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Let's Get Lost 32 - Season 2: What Kate Did
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Are you team Kate, or do you find her actions questionable? Join Kip, Theresa, and Amanda as we dissect the character of Kate from the TV show "Lost," in the episode "What Kate Did." We're not just rehashing old plot points; we're bringing fresh perspectives on character motives, a controversial kiss, and a horse that may or may not be a guilt-induced hallucination. Our lively debate will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about the fugitive we love to analyze.
Expect the unexpected as we peel back the layers of Dr. Pierre Chang's enigmatic presence and the ticking time bomb of the hatch's mysterious computer. From Sawyer's feverish confessions to the impact of Locke and Mr. Eko's clashing philosophies, we're examining the intricate fabric of grief, faith, and fate that "Lost" weaves so deftly. As the two survivor groups join forces, we scrutinize why this convergence is more than just a plot point; it's a narrative turning point that's ripe for discussion.
Buckle up for a rollercoaster of emotions and theories as we playfully venture into the realm of "Lost" fanfiction possibilities, ranking characters and discussing the nuances of their relationships. Our chat isn't just for die-hard fans but for anyone intrigued by character development and the craft of storytelling.
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Discussing Lost
TheresaWe're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking , but even more so we love talking about lost . So join us for some laughs , good conversation and let's get lost together .
KipHello everybody and welcome to let's Get Lost . I am one of your three hosts , kip , and to my right is lovely Teresa , to my left is lovely Amanda . Hello , hi , we are so excited for you to be here with us today and I'm going to pass it over to Amanda to tell us what we're going to be chatting about .
AmandaAll right , it's time . It is time . It is time . It is time . It is time for all of the people who have provided me hate for my hate of Kate to understand why I am right and you are all wrong with this episode titled what Kate Did .
KipNo wonder , you wonder .
TheresaYeah , no kidding . I was like why did she never volunteers to read ?
AmandaI would just like to say that this episode is written by my personal heroes Steven Mada and Craig Wright , and directed by Paul Edwards , who can only be considered a genius . The two groups of survivors are united at last . Kate has a strange sighting while gathering food , a delirious Sawyer confesses his feelings for Kate . After Shannon's funeral , jack and Locke return to the hatch to find the clock dangerously close to zero . Michael makes a discovery that may hold the key to getting his son back .
KipYeah , I mean , I don't think it was that bad of a synopsis .
AmandaNo , it was just again . It's just quite detailed from beginning to end . You get .
KipSee , but I think what we've said before , though , what we're reading from is the DVD book , and so I think the synopsis is probably different for the DVD book , because they're basing it off the fact that you're probably watching it again and again , and again .
AmandaAnd you might be looking for something like maybe wanting to find like a specific episode or something .
KipThat's true , yeah .
AmandaIt's also very succinct . It was just like these , like very pointed sentences about what happened but you didn't really tell you what was happening . Yeah , Just like scene by scene . What to expect ? Tell us about this episode , Kate .
KipAlrighty , you want to hear it . Okay . So episode nine what Kate did , man ? He'll be vindicated here . One of the lowest IMDB ratings of the season so far , a point two out of 10 . However , one of the highest episode or audience viewing episodes , with 21.54 million people , almost 2 million more than last week .
AmandaI have something to say about this Do you want to say right now or after ? After . But just let me remind me .
KipOkay , freckles was the only nickname from Sawyer this week , so one and we are on day 49 on the island .
AmandaAlmost their 50 day anniversary .
KipOkay .
AmandaI have been thinking about this .
KipOkay , wait , do you want the trivia first or do you want to say this first ? I just want to say this one .
AmandaBecause you're saying that it's the lowest , like one of the lowest rated in terms of like star or IMDB ratings . But that it had a lot of viewers . I actually think the amount of viewers tells you more about like the previous episode or episodes than it does about the one you're watching Right , because it's like the last one was so good it made you want to watch the next one .
KipHowever , don't discount previews on TV at this time of year . Or this time when this was on these years .
AmandaWell , that was so complicated . Yeah , that'd give you like you just be watching TV , and then another like this week on vote , and you're like .
KipYeah , it would be like these short previews , like trailers . So I think obviously they alluded I mean I haven't seen the preview but to what Kate did , obviously , and that was a big thing throughout the whole series so far .
AmandaIt also feels so like oh , and we'll talk about this .
KipLet's do the trivia . Why did the producers include Hurley's line about Bernard being white ?
TheresaI have no idea . I honestly don't know .
KipThey felt it was important to address the fact that they were an interracial couple . The actress who played Rose L , Scott Cadwell , agreed , saying she thought it would be weird if no one said anything about it . Yeah , there we go . Question number two which losty can be seen for a brief two seconds on the TV in the background of the US Army office . Kate visits her dad in I don't miss this .
TheresaOh , that's oh . I don't love it .
AmandaHurley , done , done , done , done .
KipIncorrect . I'll take a stab at it .
TheresaWho the hell else would be on TV .
KipSaid .
AmandaOh , and why ?
KipWell , that is a little pickle you'll find in a future episode . Okay , okay , question number three , which two regular characters speak to each other for the first time in this episode .
AmandaDid you do then ? Then , michael and Locke .
KipIncorrect .
AmandaOh , that was said . So dumb . Michael and Locke literally fight . Oh , that was . Oh man , yeah , I didn't know what to say about you , know I just oh , that's so bad .
TheresaYou panic ? Sorry , two main characters .
KipYeah , yeah , well , series regulars .
TheresaLike from the beginning , not like new lasties From the beginning Jen and son . Okay , they spoke with their bodies .
KipYou were 50% right with your first guess . Okay , all right , I'm just going to say it Jen and Locke .
AmandaOh , and he cuts off his face , oh yes , yes , yes , thank you . That's so cute .
KipBonus question or bonus question which television show would they later work on together ? I hope you get this because I forgot to write the answer .
AmandaHawaii 50 . I'm pretty sure that's it . It is .
KipI've seen it . I forgot to write the answer , so let's go with that Actually it's something else ?
AmandaNo , it's got to be Hawaii 50 .
KipI just think it's so funny .
AmandaWasn't it just like last week that I was like when are we going to find out ? Like as like a joke , I was like , will he ever lose his ?
KipIt's a hand cup . Yeah , because I thought that too .
AmandaAnd I was like it's the next episode .
KipBut I keep forgetting that Michael Jen and Sawyer haven't seen the hatch .
AmandaYeah , I wouldn't at the end . So I think they were rescued .
TheresaThey're so sad , yeah , anyway sorry , okay , so now let's do it .
AmandaTeresa's stream of consciousness .
TheresaAlso , amanda told me that you messaged her saying that you were excited about .
AmandaDon't disappoint .
TheresaAll right . So it starts with oh dear , what did she do ? Now , no-transcript . Oh , wow , that's just delicious . Wow , oh . And she seems happy he's back , even though they're on a deserted island . That's cute . Oh , ew , Hurley probably heard them . Uh , sayid digging for Shannon by himself . That's sad . Aw , he loves Kate . He actually says he loves her . Well , I think we're all assuming that it's her . Oh , there she is climbing trees and gathering fruit again . Honestly , in this universe , kind of a totally marketable skill . Oh , my god , ow , I hope she's okay . Talk about tree burn . Um , what the fuck ? Now , what's with the weird animals on this island ? Are horses indigenous to tropical islands ? I'm guessing no , since we haven't seen one yet , but I don't know .
TheresaOh , now , who's this guy ? Well , clearly it's a routine that this guy is drunk and she takes care of him . Nice for her to do that To this guy , who's clearly an asshole . Make that a disgusting asshole . Uh , where are you going , kate ? Something feels off just off the hop , and holy shit . That would be why I say you he did . Oh , it's Aunt Zelda . It's Zelda , right , that's the right one . Kate's mom is a southern twang , but Kate doesn't . Oh , okay , so that guy is an asshole legit ski .
TheresaOh , kate , we don't take matters into our own hands . No matter how noble the cause , how easy is it to know she did this , though I mean other than borderline admitting it to her mother just now . Couldn't it just be a quote , unquote , accident ? Also , are we just skirting over the fact that you just murdered someone ? Are people just sitting next to Sawyer's bedside Like why doesn't anyone read a book or something ? Des had a bunch . What's Anna Lucia doing ? Like , what's the stick in the ground for and why is she punching it ? Oh , hey , claire , nice to see you finally . Oh , and you're gone .
TheresaPoor Said , I do feel for the guy . That's gotta be hard . I still don't believe in their relationship , but I do feel for him . You know , it's beautiful , but it's sad that they have their own like burial ritual here . But seriously , I think they live here now .
TheresaWhat happened ? What the F ? Just happened ? Imagine there being a commercial right now . I would just die .
TheresaMy heart was racing just then with the beep , beeps . I mean , all right , charlie isn't wrong . Anything's possible on the island . So I mean the horse could just be here . Oh , it's them , are she ? Oh , so this is how it starts with them . Huh , he's always been an asshole too . Oh damn , that's a lot of cops coming to grab her . Oh , resident piece of the handcuffs . Finally , oh , and he's learning English . That's sweet , you know , everybody needs a movie .
TheresaEcho , locke , michael movie time . Um , what's up , kate ? No sleep makes you go all trippy . Oh , my God , is this Cack's first kiss ? I feel kind of bad for Jack , like , was his breath bad ? Was he a bad kisser ? She just ran away . Does that go ? Okay ? Wait , is this all really ? Because Kate's not sleeping Seems out of left field that she's suddenly being haunted . Also , did I miss something ? How come she's not sleeping ? Oh , so this Marshall is such a scuzzoid . Seriously , the Marshall is such a douche . Oh geez , this is why we pay attention to the road people . Kate , what's the plan ? Here you run , they'll keep looking . Okay , black horse , again , little confused , as if she just left him in the rain . All beat up .
TheresaEcho and Locke are just the wisest . I feel like they would tell the best stories . Oh , what's in the book I want to see ? Okay , I love where this Echo Locke thing is going . Just two men of faith sharing it all . Oh , and it's a reel ? Okay , here we go . Load it up Locke , load it up . I want to see . Oh my God , look how vascular Jack is .
TheresaKate , you're acting so sketchy . What's the sitch ? Oh , she went to see her dad . Okay , do you think he can help you ? Oh , oh shit , that's not her dad . The drunk is her biological father . That's why , all of a sudden , she's like gotta kill him now . So if Wayne's her dad , does that mean her mom was just repeatedly cheating on her husband , with him Missed up ? Also , why is murder the answer ? And this is is this not a self fulfilling prophecy , kate , you don't want to be bad , but when you find out he's your father , you decide to be bad and kill him . Pretty shitty , oh , she thinks that Sawyer's possessed by the guy she killed . Man , she's got to sleep . Are we saved ? Has to be one of the saddest questions on this show so far .
TheresaI love that quote . Don't mistake coincidence for fate . Love it , love this Love and all of it . Love Sawyer . Up and about Loving Sawyer . Okay , so the horse is real . What's the symbolism here ? She thought when she started running from the Marshall , saw it again and again , and now it's real . I need help with this . I don't know what it means . So she knows the horse , like I don't get it . Hey Jack , should we just be giving out booze if that's all we got to sterilize some stuff ? Hey Michael , I thought you were in construction . You know about computers too . Oh , how ominous you used the computer other than the code , but now he's all . I don't know what that says . Jolly after . Oh , the scientist guy . He was very ominous and then he was like kind of like chipper , what is this beeping ? Oh my God , this is the slowest computer ever . You type in , it can't process it even remotely quick enough . Oh snap , city Walt is in the computer .
KipFinn , the files are in the computer .
TheresaI love it . I love that movie .
KipGood one , Trisa .
TheresaDid I live up to your expectation .
AmandaWe all knew you would have something to say about it . Yeah . In case anyone was concerned . That was obviously a reaction to Jin being shirtless .
TheresaYeah , I can't make that , oh , kipper .
AmandaHoly Kipper's alarmingly good .
KipOkay question . Yes , you also said why it was Kate not sleeping , but I think you figured that out on your own after no .
TheresaI didn't .
KipWell , because she was staying with Sawyer . That's it , that's literally like round the clock . Okay , gotcha so .
AmandaI also . The symbolism at the end is a little bit lost on me . We can talk about that when we get there . But there is something else . You said that I was very have vascular jack is like .
TheresaI take notes . I know that Sawyer was looking real good up and about .
AmandaYeah , they all look good . They all look good . It's a really attractive cast .
KipLike overall , like really all of them are attractive in some way . Well , I mean , come on .
AmandaWell , not Locke , but yeah , that's exactly what was .
TheresaHe's like a . He's like a nice old man , he's like a gilf . Oh , no , absolutely not you crossed a line we're done , we're done .
AmandaI crossed the line . You guys are going . What's ?
Theresathat .
AmandaNo , you're Okay . That was a lawyer . Yeah , okay , mcdonald's drunk .
KipOkay , so let's start from the beginning . Where did we begin ?
TheresaWhat Kate did . What Kate did .
KipSo how do you want to prove ? How do you want to do this ? You want to do flashback stuff , island stuff , everything all at once .
Analyzing Kate's Behavior and Decision Making
AmandaI actually find the on island Kate behavior to be very weird . Yeah , in this episode , like I don't feel like it's . As you know , like I said a lot of times , with the flashbacks there's like such a distinct parallel running between , and I get that like she's like I get that the parallel is the scene this horse and then having seen the horse back with the Marshall , but I don't know that it's as like triggering , I guess it kind of is .
KipWell , because , yeah , they're trying to make her seem like she's like delirious from lack of sleep , but she just kind of seems like normal .
AmandaKate amped up a little bit which would make sense because of everything that's gone on ever . I guess we should talk about the flashbacks , because I've been waiting to talk about them 100 years .
KipYeah , okay .
AmandaI'm actually kind of surprised that for a show that's like big on mystery in this net episode , what are we ? Episode nine of season two , not that far in Like .
Kipthey could have dragged out what Kate did for another season if they really want to , yeah , I guess they could have , I just don't know that anyone would care after a while .
TheresaYou know what I mean . Like I think the longer you wait , the less you're going to care about what she did because , like , the shock value will be gone .
AmandaAnd she's changing as a person .
KipYeah , and like I mean , season one was really big into that . What did ? And really only the first half of season one ? Yeah , Already , I'm kind of being like oh yeah , I guess we don't know that I already kind of moved on . So I think you're right . Like had they dragged it out any further , A lot of people will just been like , oh whatever , we don't care anymore .
AmandaYeah , so what Kate did you find out very quickly in this episode ? She blew up her family home .
KipAn abusive step with her abusive stepfather Slash by the logic of father , do we find out ? Is her real father ?
AmandaSo then she essentially goes . So we see this blow up . That that's . He was quite tense . Yeah , I remember watching and thinking that was a knot , what was going to happen ?
TheresaIt was just so dramatic the way like she's like . It kind of felt like you know one of those like Mission Impossible movies where the person's like walking away like slowly in the background .
AmandaI mean we'll just talk about it , because I'm the one who always jokes about it and I always shit on her . She then goes and tells her mom essentially like you're good now , you're good now , which that's what we should talk about is the case against her , because I agree that would be a very difficult case , I think , to prove .
KipI don't know what evidence they have that .
AmandaShe actually because she probably didn't Like he said the Marshall said he made it , she made it look like an accident .
KipYeah .
AmandaSo probably what happened is that her mom went and told yes , no , that is what happened , no no for sure . And then , but that's not that much to go off of yeah , they don't couldn't necessarily prove that she did .
KipShe continues to deny it .
AmandaI think the smarter thing would have been for her to stay and fight that charge .
KipAnd that's . That's so funny because , like she's in 10 times , 100 times more trouble because she has to run 100 percent .
AmandaAnd this that is the crux of why I hate her . Because whatever . First of all I want to go on the record saying I absolutely do not think abusive . I agree kind of with the Marshall's assessment like abusive stepfather , abusive to you , abusive to your mom , whatever . That is not how you would handle that , yeah . But I can understand when someone is very traumatized , very abused , very whatever , that they don't always make great decisions .
KipSound decisions Okay .
AmandaSo that part again I want to be very clear . I do not condone , but I can almost understand . It is everything she does after that I think is entirely unacceptable . She continues to drag other people into it . Why did you go tell your mom that ?
KipI know that's the part that I don't understand , leave the cash , if that's what you want to do , or the whatever the insurance thing , in the mailbox or wherever she'll find it , and just go .
AmandaOk , yeah , like don't put your mom you got caught at the train station or whatever bus station or whatever . Don't fight them . Yeah , she punches it Go with them . Hey , and then to go to your father , the military man's work , to confront him and now drag him into it as well . And that's just what happened in this episode . We know everything that's already happened with the Australian farmer and her high school , her childhood sweetheart sweetheart and the marshal .
AmandaEven what she does with the marshal here , like we'll talk about that too , because that marshal is aft . Yeah , he's a master , An ass yeah let's just talk about appropriate use of force , not choking . Not choking . Yeah , that was a weird that is not how you have an effect in arrest .
KipYeah , no , he is way too like jollied up on this job of his Like he definitely gets off on being just this like mean asshole . I'm going to take you down , no matter what .
AmandaYeah , but then on top of it , like fine , all again , I can't really say . I can understand panic , I can understand trauma , I can understand abuse , all of that , but what we hear at the end is that's not really what it's about either . And that's why people have commented to me in the past why , like , don't you , don't you have sympathy for her , don't you this ? I have a lot of sympathy for her in a lot of ways , but she did not . The whole question of why now ? Why now ? We get the answer to that and it's , it's selfish .
KipCan I read you something ? Yes , OK , so , as I as I do , I was perusing the Reddit , the lost subreddit . I found a quote that I thought you would like from smooth barnacle 4891 , two years ago . As for Wayne , it's very rare to come across a character and I think now he's talking about Kate . It's very rare to come across a character who commits a murder in the name of her own identity crisis . Kate finds out that the drunken Wayne is her real father and cold bloodedly murders him . How sick is that . She was so worried about being a lot like him and in the end , prove that she was a lot worse than him . Oh , the irony Self-fulfilling prophecy . Yeah , it's true .
AmandaBecause , like I said that , that's why that martial conversation is so important , because it's like why now , like he's been in your life since you were five . He didn't say like , but you know he's been abusive forever and again . I can even understand . Like you know , sometimes trauma takes time to manifest . Or I thought , maybe at first when I watched this , that he had , like , moved on to her for lack of a better term .
KipYeah , I thought so too , and that would make , I think , someone snap .
AmandaAnd I can see there being like a break , but again we are told what it is and it's exactly what that guy said she doesn't want to be like him or want any part of . Well . It's too late .
KipYeah , he's . He has a party , will always be a part of you . And now you're worse . And now you're way worse .
AmandaAnd you can't own it . Yeah , and you're going to continue . And it's interesting because we've actually seen a lot of the worst of the consequences of her actions already leading up to this . But she does not own it and she can't . And that's why I truly do believe if she could get on a stand in a court of law and say he abused my mom for 20 years . He hit on me sexually . He was a piece of shit . I was protecting my mom and me . I think I'm not . I don't know .
KipI'm not a whatever I mean in the world of Hollywood TV and movies , which is what this is . Yeah , she would have had a lot of juries feeling sympathy for her . And she probably would have been just fine .
AmandaBut the reality is that's not what happened fully . No she can't get on because she would have to be like I thought he was . I didn't want it to happen . I don't like that . He's my dad . Yeah , exactly .
Analyzing Kate's Actions and Motivations
AmandaAnd they again understood what a traumatizing thing to think this staunch , military , proper guy who left you which was already probably traumatic enough 100% and then to have this gross guy raising , raising you question mark so much trauma . And I don't think that she didn't . And that's why , when people are like you hate her and she's like been through so much and does , I understand that and I feel for her a lot , like I think she had a really shitty life , but I really can't condone in any way , even by being like extra sympathetic to her , everything she did , that there is a wake of destruction in her past .
KipYeah , exactly what I was going to say , like the wake of destruction that she leaves to really everyone she quote-unquote cares about . And it's like how can you say that when she ? How can you feel , really feel sorry for her or sympathize with her , when she's legitimately making deliberate choices that are just ruining other people's lives ? She's not just ruining her own life , she's ruining so many other people's lives and the fact that she doesn't own it is the worst part . Like she puts on this act , like she's this innocent person who who , like , is so hard done by , and it's like , yeah , okay , maybe you are hard done by , but it doesn't condone what you've done and the fact that you don't own it . She doesn't own it and that's the most frustrating thing .
AmandaLike , honestly , if even once the marshals came to the bus station or whatever , if she kind of gave up then and was like , yep , I'm sorry , put me in front of a jury or I'm gonna plead guilty or whatever you want to do , and she was like I did this for my mom , I don't regret it because I protected my mom , I still wouldn't be okay with it because I don't think you should take the law into your own hands . But I would be like I get it , like I can understand why she felt that . But it's the constant need to like yes , like you said like almost defend herself as like I'm the victim , I didn't do anything wrong .
AmandaIt's like fine , if you want to be this like tough , strong woman who took care of business yourself , be a tough , strong woman who took care of business herself .
KipLike Anna Lucia .
AmandaLike Anna Lucia .
KipOkay , but the only thing I can think of is why someone like it might continually run . The only only thing I can think of is , like maybe it's driven by fear , but fear of what , like ? What's driving that fear ?
TheresaThat's what I don't really get , because , like , if it's a fear of the consequences , like then don't kill someone , you know what I mean . Like it's it's pretty clear you break the law , you have to . There's consequences , yeah , there's a consequence , or whatever . There's a consequence to anything you do , good or bad sometimes .
KipSo but like she continually chooses to run and to put other people in jeopardy and in danger out of the only thing I think of , like I said , is fear of something . But do we , do you remember ? Does that ever get explained out any much further than what we know now ?
AmandaWell , I think that it doesn't really , and I think because the actual alternative to the only reason she keeps running is fear is that she keeps running because she's selfish .
TheresaYeah , yeah , that's true .
AmandaI think that does get addressed in some way , because I do truly believe that she does become less selfish on the island throughout the time on the island .
AmandaYeah , yeah , yeah , and I still think she makes some missteps coming up , but I do think that for the , for the majority of it , I do think we see some big character growth from her . But I still think you're right , like there's something driving her because she can never just accept and it always has to kind of be on her terms . Every choice is kind of made with her as , like the front .
KipAnd I don't know if maybe just like they didn't do that great of a job building her character , like she seems to be kind of one note in that sense , like there's just like do something bad , claim innocence and run . You know , it'd be nice if they did get a little deeper , like some of the , some of the background or some of the like trauma that's driving that aspect not just like the running away and not wanting to get caught , and not why she killed her dad , which we find out .
KipWasn't the trauma that he was causing her ?
Amandaor her mother . It was another reason again .
KipThat brings it back right .
AmandaIf we really want to psychoanalyze Kate . Clearly the trauma of her life with these people has been ongoing . Clearly her mother is awful and the fact that , like she still continually sells out Kate throughout .
KipOh my god , oh yeah , because we did see her do that before . Yeah so you know she hates her .
AmandaIt is quite possible that it is fear , and it's that fear of like having no one in your corner . Yeah right , and when you are traumatized as a child , you tend to stay stuck in whatever emotional growth period you're in when that happens , which for her , is probably like pretty immature right so like , and what do children do when they get in trouble ?
Theresaif they don't know , they run , they lie , they hide , hide and that's what she did , right , she came in with Sawyer .
AmandaLike she hurt Sawyer and she ran and hid in the forest right yeah okay , so the black horse I don't get it saves her ish kind of like essentially saves her .
KipUm , you don't get it . What do you ? Think about it ?
AmandaI don't know I'm not really good at symbolism , you know .
TheresaI don't know what the . I don't know what a black horse stands for .
KipYeah because I was gonna ask what did you think of it ? Um , what does it represent ? Uh , according to the lost encyclopedia , the island reached out to Kate in the form of a beautiful black horse that mysteriously impacted her life both on and off the island . But what I don't get about that is like Sawyer sees it too .
AmandaSo it's a real horse but the island just delivered the horse , I guess yeah , but it really doesn't explain anything .
KipBut why no ?
Theresawhat does it mean ?
Amandathe next expert chat gpt lost is it a hallucination wiki ?
Kipis it a manifestation of the island's mysterious powers ?
Amandachat gpt wasn't
Kate and Sawyer's Guilt and Confession
Amandathat helpful . You know chat gpt is really disappointing me late , but essentially just says that the black horse represents manifestation of Kate's guilt and inner turmoil there we go , like we'll go at that . I mean it does kind of make sense when you think about it , because when she's escaping the law since you for the first time , what will become one of many times ?
Amandashe sees that horse right and then that is essentially , I think , the first time she escaped consequence for her back yeah so really a pressure point for you and your guilt , would probably be that idea that you're escaping a consequence that you , I think , on some level know you do do deserve yeah , right for sure .
KipBut then on the on the island it's like what , what is like she , what actually is it ?
Amandayeah , but anyway , we'll move on from this , because it's undetermined one other thing I would like to say that I think is awesome is that conversation with her dad , and I'll say dad , because yeah , you know what , kate , you may biologically be related to this piece of shit , but he's not your dad . Yeah , because no exactly your dad . He doesn't have to be your dad in your mind , because you had a dad and he seems distant but okay , but he seems like you know like being , he seems to care about her , yeah
Amandaoh , he's gonna make a scrapbook for his birthday .
TheresaThey were really you could tell he was just so sad .
AmandaYeah , like so you don't have to have this piece of shit be your dad . That can be your dad , still anyway your dad . When she goes to see her dad , she's like the conversation is like if someone's like , please point to one scene that should tell me how bad of a human Kate Austin is , I would say watch this scene . And it's because she goes through all that with him . And then she says to him why didn't you kill him ?
TheresaI know why . Why was ? Why is killing him ?
Kipthe only answer like why does she like , why does she think killing is so okay and it's so easy and just jumps right .
AmandaYou so you knew that he was my father and abusive , and that's well . Why didn't you kill him ?
Kipyeah , because that's not the first answer you don't just kill people no , that's no .
TheresaAnd he the way he says , because I , what is it ?
KipI'm not murder in my heart .
KipYeah , and I was like I'm like you looked her dead in the eye and said that he knows her now I you know , and like just what we've seen of Kate up till now , she really does have this loose idea of how you should or should not kill people . She seems very okay with it . She was fine with killing the Marshall , like so soon early on . I get that that is a nut like for particular reasons , but still she just was like you should kill him , somebody should kill him . She didn't really care about the farmer potentially being dead in the ditch . She got her friend killed Tom and then she just walked away . Yeah , she got she basically ran over that cop with Tom , like probably killed a cop , but she just doesn't care .
AmandaNo , also killing cops , probably way worse than you're a piece of your stepfather juries don't like that I I'm assuming like I don't think yeah , exactly I don't think many juries are me sympathetic to that , so you should probably stop the killing while you're ahead yeah , she just seems to not care anyway .
KipOkay , so did you think that Sawyer was talking about Kate when he said I love her ? Because he was kind of delirious well was that this episode or last ? Yeah , no , it is . I'm just thinking .
AmandaI don't remember what we know about Sawyer's backstory right now we know not that what I think , no no , okay so yes , I do . Then you ?
Kipdo you think he was talking about Kate ?
Theresayeah , I do too like , because remember when he was like in the last episode , where he was like not taking his pills , and then she was like please do it for me , please , please , and then he was like okay but do you think , like I mean , they also make him to be out to be very delirious , like we're not meant to believe that he's possessed by Wayne , so he's clearly just deliriously saying things .
KipSo like why would we then believe that he wasn't just saying something when he said I love her ?
Theresaokay , but did that actually happen ? Or was it that , like Kate imagined it , kate imagined it and Sawyer like having to like roll out of bed and some kind of like pain or whatever ?
KipI didn't think Kate imagined it , because , like they didn't really do anything to make us think she imagined it , just imagined it , did they well ?
Theresabecause she goes on a lot about how she thinks she's going crazy . Yeah , because she's like I saw a horse , am I going crazy ? So that's why I just assumed that like . I didn't take that because why could be right ? Because why would he in a delirious state be like why did you kill me ?
Amandaspecifically to her like , that just seems like a really well it could have been anyone who was there , coincidence you know that could have been like who like , who shot him yeah right like who knows I don't know I still .
TheresaI just got the vibe that it was not real like that she but none of what she but the horse was real too , so she didn't actually have delusions .
AmandaOh true , yeah so I think that's part of it is like . I think she thought she was having delusions , but she's not , so I think he said something probably similar to that and she ran with it , but I don't think he attacked her . Did he attack her in that ?
KipYeah , he just like grabbed yeah .
AmandaI think he like trying to think he was trying to attack . No no no part of it , like I think he is out of it . So I don't know . I think I think her perception of the situation was very different than what was actually happening , clearly , but I do think that to some level it was real , because everything she thought was a delusion was actually real . That's fair .
TheresaFair enough , fair enough .
KipYeah , yeah it was . It was funny when Sun was just sitting there like was she knitting , Was she ?
Theresajust crushing pills .
KipOh right , right , right Between two spoons . And then she was like can you watch him ? Yeah , that's really weird , she's kind of random . And then I thought like she was going to say for a minute , or can you watch him while I do this ? It was just can you watch him ?
TheresaAnd then just got up and then she looked at .
KipShe's like I need to get back to Jen because he's looking down .
AmandaWe've rekindled our romance and I can't be away from him for very long .
TheresaI would not be away from it at all , my goodness just but what else happened on the island .
KipOh , I mean , there's the whole film .
TheresaYeah .
KipWhat do we think about that ? What do you think about the missing film footage ? What did it really tell us anything ?
TheresaNo , I think it just set up the ending Of the series of the episode , Did
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Theresait ? How Well ? Because Doctor something .
KipYeah , I can't remember , isn't it ?
Amandaalways different .
KipNo , it's the same .
AmandaDidn't someone tell you that ? It isn't aim changes all the time ?
TheresaNo , it's the same . No , it does change .
KipAll the time , all the time , candles , candles on thing .
TheresaNo , this is what is this again Meta . It's like in this video he says his name is this , but in different Dharma videos he says his name is something else . He has multiple names .
KipOh , for each station .
TheresaYeah .
KipBut it's Pierre Chang , Dr Pierre Chang . Then , yes , yeah , he says something different , but he's known as Dr Chang .
TheresaYeah , we know him as Dr Chang . Yeah , but in the videos he's always something else . Hmm , um , what are you saying ? Yeah , so he essentially . The missing scene is that he's like this this computer cannot be used for anything else . It can only be used for what its purpose is , because you can compromise the whole thing and then , moments later , michael's on the computer .
KipWell , he says , and then there'll be another incident . Or something like that , but it doesn't really tell us anything .
TheresaNo , I think it just . I think it was just a setup that the computer should only be used for this .
AmandaAnd we're about to see that it's not going to be . Yes , michael's using it , yeah .
KipBut it , I mean I don't necessarily blame Michael for that . Oh no , no , Not yet , because like Locke tries pressing buttons .
TheresaYeah , nothing happens , and then all of a sudden , it's like talking to him it starts going ping ping and I like that he like looks at the timer . Yeah , I know yeah . And I was like that's not the same bing bing , it's a different bing bing . He's new to the hatch , that's true , that doesn't slack . Well , you know what I did cut him a lot of slack this episode .
KipOh , we shall see . I'm excited , yeah , so that , but then that also . The interactions between Echo and Locke were really good .
AmandaOh , I loved them . They're a great combo .
KipYeah .
TheresaLove it .
KipBecause it also kind of feels like as much as in the first season . Locke was this man of faith . Now we have Echo , who seems like he's a man of faith . Times 100 .
AmandaI'm going to say a man of faith on steroids .
KipYeah , and so , like he's Locke all of a sudden now doesn't seem like quite the man of faith next to Echo .
TheresaBut what I love is because Echo seems like a man of faith on steroids . It's like , and then he's the one to say don't confuse coincidence for fate .
KipI love that too , and I was like , oh , he's like much more , more like realistic in some senses .
AmandaThere's a few things . Echo's a great character already he's only been on for like a couple of episodes , but he is very cool . He is very even keeled . I really like the conversation he has with Analucia about going to the funeral .
KipYeah , that was nice .
AmandaAnd just like he's , clearly he wants to participate in their rituals . He wants to watch the video . He wants to you know , I get that he had the peace of it or whatever . He wants to talk to Locke . He wants to know what's going on , like he's really seems to be trying to like Integrate , yeah , become involved in their mini society , and I really think that's cool . A little sad , I felt like the Shannon funeral thing was a little bit like I don't know . I don't know if we're giving Said enough screen time to deal with his grief and show us kind of what's going on . I feel like it's kind of being sandwiched in . It's like a bunch of other stuff going on , yeah .
KipAnd it's funny because now that you say that , it just it just reminds me so much of how , like his relationship with Shannon was just kind of sandwiched in and it's like now they're just doing it again , with him grieving for Shannon . It's like they're not giving they didn't give them a good amount of time and they're not giving Said a good amount of screen time to really develop that feelings and emotions , cause he's not . He's not for another five episodes , really , yeah .
AmandaI know I actually Mr Echo has the next flashback and I find that funny that I don't think we've had even like the regulars all have flashback episodes yet this season .
KipReally oh yeah , Echo .
TheresaSo yeah , but Echo is like you can't , echo needs it .
AmandaWe need to know .
KipWe need to know because we need these new . Who are these newbies ?
Theresaespecially because we hadn't on a Lucia one and like , okay , fine , but now we want to know more about this guy who's just kind of been around the whole time .
KipYeah .
TheresaAnd honestly he's such a presence in the on the show already Nine episodes in .
KipOh yeah , big time . And yeah , of course , michael talking to Walt , or so we think .
TheresaYeah , yeah , that's terrifying Appears to be . Michael talking to Walt
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Theresa.
AmandaBut we also the other thing that I was thinking about . Did we know ? First of all , do we think it was fair of Kate to be talking to Saeed about her craziness while sitting at his recently departed girlfriend's grave ?
KipLike literally just buried her . So I hate to think I'm all crazy .
TheresaNo , I mean it has to be on her .
KipI liked Saeed's response though yes . I was like . He was basically like kind of like F off .
AmandaDid we know that Saeed also saw Walt with Shannon ? Yeah , okay , I was trying to remember back to that . I was like was it ever made clear that they both could see Walt ?
Kipbecause I was like , okay , they yeah , because he has a very visceral reaction .
AmandaOkay when he sees him . That's true .
TheresaOkay , yeah , yeah .
KipWe infer that he saw him too . So yeah , I mean , it was the Kate episode , what Kate did .
TheresaWhat Kate ?
Kipdid what Kate did . Would you guys think of the kiss ? That was their first kiss ? I believe . No , it wasn't , was it ?
TheresaI think it was she's she's kiss , sawyer , has she yes when ? When he was being disgusting and said all only .
KipOh , yes , yeah gross .
TheresaI thought there was so much tongue to like . I just remember thinking like for someone who's like uh-uh , I don't know why your tongue is in his mouth .
AmandaIt could be just I didn't know you're really supposed to do that on network television , but Maybe that episode was rated a little higher .
KipOh TV 16 .
AmandaAgain , like I'm not surprised that it happened . It's unfortunate that she clearly , like is not emotionally stable when it happens .
KipYeah , like Port Jack , he gets like sloppy seconds , kind of like Kate when she's nuts .
TheresaAnd then she like runs away after , she's like nah . And he's like am I okay ?
KipHe had Jack . They really didn't get a lot of screen time in this episode .
AmandaNo , and the only times he did really he seemed kind of like a jealous mess yeah .
KipAnd then he did go to see Anna Lucia later and he was at Shannon's funeral , obviously , and yeah some nice things .
AmandaCause did he ? I think he just said like rest in peace yeah .
KipAnd then like something like kind of their de facto leaders . So he has to go up first , which was good , right , that was good of him .
AmandaSo Jack does . That's what . What Jack did is be their leader when he chooses what .
KipJack did . Yeah , what Saeed did ?
TheresaSaid done a lot , said gave Shannon shoes , that's one of my favorite weird , I hated that moment .
KipBizarre , don't all that . That was stupid . That's not an all that .
AmandaThat was a full storage , it was so you guys whatever you guys have always been Shannon's I eat haters , actually I go .
TheresaShannon and Saeed . No , I'm writing a three part piece .
KipHow far are you on your pan thick ?
TheresaNot that far , mainly because I had to go through the entire first season to figure out how much interaction they had to see , like , what scenes I could build in to like build their relationship .
KipI hope you finish that soon . I want to read it and I want it to be released to the world .
TheresaYeah , we're going to put it on the blog , on the , on the , on the web , on the web Patreon . Nice on the web , on the Patreon .
KipOn the Patreon . Yeah , it'll be on the Patreon . Obviously they will On the Patreon . Okay , Then I'll write fanfic about .
TheresaIt's hard when you it's hard to write a fanfiction about things , something you don't care about that much .
KipWhat do I care about ? What would my fanfic be ?
AmandaJack and Sawyer .
KipOh , there's probably actually so much of that I was just going to say , when I was listening to the like Lost podcast last week for last week's episode , they mentioned that because there's that scene of Jack with Sawyer in the shower and they're like how much do you want to bet ?
Amandathere's so much fanfiction out there about this , oh well there's like 100% like I don't know if you guys watch Supernatural , but there's like fanfiction about like them .
KipOh well , I think there's about everybody . Yeah , they're brothers oh .
TheresaI didn't know that that sounds like . What do you mean ?
AmandaNo , like there's , like a lot like there's , there's fanfiction for everything and they're oh okay . Like people write it .
KipSo what would your Lost fanfiction be ? What ?
AmandaI would . It would be expanding on a couple as well , but we don't know them .
KipOh , okay , well , up to now , what ?
Amandawould it be , Maybe some Jin and Sun fanfiction Hmm .
KipYeah , I could fill in some gaps there .
AmandaTrisha can just write what happened in the tent that hurly , hurly , oh no .
TheresaNo , my fanfiction would be about . There would be an additional character and it would be , you and it would be me .
AmandaYeah , write yourself into the script .
TheresaHey , I guess I can . There are a plethora of people still living there . We don't know them .
KipThat's true . I'm going to write it from the perspective of the fuselage .
TheresaWhy did you burn me ?
AmandaThere's so many dead bodies in me .
TheresaYes .
KipWhy is it ?
AmandaBritish . All good things are British made , ok .
TheresaOh man , I'm not British . I'm not British either .
AmandaI don't know why we made it British . It should at least be Australian , I don't think ?
KipI think Good day mate .
AmandaWhy am I on ?
Kipfire . Why are you burning me ?
TheresaStop rooting around in me , mate .
KipOh , that tickles .
AmandaYou guys are not allowed to write fan fiction anymore . Ok , it's gross .
KipI like it .
TheresaHe's just . I mean there . I heard that there was some like coronavirus . What Fan fiction , what ? Yeah , we're both the virus . Yeah , but people like falling in love with the virus . I'm dead serious .
AmandaYeah , oh , my God , I told you there is fan fiction for everything .
TheresaI guess it's not really fan fiction because like but it's like there's some that's so weird Viral fiction . Oh , to call it but yeah , boy anyway .
AmandaAll right .
KipI think it's time .
AmandaI think it's time to speak in a good characters and what we do with them . Theresa , what is your character rankings ? That this ?
Kipweek .
TheresaWell , at number 16 . Is Michael ? I will say he did get points for one of my favorite things that he's ever said , which is when Locke says Well , I think it's pretty self-explanatory , like the button pushing or whatever , and then Michael's like what's self-explanatory about ? Like electromagnetism and blah , blah , blah . I'm like , yes , thank , you the film does not explain . No , literally doesn't . It's like you just pushed this button . Yeah , then it's Kate At number 15 , with negative 305 .
KipHow many points did Michael have ?
TheresaNegative 805 . So they're within 500 now .
KipI remember when he was in the like quadruple digits . Yeah , he really was .
TheresaSo Anna Lucia has is that number 14 , with negative 255 . Then we're all in the positive . Now we have 10 minute number 13 with 60 . We have Walt at number 12 with 240 . We have Libby at number 11 with 330 . And then we have our top 10 . We have Charlie with 380 . Jack with 710 . Claire with 740 . Sorry with 830 , locke with 1130 . And then our top five . We have Echo with 1150 . Jin with 1175 . Said at number three with 1255 . Hurley at number two with 1435 . And our reigning queen's son at number one with 1535 .
AmandaI wonder when and if . I wonder when and if son will ever be dethroned as our queen .
KipI don't think so .
TheresaI don't quite the lead . I yeah , Hurley's only a hundred behind her .
KipOh , that's true , and he does have some good stories .
AmandaThis is actually like very interesting as much as , like you know , it's relatively arbitrary . How dare you ? You're right , it's completely scientific and not at all subjective . It's interesting to see like how , like these , like big , like Jack is like the main leader hero blah , blah , blah and whatever , but he's not number one because , like those kinds of like big protagonists tend to have polarizing moments . So he's going to go , he's going to fluctuate more , but like Sun Hurley , claire , like these characters that are a lot more like even keeled middle of the row , they're not going to go up , because they're not going to go up and down so much .
KipYeah , and they're not in it as much . No , they stay steady yeah .
AmandaSo it's very interesting . Um , I find it hilarious that there are only three characters in the negatives .
KipI don't know , and it's .
AmandaMichael , Kate and Anna Lucia .
KipUm , if you want to follow the rankings , we do post them on our social media in a lovely graph form that shows where they are week to week and it's very interesting . And if you go to our Facebook page , you'll see season ones recap of character rankings and it's cool to see how they go up and down throughout the whole season .
TheresaVery , cool , every episode .
KipFollow us on let'sgetlostpod . Well , well , well , well , here we are . Time for our recaps . I'll start . Okay , yeah , I'm going to give this one a seven . Really didn't do much for me , like yeah , okay , we've got to see what Kate did , but it is a polarizing thing and I really don't think it gave her any positive points . It made her look like a really horrible person , so I don't really like that . And the online stuff was okay . It just really didn't get us very far . So , yeah , kind of a meh episode for me .
TheresaI'm going to give it a seven point five . Same thing , it's just not . It's not like , it's not an episode that really sticks out , other than what Kate did . We have a couple of banger lines in there , we have a couple of bang , a bodice , and other than that . Yeah , it doesn't do a lot for me . Not my favorite , not my least favorite , but not my favorite .
AmandaI give this a one out of 10 .
KipYou're joking , are you for real ?
TheresaYeah , no , you're not A one . No , you're alive . Man that is the biggest load of crock .
AmandaWhat do you mean ? It's my ranking . I can see what the fuck I want . All right , that it's a one .
KipOK .
AmandaWhy explain to us why ?
KipWell , she kind of did , but give us a recap . I say anything good about it this whole time .
AmandaThe only things about it are that she didn't swear shirtless at times .
TheresaThat should be more than a one . Jack is very vascular .
AmandaOK , no one , because I feel like if I didn't , you're not being true to yourself .
AmandaI'm not being true to myself . She is an awful human . She is a terrible character . I hate everything about her and for once in my life , I feel like if you watch this episode and do not join me in at least hating her in these moments , then I don't know what to say . If I , if this episode doesn't make you understand where all of my hatred from her comes , I don't know how , how else to convince you Like , and for you to see like , because you know what , you know what Sometimes those other episodes are . We see , oh my God , she like killed Tom , her childhood friend , and oh no , she's going to let that farmer die . Whatever it is , you're like , you know what . Maybe she really did something . Maybe she really did something to sit through all of that and to get to her being like I didn't want to be a part of you , like it's a one , it's a one . That would be my ringtone yes , I don't want to be a part of you , like it's a one .
TheresaAnd it's a one from me , Doug .
AmandaThat's what I have to say .
KipOn that note , thank you very much for listening to us this week on let's Get Lost , and we will see you next week . Be sure to follow us on all of our social media accounts . Let's get lost Pod , subscribe to our Patreon and you'll be in for some exclusive treats , like Teresa's fanfiction about Said and Shannon and mine about the fuselage . See you next week . Bye .