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Let's Get Lost 34 - Season 2: The Hunting Party
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Join The Oceanic Three as we discuss the Lost Season 2 episode - The Hunting Party. Find out how Jack's drive to fix everything echoes across his personal life and leadership on the island, and join us in guessing games about Sawyer's nicknames and contemplating the eerie power dynamics of The Others.
This week's episode navigates the treacherous waters of island drama, where personal entanglements and leadership decisions collide. We'll scrutinize Jack's tumultuous relationship with his wife Sarah and his often misguided attempts to be everyone's savior. From the group's questionable fashion choices to their perplexing state of cleanliness, we'll have a laugh while diving into the deeper implications of their strategic moves and missteps—including Jack's impulsive "build an army" strategy.
We'll share our character rankings and episode reviews, discuss fan favourites' screen time, and dissect the episode's placement within the greater story arc. Whether you're a die-hard "Lost" aficionado or love unravelling character-driven dramas, this conversation is packed with humour, insight, and a palpable affection for the series' twists and turns.
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TheresaWe're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking , but even more so we love talking about lost . So join us for some laughs , good conversation and let's get lost together .
AmandaHello everyone and welcome to this week's episode of let's Get Lost . I'm your one host of the week . I fired the other two because they made so much fun of me leading up to this episode , so now you'll just get my unadulterated thoughts on the episode , uninterrupted 45 minutes of just Amanda 45 minutes of Amanda and how much she hates Kate . Kate's barely in this episode , but I probably still could do it .
KipOh , kate is in this episode . Yeah , she is . I'm sure you're gonna hate her for it .
AmandaAnyway , that's the sound of my co-host , kip , who is back on deck , and we are also joined by our dear friend Teresa .
KipHey Teresa , what's going on over there ?
TheresaNothing , I just wanted to do an awkward pause because wait , I was fired .
AmandaWe're on the radio , you can't have pauses .
TheresaI don't get paid and I got fired .
AmandaAnyway , I'm just kidding . Welcome back to this week's episode where we are talking about season two , episode 11 . The Hunting Party .
KipMm-hmm .
AmandaTeresa , what's ?
TheresaThe Hunting Party about . Alright , so we are on season two , episode 11 the Hunting Party , written by Elizabeth Sarnoff and Christina M Kim , directed by Stephen or Stefan Williams . In a flashback , jack's marriage pays the price when he gets too personally involved with the patient and his family . Back on the island , jack accompanies Locke and Sawyer as they search for Michael . As night falls , they encounter a familiar enemy who reveals himself as one of the others . Back at camp , jack approaches Anna Lucia with an interesting proposition .
AmandaI also think this episode's synopsis could be like off island Jack's marriage pays the price for getting too close to a patient . And then it could be like on island Kate pays the price from Jack getting too involved in Michael's life .
TheresaYeah , I don't like this synopsis because it's like in a flashback Jack Back on island , jack as night falls , and then whatever , and then back at camp Jack . Like these are not . Well , it's a Jack-centric episode , it is , but like we don't need to have every kind of iteration of like what's happening .
KipAlso , like Jack , gets too personally involved . Yeah , surprise , surprise .
AmandaThat's just also could be the synopsis for the entire series .
KipYeah no kidding , jack gets too personally involved and there's ramifications .
AmandaIn everything happening around him at once .
KipExactly All right . So this episode got 8.4 out of 10 on IMDb . Well , I shouldn't say got . It currently has a rating of 8.4 out of 10 on IMDb .
AmandaPretty high .
KipNot bad . It's 18.13 million viewers and anyone want to guess how many nicknames there were ? We're still counting like the regulars . It was a pretty heavy one .
AmandaOh , really , I can remember two Same , so I was going to say three just to .
TheresaI was going to say five , to be safe .
KipWell , it's four , okay , so Paul's Locke , mr Clean , mr Clean and Daniel Boone .
TheresaPaul's the weirdo Zeke for some reason , I don't know that man at all Me either . I was like is that a name ?
KipI don't know why he chose Zeke . I'm sure there's a reason . But I like it and the classic freckles so cute . That's a cute name Around days 51 to 52 on the island . Getting up there . Getting up there , are you guys ready for some trivia ?
AmandaYeah , absolutely .
KipOkay , how many episodes is it until Michael appears again after this one Spoiler alert ?
AmandaI think it's like 11 .
KipOkay , that's wrong . Teresa , she's looking through the manual .
TheresaI'm going to say in my wildest dreams , the rest of them . But that's not the answer , obviously . Six .
KipWrong , it's eight . It doesn't appear again for eight episodes . That's a lot it is a lot when you're like a main cast member .
AmandaDid he also get a DUI ?
TheresaQuote on quote main .
KipWell , he is Like I'd be curious how was he doing something else at the time ?
AmandaWell , I know that they did cut a lot of people for having like off island or like on island , like off camera , like issues in real life . Like Daniel Day Kim got an impaired at one point .
KipDid he ?
AmandaI think so .
KipI know about Michelle Rodriguez and who plays Libby .
AmandaYeah , like lots of so essentially like people get punished essentially on island for their real life counterparts . So I wonder if he had something like that . My understanding , too , is that they don't pay them if they're not in an episode . I wouldn't think so , so maybe it's just a budgeting thing too , and maybe they're only required to be in a certain amount of episodes , who knows ? But good riddance .
KipAll right . Question number two the episode director , I'm going to say Stephen Williams , is Canadian but was born in this other country .
AmandaDun dun , dun dun England .
KipWrong .
AmandaSouth .
KipAfrica Wrong Jamaica oh .
AmandaOkay , okay , question number . He's a Canadian born abroad .
KipA Canadian born abroad . That's right , so we're going to get our can con in here .
TheresaCanadian content oh okay .
KipThe Stephen Williams was nominated for two Emmys for his work on Lost , but did not win . He went on to win an Emmy in 2020 . For what show ? With another Lost producer , one of the big guys , one of the main ones .
TheresaI don't know . I don't know either .
KipWatchman . Oh nice With the Lindelof .
AmandaWith the Lindelof demon . Oh , that's a phenomenal show .
TheresaI've never , heard of it .
KipIt's a good show . Yeah , it was a good show . Okay , last question for really getting into our can con here he was also . Stephen Williams was also nominated and won a Gemini Award in 1999 . For what program and bonus points ? If you can tell me what a Gemini Award is ?
AmandaDun , dun , dun , dun dun , it's the Canadian Emmys .
KipBut they also do movies .
AmandaThe Canadian Globes .
KipGolden Globes , the .
AmandaCanadian . Globes I have no idea . I'm going to guess thigh factor .
KipOh my God , I love that show .
AmandaMe too . What's that ? Oh , it's so good . Oh my God , I want to watch that . I narrated it , didn't you ? Yeah ?
Theresahe did Is it a Canadian show ? Oh yeah , it is , oh my .
KipGod , what did he want for ?
TheresaYeah , yeah , because it's Gemini oh yeah , I thought oh yeah , yeah , yeah , that was a dumb question , let's just cut that .
KipOkay , you're probably not going to get it , so I'm just giving you the answer North of 60 .
AmandaOh , also great show , Great show Well but no incorrect Hard time .
KipThe David Milgaard story .
TheresaSo good , never saw it .
AmandaSo good , well earned .
TheresaYeah , well earned .
KipOh my God , that's a good story to tell the story of David Milgaard , the victim of one of Canada's most notorious miscarriages of justice , and the fight for his exoneration .
TheresaYeah , never saw it so good . I'm not very good with the Cancon apparently .
KipWell , they have Gemini awards and they also have Genie awards , although I don't know if they do Genie awards anymore .
TheresaI don't know . I know that Matt and I have been to the Juno awards . Sure have . That was exciting .
KipI was in the red carpet audience for the Juno awards when they were in Winnipeg . We were at those . No way , that was so long ago .
AmandaI didn't know you . Then we went in 2014 . Oh , I went in like 2008 or whatever . We went when Brett Kissell won New Artist of the Year . Brett Kissell yeah , I know , was he there ?
TheresaYou saw him .
AmandaYeah , I didn't have this deep love for him at that time . We were there for Tegan and Sarah .
TheresaWe were there for Tegan and Sarah and I remember thinking we had to dress up because it's an award show , but it's in an arena , but it's in an arena . So I remember us wearing nice-ish dresses , as though someone was going to take our photo and walk through the arena , or something like that .
KipNo , this is a concert .
TheresaBut it was a good night .
KipWell , there we have our trivia and facts . So this is an episode directed by a Canadian director who has won some prestigious awards here in Canada .
TheresaAnd is now being reviewed by three Canadians .
KipThere we go , cancon , cancon .
AmandaAll right . So I think that means we need to get right into the episode to discuss Stephen Williams' fine work , and we'll start by doing what Kippy .
KipTheresa's .
AmandaDream of Consciousness .
TheresaAlso .
TheresaAll right , the hunting party . Ah , it's Jack's turn again . I suppose it must be so hard to tell people that they are essentially not able to have a surgery . Man , christian's ego must be a little bruised . I have such a hard time with this Someone pleading me to try . I would struggle so hard to say no . And then I would struggle . If the outcome was not favorable , I'd definitely beat myself up . Jack's kind of a brave man . His father clearly thinks that he's a foolish one , though .
Island Drama and Interpersonal Relationships
TheresaOkay , so what the heck happened here ? Why is John on the ground ? Michael , what the what ? Didn't we just praise you for not doing shit like this ? Okay , yeah , why don't things happen together ? Why , alone , you'll literally die ? Just bring someone with you who's gonna hit the button y'all . You know I'd probably freak out a little if I was stuck in there . So good for them for being pretty calm in a crap situation , okay . But seriously , kate's arms are jacked .
TheresaI'm so confused by soaring Kate , like even her just helping up , is so sexually charged . But Kate , don't wait . Does Kate usually call Locke John , or does she call him Locke ? You don't remember . Okay , so I guess we're gonna focus on the button first , the saving later . Why are they still so dirty when they have a shower and , I think , a washing machine ? Why are we bringing guns to go after him ? I mean , I guess to defend themselves .
TheresaOh so , your love , says Michael , why does this lady seem kind of flirty with our little Jack Aroni ? Holy crap , mrs Jack Shepherd , your ring is huge . I straight up do not remember this woman's name . Jack must have a hard time being , must have a hard time with being a quote-unquote miracle worker , like that's a lot of pressure . How do you say no at that point ? Oh , little baby for Jack . Oh no , no baby for Jack . That's an awkward conversation , like are they even on the same page of wanting a baby ? Thanks , jack , her name is actually Sarah and not Mrs , just Mrs Jack Shepherd . Ha and how some .
TheresaAnd somehow Kate is also coming along . Never mind , he's decided that she's going to stay and he's yelling at her as per usual . I'm glad Sawyer is asking . Jack is asking if Jack's mad at her , because Jack really does just constantly either yell at her or give her Google eyes . There's no in between . Okay , rude Jack , go ask her if I hurt her feelings . That's kind of a dick thing to say . Jack needs to let this whole thing with Sawyer loving Kate thing alone , it's really none of his business . But also , how cute is Jen in a bucket hat ? Wow , jen is seriously such a good friend . No hesitation at hearing Michael and Walt's names and while son talk about a Rock in a hard place , friend versus wife and , of course , jack ignoring Sawyer because he's mad at him .
TheresaThank you , lock . What is the damn game plan here ? And lock , exactly who is Jack to tell anyone what they can or can't do ? Snaps and claps to my friend Locke . You can't drag a grown-up man back and forth just because you don't agree with what he's doing . Jack seems like he's awful and appropriate with his patients and their families . Like , is that where you sign something medical with a closed door and dim lights ? Oh my god , okay , christian , call him out as you should . Someone's gonna tell him this ain't right .
TheresaI love this awkward moment between John and Sawyer . Where did you get your name ? Because of course he's gonna be defensive about it . Wait , don't yell when you're being shot at or when you hear shots . Want to be next . Jack , like you have no idea what's going on other than hearing gunshots . Like also , how can lock smell of its Mike's gun .
TheresaThat's pretty impressive , jack , why are you chill out ? You know , maybe that's Sawyer's friend too , you know , maybe that's why he wanted to come , maybe the bonded , you don't know , you weren't there . And Jack , I kind of see why your dad told her instead of you , because you're a little Anapropy , somehow , like you're too close to this , somehow you have such a hard time letting go and it all just feels so familiar between them , even though , like you're not friends , you're her father surgeon . Keep it that way . And Just like that we're crossing a line . Um , does anyone know how Jack made these torches ? And again , we're seeing how Jack can't let go .
TheresaI'm sorry , what the balls , sir , I'm so uncomfortable . What the hell ? I don't like this guy . He's so creepy . I'm having flashbacks to I'm a friend , we have to take the bore and I'm sorry , I would not stand and talk with this man , but damn , jack's arms looking fine , oh , I think really likes Libby .
TheresaAnd , of course , early , you have a shot . Islander , no , island doesn't matter , early , it's been a day . And yeah , claire doesn't miss you , miss you , charlie . She's pissed at you . Also Her . He's asking for him . Not about your weird situation , charlie is . You're so selfish , you know , I was wondering where Saiyan went and here he is all of a sudden .
TheresaOh and shocker To no one , kate decided to follow . You know , I would be so anxious right now . Look at that face , look at that guy . And also , jack , why would you test your theory here ? Stop goading him . He's terrifying . Why so much bravado if you don't know ? How are all of these people lighting their torches so quickly ? Man , I bet Kate got captured . Oh , for God's sake , she did everyone's weaknesses in the hands of the other hands of the others . I don't know what that means .
TheresaUm , all of a sudden , I'm trying to remember if this dude called Sawyer , sawyer or James , did he even say his name ? I mean , that would be pretty telling , because no one really knew Sawyer's name , as per the convo with Locke Clearly pointed out to us . I'm so uncomfortable , it's insane . Maybe we shouldn't have brought so many guns , because now we are gunless . Zeke , is that this guy's name ? Why would Sawyer know that ? I actually wouldn't . I don't think the boat folks would be like hey , I'm Zeke , I don't have to take the boy . Um , where the hell did the fires go now ? I didn't see them wander off and Jack is mad at Kate .
TheresaOnce more , the never-ending roller coaster of I love you , I'm mad at you . I love you , I'm mad at you Is back . You know , I really like this convo between Jen and son . It's so mature and there's such an understanding with so few words . I love it . I wonder how long these people walk for . I mean , don't they get tired ? Your legs are hurting , or even wearing proper shoes ? Pretty sure someone took shoes off a dead man . You know Kate doesn't say sorry a lot , but I do feel feel for her in this situation like it was a .
TheresaIt was well-intentioned , even though the outcome was less than Favorable . But he's always just mad at her . I got these frustrated and upset , but it seems really harsh . But oh my god , in this red shirt Jack looks flowing . Okay , yeah , so Sarah knows you're an appropriate man , but I'm glad you admitted it . I bet Sarah did something to you .
TheresaShe looks both hurt and guilty . Oh , the line sided . But also , girl , you're still wearing your engagement or wedding rings . So like , wait a mislead us all . But you know what ? That's exactly like what I thought you're guilty , jacuz , but you know what Sarah hit on the head , hit the nail on the head .
TheresaYou're always gonna need something to fix and you're always gonna seek it out , you know , let's note . It must kill him to know that he can't fix his marriage , though . Oh , so you're . That's a nice sentiment , because sometimes we need to hear that we're not alone in our choices , like we're not alone in making mistakes or the wrong decisions . So good for you . Oh my god . So Locke is definitely gonna call story James from now on . Cute , huh . And in case we forgot , the world's fastest room . Baby Aaron and Charlie . No , stop staring longingly and maybe jealous Fully at them . You know , you . You fucked up . Go work on yourself . Maybe stop dwelling . But I get , it's been a day .
TheresaIt's cute that Anna Lucia has Vincent , though he's the goodest boy and he will never judge Condoxy . Mangoes are their ticks on this island , cuz he just kind of roams around . Where did this orange bottle come from ? Didn't Jack only get the blue ones from the hatch ? Anyway , I don't know how I feel about this friendship Situation , ship , who knows ? Also , why are we so casual about killing ? You're a doctor . She doesn't feel good about killing someone , jack , jesus , oh my god , you are not training a goddamn I army . You're on an island . She's not a drill sergeant . Get out of here , jack the end .
KipOkay , wow okay .
TheresaYeah , I had a lot of feelings , yeah .
KipWell , understandably it was a lot . Okay , let me just start with . I'm mostly on Jack's side about the whole Kate thing . Yeah because you said it's none of his business about Kate and Sawyer . But it kind of is , cuz Kate kissed him and then ran away . Yeah , but I mean like he's Obviously gonna have feelings about that and he's allowed to he's allowed to .
TheresaBut I don't think it's fair to Essentially you like you mean the girl you love to the guy , like he was half unconscious , like that's not really fair and like I don't think he should , I don't think he needs to like .
AmandaIt's
Relationship Dynamics on Display in Episode
Amandakind of mocky . Yeah , I didn't really like the way he talked to Sawyer it wasn't .
TheresaI don't think it was necessary . Like you can feel how you want about it , but it's none of your business . If Sawyer loves Kate , that's his business .
AmandaYeah , and that has nothing really to do with Jack and Kate . Yeah , the Kate is the problem .
TheresaYeah , like if you have a problem with Sawyer and Kate because Kate kissed you , then you have a problem with Kate , not Sawyer . That's not really fair to project that on him .
KipWell , yeah , but Sawyer's also an asshole to Jack most of the time .
TheresaYeah , no , definitely , but I think it was unwarranted .
KipIt's easy for Jack . Yeah , okay , if you're looking at it in just the case of this episode , sure , if you're looking at it . In case of the series , there's pretty much always an asshole to Jack oh , totally , but I , so you have to expect kind of this like back and forth .
TheresaI guess I just feel like Jack in this episode does that thing that he always does , where if he's in a bad mood , like you're all gonna get it .
KipYeah , but that's just part of his character . No , I know , but I just didn't think that's a lot of people .
TheresaI always like kind of try to keep things like relatively to the episode , so when it like comes kind of out of nowhere , I'm just like all right , you know , maybe talk to Kate about how she was crying .
AmandaYou grabbed her , she kissed you and then ran because like he can never talk to her about anything like even like at the end which we'll get to whatever like he just shuts down on her so much and it's so ridiculous to me Like I can't . But he's so strange , he is a strange man , like the flashback was , like I don't know What'd you guys think of the flashback . Maybe we should talk about the flashback .
KipOkay , let's get into the flashback , Okay is there always ?
Amandathey always tell us something right , and I even like said at one point , like what is this flashback telling us ? And then , when you get to the end of it , you realize that what it's telling us is it's just reminding us that Jack can't let anything go and Jack always needs to be fixing something . And it's supposed to show , like , how hard it is for him to be letting go of this idea of Michael running off right .
KipYeah , there was a few things in the flashback like that you touched on to Teresa . I mean this idea that he's this miracle worker , a Seemingly reputation that's preceded him like I don't think he's out there saying Going on tours , being like I'm a miracle worker , like in little days in a tent or whatever . But people are talking , it's spreading and now he's got clearly got people coming , coming to him wanting miracles and so that would be really hard .
TheresaYeah , like that's , that's a rough go , and like I think she mentions that she read like medical journals and stuff like that , so clearly like it's pretty widespread . At that point , if people are writing about it and I just can't imagine , I'm sure people are coming left and right being like hey , can you fix this ?
KipHey , can you fix it at that one time ? You can do it again .
TheresaYeah , and like that's . I mean if miracles happened all the time , I don't think it would be called a miracle .
KipNo , I mean Christian is sort of I mean , I think he's pretty good in this episode , like he's not the evil dad that we're kind of led to believe in previous episodes . He's very level-headed , he's really more of that sort of like Medical . There's pretty much zero chance this is gonna work , so why waste your money and our time doing this ?
TheresaEspecially when you can have a year of yeah , of time with this person , as opposed to Taking a like it sounds like a pretty much a zero percent chance that they're gonna make it off the table Exactly , and I think it was good for Jack to have that .
KipNo , okay , wait , it's not good that that guy died , but I mean , in a sense it was . It was a lesson for Jack , a good lesson for him to learn that he can't just fall for the pretty girl . Try to make things work , cuz I do think that was part of it Like she kind of like , kind of like wooed him a little bit .
AmandaYeah , well , he said nothing until she talked directly to him . Yeah and was like try this for us , and blah blah blah blah .
TheresaOr we're here for you .
KipYeah , jack's like weird little relationship with her was bizarre , but makes perfect sense . It does because of the what we come to find out with Sarah , when she said you always need something to fix , same thing happened to her . Mm-hmm , that's what . And really we ? Their marriage falls apart , as we learn in this episode . And and should we be surprised ? No , because should you get married ? Because you successfully operated on on a person and then you're kind of , as the woman , enamored by him because he fixed you ? Mm-hmm .
TheresaNo , probably not a good basis of that relationship that was gonna fall apart pretty quickly , yeah .
AmandaYeah , and like just in general , like his , I agree , christian is like very much like the level-headed chief of surgery dad who's like you don't know what you're doing and Mm-hmm , and he like it's very clear that he gets Jack .
KipYeah .
AmandaYeah , he understands how Jack works with , how he thinks , how he ticks and he is trying , I think , to like without like actually Is like . Some of this obviously predates some of Christians more terrible behavior . Yeah , and it's like . It's very clear that at that there were times where a Christian tried to be more subtle about his like , control about over Jack . Like it versus like . He's clearly just trying to like , be like you're out of line , your Like . He's trying to protect Jack kind of from himself . I think so and it's like not working .
KipMm-hmm . Well , and I think , just the fact that Christian hold Gabriela , that her dad had passed and he sent her home Because , yeah , he's chief of surgery , but he also knew if Jack were to do that , it would be this whole scene . Which it ended up being exactly what he was afraid of and so it's like it was nice to see Christian actually looking out for Jack in that sense Mm-hmm , knowing that he wouldn't be able to handle it as a professional . Yeah , jack's very unprofessional .
AmandaSo Married one Patient and then made out with the daughter of another patient and like yeah , like totally got like Bamboozled for lack of a better word into doing that surgery because this like pretty girl winked at you . I told you you're a miracle worker .
KipSo let's go into when . Okay , the whole pregnancy thing . What was the meaning of that when she took a pregnancy test and it was negative ? Why ? Why was that in the story ?
TheresaI feel like it was in there just to show that like they're on very different pages and like you know he's like do you want to talk about it ? Like there's there's like no support in their relationship at all at this point . Like I think that you would talk to someone I , without saying do you want to talk about it outright when you have a pregnancy scare , whether or not you wanted it or not I shouldn't say a scare , but when you think you're pregnant , if you wanted it , didn't want it I think that , as a partnership , you would have a conversation about it without being like should we ?
AmandaBut I actually think that is exactly showing what you think it's showing , which is , I think he's saying like do you want to talk about it ? Because he doesn't even know what he should be asking . Like should he be saying , oh I'm so sorry , or whoof you know ? Like I don't think he knows , like that's how far apart they want it . Like he's like do you want to talk about it ? Probably to be like tell me something about how you're feeling , because I have no fucking clue .
KipYeah , because the sense I got from him was he was relieved .
AmandaRight .
KipThat it was negative and the sense I got from her was sort of like she's unsure .
TheresaYeah , but I didn't really read .
KipI got the vibe that she was like . I would hope that she's unsure , given that she's cheating on him .
TheresaYeah , I think she's unsure , and I think she's more , just like I know he's not going to be thrilled . So , like , let's just squash this , like I'm just going to tell you because I should tell you , but then that's it , like I really have nothing else to say about it .
AmandaI also don't really understand why she told him like that . No me either .
TheresaIf you like why ?
Amandawouldn't you just tell him what was happening ? Then , like , when she's like I was going to , I was going to wait till I knew either way , it's like , well , why , like there's really nothing to tell , yeah , and she even said because he's like do you want to talk about it ? She's like there's nothing to talk about it . It's like well , then , why did you ?
Kiptell him yeah , exactly that's what I didn't get about the whole scene , like I don't really understand . Maybe if it was just to show us that they're on very different pages and it does succeed , yeah .
TheresaI think that's what . That is what it is , because I think that if I don't know , if it were me and like I thought I was pregnant , I'd probably tell my partner and be like before taking the test I'd be like I think that I'm pregnant , like I'm going to take a test , let's just go through this together . So she did it by herself and I think that maybe , like in her conscience , she was like we could have had a baby , like you at least deserve to know that .
AmandaI wouldn't have told him , or I would have told him what was happening You're having sex .
KipSo the barely there it's .
TheresaAre they though ?
AmandaWell , if they weren't and she was like worried about being pregnant , he should have had more questions about that . Well , maybe that's why ?
Theresaoh well , maybe he's so tired .
KipHe's like man , like man maybe that's why she did it then , because he was been up for like 24 hours and she's like he won't remember that we hadn't had sex in like six months .
TheresaThere's no way I'm pregnant with his baby .
KipSo like okay , so then Jack kisses Gabriella , Well , she kisses him , but he kisses her back and he tells her right away . Basically so like kind of admirable given the circumstances , like he didn't like jerk away and slap Gabriella , but like he didn't also move any further .
TheresaHe definitely , like , went in for it . He was like heck and he always that he describes it as she kissed me and I kissed her back .
AmandaExactly , he owns it , yeah , but I don't think he was hiding anything but like .
Kipwhy did he tell her ? Why did he tell her ?
TheresaMaybe it was his aha moment that like there is something to fix , like our relationship is so horrible and like so disjointed and so broken that like I got comfort from somewhere else , but like I need to fix like us first .
KipBecause he does go on to say I'm going to be here for you , I'm going to stay home , I'm going to , I'm going to fix this as .
TheresaJack does .
KipAnd then she drops the bombshell .
TheresaYou could tell . But first of all I need to give kudos to , as a , julie Bowen for looking both upset and guilty at the same time she's an actress .
AmandaI was like you did something . Ma'am Did not remember that she did something .
TheresaBut I was like oh my God , so good , good for her , get great acting .
AmandaI mean , I think that is the problem is , I think that he had this like aha moment and he's like I'm going to fix this , I'm going to do this , and he , like it was like too little , too late . Like when you , you reach that point in your relationship , birds like you need , like it's great that you're realizing these things , but it's too little , too late . But I also think she it's not even just that , I think she just recognizes a pattern with him . Like he had this horrible thing happen . Then he had this like come to Jesus moment about it , and then he's going to come home and be like I'm a change man . And then I think that's a little bit also why she's like you're always going to need to fix some things . It's like it's not going to last until the next person who needs a miracle worker in the next , like you can't trust Jack to just let go . That's a big thing for him .
KipHe cannot let go .
AmandaAnd we see that on and that is how it reverberates and by the end of it it makes sense to why we're seeing this storyline with this . But it's it's echoed on the island right , like Locke's conversation with Jack about like , why , like , let Michael do what Michael's going to do is I ? You said in your stream of consciousness that you love the maturity of the conversation with Jen and son . At the end , I love the emotional maturity that comes from Locke trying to tell him , like he's a girl , like is it okay how Michael went about that ? Obviously not , no , but I think I I agree with Locke completely . It's like he's now gone off their son twice . He this is clearly all he cares about , which kind of makes sense . He may get himself killed . He may get Walt killed , he may whatever . But at a certain point you have to be like , let him do what he's going to do . He's a human who has autonomy and choice .
KipYeah , he's literally a grown ass
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Kipman . So two questions on that . One what am I missing that Michael is so adamant he has to do it alone ? And two , why is Jack I mean we kind of covered it a bit , but is Jack so adamant of going after Michael just because he sees something he needs to fix ? That seems almost too easy . I think so , am I missing something ?
TheresaThe Michael one in the . I think it was the last episode or the episode before that . He has a conversation with Michael and he says just so you know , we haven't forgotten about Walt and we're going to help you do this . And I'm thinking Michael going off on his own , he's like no , I was supposed to help with this , I was supposed to help fix this . And now you've gone off on your own and like I can't help you , so I'm going to get you .
Theresaso that I can help you fix this . The lock , or was it the lock on the way ?
KipWhy does Michael feel he has to do it alone .
TheresaThat's also what I didn't . I thought I was missing something he's going to knock someone out lock Jack up . And he's only had one shooting session .
KipLike did it say on the computer ? I was wondering that too . Like you must come alone .
TheresaI was wondering that too , but I felt out of nowhere .
KipOne of us would remember that .
AmandaOr is it just like an innate sense of like last time Sawyer got shot and their raft got blown up and like he doesn't want to put anyone else at risk , Like when he had that conversation with Jyn ?
Theresawhen they were still with the others or not , the others , the Thales was that part of it ?
Amandawas he's like I don't remember really but like did he want to be ? Like no , you can't come , I don't want anyone else to get hurt . Like is it that piece of it , or did we miss someone saying like he has to go alone ? I don't remember .
KipI don't think there was any explicit instruction that he has to be alone .
TheresaI don't think so . Like , I feel like that there's no way that the three of us wouldn't like someone would have remembered something , you would think Because like , I don't remember , like did Walt tell him to come get him ? Why is he going north ?
KipYeah , see , that's all . We don't know any of that .
TheresaYeah .
KipWe don't know any of those details .
TheresaHe's like , he , just he just kind of like Vamust yeah .
KipSo we don't know , Maybe maybe he chatted with Walt again on Island MSN and just like and he told them go north or something , but we don't know .
TheresaYeah , because it feels like there's like a gap in knowledge that , like I know , I feel like there's a gap in something that like it's not quite computing , and there's like this confusion behind all of this . Like we got to get Michael back but I'm like why did he leave ?
KipSo I'm assuming you two are on the spectrum of . You would have just let Michael go off .
AmandaWell and like okay , so yes and no , like . So I get like you asked me about , like , why is Jack so adamant ? I get it Like the part is like there's so many little like little bits as to why I think Jack is so adamant . A Jack has positioned himself as the leader and so he feels a lot of responsibility for them , which is clear when he says like to lock , he's like if we don't go after him and something happens , like it's on you and it's on me and it's like , but why ? Why is it on you Right ? Like , how far back does this guilt train go for Jack ? Like , is it on Jack because , and lock because they let him into the hatch ? Is it on Jack and lock because they ?
Amandahelped them build the raft and wanted him to go Like and because you know , whatever , right , like it's just like at a certain point . It's like Jack , why is it on you ? And lock , and I kind of like that lock , like lock , owns his mistakes Sometimes , sometimes doesn't , but like Locke will be like yeah , I did this or I want this to happen , or whatever , but like he's also to be like , why is it on me ? Like I didn't , like I taught him how to shoot a gun once and then he knocked me unconscious to leave . Like , how , like that's obviously not what he was saying , but it's probably what he's thinking Like it's like yeah he's going to do what he's going to do Like it's not up to them .
AmandaSo I think a big piece of that is like Jack being like just like , yeah , needing to be in control . In control and he doesn't want , because I don't really understand , like , yeah , like even Jin was going to let my like , let Michael go right , and what was that time ? Right , oh ?
Kipyeah , yeah , yeah . And then in this time he doesn't decide to go after him because son talks sense into him . Right Doesn't really have that like Locke tries to talk sense into Jack , but they're very adversarial and Jack is very adversarial with almost everybody . That's the fault of his . It doesn't really have that like good second voice to tell him he doesn't trust anyone enough .
AmandaPart of it is that his big second voice in life , his dad , ended up being so adversarial .
KipYeah .
AmandaAnd now there's like no one that Jack will talk to , and like the thing is like it is it's . It is strange me , though , because , like I think , they all react differently . Like Sawyer wants to go because Sawyer is invested , because Sawyer was there when Walt was taken and feels responsible for it and was shot by the people who took him , so he has like his own little selfish like yeah because I think Jack's pretty bang on when Paul's Sawyer out for wanting revenge .
KipYeah , exactly Because it's pretty clear .
AmandaYeah , later on and like Locke goes because Jack makes him .
KipAnd Jack Locke is just kind of entertained by it , truthfully , like he's like , let's see where this goes .
AmandaJack's whole thing is like , like it's not . His motivations aren't actually that clear . No , like what's his plan , like to go help him , to bring him back , like you know , like I think you're right , like Sawyer's motivations are pretty clear . He's pissed at the people who did this and if he can help Michael and Walt while he gets his revenge , so be it . Locke's thing is like lead bygones , be bygones , right . And then Jack's motivations are very like what does Jack want out of all this ?
KipOkay , why does Kate want to go ? Kate always wants to go .
TheresaShe never not wants to go , it doesn't matter what it is . He hates being told what to do .
KipOr what not to do , or being left out , yeah .
AmandaYeah , especially if the two of them are going right , yeah . And then that's another thing too Like why does Jack control everything ? Like I'm not mad at Kate for coming with them or following them , like it was dumb , because like just don't , but I don't blame her for being . Like why does Jack get to be like no , you're not coming .
KipYeah , I didn't get that either , Like I guess maybe he was mad about the whole kiss thing . But even that is silly . Yeah , that's not a reason no , it's not , and like I didn't understand that either , why he was so pushy like no , you're not coming .
TheresaBut he always does Turn around and he attempts to come along .
AmandaHe's like no , no , but I think that's part of it Like he's because he also does realize that if like , it's very like paternalistic and very like . Jack is a very confusing character . He's very strong willed , he's very stubborn and he's kind of misogynistic , like he wants to protect , he wants to be the savior , he wants this . So he doesn't want Kate to come because he doesn't want her to get hurt ?
AmandaYeah , but he can't just be like I'm like like son said to Jen , I don't want you to go . When you were gone last time , I was fucking worried the whole time . Don't do that to me again . And although you know Jen didn't like that like at least she was honest Jack can never look at Kate and be like please don't come . I'm scared if you're there and I'm worried only about you and I can't only be worried about you , because I have to be able to concentrate on what we're doing .
KipThat's the truth , right , I think so .
TheresaYeah , I think you're right .
AmandaBut he won't say that to her .
TheresaHe said he'll just snap and yell at her and tell her no .
AmandaAnd like to be fair , she probably wouldn't like that explanation much better anyway , I don't think she would have listened to that , but at least he's being , then , emotionally honest yeah , yeah , right .
AmandaAnd because I think that's what it is , because exactly what happened at the end is what he was afraid of happening . They've given a choice between doing what he thinks is right and saving Kate . He's going to save Kate and obviously right , there's a reason why they don't like police officers to go out with like on patrol , with their spouses , right , like if push comes to shove you're going to save the person you love , Right Well and then I
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Amanda.
Kipso it's funny you mentioned Theresa about Sawyer's like comforting words that Kate , being like I , would have done the same thing . I'm not so sure Kate found comfort in that . To me it was almost like Kate can tend to retreat when she sees herself in others . So like Sawyer , she sees a lot of herself in Sawyer and she knows Sawyer is kind of an ass and a bad , can be a bad person and I'm not so sure that that was comforting to her .
TheresaI think it's more comforting to me . I think that if I , if I were her and someone said that to me , it would make me feel better and less guilty about the situation . I think I'd be like because I think I wouldn't want to feel like I fucked everything up and like by having someone else say that they would do the same thing would make me feel like my decision wasn't wrong . And then I would feel like validated and like , okay , but you're right , Like Kate is not into the whole .
KipYou're like me , it's the same .
AmandaYeah , and it's . It's interesting because they all are like very strong-willed in their own way , but like just Jack yelling at her , jack , like he can't ever just have like a normal conversation with any of these people . Like even at the end , like fine , I'm not saying like be best friends with the other guy , but like why are you so confrontational to someone who like clearly has ?
KipTom , oh , oh , beardy Zeke , yeah , yeah , just talk , sorry , zeke .
AmandaThe like why ? Why , if you're already in kind of a bad situation and like he's trying to talk like I just think he is so confrontational always and so angry always and he's always like saying Sawyer's making things worth and Kate's making things worse , and all these people are making things worse , but it's like he is so angry Like he comes out swinging on everything he does . Oh , that's so funny .
KipI loved that he was confrontational Zeke . Oh , like I loved it I thought like good for you calling him out and not being like just cowering there against this guy who's trying to be all tough and mighty . He's telling them you come into our island and you don't take off your shoes , and bullshit . Blah , blah , blah .
AmandaOh yeah , and Jack's like we don't want to be here .
KipWe crashed . We crashed Like it's not our fault .
AmandaYeah , no , I have no issue with that . But it's like if he just kind of like he can't really blame Kate and he can't really blame like Sawyer and he can't really like I just feel like he's always kind of blaming everyone around him , but it's like you're the one going in so heavy-handed with a lot of stuff , you're the one who , and then he thinks it's everyone else's fault , and then he comes in and cleans up these messes , and it's like you're also creating a lot of messes here . Like it's not , like you and Zeke were getting along great and then he brought Kate out and was like yeah , exactly ruined it all , like you were that that wasn't gonna end some way poorly .
KipSo let's , let's talk about that Zeke moment , okay terrifying . Let's back up a few steps . I agree . What the fuck , jack ? You start yelling a name when you hear gunshots .
TheresaYeah , that's a Michael move Like I , though when he started yelling I was like oh my god . He's forgotten how bad it is when he would just go wild all the time like Run toward the gun .
KipAnd they find they find a gun , zip by on the tree or whatever it's called , a zip through whatever , and like he starts running and yelling again and Jack's like walk , like shut up Jack's stupid Are you like this is a bad idea , so bad . But then , like it was so cool when , when that beardo came out and was like you should listen to John or Lock or whatever you call them .
TheresaYeah , that was . I got chills when that happened .
KipI was like Hell , no and I remember like watching that and it was like a pivotal others moment because , we only had seen them on . The raft the raft , and then kind of like feet weird creepy , like pulling and stuff , yeah , like just very like haphazardly , and then I like I think it was , I don't think Jack was wrong to like assume , no , I think you're you're fibbing , I think you're like to cause bluff , I think like . But it was such a cool moment when he's like light them up .
TheresaThat was terrible , however Cool .
KipHey creature , how are they lighting ? I guess they'll have matches or ladders like that quickly . Well , if you have a lighter , it would .
AmandaI don't if it's like super like , like .
KipHow did Jack make those ?
Theresano , because he pulled apart these two things and he's like here you go , I'm like I .
KipMean . We have to assume he brought a lighter from the hatch or something .
TheresaDid you see ? It was like us , it was like a . It's like a baseball bat wrapped in a vine .
AmandaNo , I liked it .
TheresaI was like how long did it ? Because they were like we're gonna rest here and he's like no or not , I have his torches .
KipHe pulled them out of his back pocket . I love it .
TheresaIt's so strange .
AmandaBut yeah , that scene was Terrifying and just like the fact that , like someone shot at Sawyer's ear , yeah , and like just clipped him , like yeah , the whole thing , like the whole thing was creepy , like Zeke was very calm and in control and knew everything about them .
KipYeah , exactly .
AmandaAnd then you have this like clearly expert marksmen who can just like Terrify you by , like , just grazing your ear to show you who's boss . And then that moment with the torches yeah , it's like we knew they were like to be able to have the boat and to take Walt and to be able to kill All the tailies and kidnap kids and and infiltrate with Ethan a good one . We knew that they were super intelligent and Capable , but there's something about all that that it's like what are you dealing with ?
KipYeah , and it just like kept the who are these people ? Moment alive .
TheresaWell , the whole thing is just like on top of it all . We know that they walk so silently . And they were just having a conversation . They had just walked that like through an area and then all of a sudden , completely surrounded , without even noticing .
KipI mean it's also interesting , like his full speech about you know , coming to our lot , coming to our island or our house , whatever you call it open our doors and , clearly starting with the hat , and go into our spaces . Blah , blah , blah and we're gonna . Here's the line don't cross it like you come past this line , it's like well , if that's the line , why were you trying to get them ?
AmandaMm-hmm .
KipWell , exactly like . So what's ? There's something missing .
AmandaYeah , well , I was gonna ask you guys that like what do you think ? So ? Why are they cuz ? He said at one point like you , you are alive because we like a let you live , right , and it's very clear that that's the case .
AmandaYeah , especially with that shot with that shot , with how close they can get , mm-hmm . With how much the tailies were tortured . That is , I believe , entirely accurate . They are alive , yeah , because they allow them to live . So why are they allowing them to live and why didn't they ? Why did they fuck with the tailies so much ?
TheresaMaybe they're across the line , Well what ?
Amandadoes that ?
Theresamean .
KipLet's let's look at what's happened so far . They've taken Walt and among their first interaction with the tailies they took the kit and they did try to take Claire . They tried to take Claire , who was pregnant , so like they're clearly interested in something . The common denominator is children , right , so there's no kids left other than Aaron . So Okay , so then why wouldn't maybe they have Walt ? Now they don't need Aaron . Like yeah , I don't know why all of a sudden there's this like truce me exactly .
AmandaI don't understand either , cuz it's like I mean we will understand later .
KipWhy yeah .
AmandaBut right now , when you're like asking yourself these questions for the first time , it's like I don't get it like why now ? Like they have Walt , sure , but they had most of the kids when they killed Cindy or took Cindy or whatever they did with Cindy , right ? So it's like why are they letting this group of people live , cuz they could also just be like , okay , let's go and kill all of them and take that baby .
KipYeah , I mean , yeah , yeah , it's confusing , very strange , and I think it's just too . We don't know everything yet , obviously , so it's just a . There's more questions and answers right now with the others especially .
AmandaYeah , I mean , but very cool scene and yeah , scary kind of being the face of the Others is kind of interesting too and that voice is so distinct .
TheresaOh , I love that . The minute you hear him speak like you're just like mm-hmm , get chills , and then the conversation so unsettling yeah , it is like , absolutely not .
KipYeah okay question . Why Do you also feel like say he's being sidelined , yes , like we get no , with nothing ? Of say that in these little he's morning .
AmandaWhy ? Why did come on ? Was that like him coming and be like ? Where is everyone ?
KipYeah , what was the point of that ? There was no point other than to find out that Kate went , but it's like we could have had that a different way . I think we all know .
AmandaListen the minute that early went down there . Yeah , exactly I also think it would have been entirely great storytelling if we didn't know until he pulled the hood off .
KipYeah , yeah , like we shouldn't have been great .
AmandaI thought them in great storytelling .
KipUm , yeah , I'm . I'm feeling like I'm missing out on Saeed time , like he's really they're not doing in many favors by having him in this Morning period and I don't think he'd be in this morning period for so long I think you'd want to do stuff totally get out of it . He's an . It's enough already .
TheresaAlso he should be a part of it if you should if there's someone you're gonna bring with you , it's the person who's in the National Guard , who is a justice capable , and Republican guard Whoopsie , who is in the Republican Guard , who is very capable . He has experience with like people being taken . And all this other's torturing , all that stuff like why would you not ?
Kipbring him with . I know it seems we're to exclude him and it seems weird that he's just like moping about going . Where is everybody ?
Theresaand at this point we don't know if he's just not around .
KipYeah , it's , it's strange and can we also just say like fuck you . Charlie Hurley is trying to like talk to you and you just make it about yourself as little .
AmandaAt the end , where he's like .
KipLeering .
AmandaYes , I was like the word I'm looking for leering is such a good word for it , leering at Lock and Claire and it's like you are such a loser .
TheresaYeah , yeah , like what happened to you .
KipIt's all from grace .
TheresaWell , that's a thing like take accountability for what you did . You lied to her . It's not surprising she kicked you out . And go do something else better yourself .
KipI mean we get a very good quote from Claire in the next episode . That sums up the relationship . But , like Charlie , exactly , take a step back like simmer the F down .
TheresaYeah , cuz that's I mean . You want to talk about unsettling , like if I turned around and I saw him looking at me and John , and am I baby ? Like that , I'd be like you're literally never coming here . Yeah , look , you're not making anything better for yourself here .
AmandaSo that was very creepy . But again , like these little like off things , like I don't think Like it's funny cuz , like sometimes I'm like oh , there's not enough characters and stuff . But this is one where I'm like did we need these Hurley and Charlie scenes ? Do we need that scene of Charlie and lock and Claire at the end ?
TheresaNo , no , it didn't seem like kind of like .
KipCatchy . I think maybe the Charlie lock and Claire scene was deleted into the next episode , which is a Charlie Centric episode , but like the other stuff with Hurley and them going through music and say popping in there was , I think , a little unnecessary .
TheresaIt was , and I think that maybe if they had taken out , it's just we're almost getting like hit in the head with too much at the same time . Cuz like you needed to have the conversation with Hurley and Kate so that Sun finds out and then tells Jin and Jin needs to go but like , do we need the scene of them going through music and finding out that Hurley might like Libby and that Kate left ? Probably not ?
AmandaNo but I will say I do think the Sun and Jin stuff was really well done . I loved it .
KipYeah , they can do no wrong . That scene was so good , like the conversation , just like . I love how it just shows the growth of their characters .
TheresaYeah , and the relationship like Sun would never have said that before .
KipJin would never .
AmandaI was gonna lie in the way I don't even think Jin would have said that to her like that , like I don't think you're like honey , like sitting down calmly . I think you would have been like fuck you , I'm going . You can't tell me what to do . Woman . Yeah , yeah he's coming along to be like , and instead of just like brooding about it , he's like gonna calmly say that he doesn't like it and then yeah , her picking up herself .
KipYeah love . Understanding and it's like wow , mature , yeah , and just maturity .
TheresaYou didn't , they didn't have to talk it to death either like they didn't have to rehash Everything . They're just like . I didn't like this . You're right , I I also did not care for it either and he's like you're right .
KipThat is awful , done so good .
TheresaSo good yeah . Their relationship is honestly just beautiful .
KipLove it . Okay , so let's get to the end .
Building an Army on the Island
KipI think they're back and we see Anna Lucia playing with Vincent , and I'm sorry if this was so cringy . I'm so cringy just I roll , I couldn't roll them back . I and I , you're gonna build an army .
AmandaJack , calm down , can we start with the whole scene in general , though , cuz like it's not even just that last line which was so cringy , I just think , like everything , like the whole conversation . He's like you were caught , or like he's like you killed one of them right , like they're human . They're not like alien species .
KipOh , so you thought Charlie kill one .
AmandaYeah , it's , yeah , the whole thing was bizarre .
TheresaIs it ? I heard you caught one .
AmandaShe's not hunting , yeah exactly she killed a human that , like , was threatening her exactly and killing other people . Yeah , like so to be , like I'm gonna go to her because she killed one . Yeah and cuz she used to be a cop and be like you know how long do you think we train an army ? Well , jackie , would probably take about a year to two to train an army . Fucking Island castaways Probably longer .
KipYeah , that was so .
TheresaI want to know what the game plan you're gonna have , though . What is it ? 3840 people row up and then start working out .
KipYeah , like we're gonna have them crawling under wires like I don't understand . I'm just visioning Jack trying to like be a drill sergeant and like they have like eight guns .
AmandaWell , I have more now but , like you know , I mean they have like limited supplies . I they have a bunch of people and I'm not even like age or gender , I'm not doing , I don't care about any of that . I think everyone age , gender-wise capable . These people aren't capable , though .
KipGender are otherwise Charlie not a soldier , no no .
AmandaGay .
TheresaRose not a soldier . Rose is not a soldier . They will not do it .
AmandaYou know , like you know who's a soldier ?
KipSaid the person that you're not even talking to and you didn't even include him .
TheresaNo , how would ?
Amandayou go to Said and be , like what would it take to build an army ? No , this whole scene made no sense to me . It's like you're going to go to the unhinged person who killed one of you and be like hey , hey , Like , how do we build an army with a bunch of people who were on a flight from like Australia to the LA ?
TheresaYeah , but honestly . I think , they're just trying to like . I think the only reason that it's her is because so then there was her in there , jacks , jacks , maddoke , and now he's going to go to this other girl and be like we're going to team up and we're going to build an army and we're going to put the baby in a basket somewhere while we do this and we're going to attack the , because at the end of the day , they also have a baby .
KipYeah , oh yeah , I thought you knew something . No , no , no .
TheresaIt's just when you think about like the plan of an army it's so . It's not even half baked like it's quarter baked . Like you have someone who is like maybe four days postpartum it was just a dumb , I like .
KipI guess they were trying to get a cliffhanger out there , but it didn't work . No , it really didn't ?
TheresaYou don't know how many others there are . You know that they are a thousand times more dangerous than you are , like you feel threatened , sure .
AmandaMaybe , yeah , but what I don't understand , like what ? Why is he so like ? Yes , it's unsettling Absolutely , them being there is unsettling this , but again , like you said , there's so much unknown . You have people who are capable on that island . Obviously , I think everyone on the island is capable of something , but you have maybe Said , not maybe Said , analucia Locke , sawyer , himself Sawyer on a good day If he's not cranky and if he's not injured you lost Jin , maybe son to some degree .
KipBut she's more of a healer than a fighter . She's a medic .
AmandaRight , yeah , brother . You also honestly lost Michael too , who say what you want Was like a able body person .
KipContractor Engineer , he knew caves . He reinforced caves .
AmandaIt's just the whole thing , Michael check out the cave .
KipI'm sorry , but that's . I forgot about that . He'll just also build a shower and he built showers .
AmandaLike the whole thing is just like what are you going to do , jack ? You're going to train up , at best , 40 people to be able to storm a place .
KipYou don't know where any of these people are , and that they know , like the others know , clearly , very well , you're not going to have the element of surprise . No , no , no , it's a dumb idea , do we ?
Theresanot remember how Steve or or what's the other one , steve or Scott , one of them died on the beach and we don't know where they came from .
KipLike we think they swam up .
TheresaI mean like . I just feel like if you hear someone say , don't cross this line , Michael is clearly lost to the wind . Who knows where the hell he is , I would be like , OK guys , here's the deal . There are people out there . We know that . That is not a surprise . We should just stay on this side . Let's just stay where we are .
AmandaI mean , there's a part of me that's like he's . It's more like maybe defensive .
AmandaI think he's or maybe it's like because they don't know , like just because he said that they stay there , they're fine . He doesn't want to like be sleeping with one I open for the rest of his time . I understand all that , but the problem with Jack is he's so freaking hotheaded that you know that it's not that you know that he wants to go on the offensive and it's like to what end ? Like you , don't you ? How is it that nothing teaches him Right , and that's what I think . That's honestly like tying it back to the flashbacks . I think that's another thing we're supposed to kind of learn is like he got emotionally invested with Sarah . They got married . Their marriage is falling apart . Does that stop him from getting emotionally invested with this new patient and his family ? No , it doesn't , because nothing does , because Jack is just reactive . He's very reactive .
KipBut yeah , that's his MO .
TheresaYeah , I just think that he could have just gone like a different way . He could have been like . We need to find a way to like increase our defenses here so that we don't feel so . We feel a little bit better , Right Like yeah , more secure .
TheresaLike , do something other than we're going to attack headfirst , because when you think army , you think that's what's going to happen . Yeah , is you're going to go in guns blazing and you're going to fight for this island that you now have to live on . Why don't you just like , when we think about it and we think about the others , how much interaction have they had in the last few episodes where they were threatened by the others ? Not that much . So clearly he's not lying Like yeah , there was some like sketchy stuff in the beginning .
KipYeah , but I mean I mean given yeah , the sketchy stuff in the beginning is pretty traumatizing Totally .
TheresaBut I don't know that my reaction would be I'm going to build an army with all these people that we have left , and then we're going to do it . I think , yeah , he needs to be smarter about it .
AmandaLike he needs to be a little bit more , like they need to be , yeah . And it just bothers me , I think , because he's so up and down with it and inconsistent , like Locke wants to like be in the hatch and do the hatch and it's like no , we have to stop , we need to be doing this and we need to be doing that and we can't be bothered with this . And then he's like all on board with the hatch stuff and it's , you know , like yeah .
KipAnd I think that's just sort of like what we come to learn is he is reactionary and then he kind of gets pulled what for from those around him and he has to deal with those consequences .
AmandaYeah , so we'll see what happens with this army thing , jack's army Just one last little quick thing , before we move on , I do think we have to talk about how charming Sawyer is in this episode , how I find him to be so funny and adorable in it . Is it because of the favorite leaf there's that .
TheresaI love that . There's the calm when he's like wants to go with them and he's like you're still an antibiotic .
AmandaHe's a good thing I'm traveling with my doctor . Then Like I don't know , he's just . I like him in this house a lot . He's so cute Like the leaf line .
KipI didn't think he was like overall overly . Oh , I thought he was other than that . You know , that was just kind of the shot and defending .
AmandaI don't know . I just and the combo with a lot , I don't know . I thought this was a sweet little Sawyer episode .
TheresaI think it was fine for Sawyer , I think I think it was fine for most of them , honestly , other than Jack , like I think that's and Charlie , other than that , like I think everybody had like a pretty like either good or neutral moment where you're like OK , like kind of it's kind of funny .
KipWe've said before , like Jack's , worst episodes are his episodes , and like he's always better in a non Jack centric episode . He's maybe another one .
AmandaAnother reason why Theresa thinks that character epic episodes always cause people to go down . Oh yeah , probably .
KipSo yeah , I mean actually you know what .
AmandaI think she might be right , because Kate's episodes make her go down and the sea has made an illicit go down in . In Teresa's opinion I don't always agree , yeah we do often get these like worse versions of them , yeah that's true .
KipThey're working through stuff . That's true , actually . Yeah , there's a reason for that , can't ? I'll be sunshine and rainbows .
TheresaCan't , I'll be sun . Well it is .
KipThey can't
Character Ranking and Episode Review
Kipall be sun . All right , should we go into the ?
Amandacharacter ranking .
TheresaSpeaking of yeah , great segue .
AmandaGood segue .
TheresaAll right , so our rankings Mike wasn't in this one , so he's going to stay at number 16 . Shocker no one with negative 830 . Then we have Anna Lucia with negative 255 . We have Kate with negative 250 . We have Desmond with 60 . Walt with 240 . And we have Charlie with 270 . Then our top 10 , we have Libby 330 . Jack 585 . Claire 780 . Sawyer 905 . Echo 1145 . Locke 1245 . Said 1265 . Jin 1310 . Hurley 1480 . And Sun 1570 . So , just to put it into perspective , our friend Jack Aroni went . I mean , the problem is he's in the same position just 200 points less .
KipStay down , Anna .
TheresaLucia .
KipGo down Kate went up . I find it interesting your top two , Hurley and Sun . Who's the third ? The top three are possibly the ones we have the least amount of episodes for , so that leads me to believe in your theory .
TheresaYeah , I didn't realize that actually .
KipWhich you tried to blame as Amanda's theory .
AmandaI thought it was Amanda's theory . I'm also getting back on board with it .
KipThat's pretty funny .
TheresaI feel like she mentioned it in like an episode .
KipI think so too . I think we've all been there .
TheresaYeah , but I mean that does make sense , except Echo is like he's just motoring . Yeah , non of Echo .
KipWellie , Wellie , Wellie .
AmandaMm-hmm .
KipWellie , wellie . Here we are . End of the app . Let's get into our ratings . What did we think of episode 11 in season 2 , the Hunting Party , teresa ? Let's start with you .
TheresaOh my god , it's never me first , because I have to formulate my thoughts . I didn't love it . I'm not gonna lie . Why would I give it Probably like an eight . It's like not my favorite episode . It's not the worst episode . It does a good job with the others Like . I think the other's whole situation was handled really well . The flashback , I think , was pretty useful . But like also is just telling us the same thing that we already knew about Jack , which is he does not like go . He always has to fix something . But it's nice to , as terrible as it sounds . It's nice to see that like in his personal relationships too , not just with his dad , but in his marriage . So yeah , I think I'm just gonna give an eight Like it's okay .
KipOkay , thanks , teresa Amanda . How about you ?
AmandaUm , it's always hard to top Teresa's ratings .
TheresaI didn't say it wasn't like a , like a , and then last time I was like it wasn't just like a , and then I um no , I think this is like an eight point five .
AmandaI don't like Jack in this episode , because I just really like Jack . Sometimes the way he talks to people literally makes my stomach turn like I'm on a roller coaster . I just find it so aggressive , but and it makes me uncomfortable but I do understand a little bit where he's coming from . Um , I think , though , so like that would knock the episode down a lot for me in terms of rating , and then I also just don't like a lot of the little side things .
AmandaBut that scene with Zeke for lack of a better name right now is so good that that like just almost like like I was it was really I was fade and fast by like that point I'm like , okay , yeah , they're in the woods and then Jack is angry and great , but then that moment was so good and , quite honestly , I do kind of wish we didn't know that Kate had followed them at all , because I do think it'd be a little bit more impactful to just be like there she is . But that scene is so good that and I love those moments with the others Like I love just getting like this , little tidbits of like getting fed that info about the others , like I just love , like I think that's where loss is at its best . So I think that's what puts it back to an eight point five for me , itperoni okay .
TheresaJack Lover 99 , 92 .
KipJack is my favorite character . I'll reiterate that . But what you just said , amanda , I have to agree . And sometimes he just pisses me off , like I hate the way he says things , like you want to tell me like when he , when he wants something out of it , like you want to tell me why . And then it's like don't say it like that , jack , come on . So like he , he angers me sometimes , but he's still my favorite character . I would give this episode a seven point eight .
AmandaIt's really yeah .
KipI don't know Like the others scene , I remember thinking it was like just this hot shit and just like so crazy . But as we were kind of dissecting it it just felt like the impact wasn't as strong as it was . When I first saw it and , yeah , it just kind of maybe I was maybe I'm picking it apart a little too much like with that line and why now and all these things . But it almost didn't . It didn't make a lot of sense to me why this was in this moment in the series . So I loved it Like I love the whole light , light them up scene and everything but it wasn't enough to kind of like be kind of just a mediocre episode for me .
TheresaSo seven point eight yeah , I think that's fair . I think this is going to be anybody's favorite episode . It's kind of all over the place in terms of the other characters that we have . Like we kind of talked about Said kind of popping in for like five seconds , like what .
KipCan I wonder if this is just kind of the beginning of I mean , it is middle of the season , so they're trying to really draw it out to 23 episodes or whatever it is . So I wonder if we're just kind of feeling that a little bit .
TheresaI mean , it's possible .
KipSo yeah , there we go , the hunting party over and out .
TheresaYeah .
KipJoin us next week for fire , plus water . A Charlie episode .
TheresaOh , I gotta hate those .
KipCharlie episodes .
TheresaI mean the last year .
KipWe're just like surprise , surprising , It'll be much different . Oh , I don't remember , I don't remember I don't remember .
AmandaI'm still a dick .
TheresaLike I will say , rewatching this , like it's very clear that , like I , there's so much that happens that like I don't remember because like well , tune in next week and we'll see how much trees actually remembered or didn't remember .
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