's so obviously. And they had kind of mentioned Goodwin before, so you knew something revolved around, but, like, it was crazy. I thought they did a really good job. I thought he did a really good job. I think that he did a better job infiltrating than Ethan did the beach. 

Kip:
[00:29:54 - 00:29:57]
Way better. Beach crew. That's a good one. 

Theresa:
[00:30:00 - 00:30:03]
I'm trying to think of how Ethan did it because he did it a. 

Amanda:
[00:30:03 - 00:30:05]
Lot more like hands off. 

Theresa:
[00:30:05 - 00:30:07]
Because I feel like he was just there one day. 

Amanda:
[00:30:07 - 00:30:07]
Exactly. 

Kip:
[00:30:07 - 00:30:10]
Yeah, he just appeared. He wasn't. 

Amanda:
[00:30:10 - 00:30:33]
I feel like Goodwin was actively having conversations. And I think part of it is just like, it was a lot harder to blend in when there's only seven of you left alive. But he had conversations with. And he'd be strategizing, me, don't do that. Things that would have helped him and the others or whatever is going to be out there, he would actively work against. 

Amanda:
[00:30:33 - 00:30:38]
And I'm like, that's good. There's like, a subtlety to Ethan lacked subtlety. 

Kip:
[00:30:38 - 00:30:45]
I found he just kind of appeared one day and then would randomly just appear in a crowd, kidnap people, and. 

Amanda:
[00:30:45 - 00:30:46]
Then beat the shit out of. 

Kip:
[00:30:47 - 00:30:48]
Know Superman. 

Theresa:
[00:30:48 - 00:30:54]
He was superhuman. Maybe that's why Goodwin tried to fly toward Anna Lucia. 

Kip:
[00:30:54 - 00:31:14]
So you also brought up a good point about how the tail section sinks. So they literally have no supplies and how much the frontiers take that for granted, that they have all this supplies coming from that section of the plane that's on the beach, plus the cockpit that they can trek to and all this stuff. 

Amanda:
[00:31:14 - 00:31:15]
Everyone's luggage. 

Kip:
[00:31:16 - 00:31:18]
Yeah, all the luggage and everything too. 

Amanda:
[00:31:18 - 00:31:25]
And they can't even find matches. Like, she's like, yeah, no matches. And he's like, not that are dry. Which makes total sense, because the plane was in the ocean. 

Theresa:
[00:31:26 - 00:31:29]
They had it rough right from the get. They were just. 

Kip:
[00:31:29 - 00:31:53]
So what did you both think of this very different format of an episode? Because it's obviously very out of the blue in terms of what the episodic format has been for the whole series of lost so far. We don't really get flashbacks. The whole thing is a flashback, I guess, but. Yeah, not in the sense that we're used to. 

Kip:
[00:31:53 - 00:31:59]
And it is a lot of time compressed into one episode. 

Theresa:
[00:32:01 - 00:32:38]
I like it. I'm not sure about the placement. Only because it feels so different. I think that if we had extended season one till the end of last episode and then started this season with this episode, it wouldn't feel like you've just put kind of like a wedge into this season. But that being said, it was very interesting to like. 

Theresa:
[00:32:38 - 00:33:02]
I really liked the episode and it was nice to see where it kind of fit in with the fronties. And I used that moment where Bernard turns on the radio as my marker for where they kind of fit. Granted, apparently day 41, no idea. But in terms of events, that's where I was kind of, like, mapping it out. 

Amanda:
[00:33:02 - 00:33:17]
You're like, okay, at this stage of where we were at with the fronties, this is where they're at. Yeah, I liked it too. We'll talk about the ending. Because I think we all have different opinions about the way they did the ending. But I did miss the flashback. 

Amanda:
[00:33:17 - 00:33:37]
And I know that they had to get through a lot of stuff here. But I wondered if there wasn't maybe a way to do an Annalucia flashback as well. Because I agree that it was weird to completely change the format on episode seven. Right. But it's a cool, like, I think we needed to see how they. 

Amanda:
[00:33:39 - 00:33:44]
I did miss. I do miss the flashbacks because I think the flashbacks tell us so much about a person. 

Kip:
[00:33:45 - 00:34:16]
Yeah, I think a tough call for them to make because how do you show the span of what we've gone through is a season and a bit of time with a certain group of people? How do you show that same period of time with an entirely new group of people without dedicating an entire season to them? And so to do it this way worked because we got. I think it was really well done. Where I thought it misstepped was those weird montages towards the end. 

Theresa:
[00:34:16 - 00:34:17]
Thank you. 

Amanda:
[00:34:17 - 00:34:20]
That's what's funny. Yeah, I liked those. 

Kip:
[00:34:20 - 00:34:20]
Really? 

Amanda:
[00:34:20 - 00:34:34]
I thought it made sense because how. Okay, but let's talk about it this way because we're seeing everything that we haven't seen. Very well done. I felt like they could have even shown us more of their tragedies. But obviously there's only so much time. 

Amanda:
[00:34:34 - 00:34:49]
But you get a flavour for how tormented they became, especially with Echo and him killing those people, going silent. That conversation he has with Annalucia, and she's like, you haven't talked in 40 days. And he's like, you haven't cried in 40 days. It's very beautiful. But what else could they have done? 

Amanda:
[00:34:50 - 00:34:55]
I think they did a good. They need to show us how we got to the shooting, but they're not going to make us relive. 

Theresa:
[00:34:56 - 00:34:57]
Well, I think. 

Kip:
[00:34:57 - 00:35:17]
Well, no, go ahead. I was going to say, no, we shouldn't relive. I think they relived a little too much with those weird montages with Sawyer and Jen and. And. I don't know, just like the music and the weird half slow motion, half fast motion camera work. 

Kip:
[00:35:18 - 00:35:28]
Yeah. I didn't really like the way it was made. I just felt it. It felt very distinct, even from the rest of the episode, which was already distinct from. 

Amanda:
[00:35:28 - 00:35:30]
They tried to be very cinematic with it. 

Kip:
[00:35:30 - 00:35:38]
Yeah. And it just didn't work for me. But I agree we needed to get to the shooting. 

Amanda:
[00:35:39 - 00:35:56]
I mean, I guess what they could have done is shown, like, the day 48 part, the up to Jin running and the others. Others. But then we needed to see. So maybe essentially up to where Anna Lucia gets thrown into the thing. We could have done that and then maybe skipped to them in the forest and, like, day 48 or whatever. 

Kip:
[00:35:56 - 00:36:08]
I don't think we needed to see Sawyer faint again. We didn't need to see them put him on a stretcher again. That stretcher. They obviously spent a lot of time on that stretcher. They wanted to show it off one more time. 

Kip:
[00:36:10 - 00:36:27]
And we know why Annalucia was in the pit from last few episodes. We don't need to hear her explain, like, hit me. Although I did think it was funny when she was like, hit me. And at first you think Echo is just going to be like, I'm not going to hit you. But then all these whack across the face. 

Amanda:
[00:36:27 - 00:36:38]
I guess maybe because. Yeah, thinking about it now, that is another way they could have done it. They could have just left it with her being thrown in the pit and then faded to day 48 and that little rain scene again, because we would have known. But I think it was also. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:36:38 - 00:36:44]
To show that tension and let's look at it now through the lens of seeing what they've. 

Kip:
[00:36:44 - 00:36:46]
Yeah, that's true. 

Theresa:
[00:36:46 - 00:37:21]
I just don't think it was that effective if they're trying to show tension. Because the hard part about a montage is you're supposed to tell a story in a short amount of time or whatever or recap something. The problem with this recap is because there were so many effects to it, it almost takes away from whatever tension we've felt for the whole beginning, and then it makes the end of the episode feel we know how it's going to end. Right? So to have the last five minutes of the episode have no words and then have it essentially just be a recap of what we've already seen isn't impactful enough. 

Theresa:
[00:37:21 - 00:37:25]
After having such a good, strong beginning. 

Kip:
[00:37:25 - 00:37:47]
And middle, I think they should have left it at where Jin runs, and they run after Jin because it was good to see them find Jin and have a little meeting about whether or not he can be trusted or not. But then after that, it's just. Yeah, like you say, it's just recapping what we've just literally seen two episodes ago. Within the last two episodes, I think. 

Amanda:
[00:37:47 - 00:37:55]
They did want to show us the Anna Lucia echo moment, but I also don't think necessarily we even had to see that. I think it's like, obviously, we know how she ended up in the pit. 

Kip:
[00:37:55 - 00:37:56]
Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:37:56 - 00:38:04]
I think we could have presumed that echo is the one who gave her the shiny because he's the one who threw her in Theresa. So I think even that probably wasn't necessary. 

Theresa:
[00:38:05 - 00:38:21]
No, I agree. I think having the conversation about Jin and how the others are still kind of hopeful that he's not a bad guy and that she's the one who's. Is there, there. It doesn't matter. This is what it is or whatever. 

Theresa:
[00:38:21 - 00:38:25]
I think that's really important. But after that point, it's all just. 

Kip:
[00:38:25 - 00:38:29]
Kind of like we've seen it all already, literally, like, in the last two. 

Theresa:
[00:38:29 - 00:38:38]
Episodes, and it doesn't add enough to the storytelling. It doesn't add enough to the episode. Like, it. Such a strong episode ends on kind of like a. 

Kip:
[00:38:39 - 00:38:50]
Well, and it's funny because this was, I think, one of seven episodes that ran five minutes longer than the standard 42 minutes out of the whole series. Yeah, I know. They could have used that extra five minutes so much better. 

Amanda:
[00:38:51 - 00:38:59]
It also just didn't feel like for so much happening. Not that much really happens for it being an extra five minutes. 

Kip:
[00:38:59 - 00:39:04]
Yeah, I see what you're saying. With the extra time, I will say. 

Amanda:
[00:39:04 - 00:39:24]
That of the whole episode, that scene where Goodwin and her having that conversation, and then that leads to the fight. That is a phenomenal scene. Well acted, well written. Do we know what triggered her to finally know it was him? What do we think? 

Theresa:
[00:39:24 - 00:39:41]
That's what I was trying to figure out, because watching the episode, I couldn't figure out what the moment. There's one kind of moment where she looks like she's looking at him, like, hold up. But other than that, I can't pinpoint the moment where she's like, oh, it's him. 

Amanda:
[00:39:41 - 00:39:43]
She wakes up that time when she. 

Theresa:
[00:39:43 - 00:39:47]
Wakes up and he's beside her and he's terrifying. 

Amanda:
[00:39:47 - 00:39:47]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:39:48 - 00:39:48]
By the way. 

Kip:
[00:39:49 - 00:39:50]
Yeah. Why is he staring at her? 

Amanda:
[00:39:50 - 00:39:54]
I think that might have been the beginning of it, but I'm not exactly sure exactly what tipped her off. 

Kip:
[00:39:54 - 00:39:58]
I don't think they go over it. I don't think there is anything that we can point to that was, like. 

Theresa:
[00:39:58 - 00:40:05]
The tip off and what took so long? You know what mean? Like, is it because Nathan was gone and it was like, now she could see. 

Kip:
[00:40:05 - 00:40:06]
Kind of cleared her. 

Theresa:
[00:40:07 - 00:40:08]
What? Like, what was. 

Kip:
[00:40:09 - 00:40:20]
And, I mean, when he said, maybe they're not attacking us. If she had any doubts at that point, the doubts were seriously gone. Why would you say that if you're still trying to be like, I'm on your side. 

Theresa:
[00:40:21 - 00:40:24]
He's so creepy. His whole demeanour, just like, oh, so good. 

Amanda:
[00:40:24 - 00:40:26]
That actor is so good, though. 

Theresa:
[00:40:26 - 00:40:32]
And you can feel the shift. He doesn't even have to do anything, but you can feel the, like, she's. 

Amanda:
[00:40:32 - 00:40:40]
Good too, in that you really like the tension when they're passing the knife back and forth and explaining it. It's messed. 

Kip:
[00:40:41 - 00:41:03]
Do you remember thinking, well, when you first watched it, do you remember wondering where that knife comes from? Because she talks about how it's a us army knife, 20 years, probably about 20 years old or so. Do you remember thinking, like, how the hell did an army knife from 20 years ago end up on this island or with these people? Because I don't. But I'm thinking about it now. 

Amanda:
[00:41:04 - 00:41:06]
It didn't just come from the plane. 

Kip:
[00:41:06 - 00:41:09]
No, because she found it on one of the guys. The others. 

Theresa:
[00:41:09 - 00:41:14]
Yeah, I think. I didn't even think about it. I just remember thinking, like. 

Amanda:
[00:41:15 - 00:41:31]
But it makes total sense. It makes total sense for her to be questioning it. And then what we learn out for the following five seasons. Four seasons, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, but it was really cool. 

Amanda:
[00:41:31 - 00:41:35]
Like I said, that scene. I just remember even now knowing exactly how it's going to end. 

Kip:
[00:41:35 - 00:41:37]
I know. It was so well, done. 

Theresa:
[00:41:37 - 00:41:37]
So tense. 

Kip:
[00:41:38 - 00:41:42]
It's funny that you questioned what fruit Anna Lucia was eating. 

Theresa:
[00:41:42 - 00:41:43]
What is it? 

Kip:
[00:41:43 - 00:41:46]
I don't know, but I was laughing at them. 

Amanda:
[00:41:48 - 00:41:50]
Yeah, I mean, hey, desperate times, guys. 

Kip:
[00:41:50 - 00:41:58]
But I was laughing at them cutting up that mango or whatever it was, and thinking, like, we always question, zero in on how and what they're eating. 

Amanda:
[00:41:58 - 00:42:12]
Well, even when I was watching, I was like, that doesn't look as ripe as it should. She was biting. I feel like it should be coming off the peel easier. I'm literally spending way too much time thinking about, it's a very red, ripe looking mango, but as she bites it, I think it should be juicier. 

Kip:
[00:42:12 - 00:42:15]
Yeah, it wasn't quite ripe, but again, for time. 

Theresa:
[00:42:15 - 00:42:19]
But it was a little green, a little bit. So it would be a little bit harder to get off the peel. 

Amanda:
[00:42:19 - 00:42:22]
It's just funny that these are the things that we focus on, honestly. 

Theresa:
[00:42:22 - 00:42:23]
Tell me, what is she eating? 

Kip:
[00:42:24 - 00:42:24]
I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:42:24 - 00:42:26]
Because it's a white bulb with green. 

Kip:
[00:42:26 - 00:42:29]
When is green onion sticking out of it? 

Amanda:
[00:42:29 - 00:42:32]
Maybe she just really likes onion. Kip would do that. 

Kip:
[00:42:32 - 00:42:35]
Yeah. You would eat a. I've done it before. 

Theresa:
[00:42:35 - 00:42:38]
Green onions don't grow out of a bulb, do they? 

Kip:
[00:42:38 - 00:42:39]
Sometimes. 

Theresa:
[00:42:39 - 00:42:40]
Do they? 

Kip:
[00:42:40 - 00:42:41]
Maybe. 

Theresa:
[00:42:41 - 00:42:48]
And, like, she eats so quietly. There's no crumbs. It's so. No, no. 

Kip:
[00:42:48 - 00:42:51]
Oh, kitties, what happened to your ears? 

Amanda:
[00:42:51 - 00:42:52]
She's like, stop. 

Theresa:
[00:42:52 - 00:42:53]
Oh, my God. 

Kip:
[00:42:53 - 00:42:55]
You don't like. No, why? 

Amanda:
[00:42:55 - 00:42:57]
Oh, my God. That's why she doesn't like onions. 

Theresa:
[00:42:57 - 00:42:58]
Oh, my God. 

Amanda:
[00:42:58 - 00:42:59]
I hate the sound. 

Theresa:
[00:42:59 - 00:43:00]
I hate the sound they make when you bite into that. 

Kip:
[00:43:00 - 00:43:01]
It's just a crunch. 

Theresa:
[00:43:01 - 00:43:02]
No, it's not. 

Amanda:
[00:43:02 - 00:43:04]
It's a very specific crunch. 

Theresa:
[00:43:04 - 00:43:10]
It's like a really messed up, like Jasper grease or apple gone wrong. 

Kip:
[00:43:10 - 00:43:11]
Apple. 

Amanda:
[00:43:11 - 00:43:17]
That's actually how I referred onions apple gone wrong. It's like girls gone wild, but apple gone wrong. 

Theresa:
[00:43:17 - 00:43:19]
I just can't. 

Kip:
[00:43:19 - 00:43:20]
Onions apple's gone wrong. 

Theresa:
[00:43:20 - 00:43:26]
To be fair, I have mesophonia that certain sounds trigger unpleasant response. 

Kip:
[00:43:26 - 00:43:32]
Okay, fair enough. They found the glass eye. We know whose that is. Do we? I do. 

Kip:
[00:43:32 - 00:43:42]
Don't you remember? I'll beep this out. But it's. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:43:42 - 00:43:46]
So I might as well be watching this for the first, apparently. 

Amanda:
[00:43:46 - 00:43:48]
Well, there's a lot, though. 

Kip:
[00:43:48 - 00:43:49]
Yeah, there is a lot. 

Theresa:
[00:43:49 - 00:43:50]
Oh, man. 

Kip:
[00:43:51 - 00:43:55]
I didn't think she was wrong to dismiss the transmission, given what they've gone through. 

Theresa:
[00:43:55 - 00:43:55]
Correct. 

Kip:
[00:43:55 - 00:43:59]
Of course. We know that it was legit. 

Amanda:
[00:43:59 - 00:44:11]
But the only thing is about that scene. I love that scene. I agree completely. What I think was a missed opportunity was for when she was like, there are no survivors for Bernard to be like. That's probably what they're saying about. 

Amanda:
[00:44:12 - 00:44:13]
That's why. 

Theresa:
[00:44:13 - 00:44:29]
But that's why I wonder if she had someone that she hoped was alive, would she be this dismissive? Because probably had a lot of hope. Like, he was like, no, he said 815. That's our whatever. And she was very quick to dismiss it, which. 

Theresa:
[00:44:29 - 00:44:36]
Fair enough. But I do wonder if she had someone on the plate also. So many solo travellers. 

Amanda:
[00:44:37 - 00:44:38]
So many solo travellers. 

Kip:
[00:44:38 - 00:44:39]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:44:39 - 00:44:40]
So strange. 

Kip:
[00:44:40 - 00:44:42]
That's not that common, I don't think. 

Theresa:
[00:44:42 - 00:44:43]
No. I don't know. 

Amanda:
[00:44:43 - 00:44:45]
A lot of people, especially Sydney. 

Kip:
[00:44:45 - 00:44:47]
Most people are going to be coupled up. 

Theresa:
[00:44:47 - 00:44:47]
Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:44:47 - 00:45:02]
Or with friends or even Nathan's explanation. That's what I mean. I was with the company thing and, yeah, maybe some would stay behind, but he's the only one who stayed behind and got on that plane. I can see why that was a little bit hard to accept also. 

Theresa:
[00:45:02 - 00:45:05]
What? Who does he work for? And can I work for them? 

Kip:
[00:45:05 - 00:45:09]
Yeah. Company retreat from Canada to Sydney, Australia. 

Theresa:
[00:45:09 - 00:45:10]
Yeah. No kidding. 

Kip:
[00:45:10 - 00:45:22]
Please. But I really liked her when she said, this is our life now. Get used to it. Like, I actually legit love that line. I think it's so powerful, but just like, it's so. 

Kip:
[00:45:22 - 00:45:25]
Just like, fuck off. This is our life. 

Amanda:
[00:45:25 - 00:45:26]
We live here now. 

Kip:
[00:45:26 - 00:45:28]
We live here now. 

Amanda:
[00:45:28 - 00:45:30]
I almost said that on my hike yesterday. 

Kip:
[00:45:30 - 00:45:31]
We live here now. 

Theresa:
[00:45:32 - 00:45:37]
When she says that, I'm like, yes, but what is our game plan? Are we going to build a shelter? 

Kip:
[00:45:37 - 00:45:40]
But they're in pure survivor mode, though. 

Theresa:
[00:45:40 - 00:45:45]
Running. Oh, no, I know, but I'm just kind of like. When someone says, this is our life now, is it like this running? 

Kip:
[00:45:46 - 00:45:50]
This is their life. That's what she means. It's just trying to survive and ignoring. 

Amanda:
[00:45:50 - 00:46:12]
So scary. And I think she was trying to say, I think in one way it's also like, maybe you're right. Maybe those are like, as much as she's like, there are no survivors, et cetera. I think her being like, this is our life now is her kind of way of saying, even if there are survivors, even if there are people over there, we can't trust it. This is the reality we live in now. 

Kip:
[00:46:13 - 00:46:19]
Yeah. We may never get over there. We may never find out because we literally don't know if we're going to live each night. 

Amanda:
[00:46:19 - 00:46:20]
Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:46:20 - 00:46:44]
It's so sad. And sometimes I forget how far the two parts of the plane were from each other until I see that map that you have or whatever because in my mind, when something splits in half, like one is here and one is here, and you should be able to see, but falling from God knows how many feet in the air, obviously, it's. 

Amanda:
[00:46:44 - 00:47:14]
Also interesting, because when you think about all they've been through versus what the fronties have been through, it's not even just what they've been through that's the difference. It's that level of hope that exists because they have, like you said, bernard is the only one who has someone to be looking for. But on the fronty side, you have a pregnant Claire giving birth to this baby. That represents that. You have jack able to help people. 

Amanda:
[00:47:15 - 00:47:32]
You have him being able to find glasses for Sawyer. You have them finding water. You have locke who can hunt boar. It's not just that less terrible things have happened to them, it's that they have these glimpses of hope, and the dailies have literally nothing. 

Theresa:
[00:47:32 - 00:47:39]
Zero, zip. And any hope they do have, there's just doubt so much through it. It's so sad. 

Kip:
[00:47:40 - 00:47:52]
So going back to the scene with echo and Ana Lucia, where he talks and she cries, what's the significance of 40 days? Like, why did he wait 40 days? 

Theresa:
[00:47:53 - 00:47:55]
He's religious. 

Kip:
[00:47:55 - 00:47:56]
But what does that mean, though? 

Amanda:
[00:47:56 - 00:48:00]
It's like a mourning period, right? An atonement period. 

Kip:
[00:48:01 - 00:48:03]
I think you said religion. 

Amanda:
[00:48:04 - 00:48:11]
Even in your religion, the 40 days after someone dies is really important. Right? Don't you guys honour that? 

Kip:
[00:48:12 - 00:48:12]
Is it? 

Amanda:
[00:48:12 - 00:48:13]
It's just a question. 

Kip:
[00:48:13 - 00:48:13]
Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:48:13 - 00:48:15]
I'm trying to think. 

Amanda:
[00:48:15 - 00:48:17]
I think. Isn't the 40 days important? 

Kip:
[00:48:17 - 00:48:26]
Did we see, though, what was. I'm going to Google written into his staff yet? Because I know we do find out. It's like Bible verses. 

Theresa:
[00:48:26 - 00:48:26]
I don't think so. 

Kip:
[00:48:26 - 00:48:31]
But I don't think yet. So I don't think we know he's religious yet. That must be the first. 

Theresa:
[00:48:31 - 00:48:31]
The Bible. 

Kip:
[00:48:31 - 00:48:34]
He's like, oh, right, the Bible. 

Theresa:
[00:48:34 - 00:48:36]
Touching it and 40 days. 

Kip:
[00:48:36 - 00:48:44]
I figured it was something biblical. I just don't remember what. Honestly, I'm like, the 40 days and 40 nights. That sounds like something. 

Amanda:
[00:48:45 - 00:48:55]
The 40th day after. This is just Wikipedia. I just googled 40th day after death. It's a traditional memorial service, family gathering, ceremony and ritual in memory of the departed. On the 40th day. 

Amanda:
[00:48:56 - 00:48:58]
It's eastern orthodox. 

Kip:
[00:48:58 - 00:49:15]
I'm googling 40 days in the Bible. Well, Moses stays on Mount Sinai for 40 days and nights. Before his temptation, Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights. 40 days was the period from the resurrection of Jesus to the ascension of. So 40 is everywhere. 

Amanda:
[00:49:15 - 00:49:26]
Yeah, I think that either way, if you take it, it means it's commemorating that moment, I think, of all of. 

Kip:
[00:49:26 - 00:49:31]
The death, especially because it was right after he killed those two people. Yes, Teresa. 

Theresa:
[00:49:31 - 00:49:46]
Okay, 40 days. Could refer to a few. This is from the lost pdf, could refer to a few biblical stories. Old Testament Torah. After the flood, Noah and the ark adrift for 40 days and 40 nights before land was seen again. 

Theresa:
[00:49:46 - 00:50:08]
The New Testament and gospel. Jesus roaming the desert for 40 days or the 40 years the Hebrews wandered in the desert before coming to the promised land. And then some say, actually, the 40 days is probably a reference to lent in which some christians fast for 40 days. Echo probably used this as a symbol for his repentance. 

Amanda:
[00:50:08 - 00:50:14]
That's actually because he's repenting for the evils that he did. 

Kip:
[00:50:14 - 00:50:15]
That makes the most sense. 

Amanda:
[00:50:15 - 00:50:20]
Good for him. Good for him. He had to do that, though. He had to kill those people. 

Theresa:
[00:50:20 - 00:50:24]
Yeah, it was him or. No, there was no option there. 

Amanda:
[00:50:24 - 00:50:27]
I'm glad he takes it seriously of life. 

Kip:
[00:50:27 - 00:50:31]
They were going to take the strongest first, as Goodwin points out. 

Theresa:
[00:50:31 - 00:50:35]
Yeah, he was too, on the, like, well, this is what they did. 

Amanda:
[00:50:35 - 00:50:45]
But the thing is at that point. So I have a lot of thoughts on that because I feel like he didn't start out that way. If anything, he was very, like, on Annalucia's ass. Like, being like, yes, I agree. And this and that. 

Amanda:
[00:50:45 - 00:50:50]
And he was not a contrarian. No, I feel like at that point he knew. She knew. 

Kip:
[00:50:50 - 00:50:52]
Oh, when she started questioning him. 

Amanda:
[00:50:52 - 00:51:08]
Yeah, I think he was just at that point being himself and being. Know, maybe they stop when they realise that it was getting two of their people killed. I think all of that's true. I think that was just him actually speaking candidly now. Because I don't think he sees it as them attacking them. 

Kip:
[00:51:08 - 00:51:16]
No, because we do find out eventually what the plan was from the other side of things and. Yeah, no, they don't see it that way. 

Amanda:
[00:51:17 - 00:51:18]
You'll get there. 

Theresa:
[00:51:18 - 00:51:29]
I'm watching this from the beginning. And how do you guys feel about just talking about how Echo killed those two people and then repented? How do you feel about Annalissia having killed that girl? 

Kip:
[00:51:29 - 00:51:31]
What girl? Oh, the other. 

Theresa:
[00:51:31 - 00:51:35]
The other. And like, just. Well, I mean, self defence. 

Kip:
[00:51:36 - 00:51:49]
I saw a spoiler, but she is a police officer. That's her job. She's a cop from LA. And that's not a spoiler because it's not like it's some big mystery or anything. We find that out very quickly. 

Amanda:
[00:51:49 - 00:52:04]
She's a police officer, so killing people is not. I think what she struggles with and what you'll see with Shannon and even, I think with Goodwin, is killing people that either shouldn't have, especially. 

Kip:
[00:52:04 - 00:52:04]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:52:05 - 00:52:07]
Or she cries after Goodwin. 

Theresa:
[00:52:07 - 00:52:07]
Right. 

Amanda:
[00:52:07 - 00:52:25]
And I think that at that point, she's just, like, literally, she thought it was Nathan. She was wrong. She's led them down this. I don't think she's just crying because she killed Goodwin. I think it's because of everything that killing, getting to the point of killing Goodwin and it being Goodwin, that is what she's like. 

Amanda:
[00:52:25 - 00:52:27]
It's just like that emotional dam as birth. 

Kip:
[00:52:27 - 00:52:32]
Yeah, for sure. Because for a long time, she did kind of see Goodwin as, like, her comrade. 

Amanda:
[00:52:32 - 00:52:37]
I also almost felt like there's, like, a bit of a romantic twinkle there, too. 

Kip:
[00:52:37 - 00:52:43]
Wow. When he was looking at her, when he woke up that morning, that was terrifying. She woke up and he was just staring at her. 

Theresa:
[00:52:44 - 00:52:47]
If I woke up next to someone who was just staring at me, and. 

Kip:
[00:52:47 - 00:52:49]
He'S like, good morning. 

Amanda:
[00:52:49 - 00:52:49]
I'd be like. 

Theresa:
[00:52:49 - 00:53:09]
And nor, I will say, though, echo looks like a fantastic cuddler. When he was comforting Annalucia, I was like, I would love to be comforted by that. Like, he's so strong, so wise. 

Kip:
[00:53:09 - 00:53:13]
Yeah, well, you know, I don't know what to tell you. 

Theresa:
[00:53:13 - 00:53:15]
Priorities. So strong, so wise. 

Kip:
[00:53:16 - 00:53:47]
So, yeah, like, we get to the end, which we know what happens when she shoots Shannon. Shannon. And again, this helps validate, I think, that action, which we already felt was validated based on the whispers, and they just lost Cindy, and everything was totally going, like, tits up. So to see then also everything that they'd been through in the past 48 days, she's on edge, and it makes sense. They're hearing whispers, and this woman just pops out of the woods. 

Kip:
[00:53:47 - 00:54:00]
It's like, bang. But then the look between said and her, and you're right, Amanda, she does feel very differently about the killing of Shannon versus the killing of that other lady from the first few nights. 

Theresa:
[00:54:00 - 00:54:18]
Two questions. Question one. Do you think it would be more impactful if we hadn't seen the whispers and stuff like that in the last episode and they held it off for this episode, all we see is Shannon go into the jungle, and then we hear a. 

Amanda:
[00:54:18 - 00:54:24]
Don't we kind of see that in the first. Isn't the third episode that we see Shannon get killed in? 

Kip:
[00:54:24 - 00:54:26]
Yeah, I think so. 

Amanda:
[00:54:26 - 00:54:37]
I think we see her get killed in the first one, and we don't see it. And I'm not sure we even really know it was Anna Lucia necessarily do we know it was Anna's? Okay, I'm pretty sure I could be wrong. 

Kip:
[00:54:37 - 00:54:40]
I think you're right. It's the third time. 

Amanda:
[00:54:40 - 00:54:44]
I think we see her get shot without any context at all, and that's that impactful one of, like, what the hell just happened. 

Theresa:
[00:54:44 - 00:54:45]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:54:45 - 00:54:54]
Then we see their journey there, because the first episode we see Shannon is when Shannon is with Walt and freaking out, and she goes into the thing that's abandoned. 

Kip:
[00:54:54 - 00:54:57]
That's the same one. No, it is the same one. 

Theresa:
[00:54:58 - 00:55:18]
That's why I'm wondering if maybe we had chopped this montage out, take that chunk, put it in this chunk instead. Maybe then it would be a little bit more impactful, because the end of this episode just falls flat for me. The other thing is, it doesn't give. 

Amanda:
[00:55:18 - 00:55:19]
Us anything more than we don't already have. 

Kip:
[00:55:19 - 00:55:21]
Exactly. There's nothing new. 

Theresa:
[00:55:21 - 00:55:28]
But do you guys remember if they've ever heard the whispers before that, like, the Taylor's? No. 

Kip:
[00:55:28 - 00:55:29]
Not that we know of. No. 

Theresa:
[00:55:30 - 00:55:30]
Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:55:30 - 00:55:35]
I think that's part of why it's freaking them out. I think the whispers are kind of in that area. 

Kip:
[00:55:35 - 00:55:36]
They must be. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:55:36 - 00:55:40]
Right. Like, I think they're kind of like. Because Saeed sees them when he's in that kind of jungley area, too. 

Theresa:
[00:55:40 - 00:55:41]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:55:41 - 00:55:42]
Or sees them. You know what I mean? 

Kip:
[00:55:42 - 00:55:45]
Hears them, and someone else does, too. 

Amanda:
[00:55:46 - 00:55:47]
Charlie. 

Kip:
[00:55:47 - 00:55:57]
Charlie or Sawyer or somebody does. Because they go to talk. Isn't it Sawyer? Because he goes to talk to said about it. So he kind of brushes him off, and Sawyer gets all pissy about it. 

Amanda:
[00:55:57 - 00:55:59]
You had two questions. 

Theresa:
[00:55:59 - 00:56:00]
That was two questions. 

Kip:
[00:56:00 - 00:56:01]
Was it? 

Theresa:
[00:56:01 - 00:56:09]
Did the taylors hear the whispers before? Would it be more impactful if we took the end of the last episode, put it in this episode, and got rid of that whole montage situation? 

Kip:
[00:56:11 - 00:56:14]
Well, I'm ready to hear how these rankings go. 

Amanda:
[00:56:15 - 00:56:20]
Me too. I want to see Anna Lucia killing Shannon. If that's changed now that, you know her backstory, her tragic backs. 

Kip:
[00:56:20 - 00:56:21]
Yeah. I really want to know these. 

Theresa:
[00:56:21 - 00:56:39]
All right, so at number 16, we have our usual Michael with negative 1085. Then we have Kate with negative 280. Then the top 14, we have Des with 60. Anna Lucia 170. 

Kip:
[00:56:39 - 00:56:39]
Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:56:40 - 00:56:54]
Walt 240. Libby 305. Charlie 330. Then number nine is Jack with 660. Then it's Claire with 740. 

Theresa:
[00:56:54 - 00:57:08]
Then we have Mr. Echo with 815. Then we have Sawyer with 830. Top five is locke with 1030. Jin has 1075. 

Theresa:
[00:57:08 - 00:57:15]
Sayed has 1185. Hurley has 1385. And our queen son has 1510. 

Kip:
[00:57:18 - 00:57:22]
Echo sure started off with a bang. I guess he's been in a couple of episodes now. 

Amanda:
[00:57:22 - 00:57:26]
You know what surprises me? There's not that many people in the negatives. 

Kip:
[00:57:26 - 00:57:26]
No. 

Amanda:
[00:57:27 - 00:57:29]
People are really gaining. 

Theresa:
[00:57:29 - 00:57:40]
They are. I feel a little bit bad for Michael because he hasn't been in a lot of episodes since they got caught. 

Kip:
[00:57:40 - 00:57:45]
Well, no, he's been in them all. 

Theresa:
[00:57:46 - 00:57:48]
Yeah, but not enough. Not doing anything, really. 

Kip:
[00:57:48 - 00:57:49]
Oh, okay. 

Theresa:
[00:57:49 - 00:57:52]
Yeah, right. Like, he's always like, if it was. 

Amanda:
[00:57:52 - 00:57:54]
Michael, that's a double edged sword. Because if he was in it more. 

Kip:
[00:57:54 - 00:57:58]
He'D probably hurt himself and you'd be ranking him down. 

Amanda:
[00:57:59 - 00:58:02]
So him not being there is actually probably working. 

Theresa:
[00:58:05 - 00:58:07]
Theresa hates Michael. 

Kip:
[00:58:07 - 00:58:08]
You do? 

Amanda:
[00:58:09 - 00:58:10]
I like to own my hatred. 

Theresa:
[00:58:10 - 00:58:14]
I don't hate him. I just have issues with him. 

Amanda:
[00:58:15 - 00:58:16]
I hate Kate. 

Theresa:
[00:58:16 - 00:58:18]
We know Kate hate 88. 

Kip:
[00:58:18 - 00:58:18]
You hate Michael. 

Theresa:
[00:58:18 - 00:58:24]
Teresa. I don't like to hate. But you do care for him. 

Amanda:
[00:58:24 - 00:58:29]
I don't like to hate either. I wish Kate was better. But we feel what we feel for. 

Kip:
[00:58:29 - 00:58:31]
People and we move on and we own it. 

Theresa:
[00:58:32 - 00:58:34]
We remember and we let go. 

Kip:
[00:58:43 - 00:58:55]
All right, here we are at the end of the episode. Give our little. Own little ratings and rankings. I'll start. Oh, I didn't even think about this yet. 

Kip:
[00:58:55 - 00:59:11]
It's off the fly. I'm going to give it a 8.7. Like, it's good. It's really good. But that montage ending thing really just wrecked it for me. 

Kip:
[00:59:12 - 00:59:20]
Which is funny because 8.7 is a really fucking good rank rating. Didn't crack the nine for me. Because of that montage. 

Theresa:
[00:59:21 - 00:59:37]
I give it an 8.5. Yeah, honestly, it's that ending. Yeah, it really just, like I said, my stream really matches the vibe that I felt, which was like, oh, hell no. Oh, hell no. Oh, man. 

Theresa:
[00:59:37 - 00:59:50]
And then, you know what I mean? It's just the medley of sounds that reflect my feelings. And it's that montage with the end that we already know what's going to happen. It just could have been better. 

Amanda:
[00:59:50 - 01:00:05]
I'm going to give this episode a 8.7 as well. I think it slightly comes in. I use the kind of the IMDb rating as kind of a guidepost for. I think it was very good. I like the montage. 

Amanda:
[01:00:06 - 01:00:27]
I do think that was a good way to do it. When I reflect more on it, though, I do think that there was maybe a better way to do it. This is what I mean. I'm open to hearing stuff because when I hear you guys talk about and say, like, the tone of it really, uh, disingenuous and things like that, I get it. So I do think I did like it in the moment, but I can see and accept the criticisms. 

Amanda:
[01:00:27 - 01:00:52]
I really like seeing that side, and to me, that any kind of negative of this episode is really made up for in that scene between Goodwin and Anna Lucia, I think. I'm not a big Anna Lucia fan. I don't like her that much going forward. I don't really like Michelle Rodriguez, but I will have credit where credits do. That's a phenomenally acted and written and directed scene, and I really enjoy it. 

Amanda:
[01:00:52 - 01:01:03]
And I think those kind of moments, that's what lost was kind of revolutionary for at the time. You didn't see scenes built and structured like that on network television in 2005. You just didn't. 

Theresa:
[01:01:04 - 01:01:05]
No. 

Kip:
[01:01:05 - 01:01:09]
Those montages. That's how I knew it. Was it my guy, Jack Bender, I just knew it. 

Amanda:
[01:01:09 - 01:01:10]
Jack would never. 

Kip:
[01:01:10 - 01:01:12]
He would never have done it that way. 

Theresa:
[01:01:12 - 01:01:14]
He probably wouldn't have, to be honest. 

Kip:
[01:01:14 - 01:01:31]
Well, thanks tuning in again and listening to let's get lost. Please follow us on our social media platforms at let'sgetloss pod like us and download podcasts wherever you find them. And please rate us and keep listening. 

Amanda:
[01:01:31 - 01:01:32]
Bye.