Theresa:
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We're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking, but even more so, we love talking about lost. So join us for some laughs, good conversation, and let's get lost together. You. Well, welcome back to the let's get Lost podcast with your favourite three people. I assume we're your favourites. 

Theresa:
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I'm here with Kipper. 

Kip:
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Hi, Hessie. 

Amanda:
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Hello. 

Theresa:
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And I should guess maybe I shouldn't use the nicknames Kip, Amanda. And then I'm here to Theresa. 

Kip:
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Well, Kippy, pretty close to. 

Amanda:
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Did you say you're here to Teresa? 

Kip:
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Yeah, you're here to Teresa. 

Amanda:
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I'm here to be Teresa. To do Teresa. Like, to be that character. 

Kip:
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Are you Teresa? 

Theresa:
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At first I thought you were suggesting that I do myself, and I was. 

Amanda:
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Like, I think this is a family, like. 

Kip:
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And also Theresa and me is not a grammar podcast. 

Theresa:
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And that's rich coming from the girl who can't figure out the then and then. 

Amanda:
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I'm working on it. 

Theresa:
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You know what the one that's really weird is? Well, and while I write, well, like W-E-L-L. 

Amanda:
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When I mean while. 

Kip:
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Oh, no. 

Theresa:
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Right. 

Amanda:
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That's not even the same to me, though. So when I'm tight, I'm very phonetic when I write. That's why the then and thens, I say then for both. I'm told that then is a comparative yes. And then is the other one. 

Theresa:
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Follow. 

Amanda:
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Follow. 

Kip:
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All right, well, let's get into the why we're here, shall we? 

Theresa:
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Absolutely. Heckens. 

Amanda:
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Yeah. 

Theresa:
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Kipper, do you want to give us brief synopsis? 

Kip:
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All right. We're here today to talk about season two, episode eight, collision, written by heavier Grigio Markswatch and Leonard Dick. Directed by Stephen Williams. The grief stricken said is captured and tied up by the tales when he seeks to avenge Shannon's death. A flashback sheds light on Annalusia's past as the rest of the party leaves to rejoin the other survivors. 

Kip:
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Annalusia is left behind with said and a loaded gun. 

Theresa:
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Too much. 

Amanda:
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Too much, as always. 

Kip:
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Well, I don't think that's too much. 

Amanda:
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Left on some ambiguity. 

Kip:
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Yeah, but I don't like that it. 

Amanda:
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Tells you that the rest of them leave. 

Theresa:
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Yeah, that's what I mean. 

Amanda:
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At one point, they're left alone and. 

Theresa:
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Yeah, you don't need to say where they went. 

Amanda:
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Where did they go? 

Kip:
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No, where did they go? All right, I'm going to give you some facts and trivia. Okay. Collision IMDb rating 8.6 out of ten. A little bit down from last week. 

Kip:
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19.29 million viewers down from last week. Sawyer nickname count still at zero. Same as last week. 

Amanda:
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He is very unconscious. 

Kip:
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I thought they might sneak one in. And we're on day 48 still. 

Amanda:
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For a long time. 

Kip:
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Yeah, we have been on time on. 

Amanda:
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The island for like three episodes. It would be kind of funny if Sawyer just woke up randomly when he's getting help and he's just like, what's happening, freckles? Or like, I don't know. 

Theresa:
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Yeah, I thought he was going to say a nickname when she was like, do it for me and be like, okay, freckles. 

Kip:
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I can't wait to talk about that scene. Okay, here's some trivia for you. The episode is directed by Stephen Williams, who had directed three episodes prior to this one and went on to become one of lost's most prolific directors. How many episodes of Lost did he direct? 

Amanda:
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15. 

Kip:
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Incorrect. 

Theresa:
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Walt? 42. 

Amanda:
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No, it's not a sitcom. 

Kip:
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That's too many. 

Theresa:
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Oh, in the season? 

Kip:
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No, in the series. 

Theresa:
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How many episodes are in the series? 

Kip:
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Well, she's not far off. There's like 22 episodes in the first three seasons. Yeah, that would be a lot. 1825. Quite a bit. 

Amanda:
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That's almost like a quarter. 

Kip:
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Yeah, that's like one full season and then some quarter. 

Amanda:
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They're like 118. 

Theresa:
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Isn't there like six seasons? 

Amanda:
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Yeah, but they don't all have 22. 

Theresa:
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No, the final falls off at the end. 

Kip:
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Yeah, the final few had. Not as many. 

Amanda:
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The last one I had is like 16 or something. 

Kip:
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Yeah. Okay. How old was Michelle Rodriguez when she joined the cast of Lost? 

Amanda:
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Like 24. 

Kip:
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Close, but not right, Walt? 

Theresa:
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Yeah, 23. 

Kip:
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Incorrect. 

Theresa:
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I just keep using the numbers. 

Kip:
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26. 

Amanda:
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She looks like. There was one scene, I think, the raid at the end with her and Jack where she looks so young to me and just like such a baby and so shy. 

Theresa:
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Like a wee bayern. 

Amanda:
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Yeah. 

Kip:
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I was like, oh, yeah, 26. Seems really young for the characters because I hardened cop. And I see Jack is like in his late 30s, maybe. I'm off. 

Theresa:
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Yeah, that's what I. 

Kip:
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Okay, I have one more. The actor who played Annalucia's psychiatrist, besides being an actor, has another job in entertainment. What is it? 

Amanda:
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Is he a director? 

Kip:
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No. 

Theresa:
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Walt. 

Kip:
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Walt. 

Theresa:
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Comedian. 

Kip:
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Yeah, that's right. 

Amanda:
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We're all just so impressed. 

Kip:
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How'd you get that? 

Theresa:
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I don't know. 

Amanda:
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He looked kind of like a comedian. 

Kip:
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But he was in such a serious role. 

Theresa:
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I don't know. Maybe I've seen him before. 

Kip:
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I don't know. Way to go. 

Theresa:
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I just assumed. Comedian. 

Kip:
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Okay, good. 

Theresa:
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I feel good about that. 

Kip:
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Yeah. Theresa, one manda, zero for this episode. 

Amanda:
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That's fair. Yeah, these are toughies. 

Kip:
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These are toughies. 

Theresa:
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They are. Your trivia is like, real think level, real thinkers. 

Amanda:
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All right, I think we know what time it is for Teresa's stream of consciousness. 

Theresa:
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Also, but also, I did it on paper today, so we might hear some flipping of my little bb. 

Amanda:
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What? Some rustling of papers. 

Theresa:
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Yeah, some rustling of my page. Turn in my little baby legal pad. It's so cute. Episode eight, collision. 42 f for old Jack. 

Theresa:
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Oh, I forgot that she was chasing Walt when she died. Creepy. Ooh, said's gonna kill you. Oh, and it's an analysia flashback. Oh, she has a partner. 

Theresa:
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Explains the ring on her finger. 

Amanda:
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Maybe. 

Theresa:
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Ma'am, you gotta open up for more for therapy to work. Ooh, four months. Oh, she's a. You know, this fight between them was inevitable. But good on you, Mike, for trying to stop it. 

Theresa:
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What is Annalusia doing? This is no bueno. God, I love echo. Stop pointing the gun around. My God, aren't you all on the same team? 

Theresa:
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Oh, dear. You shouldn't work with family. But also, respect what your mom captain says. Also, don't give in. Don't give in to her. 

Theresa:
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She's being a no no. She's spoiled. That's fantastic. Jack, that water looks really unclean. Look, they even have bowls on this side. 

Theresa:
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That poor other group who polluted the water with this golf ball. God, these peeps. Okay, but why are Kate's arms kind of fire, though? I'm jealous. I don't really get golf, but I like mini golf. 

Theresa:
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Look at them flirt over golf and holes. I get her fear, but this makes you look hostile. Anna, you know Eka has the right idea. Go see the doctor, please. She's so stubborn. 

Theresa:
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Oh, dear. It should be a slow return to work. Not like this. Wait, why is the baby triggering to her? Oh, man. 

Theresa:
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I feel bad for her, but this isn't the way to do it. It was an accident. Good for you, Michael. Way to give him water. Sayed's still a human. 

Theresa:
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That's a nice swing, Kate, with your jacked ass. Um, Jack, where were you aiming? What were you looking at? Which holes were you thinking about? You know what? 

Theresa:
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I will give points in this game. Hey, Kate, what's wrong? Oh, that's terrifying. Echo's so strong. Oh, my God. 

Theresa:
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Also drippy Sawyer in the dang. Um. I like that they brought Echo with them. I'll be honest. I don't really care about anything other than this impending Rose and Bernard getting back together thing. 

Theresa:
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Rude of honour. Lucia. To throw in their face that she kept them alive. Rude. You know, this feels kind of like one of those old timey bank robberies where things start to spiral and get out of control. 

Theresa:
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I'm liking the camaraderie between Mike and Jin. Like bros, they always have each other's back. Oh, my God. Remember low rise jeans? My God. 

Theresa:
[00:09:07 - 00:09:19]
They left Shannon just lying there. You know, she was my favourite, but she deserves better. Kate, you were literally flirting with Jack 2 seconds ago. Now you're all over Sawyer. She wants to take a hair of him so bad. 

Theresa:
[00:09:19 - 00:09:34]
But poor Jack, he has to watch it. Oh, it's sweet that Sawyer did it for her though. She's seriously cuddling so hard. Would be cute if not for this stupid love triangle. Let's just end this hostage situation and reunite Bernard and Rose. 

Theresa:
[00:09:34 - 00:09:45]
At least she let them go finally. But like, let's just get there already. Echo, Jack's already angry. He's always angry. And here's Mikey, though. 

Theresa:
[00:09:45 - 00:09:57]
How about we don't bring guns? It was an accident. Let's just all calm down. Did Mike just say yes, sir to Jack? Jack is such a mindfuck. 

Theresa:
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Way to diffuse this sitch though, Echo. It's all you, bro. Also, why is Anna playing with the gun like that? It's weird and really threatening and. Oh my God, sayed's terrifying. 

Theresa:
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Oh my God. It was him. That know, maybe you shouldn't take things into your own hands though. Please don't. Oh, she's pregnant. 

Theresa:
[00:10:16 - 00:10:26]
Hence the baby trigger. I get know that's pretty brutal. But now you're a straight up killer. Again. Why so menacing? 

Theresa:
[00:10:27 - 00:10:40]
Maybe we just let him be. He's not going to kill you. He was upset and he'd rather put his energy into taking her back than waste all of his time on you. Annalucia. And home is where the heart is, Kate. 

Theresa:
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Interesting. Oh, look, it's Vincent. You know, it says a lot about Brian that Vincent loves Mike's this much. Oh my God. Everyone's reuniting and I have chills. 

Theresa:
[00:10:50 - 00:11:07]
And the only moments we care about are obviously Rose and Bernard and Jen and son. You can tell that it's getting intense because I'm writing like five words per page at this point. Where's Bernard? This is the love of a lifetime. Look how sweet they are. 

Theresa:
[00:11:07 - 00:11:19]
Where's my Bernard? God, this is sad, man. I'm lonely. Also, is no one concerned about how Michael and Jen are back and that the kid's not there? Of course. 

Theresa:
[00:11:19 - 00:11:33]
We will dichotomize this with said and Shannon. As much as I don't believe in this relationship, it's still really sad. Oh, great. Are we trying to throw Annalissia into the Cac sait mix? The end. 

Amanda:
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Very good. 

Kip:
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I forgot about Brian. 

Amanda:
[00:11:43 - 00:11:44]
Yes. 

Kip:
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His name was totally forgot about Brian. 

Amanda:
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Sure was Brian. I also kind of forgot about Walt. 

Theresa:
[00:11:52 - 00:11:57]
But you see him at the beginning of the episode in the flashback or like in the previously. I skipped. 

Kip:
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Yeah. Walt is not top of mind. 

Amanda:
[00:12:03 - 00:12:03]
No. 

Theresa:
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For anyone. No one has yelled Walt in a while. And I think Michael, he's like gaining points now because he's actually not as annoying. 

Kip:
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Michael or Walt? 

Theresa:
[00:12:14 - 00:12:15]
Michael. 

Kip:
[00:12:15 - 00:12:15]
Michael. 

Amanda:
[00:12:15 - 00:12:27]
I will say it was cute that said asked, like right away where Walt was. Yeah, no, that's. A lot happens in this. Just. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:12:27 - 00:12:28]
Not a big fan. 

Theresa:
[00:12:28 - 00:12:29]
No. 

Kip:
[00:12:29 - 00:12:31]
I get the sense that you're not a fan. 

Theresa:
[00:12:31 - 00:12:34]
No, I wasn't that excited or enthused. 

Kip:
[00:12:34 - 00:12:36]
I kind of get the sense you're not either. 

Amanda:
[00:12:36 - 00:12:38]
I don't like Annalusia. 

Kip:
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Why? 

Amanda:
[00:12:39 - 00:12:42]
Because I think that she's insane. 

Kip:
[00:12:42 - 00:12:43]
Why? 

Amanda:
[00:12:43 - 00:13:03]
Because. Yes. Said acted quite clearly out of instinct that at the beginning there, he does go to attack them. I understand that. And Echo does have to stop him, but it's very clear that he's just reacting emotionally. 

Amanda:
[00:13:03 - 00:13:25]
And I think she goes nuts after and turning on Libby and Bernard and all this stuff. I get that she's panicking. I get that she is scared. But what I don't like is then when you learn, because it's so hard when you're rewatching, right. Because we already knew she was a cop when this all happened, but I forgot. 

Amanda:
[00:13:25 - 00:13:53]
If you remember back to what it felt like, it is kind of shocking to learn, I think, that she's a police officer because you would think that even in a situation like that, she'd be able to keep her cool a little bit more. And the thing is, the more I learn about her throughout the episode, the less I feel for her. And I think that the idea is you're supposed to feel more, but the more that I'm watching, I'm like, no, she just doesn't. I'm not like, okay, she panicked. She's whatever. 

Amanda:
[00:13:53 - 00:14:16]
She's been through a lot, which is true. But it's like even when she has time to think rationally through things and react appropriately, she goes out of her way to react inappropriately. She should have kept that guy who shot her in jail and not decided to go and shoot and kill him herself. That was like methodically done. 

Theresa:
[00:14:16 - 00:14:18]
Yeah, that was messed up. 

Amanda:
[00:14:18 - 00:14:33]
So I don't feel that much for her knowing, like, oh, she accidentally shot Shannon, and all of this is just like a reaction to that. It's like no matter what she's doing or going through, she doesn't think clearly through things, and she thinks very selfishly. Similar to another one. 

Kip:
[00:14:34 - 00:15:05]
Yeah, I didn't get that read from it. I like Annalucia, and this episode reminded me that I think as a flawed character, of course, she's not perfect. None of them just. I find it interesting that there are so many haters for Annalucia and Kate when they are portrayed as imperfect characters, as everyone is, but there's this level of hatred for them that I don't really understand. I've always liked Anna Lucia. 

Kip:
[00:15:05 - 00:15:30]
I feel kind of shitty for. I guess I find it harder to. I've always found it harder to disassociate the character with the production. And I do feel bad for the actress Michelle Rodriguez, to come in and basically get this part where amongst some of her first scenes or interactions with the losties is she's killing one of them. Obviously, that's supposed to make us hate her, right? 

Kip:
[00:15:30 - 00:15:46]
Like, she kills Shannon, literally. The episode where we start to actually like Shannon, and it's like, it's sort of a raw deal. So how are you supposed to come back from that? It just seems really a shitty deal for the actress to come in and be like, okay, now you're going to be the villain immediately. 

Amanda:
[00:15:46 - 00:16:07]
Thing is, I don't hate her for shooting Shannon. No, I know Shannon's annoying or anything like that. I felt a lot when Shannon got killed. Like you said, you just start to kind of really. It does suck for Maggie Grace as well, because just as her character was getting a little bit of teeth to her and some depth, they're like, bye. 

Amanda:
[00:16:08 - 00:16:24]
So she didn't really get to go as far with that as she maybe could have. And I'm sure Maggie Grace is a fine. I think what I don't like is the way she reacts. I think Echo's reaction makes more sense. He's also quite guarded about the whole thing and protective. 

Amanda:
[00:16:24 - 00:16:54]
And now we're kind of getting into episode, which I guess is going to happen anyway, but when he decides he won't tie up said, and when he decides to go back with, like, he's not like, jack and Locke and them want all these answers and he's not giving them. He's not taking them back there. Right? Like, he's being, I think, smart about it being like, yes, there's going to be some emotional reactions yes, we have to be careful with that, but he's doing it in a way that makes more sense to me. 

Kip:
[00:16:54 - 00:17:02]
But that's also how he's been ever since we've got to know him. He's been this sort of reserved, guarded, strong man. 

Theresa:
[00:17:03 - 00:17:03]
Strong man. 

Kip:
[00:17:03 - 00:17:22]
And almost like a duality to Annalusia. For some reason, they connected on some level, as the leaders, quote, unquote. But they're very different characters or very different personalities, yet they still have connected with each other to have some sort of partnership bond. 

Amanda:
[00:17:22 - 00:17:55]
I will say I do think Anna Lucia gets a raw deal in this, and I do think I shouldn't say that I hate her. I don't hate her nearly as much as Kate. I think Kate makes a continuous series of bad choices, whereas I think Lucia, her trauma is obviously a lot more recent, and I think she's clearly very still working through it and wasn't working through it properly. She clearly just wanted to get back on the forest as quickly as possible so she could find that guy and kill him. 

Kip:
[00:17:55 - 00:18:17]
Yeah, for the island stuff. Hearing your stream of consciousness, I think those were all legitimate things you were saying, teresa. Clearly, it was made to make us question these things and go through all these similar feelings. But I guess I didn't feel as. I mean, she was scared. 

Kip:
[00:18:17 - 00:18:37]
I agree. She was clearly very scared. And then I think she got even more scared when Echo left, and she wasn't necessarily anticipating that. And then that's when she started to kind of overreact because she kind of lost her partner there. And I can understand you're getting these people essentially turning on you, and she's overreacting, turning on them. 

Kip:
[00:18:38 - 00:18:48]
She's not wanting to let said go because she's scared of what might happen, but she does get so, like, why are we hating on her for not getting there as fast as you would like? 

Amanda:
[00:18:48 - 00:19:16]
I think that I don't hate on her for that, as just what bothers me. And I think we're supposed to feel this way from the flashbacks. She clearly has impulse control issues, and she clearly is hotheaded, and I think that's what we're supposed to also take away is it is an accident. And I truly believe that she never would have purposely shot Shannon, and I don't even know that it was, like, negligent per. Like, I do truly believe it was the quintessential definition of an accident. 

Amanda:
[00:19:16 - 00:19:30]
But I think we're also supposed to glean from the flashbacks that she is quick to draw. Right. And for whatever reason, the trauma she had before she. Who knows exactly how long ago before she comes on the island, that is. I think it's probably not that long. 

Amanda:
[00:19:32 - 00:19:52]
I think that's basically what happens. And then she comes to, and then coupled with all of this stuff on island, it totally makes sense. And again, I don't take issue with that. And I don't even take issue with. I do think she comes around or whatever, but I just think that she's a very controlling, aggressive. 

Kip:
[00:19:52 - 00:20:17]
Well, she is. Yeah, that's very clear. I think, too, the way the episodes were spaced, it's easy to forget how much of a panic they all were when Shannon got shot because they had just lost Cindy. They were freaking out because Cindy just got taken. They were hearing the whispers, and because we had the other 48, and, yeah, they tried to kind of give us that flashback again and again. 

Kip:
[00:20:17 - 00:20:26]
It still doesn't hit the same as if we had just seen, like, this literally right after the fact. So we do lose that kind of emotional continuality. 

Amanda:
[00:20:26 - 00:21:15]
I want to talk more about all of Anna Lucia, but while we're just on the subject of whether we think she's treated fairly or not, I want to draw my attention to one thing that I actually think is entirely unfair, which is because you're like, she gets there eventually, and not everyone knows her story and this and that and all this stuff. Right. So not knowing the story and coming across what would be arguably the best part of this interaction so far, we have the most judgmental human being, Jack Shepard, just, like, staring her down, disappointed dad style. And it's like, you met her in the airport for five minutes, and you walk, and no one is tied up anymore. No one is fighting. 

Amanda:
[00:21:15 - 00:21:17]
No one has a gun on anyone. 

Kip:
[00:21:17 - 00:21:23]
The situation has been technically or not technically, but essentially resolved before he got there. 

Amanda:
[00:21:23 - 00:21:24]
De escalated. 

Kip:
[00:21:24 - 00:21:25]
De escalated. Yeah, that's the word. 

Amanda:
[00:21:25 - 00:21:44]
And he just comes in, and he's just like, that look he gives her at the end. I'm like, that's what I said earlier when I was like, she looks so young and sad. That's what I was talking about. Because she looks this mournful, and he's just like, what did you do? And it's like, you don't know anything that happened here, Jack, why are you so judgmental all the time? 

Theresa:
[00:21:44 - 00:21:54]
He's probably like, oh, man, not another woman I was kind of into who's killed someone. Jesus. I'm only into lady murderouses. Like, oh, my. 

Amanda:
[00:21:55 - 00:22:02]
Like, that is one person who we, at least when we come to hate her and the audience, we have a. 

Kip:
[00:22:02 - 00:22:04]
Lot more info, more recent. 

Amanda:
[00:22:04 - 00:22:17]
He's just kind of like, oh, no, Annalcia, what did you like? I don't know. It just made me laugh because I'm like, jack, you just literally don't even know what happened. Like, they're cool now, kinda. 

Kip:
[00:22:21 - 00:22:23]
Oh, boy. Oh, boy. 

Theresa:
[00:22:24 - 00:22:25]
Oh, no. 

Kip:
[00:22:26 - 00:22:38]
What else? Let me look at my little notes here. Of course, they kind of hammer home that playing golf again, of how kind of frivolous the frontees are. 

Theresa:
[00:22:38 - 00:22:40]
They have the best. 

Amanda:
[00:22:40 - 00:22:44]
Well, I shouldn't say the best, but. 

Theresa:
[00:22:46 - 00:22:51]
They have just such a better situation. They have water, they have bowls. 

Amanda:
[00:22:51 - 00:23:00]
But. Yeah, you're right, because it's not even just the golf. That whole beach scene is like, we see Jack getting like, fresh water. Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:23:00 - 00:23:02]
Rainwater collection or whatever. 

Amanda:
[00:23:02 - 00:23:08]
And then these mangoes that are clearly really good. They're not even just like, mango. Like very beautifully ripe, juicy mango. 

Theresa:
[00:23:08 - 00:23:11]
They're cut properly. And she just. 

Kip:
[00:23:11 - 00:23:13]
Yeah, they're living like Gilligan's island. 

Amanda:
[00:23:14 - 00:23:17]
The only issue Jack has is that he ate with his mouth full. 

Kip:
[00:23:17 - 00:23:20]
Jack talked with his. 

Amanda:
[00:23:22 - 00:23:29]
Yeah, sorry. And then. Yeah, played golf. And it's like this little flirty. Like we have time to flirt. 

Kip:
[00:23:29 - 00:23:34]
By the way, Evangeline, Lily learned golf just for that scene. 

Theresa:
[00:23:35 - 00:23:36]
Her swing is. 

Amanda:
[00:23:36 - 00:23:40]
I'm not going to lie. I'm not a golf expert, but that looked pretty legit to me. 

Kip:
[00:23:40 - 00:23:41]
Yeah, I was impressive. 

Amanda:
[00:23:42 - 00:23:46]
She actually looked really cute in this episode. I'll give you that. Give me that. Kate. 

Kip:
[00:23:47 - 00:23:49]
You're giving it to Kate? I don't care. 

Amanda:
[00:23:50 - 00:23:59]
I know you guys have been really wanting me to talk about evangelist Lily's appearance. Very cute. Are you talking cute? 

Kip:
[00:23:59 - 00:24:00]
Teresa mentioned her arms. 

Theresa:
[00:24:00 - 00:24:03]
I think she's got great arms. I'm jealous. 

Amanda:
[00:24:03 - 00:24:05]
Well, she's a very attractive person. 

Kip:
[00:24:06 - 00:24:17]
One part that really annoyed me. And it's funny. It's the same person who annoyed you, Amanda. Just recently, Jack, when. When they bring in Sawyer and John's like, what's going on? 

Kip:
[00:24:17 - 00:24:20]
And Jack's just like, john the button. 

Amanda:
[00:24:22 - 00:24:30]
Jack. You don't even care about the goddamn button most. God, I know such an, like, I love Jack. 

Kip:
[00:24:30 - 00:24:32]
Me too. He's my favourite character, but I'm. 

Amanda:
[00:24:32 - 00:24:42]
I love him. I have the pop figurine of Jack, I think. Jack and Sawyer. And then there's one character we haven't met yet. I think they're the best. 

Amanda:
[00:24:42 - 00:24:47]
But every once in a while, he's just so condescending. 

Kip:
[00:24:47 - 00:24:47]
Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:24:47 - 00:24:59]
And that's what I mean. At the end, he's kind of condescending. He's just like Annalusia this look, you should not kill people. Bad Annalusia. He's like this John the button. 

Kip:
[00:24:59 - 00:25:02]
John the just saves her his life. 

Amanda:
[00:25:02 - 00:25:03]
With a glass of water. 

Kip:
[00:25:03 - 00:25:12]
Exactly. Oh, and I did not like that whispering scene. Although I was proud of Jack for the way he handled it. It was super awkward. 

Theresa:
[00:25:12 - 00:25:13]
It was super awkward. 

Kip:
[00:25:13 - 00:25:19]
And he was just kind of like taking it on the chin like, oh yeah, they didn't teach that one at ha ha. I'm feeling pretty shitty right now. 

Theresa:
[00:25:19 - 00:25:20]
But really his heart is just. 

Kip:
[00:25:20 - 00:25:21]
Oh, exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:25:22 - 00:25:24]
I don't get cuddles like that. I just get going. 

Kip:
[00:25:24 - 00:25:26]
She just went like full in, just. 

Theresa:
[00:25:26 - 00:25:30]
Like, oh yeah, hold him up. She's like, let me just put my body all over. 

Amanda:
[00:25:32 - 00:26:01]
I do. I will say I have always. We're really laying it on thick right now with the Jack Kate Sawyer love triangle. And yeah, this idea that maybe Anna Lucy is also going to play some sort of role in it. I really do not like that Kate's character is used that mean again, we know I don't like Kate, but I like the character dynamic that she introduces in a lot of ways. 

Amanda:
[00:26:01 - 00:26:09]
And I just think that it's unfortunate because I think if this was 2024 as opposed to 2004, she would have been portrayed a lot differently. 

Kip:
[00:26:09 - 00:26:10]
Definitely. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:26:10 - 00:26:16]
And I think, as you said, why is there so much Annalucia hate? Why is there so much Kate hate? There's probably a huge level of misogyny to it. 

Kip:
[00:26:16 - 00:26:41]
You're right. And it's funny you say that because when I was researching the episode, just reading some of the production notes and stuff, the producers literally say one of the reasons to bring Annalucia in as a character was for another, essentially foil to get between the Jack Sawyer Kate love. Like, again, you're just bringing it in for this love triangle thing because at. 

Amanda:
[00:26:41 - 00:26:51]
The end of the day, Sawyer is. They say it all the time, right? The idea is like cadence are very similar. That's why they get along. That's why there's that chemistry. 

Amanda:
[00:26:52 - 00:27:06]
They say opposites attract, but really similar people attract way more and that's just a reality. And so Sawyer is essentially like a female redneck, for lack of a better word, version of Kate. 

Kip:
[00:27:06 - 00:27:07]
You mean a male. 

Amanda:
[00:27:07 - 00:27:50]
Yeah, like a male redneck version of redneck. He doesn't get nearly as much hate, including from people like, I like Sawyer more than I like Kate. Even though objectively I can recognise that Sawyer has a lot of the same flaws. I just think personally why I hate her more is because as the show goes on, the growth is very different, in my opinion, between the two. So as much as in the, like, remembering that I've seen it all and I know how it works out, I feel a lot, and I think a lot of people who are watching it for the first time will understand a little bit more why I hate Kate after next week's episode. 

Amanda:
[00:27:51 - 00:28:03]
But I will be honest and say, even in the beginning, when I watched it the first time, I liked him more than I liked Kate. And I do think there's probably some societal misogyny worked into that, and I am prepared to accept that and work on. 

Kip:
[00:28:05 - 00:28:18]
Know, like, after Sawyer takes his pill or whatever, and they're kind of talking to Echo or. I can't remember. I guess Echo's talking to John, and Jack comes in kind of flying off the handle. I can kind of get it a little. Echo's not really giving a lot of context. 

Kip:
[00:28:18 - 00:28:33]
He's not giving any answers, and Jack is the personality who needs answers. So to be met with this wall of silence would be super. I could. Someone like Jack would get really angry at that. But I love the way that echo de escalates it. 

Kip:
[00:28:33 - 00:28:39]
And just like, you're not bringing a gun, I'll take you only. Yeah. It was really well done. 

Theresa:
[00:28:39 - 00:28:41]
Let's just take it down a notch. 

Kip:
[00:28:41 - 00:28:42]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:28:42 - 00:28:54]
I also like the echo lock dynamic. I think they're a good duo to have kind of interact, and I remember how much they do because you kind of have, like, they're both men of faith. 

Theresa:
[00:28:54 - 00:28:54]
Right? 

Kip:
[00:28:55 - 00:28:55]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:28:55 - 00:29:05]
And so it's kind of interesting to see how that works. And even, like, the way Locke was talking to him at really? But Locke this season, kind of, like, lame. 

Kip:
[00:29:05 - 00:29:07]
Yeah. He's sort of just button pusher now. 

Theresa:
[00:29:07 - 00:29:08]
Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:29:08 - 00:29:13]
He hasn't really done much. Am I wrong? Has there even been a Locke episode? 

Amanda:
[00:29:16 - 00:29:22]
Theresa may have been, but the fact that we can't remember is not a good sign. There's definitely been a jack episode. 

Kip:
[00:29:22 - 00:29:33]
Well, man of science, man of faith is kind of. That's the first episode, but I don't think it's. No, it's a jack flashback orientation, maybe. Yes. That's the loch one. 

Amanda:
[00:29:34 - 00:29:36]
Very memorable, clearly. 

Kip:
[00:29:36 - 00:29:38]
Oh, that's one with Desmond. 

Theresa:
[00:29:38 - 00:29:40]
Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:29:40 - 00:29:42]
So what happens in his flashback? 

Amanda:
[00:29:42 - 00:29:43]
I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:29:43 - 00:29:52]
I think that's when we see him and his dad tells him that he doesn't want him or whatever and that he only Helen. 

Amanda:
[00:29:52 - 00:29:55]
Yeah. Then Helen throws the key. 

Kip:
[00:29:55 - 00:30:00]
His dad does say, yeah, I mean. 

Amanda:
[00:30:00 - 00:30:18]
It was a good episode, but it's just this idea we're not getting that mysterious, strong, commanding presence with Locke that we had so much in season one. He's not really mentoring anyone. Kind of like he did with Charlie and Boone. Well, Boone's dead, but you know what I mean. Like, there's no version of that this season. 

Theresa:
[00:30:18 - 00:30:24]
Well, I mean, what are you going to do? All right, you sit here and you push four, eight, one. 

Kip:
[00:30:24 - 00:30:26]
He really wanted to do that. 

Theresa:
[00:30:26 - 00:30:27]
Like, he's just all about this button. 

Kip:
[00:30:27 - 00:30:31]
At this point, he's pretty obsessed. Yeah, obsessed. 

Theresa:
[00:30:32 - 00:30:39]
Obsessed with that button pushing. Yeah, except for a hot minute when he's concerned about what's going on. 

Amanda:
[00:30:39 - 00:30:41]
Like someone dying, potentially. 

Kip:
[00:30:41 - 00:30:43]
John, the button. 

Amanda:
[00:30:44 - 00:30:47]
Your impression is so good. 

Kip:
[00:30:47 - 00:31:07]
You know what? It's funny seeing Annalisa's flashbacks and her working for her or her Mum's her boss or like, yeah, okay, she gave in and signed the thing because she didn't want her to transfer. But I think it was the first parent on the show that seems to genuinely care about their child. 

Amanda:
[00:31:08 - 00:31:12]
Kind of an inappropriate. Like, she probably shouldn't be her captain. 

Kip:
[00:31:12 - 00:31:14]
No way. I don't think that would actually happen. 

Amanda:
[00:31:14 - 00:31:22]
I don't know. That's the sad part, right? Is like, we learn about her backstory. We learn that she was in a traumatic. 

Kip:
[00:31:23 - 00:31:43]
I agree. Her taking the law into her own hands was obviously not a good thing to do and really horrible. And I really don't think it, storytelling wise, was the strongest way they could have shown her still be traumatically affected by what happened with him. But I don't know if they were just trying to cram something shocking into Theresa. 

Amanda:
[00:31:43 - 00:32:16]
Actually, I was going to ask you guys what you thought, because we always talk about this, right? The flashback tells us a story that's important to the character that we're seeing on island in those moments, usually, or some variation of them around that time. It's supposed to show us maybe their motivations or their fears or whatever it might be. I don't know what we're supposed to take away from that. Are we supposed to take away that she's just uncaring, unfeeling. 

Amanda:
[00:32:16 - 00:32:38]
She's just too traumatised because the episode before we see her break down, right? Or are we supposed to just think that she has no control, she has no whatever. I wasn't sure if we're supposed to feel bad for her in that moment or be scared of her in that moment or. I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:32:38 - 00:32:52]
I don't know if it was anything more than just we want to give a little bit of her history and not necessarily have as much of a tie in and more of just like, she was a cop, she had this really traumatic thing happen to her. 

Amanda:
[00:32:52 - 00:33:23]
My concern is that I almost feel like we find out she's a cop and then we're like, oh, shit. This cop took this innocent life on the island and she was coming off of this big, bad, traumatic experience and, oh, my God, now she's going to have this traumatic experience and the guilt of taking a life is going to be really hard for her. And then we just see that she's able to calmly, coolly and premeditatively take a life. So if she thinks it's okay, she's okay with doing it. I don't know. 

Amanda:
[00:33:24 - 00:33:25]
It was weird to me. 

Theresa:
[00:33:25 - 00:33:28]
It's hard to say because at this point we've seen her kill three people. 

Amanda:
[00:33:29 - 00:33:30]
Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:33:30 - 00:33:47]
And the first kill that we saw was in self defence. But also one of them was going to die. Yeah. Clearly, whether or not she had thought about it in advance, not sure. Can't really tell. 

Theresa:
[00:33:48 - 00:34:00]
But even just look at the way she reacts to it. Right now we're talking about someone who has intentionally killed someone and then. I want to say intentionally killed Goodwin. 

Kip:
[00:34:00 - 00:34:08]
Well, I think you're right. It was self defence. Obviously, when they started fighting, she probably knew that she would have to kill him. 

Theresa:
[00:34:08 - 00:34:10]
Like one of them was going to die. 

Kip:
[00:34:10 - 00:34:15]
I don't know if she came up there thinking that's how it was going to end, probably. Considering if she suspected him to be. 

Theresa:
[00:34:15 - 00:34:29]
An other and considering she had, like, she was starving. What was his name? Nathan. Nathan had him in, like, a hole and was like. I mean, she's quite complex as, like a. 

Theresa:
[00:34:29 - 00:34:55]
Like, I feel like we're seeing that if she's motivated enough, she can calmly react in her chaos of killing someone. She was very cool about it. She just walked over, shot him, said she's pregnant, walked over and then kept shooting him. But then this one gunshot to Shannon completely unravels her. 

Kip:
[00:34:55 - 00:35:06]
Well, because it was an accident, because it wasn't premeditated. She had no idea. And to find out it was one of the other plane survivors. Of course I would send her into a tailspin. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:35:06 - 00:35:10]
I mean, I do feel bad for her in that sense. That's just a rough deal. 

Kip:
[00:35:10 - 00:35:32]
Hearing you say, well, she's starved, Nathan, and all these things, I almost feel like it's a double edged sword. We see all the horrible things that happen to them. They're literally having people kidnapped, killed beside them, stolen and children kidnapped. And it's almost like, what else would you do? Would you not want to? 

Kip:
[00:35:32 - 00:35:33]
She saved that kid's life. 

Theresa:
[00:35:34 - 00:35:34]
Oh, yeah. 

Kip:
[00:35:34 - 00:35:53]
And then to have it stolen. Have her stolen from her right as she's sleeping, you would probably want to start doing everything you could to try to protect everyone who's still there. And then, yeah, probably. She did think she was going to kill Goodwin. Now that I think about it, we don't know how or when she figured out he was an. 

Amanda:
[00:35:53 - 00:35:57]
I know that seems so good. Call back to the last one. 

Theresa:
[00:35:57 - 00:36:01]
And that's how you know it's a good scene, because we can remember that one a week later. 

Amanda:
[00:36:02 - 00:36:20]
Not John's. No. I think the reality is that we're supposed to see that she'll kind of go with whatever she thinks needs to be done. And that's the thing. She's, like, the best and worst parts of Sawyer, Jack and Kate kind of all put together. 

Amanda:
[00:36:21 - 00:36:32]
She's impulsive and stuff. Like, Sawyer is kind of, like, tough and seasoned like Kate is, and then overly controlling like Jack is. And Jack does the same thing. 

Theresa:
[00:36:32 - 00:36:32]
Right? 

Amanda:
[00:36:32 - 00:36:39]
He gets thrown in these situations where he's like, I shouldn't have to do this. I shouldn't have to do this. Someone's got to do it. I'm going to do it. And that's kind of what happened with Lucia. 

Amanda:
[00:36:40 - 00:36:56]
Echo is very strong and very capable, but he's very choosy about how he uses it. And she kind of, like, even when she's talking like Bernard and Libby, it's like, did I not keep you guys alive? All this, like, that's how she sees it, right? It's like, I had to keep all of you alive. I did the best I could. 

Amanda:
[00:36:56 - 00:37:12]
I'm going to keep doing what I have to do to do that. And I think she sees it that way. Like, someone's got to take care of all this. And, okay, yeah, I shot Shannon, and it was an accident, but now I'm not going to let Saeed kill me for it. So I'll lock him up if I have to, and then I'll run away if I have to. 

Amanda:
[00:37:12 - 00:37:14]
And survival mode always. 

Kip:
[00:37:14 - 00:37:27]
Exactly. She was totally in survivor mode. And it was interesting when it was just her and said, talking so much about death. What did he say? Are you going to kill me? 

Kip:
[00:37:27 - 00:37:43]
And did she say, should I? Or did he say, should I? I don't know. They talked about death a lot. And then when you consider, like, they show Shannon's dead body, and they talk about how she was pregnant, so her baby was killed and then she killed a guy, and it's just like, holy shit. 

Kip:
[00:37:43 - 00:37:44]
It was very death heavy. 

Theresa:
[00:37:44 - 00:37:45]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:37:45 - 00:38:00]
And then, I don't know, the last, like, four minutes is just like, me sobbing. Because first of all, we get the beginning of what is arguably the best part about this show, which is those reunion scenes. They're just so, they're such the most beautiful music. They're so epic. 

Kip:
[00:38:00 - 00:38:01]
The music always gets. 

Amanda:
[00:38:01 - 00:38:15]
And, like, it's just like, the first person who, like, the Vincent and Michael is sweet. Charlie and Jen, who I don't think I've ever seen interact. And Charlie sees him and he's just, like, so excited. 

Theresa:
[00:38:16 - 00:38:18]
Remember, they did interact when Claire was. 

Amanda:
[00:38:19 - 00:38:20]
Oh, that's true. 

Kip:
[00:38:20 - 00:38:21]
Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:38:21 - 00:38:27]
But I don't see them as, like, they're not my go to. In my mind, I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see Charlie and Jen reunite. 

Kip:
[00:38:27 - 00:38:28]
Claire wasn't in. 

Amanda:
[00:38:28 - 00:38:47]
No, no, she's not in lots of that's. I think they're kind of getting that second, like, not slump because there's never a time when this show has a slump, but. Well, okay, fair enough. Fair enough. It's not long lived and it's definitely not yet. 

Amanda:
[00:38:47 - 00:39:06]
But I do think they're kind of suffering from that issue where they had this really big ensemble cast from season one. And the networks always want to throw in fresh blood season two, three because they don't want to keep it new and exciting. So then they're like, we got to throw in some more characters. But then they still have this kind of over. Now they have, like, an overblooded cast. 

Kip:
[00:39:07 - 00:39:13]
So they either have to kill people or not. Or not use them or have their. 

Amanda:
[00:39:13 - 00:39:23]
Big scene being playing a guitar and then running. I don't think it's, like, lazy writing or I don't think it's bad storytelling. I just think they have too many characters right now. 

Kip:
[00:39:23 - 00:39:24]
I agree. 

Amanda:
[00:39:24 - 00:39:25]
So it's like, if we don't see. 

Kip:
[00:39:25 - 00:39:35]
Claire, I don't remember, but that just makes me think, how are they going to thin these characters out? I honestly don't remember. 

Amanda:
[00:39:35 - 00:39:49]
It helps. Some of it happens quite on top of one another. And again, let's remember timeline wise, it's been, like three days since. 

Kip:
[00:39:50 - 00:39:53]
No, it's been four, five, eight. 

Amanda:
[00:39:53 - 00:39:55]
Day 40? Was it day 48? 

Kip:
[00:39:55 - 00:39:56]
Well, 41 or 42. 

Amanda:
[00:39:56 - 00:39:59]
Yeah. So it's been like six days, like a week. 

Kip:
[00:40:00 - 00:40:25]
It's so hard because we go through these episodes, and at the time, it was a week apart, and that's kind of how we're doing it. Like, one watching one a week. And it's hard to remember that the past three episodes have been kind of the same day, other than the flashbacks of Davis one to 48, but the present has been the same day. And it's like. But it feels so long. 

Amanda:
[00:40:25 - 00:40:56]
And it's interesting because that's actually like, because I remember watching shows. The best ones would be like any sort of high school show, like Dawson's Creek, the OC one Tree Hill, whatever. You'd have a season and it would start around the time school starts and end, kind of the time school ends and you'd have a season finale, and then you'd pick back up and they would be like, at their new school year and you just kind of hear about their summer or whatever. So it's almost like real time. And yes, it would be like proms next week and then the next episode would be prom. 

Amanda:
[00:40:57 - 00:41:09]
But yeah, this show is not like that. But streaming shows aren't really like that anymore now either, because you just watch them. Unless it's really easy to tell and there's like storytelling about it. You don't really know how much time passes on those, really, either. 

Kip:
[00:41:09 - 00:41:12]
That's true. Yeah. It is very blurred now. 

Amanda:
[00:41:13 - 00:41:28]
So, I mean, it makes sense, but it's hard to remember to put into that context sometimes of there has been a lot of loss. And yes, they definitely have a more charmed life on the beach, but they have their own issues as well. But we haven't really been concentrating on them. 

Theresa:
[00:41:28 - 00:41:28]
Right. 

Amanda:
[00:41:28 - 00:41:42]
Because that's the other thing. There's also a lot more issues. So a lot of different issues are being kind of put to the back burner. So I feel like we're kind of in a weird kind of transition between bringing in these new characters. We are characters, but it does start to even out. 

Amanda:
[00:41:42 - 00:41:47]
The middle to the end of the season is insane. Beginning of season three is really insane. 

Kip:
[00:41:47 - 00:41:49]
Oh, I love season three. 

Amanda:
[00:41:49 - 00:41:53]
And you'll remember it's good. 

Kip:
[00:41:53 - 00:42:14]
You're right. I wouldn't call it a slump, but I think you're right in describing it as like a transition period because it is this three or four episode blur of the same day going on. I feel like we were in the middle, or you were in the middle of talking about the reunions and we didn't get to talk about Rosenberg's. 

Amanda:
[00:42:15 - 00:42:15]
Oh. 

Theresa:
[00:42:15 - 00:42:18]
Which was really the only reason to watch this episode. 

Kip:
[00:42:18 - 00:42:20]
It was so nice. 

Theresa:
[00:42:20 - 00:42:25]
I feel like we've been waiting for it since she said, yeah, they're probably saying the same about us. 

Kip:
[00:42:25 - 00:42:26]
That was like the first episode. 

Amanda:
[00:42:26 - 00:42:39]
And then when he asks, does he ask Michael? Michael? Yeah. This man, this actor, I know he's been in a few. Like, he's one of those character actors that I think is just in a lot of stuff over the years. 

Amanda:
[00:42:39 - 00:42:45]
But that look on his face when he saw Rose, I was like, that man deserves an Emmy. 

Theresa:
[00:42:45 - 00:42:47]
I think that's why his outfit. 

Kip:
[00:42:47 - 00:42:52]
Sorry, his outfit, like a cravat. 

Theresa:
[00:42:55 - 00:43:05]
The longest vertical cut down his pants that. I don't understand where or how it could have happened. So random. 

Kip:
[00:43:05 - 00:43:06]
I ripped it on a branch. 

Amanda:
[00:43:06 - 00:43:07]
Just. 

Theresa:
[00:43:07 - 00:43:09]
I don't know how I feel about this episode. 

Kip:
[00:43:09 - 00:43:11]
Well, I think we do know how you feel about it. 

Theresa:
[00:43:12 - 00:43:12]
Why? 

Kip:
[00:43:12 - 00:43:17]
Well, okay. That's a good question. Has your thoughts on it changed at all over this discussion? 

Theresa:
[00:43:17 - 00:43:18]
No. 

Kip:
[00:43:18 - 00:43:22]
Then we do know how you feel about it, because you said, did I? Like, you weren't a fan. 

Theresa:
[00:43:22 - 00:43:26]
Yeah, I'm not that big a fan of this episode. 

Kip:
[00:43:27 - 00:43:28]
Okay, well, let's get into our ranking. 

Amanda:
[00:43:28 - 00:43:31]
We have to do character ranking, right? 

Kip:
[00:43:31 - 00:43:32]
Yeah. Characters. Let's hear that. 

Theresa:
[00:43:33 - 00:43:42]
Heck yeah, brother. We're going to start at number 16, as per usual, with Michael at negative 885. 

Kip:
[00:43:42 - 00:43:45]
Up or down from up. Oh, wow. 

Theresa:
[00:43:45 - 00:43:56]
He definitely went up dreaming about Walt. I feel like as a person, he's actually not that bad. But when he's kind of everywhere mode, it's like, too much. 

Kip:
[00:43:56 - 00:43:57]
Exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:43:57 - 00:44:15]
Then it's on Alucia, obviously, with negative 255. She was just. I didn't appreciate the gun waving and the pointing it in people's faces who have been your allies this whole time. Then it's Kate with negative 205. Then it's Desmond with 60. 

Theresa:
[00:44:15 - 00:44:18]
Walt with 240, Libby with 330. 

Kip:
[00:44:18 - 00:44:19]
Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:44:19 - 00:44:38]
Charlie with 355, Jack with 635, Claire with 740, Sawyer with 830. Number six is Mr. Echo with 1050. Then the top five has locke at 1055. Jin with 1100. 

Theresa:
[00:44:38 - 00:44:46]
Sayeed with 1255. Hurley with 1410. And then our queen, Sun, 1510. 

Kip:
[00:44:47 - 00:44:48]
Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:44:48 - 00:44:51]
Obviously she's our queen. 

Kip:
[00:44:52 - 00:44:55]
I wonder when the next sun gin episode is. 

Theresa:
[00:44:55 - 00:45:03]
I just didn't expect, like, this is how you know that the character rankings are, like, legitimately organic. Because I didn't expect her to be at the top. 

Kip:
[00:45:04 - 00:45:05]
No. Hey. 

Theresa:
[00:45:05 - 00:45:07]
No, not at all. I thought it would be someone else. 

Kip:
[00:45:07 - 00:45:10]
It was good scene when Michael runs into her at the garden. 

Theresa:
[00:45:10 - 00:45:12]
Oh, that was nice. 

Kip:
[00:45:12 - 00:45:30]
Because it was like, they have the awkward history. But also, you could tell she was immediately, like, scared shitless, wears chin kind of thing. And he's like, he's fine. He's fine. I just need to get to Jack Okey dokey, Smokey monster. 

Theresa:
[00:45:32 - 00:45:36]
Okie dokie, Smokey monster. Who we haven't seen in a long time. 

Kip:
[00:45:36 - 00:45:38]
No, it's been a while. 

Theresa:
[00:45:38 - 00:45:41]
Also, the tailors are going to lose it when they find out. 

Kip:
[00:45:41 - 00:45:43]
Oh, my God. They have no idea about the smoke. 

Theresa:
[00:45:43 - 00:45:45]
Monster and the polar bear. 

Kip:
[00:45:45 - 00:45:50]
Oh, they are in for it. All righty, so let's start with you, Theresa. 

Theresa:
[00:45:50 - 00:45:50]
Okay. 

Kip:
[00:45:51 - 00:45:53]
We give us your ranking of the episode. 

Theresa:
[00:45:53 - 00:45:54]
I give it an eight. 

Kip:
[00:45:55 - 00:45:59]
Oh, my God. That's still so high. That just shows how much we love it. 

Theresa:
[00:45:59 - 00:46:08]
I know. That's the thing. I love the reunions. I was waiting for Rose and Bernard for so long. Ana Lucia. 

Theresa:
[00:46:08 - 00:46:15]
I don't love her. Hate at this point. She's just kind of like, okay, yeah. Why? 

Kip:
[00:46:16 - 00:46:19]
I don't know. Your stream leaned heavily towards hate. 

Theresa:
[00:46:19 - 00:46:21]
I don't hate her. That's the wrong way. 

Kip:
[00:46:21 - 00:46:23]
But you also say you don't hate. 

Theresa:
[00:46:23 - 00:46:27]
But no, I don't hate Annalucia because I don't know enough about her at this point. 

Kip:
[00:46:27 - 00:46:28]
All right, fair enough. 

Theresa:
[00:46:28 - 00:46:49]
All I know is that she's killed three people. One of them was an accident for sure, and she was just out of her mind. I don't appreciate the actions. I don't think that it's nice to throw in people's faces when you're a team. I get that she's like the leader, but at the end of the day, they're still a team. 

Theresa:
[00:46:50 - 00:47:07]
She didn't keep them alive by herself. They also have had to toughen up a little too, right? I think that's pretty self indulgent of her to be like, I did this for you, so calm the fuck down. So, yeah, I don't hate her. I just don't like the actions. 

Theresa:
[00:47:08 - 00:47:18]
Oh, my God, I forgot to mention the honorary rankings go to Vincent. And of course, the reason we believe in love, Rose. And. 

Kip:
[00:47:23 - 00:47:29]
No, no, I do. I just think also Jin and son was super cool, too. 

Theresa:
[00:47:29 - 00:47:31]
Yeah, but they already get ranked. 

Kip:
[00:47:32 - 00:47:32]
Yes. 

Theresa:
[00:47:32 - 00:47:34]
Vincent Rosenberg don't. 

Kip:
[00:47:34 - 00:47:35]
So you give it an eight? 

Theresa:
[00:47:36 - 00:47:37]
I give it an eight. 

Kip:
[00:47:37 - 00:47:39]
Well, what do you give it, Amanda? 

Amanda:
[00:47:39 - 00:47:56]
I give it around an 8.3. It's not my favourite episode. I don't love Anna Lucia. I think that she's. I understand, in a way, kind of why we may like her and why she adds depth. 

Amanda:
[00:47:56 - 00:48:21]
But I think right now she's a mess. I don't know that we really know where she's going. I really didn't like the way she reacted to what happened. And I really just think that she has to get a better handle on what's happening. And I think that it's just going to add, like, I think if you were watching it for the first time, what was going to happen would be maybe very intriguing. 

Amanda:
[00:48:22 - 00:48:42]
I do think in general, it's a good transition episode. Like I said, we're going to have to see what happens now that there's these new people in the group. What's going to happen with Walt? There's so many unknowns right now that are pretty exciting that I think it's kind of like, really right now, you don't know if Sawyer is going to be okay. You don't know where the hell Walt is. 

Amanda:
[00:48:42 - 00:48:53]
You don't know if Jin is ever going to get that handcuff off. It's just the questions. They're everywhere. So that's what makes lost good. 

Theresa:
[00:48:55 - 00:48:56]
Pepperoni. 

Kip:
[00:48:56 - 00:49:16]
Yeah, I give it an 8.5. That's pretty average for me. I think I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and for me, that makes it compelling. Something compelling to watch, which is why wanting to tune in and keep watching it. Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it. 

Kip:
[00:49:17 - 00:49:20]
It's definitely not one of the top episodes, but it's pretty average for me. 

Amanda:
[00:49:20 - 00:49:21]
That's fair. 

Theresa:
[00:49:22 - 00:49:24]
For me. It's just okay. 

Kip:
[00:49:24 - 00:49:25]
All right. 

Amanda:
[00:49:25 - 00:49:37]
But you know what's really exciting? I did ask Chat GPT what they think about this episode. What did you think of the lost episode? Collision? Chat? 

Kip:
[00:49:37 - 00:49:38]
What did it say? 

Amanda:
[00:49:38 - 00:50:07]
Said. Collision is praised for its character development, particularly for Anna Lucian said it provides insights into their past motivations and the emotional baggage they carry. The episode's tension filled scenes and conflicts contribute to the overall sense of suspense that lost is known for. Additionally, it's a turning point in the series as it marks a shift in dynamics among the survivors and foreshadows future plot developments. Overall, collision is appreciated for its contribution to character arcs and the ongoing narrative of the show. 

Kip:
[00:50:07 - 00:50:09]
I'd say that's pretty succinct. 

Amanda:
[00:50:09 - 00:50:34]
Yes. I did also ask if Ana Lucia is a good character, and Chudgypt said, the assessment of whether Ana Lucia is a good character in loss is subjective. Some viewers appreciate her complex and flawed nature, finding her character development intriguing. She had a troubled past and had to make difficult decisions to add depth to her character. However, others may not like her character as much, possibly due to her abrasive personality and actions. 

Amanda:
[00:50:34 - 00:50:46]
Annalisia is known for her tough and sometimes unlikable demeanour, which can polarise opinions. In the end, whether you consider Anna Lucia a good character largely depends on your personal preferences and how you connect with her storyline within the context of the show. 

Kip:
[00:50:47 - 00:50:49]
I think pretty apt. 

Theresa:
[00:50:49 - 00:50:54]
Yeah, I think so. It's described both of you quite well. 

Kip:
[00:50:54 - 00:50:59]
Alrighty. Well, thanks for tuning in to this week's episode of let's get lost. 

Amanda:
[00:50:59 - 00:51:08]
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Kip:
[00:51:08 - 00:51:11]
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Amanda:
[00:51:13 - 00:51:36]
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Kip:
[00:51:36 - 00:51:38]
You know what? We're getting there. 

Amanda:
[00:51:39 - 00:52:02]
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