Let's Get Lost

Theresa 0:10

We're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking , but even more so we love talking about lost . So join us for some laughs , good conversation and let's get lost together .

Kip 0:28

Hello and welcome to this week's episode of let's Get Lost . It's me Kip . I'm here with my co-host , samantha . Hello , teresa .

Theresa 0:37

Hi , sounds very excited to be here .

Kip 0:41

That was really weird , sorry .

Amanda 0:43

I just like how it seems like you're gearing up to introduce like a third edition on co-host .

Kip 0:47

Yeah , I don't know why I thought that , yeah , I don't know . Like someone else is here .

Theresa 0:51

And our two pop figures that we cannot mention .

Amanda 0:54

Oh yeah , Two mystery pops .

Kip 0:57

Okay . Well , Teresa is going to let us know what we're going to be chatting about today . Take it away .

Theresa 1:03

Today we're talking about season two , episode 10 , the 23rd Psalm , written by Carlton Ques and Damon Lindelof , directed by Matt Earl Beasley . Okay , mr Echo is infuriated to learn about the Virgin Mary statues , and a flashback explains why Mr Echo demands that Charlie lead him to the rest of the statues . Locke secures the weapons in the armory , but Michael wants to retort how to shoot . Charlie makes a desperate appeal to Claire .

Amanda 1:32

That is it , that covers her .

Kip 1:35

Yeah , this was a good episode .

Amanda 1:36

I really like this episode .

Kip 1:39

It's so good , in fact , that it got 8.7 out of 10 on IMDb .

Theresa 1:42

Sounds about right .

Kip 1:43

Yeah 20.56 million viewers , but I found this interesting , so there was a two month break between this and the previous episode .

Amanda 1:52

It was like the mid season .

Kip 1:54

I guess so , Because this episode 10, . Yeah , I guess it would have been probably yeah , mid December . January , and then I always took that break over winter , Again very well regarded by critics , and this was actually nominated for an Emmy for writing .

Theresa 2:06

Wow .

Kip 2:07

Damon and Carlton nominated for an Emmy Sawyer Nicknamed Count too Freckles and those were great .

Amanda 2:14

Yeah , those were great .

Kip 2:14

What a fucking dick , I know .

Theresa 2:16

He just added it too . He was just like oh , feels .

Amanda 2:20

I think he was so because he had , he was like , had to be mean , he had to be himself .

Kip 2:26

Even though it was like from an endearing place .

Amanda 2:29

Yeah .

Kip 2:30

Okay , you guys ready for some trivia .

Amanda 2:32

Yeah .

Kip 2:33

All right . How many Bible verses are carved into Echo's stick that we can see ?

Amanda 2:40

Da-na , da-na-na . No , that's not , I like to take that . Let's go with that 12 . Incorrect 8 .

Kip 2:48

Incorrect . You were closer though 5 that I could see . Anyway , I only paused it , so there might be more .

Amanda 2:57

But I saw 5 . I saw some investigative trivia at this point .

Kip 3:01

Yeah , exactly , okay , here's a good one . What crew member was chosen to play the Moroccan drug dealer when they could not find an actor of Moroccan descent on Hawaii or in Hawaii ?

Amanda 3:13

Like the position .

Kip 3:14

Yeah , yeah , not the name , the position .

Theresa 3:17

Okay , say that again .

Kip 3:18

What crew member was chosen to play the Moroccan drug dealer ? This is the guy who sits across from Echo .

Amanda 3:25

The guy of the 50 .

Theresa 3:27

I have no idea .

Amanda 3:28

Da-na the chef .

Kip 3:31

Oh my God , the set caterer . Yeah Nice , well done Nice .

Amanda 3:35

I just love Moroccan food , so I thought they might be like , let's get a and the son or the little kid from was that guy's son .

Kip 3:46

Oh what a nice little family . What a jarring scene for them to be a part of . Yeah , exactly , can I just ?

Amanda 3:52

say something .

Kip 3:53

Yes .

Amanda 3:54

For a set caterer better than he was good Andaline Lilly . Okay , he had like two lines Just kidding , but on par , on par , on par .

Kip 4:07

All right , two more questions . What can be seen in the smoke monster when it faces Echo ?

Theresa 4:15

Lightning .

Kip 4:17

Well , A , you didn't do your sound .

Amanda 4:18

I was going to say are we just a free-form ?

Theresa 4:20

now .

Kip 4:21

Okay .

Theresa 4:22

I saw lightning .

Kip 4:23

Well , I'll take it , but I'm looking more for more specific .

Theresa 4:26

Oh , okay .

Amanda 4:28

You know it .

Theresa 4:30

Echo's childhood Kind of yeah , on the right track , yeah , like where they're like playing soccer or whatever .

Kip 4:35

Mm-hmm , amanda , do you have anything to add ?

Amanda 4:38

No , I didn't know , he saw anything .

Kip 4:39

Oh man Okay .

Amanda 4:42

I watched it on a tiny screen today .

Kip 4:45

I watched it on my 65-inch Okay 4K .

Amanda 4:48

I watched it on whatever an iPhone is . I watched it on the Blu-ray . All right Jesus .

Kip 4:53

Okay , so it was imagery representing Echo's past , so such as a cross and the man he shoots in the opening scene . So you're right , his childhood stuff .

Amanda 5:03

So I know you have one more question , but just before we forget it , do you think that's why he wasn't scared then ? Because he's like I wasn't scared , I think partially . Because he's like yeah , all that's much like I've dealt with all of that .

Kip 5:17

Yeah , maybe .

Amanda 5:19

Maybe he's just like a calm guy .

Kip 5:21

Yeah , that's a good . We'll put a pin in that and come back to that . Okay , what's secret society also shares an affinity for the number 23 ? This is more general . I just I learned this on the audio commentary of the episode .

Amanda 5:35

Dan Dan . No-transcript .

Kip 5:38

I've never heard of that secret society . I don't know what's it called . I think actually .

Amanda 5:43

Not a secret society , it's these .

Kip 5:46

Illuminati .

Theresa 5:47

I didn't get to guess How's going to say the Illuminatus , the ?

Amanda 5:51

Illuminatus . I didn't know they had a number associated with them . I know they have the little triangle or something right .

Kip 5:57

I mean they got to have a number . Every secret society has numbers .

Amanda 6:01

What's the 23 mean for them ?

Kip 6:03

I don't know , I didn't think that deep .

Amanda 6:05

Okay , well , if anyone knows , let us know .

Kip 6:06

Yeah , please . Any Illuminati's out there , call in . I'm not sure you're allowed to tell us . I don't know .

Amanda 6:15

Is Beyonce still in the ?

Kip 6:16

Illuminati . I didn't know that .

Amanda 6:19

I don't know .

Kip 6:20

Can't we say that All right , well , so that's trivia . That's good you got one and one .

Theresa 6:26

One and one , I would say one and a half . I was going to say Illuminati , but I didn't get a chance to guess .

Kip 6:30

You get the point .

Theresa 6:31

Thank you , so two to one .

Kip 6:33

What else did you get ?

Amanda 6:36

The child and the imagery . Oh , that's really the half .

Kip 6:42

You're two halves .

Theresa 6:43

Go home , all right .

Kip 6:46

Well , now it's time for Teresa's dream of consciousness .

Theresa 6:52

Also , this is not my best stream because I was just watching it pretty hard . Okay , some cute outdoor soccer , everyone's happy . Clearly that's going to change right away . Yep . And guns Terrifying . Oh , and they're going to take the children and they're hitting old folk Fantastic . Did we just give a kid a gun ? Oh , you want a child to kill a man ? For God's sake , this is traumatizing . Okay , well , shit , echo , damn . Okay , all right , I wouldn't say he's a born killer . That's a little ridiculous . Okay , so you're just going to take the one child , not the children . Okay , well , this isn't clear long time . No see , there's actually so adorable , but Aaron's fucking huge though .

Theresa 7:38

Oh , oh , did you have to get that intense though , mr Echo ? Also , am I the only one that doesn't know what that brown stuff is Like ? What if it wasn't in a baggy ? I wouldn't think twice about what it is Like . Claire seems to know just by looking at it . Oh no , what does Mike want with guns ? And why does Locke know ? I like that . Charlie still tries the gin , even though they can't really communicate .

Theresa 8:01

Whatever is happening , echo is very intimidating . You know , I think I prefer the facial hero on Echo . Ew , I hate the way the drugs like bead up with one touch of his tongue . Ew , you know , echo is still so Y sounding , even with this whole drugs thing . Oh , it's heroin , gotcha . You know , I'm not sure how he's soulless , where you're getting that from ? Hold on , that's a sharp knife , okay . So that's pretty brutal . So clearly he does have a soul . If he didn't kill a kid , right , that's where he's gonna draw the line . Claire has gorgeous eyes .

Theresa 8:40

Charlie , maybe just don't lie . You know , heroin literally just looks like sand . Is that what it actually looks like ? Oh , and now we have Locke teaching Michael . Does anyone remember ? Did Locke's dad actually take him hunting ? How much time did they actually spend together ? Also , I'm also surprised that Michael didn't go wandering off to find Walt .

Theresa 9:00

To be honest , also , what a waste of mail . Don't they need that for sandwiches ? Your food isn't endless . Wow , echo just knows . Hey , he knows .

Theresa 9:09

And people are lying Also . What's with this lying streak , charlie ? What's going on ? I have the same questions though , echo . Why the lies ? Oh , it's the smoky , smoky monster . Oh , and that's Echo's brother . I wonder . When they saw each other last ? Oh , three years . They answered my question .

Theresa 9:27

Well , this is an intense convo , interesting that it's mutually beneficial , but you know , still wrong . Okay , this cute safe business is kind of cute , like everybody loves Sawyer . Also , did anyone notice that Echo is so shiny and that Charlie has very sharp teeth ? I think he's more judging the lying than anything . Charlie , okay , gross , that guy's decomposing . How long ago was this ? Wait , what ? How did this guy save your life , echo ? I hope you washed your hands after touching that decomposing body . Did it smell ? Was it gushy ? How does this work ? Yeah , I'm using a tough spot and I feel kind of bad for him .

Theresa 10:07

I don't understand how everyone can climb trees all willy nilly . Is this a skill most people have and I don't ? Oh , shit , hell , no , oh , my God , they're just staring at each other . Echo has no beard . Wait , the smoke monster is lightning in it . Is it weird that that monster , like turned around , like it has a head ? I kind of just thought it was like a mass . Do you still get to sleep in the bed if you have a shift in the hatch ? I thought you can just type whatever , michael . Okay , so if quote unquote Walt starts typing , then you can type back . Jack , haven't seen you in a while . Nice of him to bring up Walt , though Kind of seemed like everybody forgot about him , the plane that fell with Boon's sad face .

Theresa 10:47

Interesting how everything is so intertwined . Wait , why doesn't EO want him to go ? Oh , shit , that's why . Oh , yummy , no , wait , why did we kick Echo out of the plane ? Are we mad at him ? What's with the orange tint and all these flashbacks ? How long ago was this ? Oh my God , are we gonna see yummy ? You know what .

Theresa 11:06

He's too comfortable touching the decaying bodies , honestly , and like , how long ago was it that he's like decomposed ? Did Boon see the body when he was up there ? Why does yummy have so much hair ? I thought he was bald . Oh , is this the moment that Echo changed his ways ?

Theresa 11:21

Again , we're too comfortable around dead bodies , even Charlie's , just like , hey , what's the pink stuff coming out ? Charlie , don't take it , for God's sake . Um , what the fuck Should we be starting a fire in a jungle ? How the fuck are you gonna put it out ? Shouldn't you all be sweating standing that close to a fire ? Why didn't the plane explode ? Why isn't anyone running over it to the clearly fire smoke ? Ah , son , son and Jenna nice , aw . And look at Libby and Hurley so cute , okay , but why are Sate so cute , though ? And even Jack doesn't see that face or a pissed about it . Honestly , good for Claire , I get it . You trust someone in this awful situation . Then they lie to your face . Um , where is he going now ? Why doesn't he build a shelter somewhere else on the beach , like Libby did ? Oh , cause you're a sketch bag . That's a lot of drugs , charlie .

Kip 12:06

I have some follow ups Okay .

Discussion on TV Show Inconsistencies

Kip 12:09

I also thought Claire looked great .

Theresa 12:11

Yeah , her eyes are amazing she was ?

Kip 12:14

I don't know . It's been awhile since she's been on there , so I don't know if she like .

Amanda 12:17

I particularly think she looks great for having given birth 72 hours ago 72 hours To the world's biggest baby .

Kip 12:24

At least the baby doesn't have teeth yet .

Theresa 12:26

It kind of looks like it's . It looks like it kind of when it was like crying .

Kip 12:30

I think she used several babies cause like it looks different all the time . Yeah , she looks great .

Amanda 12:33

I love her voice so much . She has the cutest little accent . She was great .

Kip 12:37

Yes , locke and his dad did go hunting . They did show it Perfect , perfect . Why Sharp Teeth , charlie ?

Theresa 12:45

What was that ? Yeah , I just kind of noticed that he had sharp teeth .

Kip 12:48

But how and why did you notice that ?

Theresa 12:51

When he was talking to . I was just kind of annoyed that Charlie was talking so much and lying so much , so I was kind of glaring at him and then I was like man , your teeth are sharp .

Kip 13:00

Like pointy , yeah , oh , okay .

Theresa 13:03

Yeah , like pointy .

Kip 13:04

I didn't notice that , but I also was really annoyed with Charlie .

Theresa 13:07

Too much .

Kip 13:08

I think the tree climbing thing . A lot of these trees are climbing . They look pretty .

Theresa 13:13

Thick .

Kip 13:15

Thick and low slanty .

Theresa 13:17

I think they'd be fairly easy to climb . How are you gonna climb a thick tree ?

Kip 13:21

You need to hug it and kind of just .

Theresa 13:23

Wouldn't your arms and your legs ? It all scratched up ? You just wear a T-shirt . You know what I mean . Like these people are too agile .

Kip 13:28

Yeah , but I mean they're doing what they need to do to survive .

Theresa 13:31

It seems a little unlikely that this many people would be this agile .

Kip 13:34

Okay , you've only seen a few people tree climb out of like over 40 . Fair fair point yeah , the smoke monster . When it turned , I thought that was really cool . Yeah , I liked it it was neat how it kind of like went into itself and like straight back without actually turning turning . I thought it turned , no , it like retreated , like it went through itself and just like went backwards .

Theresa 13:54

Yeah , that was really cool . Oh my God . Yeah , it really freaked me out . I was like I've completely forgot about this , because we have all these , you know , other issues , yeah . And then it came back today and I was like whoa .

Kip 14:07

I also was reading about Yemi's hair and that's sort of like a what they call on oopsie or inconsistency . What do they call that in TV shows when it's like inconsistent ?

Amanda 14:17

Oh , I know what the word you're looking for Fuck .

Kip 14:21

Yeah , I can't . I think of it now . It's like not a blooper , but it's like yeah . Yeah , it's one of those things . It's like the .

Amanda 14:27

Starbucks Cup and Game of Thrones or whatever , yeah what is that called ? I can't believe we can't remember this . That is so frustrating . Yeah , google it , keep talking yeah , me's hair .

Kip 14:35

yeah , because he's like has no hair when he gets on the plane .

Theresa 14:38

Yeah . And then he's I'm like does your hair keep growing if you die ?

Kip 14:41

Well , I think I've heard that , but I don't know if it would be that much .

Theresa 14:43

Like it was like good , solid two inches .

Kip 14:46

Yeah , and the orange tint .

Theresa 14:50

Yeah .

Kip 14:51

I think that's just so they could make it look like Africa . I guess they thought by giving it an orange tint it'd be like oh , this is Africa and not Hawaii . Okay , because it's like the way on CSI they make . They do the Miami ones all orangey and the New York ones they have a blue tint .

Theresa 15:06

Oh , I've never . I've never watched any of the CSIs .

Kip 15:08

They always do that , even not CSI like , even in shows , like they always give New York like this blue tint . I wonder why , why blue ? It's cold , it's a cold city , not cold as in like temperature , cold as in like impersonal Concrete jungle . Concrete jungle , exactly Co . Blue and gray , what is it ? I can't .

Amanda 15:27

Continuity error . Continuity error . Yeah , that's the one , yeah .

Kip 15:33

I thought it was a different word , but that's the one I was thinking of . So , yeah , some good points you raised . We'll get into a lot of this as we get into the app . Let's start with this opening scene . Yeah , it looked like it was going to start off real nice .

Theresa 15:48

That's how you know . It's plain that's something that's going to happen . It's some joy Like laughing too happy . Take that away .

Kip 15:53

Yeah , take that away real quick . Yeah , talk about traumatic .

Theresa 15:57

Yeah , yeah , no kidding , like that porch , like I , shouldn't

Exploring Mr. Eko's Complexity and Backstory

Theresa 16:02

? They have names . When Yemi is just like holding the gun , like you just feel this like sadness for him . It's like what's he supposed to do .

Amanda 16:12

Was the old man random or was there a reason for it ?

Kip 16:15

I think it was random . Random Just to show like power and control . Was Echo's name Echo before , or did the gang guy give him that name ? He said his name was Echo . Oh , he did Okay . And then he said Mr Echo , mr Echo , right , and that's when that kind of stuck .

Amanda 16:32

The Mr Echo I think stuck at that point . His name was Echo Yemi . This is brother .

Kip 16:37

I on the audio commentary . They said how Adewale , I think , is the actor's name . He came up with the name .

Amanda 16:47

Oh fun .

Kip 16:47

Echo and they loved it . And then they said to him well , like what's the story behind that ? And then Adewale said well , that's your job .

Amanda 16:55

You're the writer . I love it . Yeah , is it weird that I think he's kind of like Mr Echo in real life ?

Kip 17:00

Well , they did talk about that . How like he . They actually picked him first , before they even had a character . They created a character based on they knew they wanted this actor in the show .

Amanda 17:15

Oh , he's a great actor . Yeah , he's a phenomenal actor .

Kip 17:18

I did say that like they I mean they obviously know him on a different level but they saw a lot of his personality traits in the character assuming not the killing and soulless part . But like the way he could be really they were talking about it when he was talking to Claire on the beach and like he was , like you know , being really nice to Claire and personable and kind of this wise kind of guy .

Amanda 17:40

Very cool , but it means tragic and like kind of you know , I don't like . We know he's capable at this point , we know that he's like , can fight , can hold his own , can , you know , hurt people if he needs to , but we don't have any idea that there's this level of like carnage in his past , right ? No ?

Kip 18:02

Yeah , like , let's talk about Mr Echo before we get into the episode itself . Like Trisha , he's your favorite character , right ?

Theresa 18:08

Currently yes .

Kip 18:09

Well , yeah , okay , yeah , so tell us why .

Theresa 18:13

I love the complexity behind him , like being this clearly violent-ish but religious person , and like I love his stoicism . But I also really like how nothing is black and white for him . So like when he's talking to Yemi about and like this is like later in the episode or whatever . When he's saying , like do you remember how you got that cross ? Like I killed someone for you , Because God you're gonna forgive me for that . Um , like that's a good question . Like how does that work ? So I just like he's just a very wise and complicated but very like strong character .

Amanda 18:57

It's just . It's just so weird to me because we see it here , like when is he just really good at what he needs to be doing ? Like because he is . He is very scary and evil when he's in his like warlord gang leader area For lack of a better word , warlord era .

Kip 19:16

Yeah , you're in your warlord era .

Amanda 19:19

Yeah , I really hope that that's the song 1989 lover midnight's warlord era , um . But when he's in his warlord era he is very calculating and like and . But then it's not that long ago , it must not be that like . How long ago do we think this plane crash happened ? I ?

Kip 19:39

don't know , did he say three years ?

Theresa 19:41

Like it's not . No , it was three years since he saw him last when he went , when he went there . Oh , that's why it's like .

Amanda 19:48

I don't know if we know quite yet . He still has hair , though ,

Mr. Eko and Charlie's Character Analysis

Amanda 19:52

yeah but that could be .

Kip 19:52

How long does ?

Amanda 19:53

it take for a body to decompose ? Chat GPT . How long does it take for a body to decompose ?

Kip 19:59

Oh , good question .

Amanda 20:01

But we don't know what stage that decomposition , decomposition . Um anyway it doesn't really my point is like how did he get from like warlord to that level of wise and calm in that amount of time ?

Theresa 20:17

I think he's always been wise and calm , and I think that's why warlord Echo was so scary .

Kip 20:23

Yeah , and like I think to your point when you were doing your stream of conscious is yeah , you think yeah , okay , he must have some of the soul . Obviously everyone has a bit of a soul , but like I don't think it was necessarily out of the goodness of his heart that he let that kid live . It was to instill fear in others . Yet Like it was like to portray to continue this mythos of Mr Echo as this , like , like larger than life , almost like Godlike creature . Warlord , warlord , yeah .

Amanda 20:53

Cause I also just feel , like in his mind , when he's talking to him and he comes back and he's having that conversation you just talked about Teresa , about the like I killed to like save you and you're going to find out that the idea that he did all of this to save his brother is like a very common thread in his mind and his like consciousness , clearly conscience , conscience , but like , is that what it is ? He just he feels like he can justify every action because it started with his brother being saved and then , once his brother is no longer saved because of him , then like he kind of shifts into this like now I have to do this because I lost my brother . Like is that kind of the ?

Kip 21:37

yeah , it's almost like he is set up from the get go of that moment to to justify every course of action that he's taking .

Amanda 21:47

And now it's like my brother's gone and it is my fault , so now I can't justify my actions anymore . So now I'm going to like give all that up and be a priest and be like he kind of took on his brother's life , I agree . I found him very complicated for that reason , and I love it .

Kip 22:05

Yeah , totally . And like I guess at this point we're assuming he assumed his brother's life at that point , because we really don't know what happened between when the plane took off and when he's on the island . So , like we know , he's very pious and like a very religious person , so we assume that he sort of took on this religious role . We must find out more .

Amanda 22:30

I think we do and also like . I think , just like at this point you kind of assume that he did because he's carving scripture into his staff . Yeah , and he clearly has . Like because , like he's , he was very I don't know what the right word is like quick tempered or like decisions that weren't good , like I don't think he had to kill those drug dealers .

Amanda 22:50

No , no , that was so random , it didn't seem more like it came from like a place that he like felt disrespected from by them . Then , like I'm like I don't , I don't know , maybe I'm wrong , but it didn't seem like that was going to be , like it was his intention when he went there , Like he was lowballing them on the drugs , Like I feel like the reason he killed them was because he was like disrespectful and so like even that like he's not like like quick tempered , like that really on the island and he right .

Amanda 23:24

Like so his whole like . I mean he's a little bit with Charlie , I guess , but for the most part it just seems like he just calmed , like down a lot and he's got the staff with scripture and he's telling Charlie he's a priest . So I do feel like his life must have even though we haven't seen it yet taken a big turn .

Kip 23:39

Yeah , no , that's fair .

Amanda 23:41

Yeah , like like , persona is different .

Kip 23:47

Yeah , for sure .

Amanda 23:48

His temperament , I guess , is more .

Kip 23:51

And about Charlie . I had so many . Charlie was a roller coaster for me . This episode , like most of the time , like so frustrating , getting on my nerves just like shut the fuck up , Charlie , so much .

Amanda 24:04

He must rank like where does he rank on ? Like the like traditional , like loss characters , some people love him , chris loves him .

Kip 24:13

He has to get . Chris back on A lot of people love him , like even on Reddit , like he's very well regarded , but then like I , like he was so annoying , but then like he had moments where he could be sincere when he needed to be and when it counted almost .

Amanda 24:32

All right , let's go around the table and talk about our least favorite and best , most favorite and least favorite moment of Charlie in this episode .

Kip 24:39

Okay , I'm just going through my notes .

Amanda 24:40

Okay , I'm going to start . Okay , Um , when he , when Echo is trying to pray over the dead body and Charlie shut the fuck up . Like that's so disrespectful , like the man is praying over a dead body that they found and you cannot , and he's just like berating him , like he's not even like can I help , can I ? Whatever he's , he's berating him while he does this and I thought that was so rude . Um , I do like that he came clean to Claire at the end . That was like that's the best moment I find .

Kip 25:20

Uh , go ahead . Oh no , go ahead . Oh , I was going to say I agree with you about the praying thing . That was my note of like my first few notes . Okay , charlie , oh , first note is Claire's looking very pretty today ? Second note Charlie is trying to be so sneaky and Charlie is lying . Oh man , charlie is annoying . Mr Echo is so smart . Oh my God , charlie shut up when Echo is praying . Um and then so , and then the next thing was I do feel a little bad for Charlie because he's very clearly just looking for some validation and like I think that is what prompts a lot of his annoying things , is that he he's very major self-esteem issues

Character Analysis and Love Triangles

Kip 26:00

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Kip 26:00

He's like this minor celebrity and sort of like in a weird way we know his history a little bit Like he annoys the hell out of me and like I can't stand him most of the time . But I can also feel bad for him in the sense of like he just really wants people to genuinely like him .

Theresa 26:15

He goes about it in all the wrong ways .

Kip 26:16

But so I think I don't know there was . I can't remember exactly what it was , but there was some moment in the episode where I kind of that kind of went through my mind , and I guess that would be the moment for me , but I don't remember what it was .

Theresa 26:29

Praying is unanimous . Like that was just not appropriate . Charlie reminds me of like a kid and it's so Annoying that it's hard for me to figure out what the best moment was . Maybe when he joined in at the end with echo For the first time , he like shut up and like was being like respectful yeah , but the rest of the time , like I found him just being like he would hold . He had like no accountability yeah , the entire time . He's like you're not the boss of me , yeah , you can't judge me for this . Like is my brother's fault . It's like okay . Like you're also an adult . Like let's .

Amanda 27:16

It's true he does lack accountability . I do Eat like yeah , even in the beginning . You're right , he's a child because he's at the beginning when he's fishing with Jen . Yeah , it's like singing and talking to Jen , even though he knows Jen can't understand , and kind of making , like he's just kind of playing .

Amanda 27:31

Yeah , and it's like Jen is like clearly trying to tell him like shut up so I can fish and , and you're right , charlie's like a little kid who's like poking you , being like play with me , play with me , play with me . And honestly , kind of surprised Clare didn't drop out sooner .

Kip 27:46

Yeah , like him can Confessing or come in clean to clear , like I don't really buy because I think it was only because he got caught .

Theresa 27:53

Yeah , he wouldn't have done it otherwise . As echo says , what is the wrong idea ?

Kip 27:57

Yeah , I love that yeah that scene was so good .

Amanda 28:00

Yeah , I even like didn't . When he first said it , I didn't really think about it . Within as soon as echo brought it up , it's like , yeah , why did you say that if ? And then you go and tell her like , oh , I had no idea it was in there . It's close statue .

Kip 28:12

Yeah , oh , that was good . And then like when I like when Charlie tried to explain his addiction , like you said , like it was my brother's fault , we can just kind of see Mr Echo just doesn't really roll his eyes , but pretty much rolls his eyes . I don't fucking care like you're talking nonsense .

Theresa 28:26

Well , especially because the person you're talking to did something to save his brother and now you're blaming your brother for your misfortune . It's like Very different and I don't think he's gonna respect what you're saying , like no , he's like I was an altar boy and that was probably like so was I yeah . Yeah , like I . Totally like come on guy .

Kip 28:50

Okay , let's go quick , let's pivot to some of the B stories . So say it say tell me what you like to look , cuties they are , they are cute man no , I I Do think they're cute .

Amanda 29:06

I actually do think Kate and Sawyer are a better coupling at this point I Just don't like . So he almost dies and she's like all in his business now .

Theresa 29:19

Like I don't really like that like well , remember that when he left she was like all upset that she like didn't say goodbye . So clearly there was always something there . But like almost losing someone , maybe she just like was like I've made my decision for today , for today .

Kip 29:34

Because is it weird that when Like I agree , when Jack came to give him the pills , whatever he was , he was kind of cool with it , mm-hmm . But is it weird that it almost looked like Kate was like , oh , jack's not annoyed , oh , maybe I want ?

Theresa 29:46

Jack now .

Kip 29:46

Like , it was almost like she's a lot of attention . Yeah , exactly because he wasn't freaking out about . Jack's being a Grown man about the whole thing yeah and it made Kate like , want him be like , oh , maybe I shouldn't be with , sorry , maybe I should go , jack if I was Jack , I would be so confused like yesterday .

Theresa 30:02

You kissed me .

Kip 30:02

Yeah .

Theresa 30:04

Today you're cutting his hair and being all like flirty and cutesy , like where do I fit ? Like I don't understand .

Kip 30:10

I already forgot about the kiss . That's so true .

Amanda 30:15

Yeah , you guys watch that how I should , how it should have ended for lost like the YouTube .

Kip 30:21

I don't know actually .

Amanda 30:23

I'm obviously we can't go into anything , but I will just say there's just the one thing where a character you don't know yet says like you just stand over there , kate , being in them like cousin three sir .

Theresa 30:34

All you do is climb trees and cause three , something like you just stand up love triangle , you do what you normally do .

Amanda 30:39

Can you just climb trees and cause love triangles ? And I just like it's , so true .

Kip 30:45

Just climb a lot of trees .

Amanda 30:46

It's a lot of trees , it causes some love . She's a gatherer , yeah , but it's just funny , because even like the At the end of the series , a joke is running . Joke is going to be that she climbed trees and caused love triangles .

Kip 31:00

But I thought it was like I don't know because , because it wasn't a jack centric episode , jack was like good and I'm like bearable .

Amanda 31:09

Yeah , less is more with Jack .

Kip 31:11

Well , because he was like so mature about Kate and Sawyer and I thought it was like actually pretty good leadership when he showed up to talk to Michael . Yeah , yeah , that timing for Michael , but like it was , you know he was showing concern and trying to console him a little bit and give him a little bit of hope . You know we're gonna go and look for him and we haven't forgotten . Yeah , like that was great and it was uh , which leads us to Michael , kind of sorry , go ahead .

Theresa 31:36

No , no , no , go ahead .

Discussion on Characters and Priorities

Theresa 31:38

I was just gonna say we wasted a whole jar of mail and that was unnecessary . We could have shot like a branch .

Kip 31:44

How much nutritional value is it male ?

Theresa 31:47

Yeah , but when you don't have food .

Amanda 31:50

I just wrote a book where someone survived for a week off of sucking the dirty bristles like bristles of a mop in a dirty mop . Oh my god . But I'm just saying that A jar of mail has more nutritional value than that .

Kip 32:08

I suppose it's made of eggs . It could keep them alive . Yeah , that's true .

Theresa 32:11

Well , that's the thing . Like , I know that they have this hatch , but like , and yeah , there's food in it , but there's still like , like are there not empty containers ? That's what I'm like . Like you're telling me that you're just like , let's go in the pantry . I mean , this will last forever . We don't know how long we're gonna be here .

Kip 32:25

Like , so let's just waste this mayonnaise , but it was a good call back to lock . Teaching Walt to throw the knife and now he's teaching Michael to shoot a gun in the very , in very similar Fashion like it was a interesting way for them to frame that a very different or very similar style .

Amanda 32:44

Yeah .

Kip 32:45

And and how far they've come from . When Michael walked in on that , walt's Then hate the fuck out yeah .

Theresa 32:53

Yeah , he was always so angry at lot .

Amanda 32:55

Michael is bad for that . Like the like , I don't .

Theresa 33:00

Want what nothing ?

Kip 33:01

No , I don't know . Why are you ? What are you smirking at ?

Theresa 33:04

Because Michael's bad for a lot of them .

Amanda 33:07

Yes , but Michael's bad for the like . I only like respect you when I need something . So I feel like he's still kind of annoyed with lock probably , but like he needs lock , so he's willing to like put aside his yeah , I can see them . So that drives me a little bit nuts .

Kip 33:23

Yeah , and I didn't really like I don't know I guess maybe what you just said briefly describes it but like I don't get why Michael didn't say anything to jack in that moment . Like why is he trying so hard to hide the fact that he's potentially communicating with Walt ?

Theresa 33:40

I don't know , to be honest , because at the end of the day , like If he's gonna go to save Walt , like he can't do it by himself .

Amanda 33:46

And I think he thinks he can right . He was gonna run off by himself originally . Yeah , yeah but , you know , he's learning to shoot a gun so that he can .

Kip 33:54

Like and locksies right through that like you're gonna go after walled .

Theresa 33:57

Yeah , it's just kind of like you haven't done anything so far about walled . So I would like to think that you have some Um , you know thought process to it . You're also shooting a non-moving target , I don't you know like he was clearly like so proud of him , like , yeah , good shot . But also totally different when it's people who can run at you , attack you . You know what have you like . I just feel like when it comes to Michael , a lot of his ideas are like half baked because he doesn't really like think them through . So I was kind of hopeful that he had thought this one through a little bit . Like Jack talked to him , he's learning how to like defend a little bit . He's like reached out to Locke to like help him . So it's like kind of disappointing if he decides to go by himself .

Kip 34:43

But I mean , that's the thing , though you can't really say that yet because we haven't seen the full process yet , because he hasn't done anything yet , technically he hasn't left .

Theresa 34:51

No , that's true .

Kip 34:52

So for all we know at this point , even though we know , but for all we know is that , like do we know . Well , ooh , we know .

Theresa 35:02

I don't remember and not that . Oh , we know it's really bad , you . Honestly , it's kind of like I'm watching Over the words .

Kip 35:09

I remember very little . You , Amanda , I don't know .

Amanda 35:13

It's just about to hit the motherfucking fence .

Theresa 35:16

I feel like shit hit the family minute . The plane crashed .

Kip 35:19

OK , well , obviously yes .

Theresa 35:23

But why would he hide it from Jack if he ? You know what I mean ? Like it just doesn't make sense .

Kip 35:27

Well and like , why wouldn't you say to Locke , who's clearly bringing it up and who's very capable . Yeah , like , how about a party ?

Amanda 35:35

That's the thing , like at this point . It's not even about like . This is again a prime example to me about how Michael is kind of an idiot , you know what . It's not about your pride of how you have to get your boy and you lost your boy and all this stuff . Ok right . It's not about that . It's about you know what has a better chance of success If a bunch of you go to get your boy .

Amanda 35:58

That's what I mean , Like it's not about your pride and like I don't think at this point , like there's been nothing to suggest that , like he's putting Walt at risk if he brings other people . Like he doesn't fucking know anything Exactly . So it's like you're just like I'm going to get my boy and then you're going to go and try to get him and like be useless at it , because every time he's with you there is a problem , and then you're not going to take the leader , who's fucking capable and fine , whatever .

Amanda 36:26

You don't want to bring Jack into it Because Jack's a bit , you know , stodgy sometimes , but like Locke is like , clearly very capable and cared about Walt .

Theresa 36:34

Yeah , I would tell . I would probably tell Locke .

Kip 36:37

Absolutely .

Theresa 36:38

Because , like , especially when it comes to the hatch , like Locke was the one who was like championing , championing , going down there and stuff like that . So I would just be like , look , dude , probably know the most about this place that we don't know about . But , like they said , we couldn't type here , but take a look .

Kip 36:57

Well , and I wonder if maybe that's part of it is that , like Locke is very adamant that everything that video says is a gospel , like he treats it like that , and here Michael is doing something that it explicitly says not to . So I wonder if that's partly why he's holding back because he's afraid of what Locke might do .

Theresa 37:16

I mean that is true . I mean he did question it when they watched that video , that that time that's one of the few times I agreed with Michael . Same .

Kip 37:22

Being like they didn't tell us anything .

Theresa 37:24

Yeah , he's like it . It told us everything . Like no , like I . It didn't tell . Literally told you zero . Yeah , exactly , we have that lovely montage at the end . Yeah , but I want to .

Amanda 37:34

I do want to talk about that , but let's talk a little bit about this . Just on the like B roll kind of stuff , that's like everyone liking Sawyer now yeah , because that was very cute , it's very cute . And how he's like like he's . So I know . I know that if there was , if this was 1995 , we would . I would get literal letters in the mail of hate about how I'm so hard on Kate but so forgiving . I just feel like people don't send letters anymore . Oh , I thought yeah .

Kip 38:04

I was a little bit confused , too Curious about this date .

Amanda 38:06

No , like I feel like You'll get emails yeah . I would get so many emails .

Kip 38:10

DMs .

Amanda 38:11

Saying how how can you hate Kate so much and be so judgmental , but you're so forgiving of the redneck like thing ? It's only because you think he's hot ? Well , to be quite fair , I find them equally attractive , Kate and Sawyer .

Kip 38:27

Well , and to be fair to that point , I think a lot of people do like Kate just because she is hot .

Amanda 38:32

Yes , so fine . That is not really plays a role in it . Okay , jack's better looking than all of them . Yeah , right , and I still always talk about how annoying he is .

Theresa 38:41

No , I don't disagree . I was just thinking about . I'm like I was trying to look at the poster . I'm like who is the hot one ? Honestly , I find Jim super attractive .

Amanda 38:49

But my point is that I agree that sometimes it might seem like it's we're a little unfair to Kate and pro Sawyer .

Kip 39:01

I'm sorry , I'm I , just I want to go back to who is hottest , ok .

Amanda 39:08

Yeah , does that .

Kip 39:09

That's what we're now doing that podcast .

Amanda 39:12

Well , I mean you brought it up . Yeah , exactly , I'm trying to defend my artistry .

Kip 39:17

OK fine .

Theresa 39:18

OK going and I won't circle back .

Discussion on Lost Characters and Storylines

Amanda 39:20

Jin is hot .

Theresa 39:20

Yes , I know when he walks out of that . Let's not forget about Boone .

Amanda 39:24

Boone is just day .

Theresa 39:26

I mean yeah .

Amanda 39:27

Summer holder is so , just like his eyes are just next level .

Theresa 39:30

It was .

Amanda 39:31

Boone , then Jack . For me , yeah , oh , boone is perfect . Anyway , the point is , sawyer is hot , kate's hot , everyone's hot , the fucking show in the early 2000s Every character is attractive .

Kip 39:43

That's the only way that they got them back then .

Amanda 39:46

But my point is that , yes , sawyer is easier to forgive in some ways , but I'm not like a mute Like . I'm not like , oh , sawyer , you're such a great human . But this scene kind of , I think , demonstrates why I am able to forgive him a little bit more than Kate .

Amanda 40:02

Ok , because it's very clear that like he wants that Like , he wants that love and affection and admiration , but he's just so screwed up from the like very horrific life he had and I can't I don't think we can really understate the level of trauma that that boy experienced when his father killed his mother and then shot himself on top of his bed While he was under it .

Kip 40:28

While he was under it . Yeah , that's terrifying . Like I don't think anyone can truly like .

Amanda 40:33

Let's not downplay that .

Kip 40:35

Right , yeah , not anybody is you know , so he's screwed up , yeah .

Amanda 40:39

But it's so clear that he like wants that admiration . He wants to do good things . But then when he like gets , he's so screwed up in that way that when he's confronted with it , he's like he just shut . Like you can tell he's like so uncomfortable with the idea that people like him now , whereas Kate would do anything for people to like her , and that's really the difference , I think .

Kip 40:58

One line of Charlie's . I really liked this episode .

Amanda 41:01

OK .

Kip 41:02

Was when he called Echo's stick the Jesus stick . That was funny .

Amanda 41:09

Yeah , I appreciate that I like that too . Charlie is very polarizing for me .

Kip 41:15

Oh , me too it's one or the other , like a back and forth .

Amanda 41:18

But Charlie has one of the best character arcs . Like it's just so strange , Like I don't know she's shaking her head , absolutely .

Theresa 41:25

Yeah well , she's always hated Charlie . I don't hate Charlie , no , I just don't think that his character arc is that Great . I think that what we're focusing on Is Something so far from now and that's what people like base their like love of him on . Kind of like how we base some people base their like love of Kate because she's like hot or whatever I'm jealous of that girl's arms , but like as a character , like I don't love her .

Kip 41:54

No , I think right now we don't . I mean , you could think Charlie's character arc is is good . I'm trying to remember . I know eventually what happens to him , but that's all I remember .

Amanda 42:07

Oh , it gets worse before it gets better .

Kip 42:08

I remember that and like quite a lot . I don't remember that , I just remember one part that's about it . And yeah , I'm not a huge Charlie fan .

Theresa 42:16

No , I mean I never , I never really was .

Kip 42:19

But he is polarizing because even in this episode I go through moments where I'm like Charlie , charlie like a child .

Theresa 42:26

He's literally like a , like a kid . Yeah , I know .

Kip 42:29

You're not the boss of me , yeah .

Theresa 42:32

Like what ? When did he say he was the boss of you ?

Kip 42:35

So some , some things about . Back to Mr Echo , because this is obviously his episode . There was , I liked the way . So , to answer your question , the guy kicked him out of the plane because he was pissed at him . Why ? I think because his brother like I think he just associated like his brother calling the army and him like if it wasn't for his brother the army wouldn't have been there , like his brother , not done that .

Theresa 43:09

But also if it wasn't for you if it wasn't for his brother , they wouldn't be going on plane Either way .

Amanda 43:14

I know , but in the moment , yeah , a lot of they were probably like we could have done this a different way . We didn't , and now we're fucked .

Kip 43:20

Like when we're gonna shooting at you , you're not doing a lot of critical thinking .

Amanda 43:23

Yeah , that's fair .

Kip 43:24

That's fair .

Amanda 43:26

So , I'm just a little surprised as to why they kept the brother , just maybe to punish him later . I don't know .

Kip 43:30

I think that was more like there was a lot of chaos going on . Echo put him on the plane , thinking Echo was still getting on the plane , and then that guy was just sort of like , kind of like , no , get the fuck off , like I'm going .

Theresa 43:42

You can take the run , and then he just it wasn't about to waste time kicking .

Kip 43:45

Yeah , I mean , he's out of the plane .

Amanda 43:47

That's true , that's fair .

Kip 43:48

And then I just I like the blood , like the bloodstain of Echo's fingerprints or handprints on the inside of the plane and when he like , notices that one the planes in the jungle like , it was just this like memory moment for him , and you could see it in his face how traumatized he was and just thinking of all those things . That moment , that exact moment where his brother was killed .

Amanda 44:12

Yeah , it was , oh it was brutal . It is his already in just one episode of flashbacks . There's just so much depth and beauty and misery and feeling in one character .

Kip 44:27

Like yeah , such a good character .

Amanda 44:30

I guess no wonder they submitted that for , and then it was nominated for an at me .

Kip 44:33

I will say , though and it's not just Echo I really don't like when people drool , when they cry in TV and movies . It really brings me out of the moment .

Theresa 44:42

Me too , so gross so gross .

Amanda 44:44

It's really what brings me out of . It is what I think about how they're holding a corpse close to their face .

Theresa 44:50

It's the it's the tufts of hair .

Kip 44:51

for me , that really takes me out of it . Leathery skin .

Amanda 44:56

It's just . It looks like he had a bunch of band-aids painted black on the back of his head . What it's a bit .

Amanda 45:02

you just take another , look I was taking another look at what I mean . I don't want to . It's a very textured dick comp on Sasha . I don't remember her kips calling it these days , no , but it went like I get it , like don't get me wrong . Like you know , I've been to wakes or whatever with like open casket . I know people like feel comfort by you know , hugging and consoling and no , but that's a decomposed body , but that's what I mean .

Theresa 45:29

We're all too comfortable with death at this point , because when it was the priest on the ground or like the , the gold tooth guy on the ground , he was like just Echo has been , I think , comfortable with death .

Kip 45:42

That's kind of the point .

Amanda 45:43

Since he was a child , a kid .

Theresa 45:43

When I killed somebody , this is a non .

Kip 45:46

Yeah , but he's been a whole life of killing people .

Amanda 45:51

I will just say well , we're on the topic of killing people again . That like slashing of the throat was that's a very sharp knife .

Theresa 45:59

Yeah , that was brutal , very sharp . They all died .

Amanda 46:03

Yes , I would say so .

Kip 46:05

Oh .

Amanda 46:07

I think they didn't make it on blood out ? Yeah , I mean he's brutal Like , but also I mean also like kind of brutal for like prime time television , yeah , like I know you don't see the blood or whatever , but just that is a very brutal way to die . I thought I was very surprised by that , that that's actually how they got me too .

Amanda 46:27

And when they did , I was like oh , that is a lot to witness , that is a lot for prime time television . So let's , let's get to that montage , because the fucking lost montage is always get me .

Kip 46:40

Y'all have too many feelings I tear up every time .

Amanda 46:43

There's never a moment that sometimes I guess that I'm sad I just Google lost montage or lost reunions . What's a lost reunion Like ? What Like when son and Jin saw each other ?

Kip 46:54

after oh yeah .

Theresa 46:57

I was like that's nice .

Kip 46:58

Oh , I teared , up . Oh , my god .

Theresa 46:59

I'm going to , I'm going to .

Amanda 47:00

It's the , it's the . I literally like pick up cried yeah . Like I was struck by emotion .

Kip 47:08

I don't even remember why yeah .

Amanda 47:12

The first of it that is emotion , If you will is when Jin and son walk up to Anna Lucia with that fish .

Kip 47:20

Oh , I know , yeah , so sweet .

Amanda 47:23

I just said it's set to like . It begins with him like praying and stuff and like talking about forgiveness , yeah , and then you see like Jin go to introduce .

Kip 47:32

Oh yeah .

Amanda 47:33

Son to Anna Lucia and then give them the fish .

Kip 47:35

and you can see , anna Lucia is , like you know , a little bit nervous , but trying like oh , so , and then Libyan Hurly , I mean , that didn't make me cry , that part , it was really the fish part , now that I'm thinking about it .

Theresa 47:47

Oh yeah , 100% .

Amanda 47:49

It was cute Just like those quants , like the whole .

Kip 47:52

Those quants , oh , those quants Lovely .

Theresa 47:56

Yeah , they're great .

Amanda 47:56

They are great , so lovely on top of it , because , like I feel like every episode we see more and more , even when it's just like him fishing at the beginning and him giving a fish to Anna Lucia at the end , we are seeing just like for someone who's so brutal and scary and angry in the beginning , just like this tenderness .

Kip 48:13

But remember he went around trying to give people urchins very early on . And that's what I like about it , because it's actually still quite on brand for his character . Yeah , exactly .

Amanda 48:20

But we're just allowed to see more of it , and it's just he's such a beautiful man inside and out we know you think outside for sure so anyway he's beautiful . It was beautiful seeing the Libby and the Hurley thing . It's cute , like it's nice that he has a friend . And then the Jack Sawyer .

Kip 48:39

Yeah , he's the Anna .

Amanda 48:40

Gadd , it's nice . It's nice to see everyone getting along .

Kip 48:43

Yeah , so we have to talk about this point where well , Charlie's climbing that tree we see the smoke monster for the first time in all of season two .

Amanda 48:54

OK , I wondered about that . I said to Theresa . I said we haven't seen this move monster in a while , have we ?

Theresa 49:00

No , yeah , no , and that's what I think . I said that in a couple streams ago where I'm like are we forgetting that there is a smoke monster ?

Kip 49:10

because we're all just acting like everything's just great , but like how calm was Mr Echo , Not only like just when he faced the smoke monster , but like when the trees are being ripped up around him and he just stands there like holy shit , what a cool guy .

Mr. Eko and Character Rankings

Amanda 49:25

I know he's so strong . What is that ? Is that like I've literally slit throat ? So a few trees being ripped up doesn't bother me . Is it that he just has no give zero fucks now ? Is he just that Zen ? Does he just not Like ? What is it ? Why is he so calm ?

Kip 49:42

What do you think , Theresa ?

Theresa 49:44

I'm going to say call him ABCD , I think it's . I think it's a lot of his like personality to just be like very stoic , very calm , but also I find him to be the kind of person who there's always like an understanding to what's going on . So I feel like if he was faced with something like unknown , he wouldn't be one to like shy away from it , like he would be the one to be like come over here .

Kip 50:09

It's just crazy to me , because this is something he hasn't seen on the island yet and it's very fucking weird , like , like objectively , you see smoke flying around and ripping up trees Like you think there'd be some reaction , that's why I feel like a part of it is also this is who he is , but also like maybe he's just like , so like what the fuck that he just like can't move .

Kip 50:30

But I think , amanda , you touched on it earlier too when we finally see , very briefly , glimpses of what the smoke monster is doing , and in this instant it's flashing things before him and that's things of his past , so we see , like you know , those moments from his past that are meaningful to him . So maybe there was and we , but because we haven't seen that before , we don't know what it flashed at John Locke , we don't know what it's flashed on anybody else who's seen it . So it might have been something more scary , it might have been something totally different , but in this instant it was things that was from his past .

Kip 51:05

That he's connected with , and so maybe there was something that he thought , oh , maybe this isn't actually a threat .

Amanda 51:12

That's what I mean . Yeah , that is what exactly what I was saying , because , yeah , I don't know . Locke is also not scared by it .

Kip 51:20

Yeah , that's right .

Amanda 51:21

Right , so like is it just that if you're on this kind of like enlightened plane of like existence , like what is locking at Gore , very similar in some ways ?

Kip 51:30

right .

Amanda 51:30

Yeah , they both have a lot of faith . They both have a lot of calmness and ability . So maybe it is just that . Or yeah , is it like when you are so damaged and so much stuff is happening , you see those like familiar images . It's like that has that calming effect .

Kip 51:48

Yeah .

Amanda 51:50

Anyway , very cool , nice to see smoke monster again . Welcome back . Can't wait till the smoke monster flashback episode .

Kip 52:00

We are going to see smoke monster . I really want to see his back story . Smoky is her .

Amanda 52:04

We're going to see how he learned to go back through himself to travel .

Kip 52:10

I liked that .

Amanda 52:10

You know we're going to such a good this . It's going to be more compelling than any of Michael or Charlie's back .

Kip 52:16

But I liked . I liked the moment where Charlie said something and I forget what Charlie said and Mr Ech was like I was not afraid , Like , just so matter of fact .

Theresa 52:26

I know I love it .

Kip 52:27

It was so cool , like he's such a cool guy .

Theresa 52:30

I love the things he says , Like when he says I'm not afraid . In the last episode where he was like do not mistake coincidence for fate , I was like yeah , he's awesome . So wise .

Kip 52:40

So that was really cool .

Theresa 52:42

And then fucking Charlie .

Kip 52:45

Is that what you're talking about ? Yeah , god damn it .

Theresa 52:50

Well , I was actually going to say that then .

Amanda 52:52

then , claire Kix mount , oh , well , yeah , he decides to be a scourge bar Do you guys think Claire was ready to kick him out ?

Kip 53:00

Yeah , I do , I do . I think she saw through his lion face . As lion eyes and he continued to try to like lie and justify and do all this shit and it's like yeah , no , what Just get lost , charlie . Like , if anything , she's like I just need a break from this man . I really don't know that well and who's kind of like being a dick about my baby too , like .

Amanda 53:27

I act like a surrogate dad . Yeah , exactly .

Kip 53:29

So it's like no , go away . Yeah , I'm totally , totally in the right , Absolutely .

Theresa 53:34

Like you , especially because they built a relationship in such a short time . Yeah , and to have him betray her trust in less than two months , when he's essentially being like her boyfriend , slash partner , slash baby daddy , even though he's not to have then lied to her face and just be like I don't care about the drug , that's fine , like , no , you have to take accountability for what happened . Like you kept this and like then you lied to her . Yeah , exactly he shouldn't have expected anything different .

Kip 54:07

Well , and then we see like he's still lying to her Because he's making this big scene about how he doesn't care about the drugs and he's dumping it out in the sand . But then he's got this whole stockpile secret , secret stockpile .

Theresa 54:20

So he's still lying so like what ? Like yeah , it was , it was just very disappointing .

Kip 54:24

I mean I get that there's something to what he said about he just felt safe with it being around . Doesn't necessarily mean he's using , but I can somehow understand that reasoning . I'm disappointed , jolly Well on that note , I'm curious to see where Charlie ranks in your weekly rankings . So let's hear how Charlie did .

Theresa 54:45

Okay so I think that nobody's gonna be that surprised that Michael is still in number 16 with negative 805 . Then it's Kate with negative 280 . Then we have Anna with 200 or negative 255 . Then we have Desmond with 60 , walt with 240 , charlie with 270 , liberty with Liberty , libby with 330 , jack with 760 , claire with 780 , sawyer with 855 , and then Echo with 1145 . Then our top five . We have Locke at number five with 1155 , jyn with 1200 , side with 1255 , hurley with 1460 , and then Sun , our queen , at number one , with 1560 .

Kip 55:34

Oh there we go . Pretty good rankings .

Theresa 55:36

Yeah , I mean , I think some people thought that Echo would get lower , maybe because of like , I don't know , like I feel like Amanda always assumes that whenever it's like the main person or like it's their episode that they tend to like , like kind of go dip a little bit . I don't think so , I don't think , or did we just assume that for Michael's episode ?

Kip 55:57

I think we know that from Michael's episode . I don't think we need to assume it . I think we know that Michael goes down .

Amanda 56:03

I would have thought it would be the opposite , that people's ranking would go up for their episode Typically .

Theresa 56:07

But I think they don't usually . I think the trend has been that they go down .

Kip 56:13

Well , we'll have to check it out . Look at our history of rankings . You'll see some fancy looking graphs on our Facebook page . Let's get lost on pod and we'll see what happens there . Thank you so much , Teresa .

Amanda 56:31

Alrighty . So it's time for us to see where our personal rankings rank . Just a reminder right , it got 8.7 .

Kip 56:40

7 .

Amanda 56:41

I'm DB , so let's see , I would give this a 9 out of 10 . I love it . I love Mr Echo too . I don't love him as much as Teresa does , but I think he's a very solid character . What I love about Mr Echo as a character is we are in season two and lots of television shows throughout history have introduced characters into , like , later seasons , and it is often clunky . It's often very obvious that they're coming into something you know and playing catch up or never quite reaching the level of the characters you're already like and love . But Echo is so well developed as a character and I think that's a really big testament to David Lindelof and Carlton Hughes . I think it's a good testament to the actor . I think it's a good testament to the world that's being built here . But there's just so much . He is so multi-dimensional , he's such a deep character and he's just really intriguing to watch his morality , his moral compass , how he thinks , how he feels , even , like I said , that catching of Charlie , like why would you get the wrong idea ?

Amanda 57:50

Like everything about him is so flawless as a character and how he's written , how he's portrayed , how he's received everything . So I think this is great because it's an Echo episode and gives us all of that . I think we get a little few good little insights to keep us going on the other kind of you know B storylines to keep us kind of , we're still seeing a little bit of the Walt thing , still seeing a little bit of what's going on with Sawyer , seeing Jen and Son kind of come back together , seeing Anna Lucia trying to still get kind of in with the crowd . So I think that it just I actually think you know what . I think I have to give it a 9.5 . Now that I'm talking myself into it because it's just there's so many little I can see why it was nominated for an Emmy , disappointed that it didn't win . That's my words on it .

Kip 58:34

Yeah , 9.5 . For me too , it's one of the best episodes of season two . Echo just fits in seamlessly . It's so organic , it's so just like fits , and I think it is a testament not only to their writing but just the thought process of the show , like clearly this was a character that was thought about probably as early as season one and that's why it fits so well and like . You get everything that makes loss great in this , in this episode the backstory , the on island mythos , the character development , the characters on the island . Yeah 9.5 , it's one of the best episodes .

Theresa 59:16

Um , I think this is the first time in the history of let's get lost that there is a three way unanimous . We'll have to check the archives . No , I'm not Actually . I feel like there is an episode that we gave a 10 to , maybe we all gave a 10 to it hasn't been for a long time .

Theresa 59:36

Yeah . So it's for the first time this season , for sure I also give it a 9.5 . I love Echo and this episode really just solidifies that . He just seems like he's always been there and having his flashback made sense like having Anna Lucie . His flashback was kind of like eh , but like his flashback just felt like it belonged , it made sense with the story . I hate Charlie like that's really where I'm docking the 0.5 , because he's so frustrating in this episode and I don't love his like lying arc that he's kind of going through . But yeah , echo is a great character and I I loved him the minute he walked onto that screen .

Amanda 1:00:14

All right , I know it's not traditional to say anything after we do the rankings , but I just have to say something you said really triggered something in my mind about the show in general , where you said that you feel like he was like a , always going to come in as a character .

Podcast Discussion on TV Show Planning

Amanda 1:00:26

I think that you're probably right and what I love about that idea is that on a show on a network on in 2004 , the fact that they had it A planned out that much in advance , but B that they would withhold any sort of like possible goodness to the show for later , it just was not heard it back then . It was like everything in the kitchen sink up front to try to get those viewers , to try to get those ad sales , and just the idea that , if that's true , that they showed that level of restraint , I just find even more impressive .

Kip 1:00:59

Totally agree , all right . Well , thanks for listening to this week's episode of let's Get Lost . Please follow us on social media . Let's get lost up pod on our Instagram where you'll see all kinds of cool things like charts that track Teresa's rankings and our ratings on the episodes , and pictures of behind the scenes stuff of us in our cute little recording studio with our pop figurines that will blur out so there's no spoilers and all kinds of cool stuff . We really appreciate everybody who follows us and and tags along . Thank you so much for listening .

Amanda 1:01:30

Bye bye , bye .