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Let's Get Lost 36 - Season 2: The Long Con
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Prepare to unravel the deeply entwined threads of lies and loyalty as we dissect "The Long Con," the thirteenth high-stakes episode of Lost's second season. From Sawyer's latest nickname creations that had us in stitches ("El Jacko" and "Anna Lulu" anyone?) to the dramatic abduction that shakes the island's fragile peace, we promise an expedition into the heart of Lost's complex character dynamics.
Hold on to your Dharma beers as we scrutinize Charlie's descent into his darker self and Sawyer's own conniving maneuvers, questioning the integrity of everyone's favourite con man. With Roxann Dawson's nuanced direction under our microscope, we contrast the portrayal of this suspense-riddled episode, unpacking every detail. Plus, don't miss the debut of our new segment, where we bare our souls, offering personal takeaways that add an intimate layer to the analysis—because when it comes to Lost, it's more than just a show; it's a reflection of our own moral compasses.
As we dissect the aftermath of scheming and the ripple effects on the island's community, we'll weigh in on the balance—or lack thereof—between humour and gravity, including Hurley's efforts to keep spirits high with his radio antics. How do these complex individuals shape our perceptions, and how do their actions alter their standings among the survivors? We leave no stone unturned, from the choices of music that set the mood to the potential consequences of naming your kids after flawed characters. Sit back and join us for an exploration as multifaceted as the series itself, where every laugh comes with a side of critical reflection.
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TheresaWe're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking , but even more so we love talking about lost . So join us for some laughs , good conversation and let's get lost together . Hey , welcome back to let's get lost your favorite oceanic trio . We have Kipper , amanda and me , and today we'll be talking about the long con .
AmandaThe long con . Well , I guess we're getting right into it .
TheresaYeah , getting right into it .
KipGetting right into it .
AmandaYeah , that's just I like to get right into it . Getting right into it , Just snippety snap .
TheresaHey Amanda , why don't you tell us what it's all about ?
AmandaWell , the long con is episode 13 . If you aren't paying attention of season two , it is written by Leonard Dick and Stephen Mada and directed by Rachel Dawson , so we have a female director . That's amazing . I don't know that we've had too many female directors so far .
Kipon law , so that's love to see it .
AmandaThis episode . Locke and Jack agree to secure the weapons and medications in the armory . Jack and Sawyer face off over ownership of the meds . Hurley tries to cheer up Said with the radio from the Taley's . Sun is grabbed and dragged into the jungle where she is found by Sawyer and Kate . Jack and Locke discover the weapons missing from the armory and that the entire group has been betrayed from within . Okay , and just because whenever I'm in charge of the summary , I like to also give the Disney Plus one , because I think it's hilarious the difference between how much info they the box that gives , versus what Disney Plus does . The Disney Plus synopsis Survivors fear that the others may have returned when Sun is injured .
KipOkay , that's a good one , that's a good one .
AmandaThat's a good one .
KipThat's a good one . The DVD one is very in depth .
AmandaYeah , and I know we've talked about it before and you know I actually had a few comments from people saying that it makes sense if you're buying like an entire series box .
Kipthat you've probably watched it they're going to be more . More when you're putting on a streaming service , they're going to be a bit lighter . Yeah , because they know people are just like they're not going right into the other .
AmandaBut it's just kind of interesting to see the difference . I actually really liked that one . Yeah , I think it makes a lot of sense .
KipI like it too . Okay , so the long con . Any guesses on IMDB rating ?
AmandaOh , it's high , I would think .
KipWhat do you think ?
AmandaI think probably 8.7 .
KipTeresa 8.2 . 8.6 out of 10 . Pretty , pretty good 18.7 for million viewers .
TheresaSo we lost a million .
KipWe lost over a million viewers because of that terrible episode .
AmandaI'm not going to lie , I almost quit the podcast . I get it .
KipShe did not almost quit , she would never quit .
AmandaI would never quit , but , charlie , you are making it difficult and you are not helping your case this week .
KipNo , oh , okay , so because it's a so higher episode , we are having many nicknames .
AmandaAbout 900 .
KipThere are a total of nicknames that I counted Eight .
TheresaOh , my God Jesus .
KipSo we have dimples , dimples .
AmandaSheena .
KipSheena Hoss , yep Hoss .
AmandaTokyo Rose Awful .
TheresaI didn't care for that .
KipReckles , doc , and my two favorite ones , el Jaco and Anna Lulu .
AmandaAnna Lulu , I love them .
KipI guess you're not joining El Jaco and Anna Lulu's whatever Rambo team .
TheresaOh man , oh , so funny , that's so funny Okay .
KipAnd it's day 57 on the island Amazing , so we'll get up there .
AmandaYeah , they've been there a long time .
KipAlmost 60 days . That's a lot . That's almost two months , all right .
AmandaIt somehow feels longer .
KipIt's been long . It's been a long journey so far . All right , trivia . Who's got their sound effects ready ?
AmandaAlways at the ready .
KipAlways at the ready . Okay , which character wrote the manuscript ? Bad twin that Hurley reads on the beach .
AmandaSo it's already someone we've seen .
KipYeah , but I don't think you know their name . In fact , I can almost guarantee we do not know their name yet , unless you read it on the cover of the manuscript .
TheresaNo , oh , okay .
KipSo just now , the name is Gary Troop and he is the man who was sucked into the airplane turbine engine shortly after the crash in the pilot episode .
AmandaOh , my God Jesus . How do we find out ?
Kipit was him then I don't know , it's just in the lost lore , I guess .
AmandaOkay , I actually , loki , thought it was a script that a character may have brought with them , which ?
Kipcharacter .
AmandaOh no , it's not I thought that was like some good foreshadowing .
Kipbut Okay , which nickname refers to a jungle dwelling comic book character , able to communicate with wild animals , who was fiercely proficient in fighting with knives , spears , bows and improvised makeshift weapons .
AmandaThen then , then , then , then yes .
KipSheena , sheena , and what's the full name of Sheena ?
AmandaI don't remember , but wasn't she played by like Tia Carrera or something at some point ?
KipMaybe I don't actually remember , I just I thought it was a cartoon .
TheresaIs it not a cartoon ?
KipI thought so .
TheresaI don't know .
KipBut it's Sheena , queen of the Jungle , and of course he calls Kate that Referencing the mud hot oil deathmatch .
TheresaOh , he's so gross , that's disgusting . That's disgusting Hot oil deathmatch , ew .
KipOkay , I have two more questions . This one what year did Josh Holloway make TV guides ? Top 10 sexiest stars .
AmandaI have to think every year .
KipIncorrect Only one year 2005 . Incorrect 2008 .
AmandaHe does get sexier as the show goes on .
KipWhen did Lost Finish what year 2010 . Okay , so it was in his run .
AmandaYeah , 2004 to 2010 .
KipOkay , so it was very interesting because of what you said during the synopsis . This is the only episode of Lost that director Roxanne Dawson directed . However , she has directed episodes for more than 50 different television shows , including Charmed , the OC , heroes of Good Wife , blah blah blah , many , many more . She's also an accomplished actor , having appeared in many TV shows , movies and video games . Which television show is she best known for appearing in as an actor ?
AmandaDun dun , dun dun dun . But I'm confused because I know exactly if you're talking about Roxanne Dawson . I can answer that question . Yes , but I thought it said Rachel Dawson . No , rachel Dawson is the director , according to this .
KipWeird online . It said Roxanne Dawson .
AmandaWell , I hope that's an error , because Roxanne Dawson makes sense . Anyway , roxanne Dawson is Belana on Sergered .
TheresaVoyager .
AmandaAnd I love her and I followed her career very much . Belana was my favorite Voyager character .
KipI'm double checking this right now , but it makes more sense .
AmandaShe does do a lot of TV direction .
KipYeah , so I think they got it wrong in the TV .
AmandaWell then , I want to write them a letter , because Roxanne Dawson deserves the credit for this .
KipYeah , no kidding .
AmandaAnd that also explains why I love this episode so much . I love her .
TheresaWhat if this episode was the Charlie episode with the same director ? Well , she didn't write it .
KipYeah , and she only directed one episode , the whole series of Lost See . On Wikipedia it says Roxanne .
AmandaOkay , that makes sense . She is a director . That makes more sense . I've never heard of Rachel Dawson On IMDb . It says Roxanne . Yeah , oh wow , roxanne Dawson you are not getting the credit you deserve in the box set .
KipYeah , Roxanne , listen to us . Okay , you call your agent and tell them to give ABC hell .
AmandaBecause you deserve credit for this . Yeah , that's pretty shitty of ABC .
KipYeah , we love Belana , we love Star .
AmandaTrek Voyager . There wasn't already a podcast about that ? We might be coming for it .
KipWe do love the Star Trek Voyager . We do . Oh , you do Great .
TheresaI only have to appoint , just like seven of nine .
KipOh really .
AmandaYou're the opposite of every human being on the planet .
TheresaI don't get it . I don't see the appeal .
KipOkay , that's okay . We'll say that for the Voyager podcast Voyager , not Voyager . There isn't Voyager , voyager .
TheresaVoyager , I don't even know Zetalu .
KipZetalu Zeldeme .
TheresaZeldeme Bravo .
AmandaAnyway , this episode .
KipOkay , the long con .
AmandaWe outta here Teresa's stream of consciousness .
TheresaAlso the long con , all right . Well , now at least we know why John kept the statues . I thought there was no trust here . I mean , I thought there was trust here , but I guess not . Or , I guess we'll see . You're like John's kind of plan of having them both agree to open it .
TheresaOkay , wet Sawyer , yum . But also , are you putting dry pants on what ? Sorry , also , why are we always friends acting people's things ? Why can't these two ever just get along ? Ew , why are these people kissing so loud ? Oh , that's awkward . Oh , wow , it's even more awkward because she's like yeah , no , that's weird . So good for her for figuring that out . Oh , it looks like she wants to be a con artist now .
TheresaOkay , um , okay , get his clothes . Get off his clothes . You rude dude . Kate , I don't get why you're still standing on them . Okay , so , maybe not too rude because she brought him something to read . Yeah , but why are they so cute , though I do wonder how long , how long , everybody's gonna go before they start humping like rabbits . Oh , my God , I forgot about the stupid army . Aw , hurley , and Said , aw , said , I get you're upset . Don't take it out on sweet Hurley . You can't take it out on sweet Hurley .
TheresaI'm confused about why Emily C wants the code to . I don't understand this situation . Also , I hate the stick that she has carrying around . Imagine whipping it out of the sling in a rush . It's so clunky . Kate , how is Sun wearing such white , clean clothes ? No one's gonna hurt Sun , right , it's Sun , okay . No , it's just Vincent , okay , okay , wait , no , sun , sun , someone get help , anyone help , okay .
TheresaBut seriously , why are Sawyer and Kate so cute ? You know , this is why we can never assume we're safe on this goddamn island . Man , I don't trust Analysea . Okay , john , with the insight I mean , I don't really get why they would be back either . I think we need to stop with this army ship , for God's sake . I'm kind of a Sawyer on this .
TheresaHow did she get away ? Does one bandaid on your nose make it look like you look ? Make it look like you've been in a bar fight ? Does Cassidy have dimples ? I never noticed . Two people just buy jewelry off strangers and we're not at all like , okay , well , this is weird . It must be so hard for Jen not to know what's up with his wife . Oh dear , now it sounds like Kate is just jealous . Oh my God . Also , girl who plucked your eyebrows . One's looking a little sparse . Are we really still confused about this whole Scott and Steve thing , for God's sake ? Oh , and now some confrontation . Why are we letting the lady with the baby run to get jack instead of literally anyone else ? My God , the lump on her head is huge .
TheresaOkay , this is why we don't all just have access to guns . Why is this our go to ? Someone gets hurt Gun , someone , we're not sure of something . Guns , and is this episode even just called guns ? Oh my God , is this lady addicted to conning ? I mean , sorry , just hop in . I don't want to go to jail , I'm going to be in handcuffs . It's going to be in his bed , not in the jail cell . Um , maybe we should do anything else but con with him Like I don't want to risk my freedom . Y'all just got clean and now y'all gonna get dirty .
Lost Characters and Episode Takeaways
TheresaI love the first name bases that John and James are on . Look , cuties . Whatever happened to two people per shift , though ? Who's on John's shift with him ? Man , I feel so sketched out by this John , by his plan John . Oh , hey , look , it's Kate's mom . Oh my god , are we long conning the along con ? Wait , this is due inception for me . I kinda want a chicken salad sandwich . Now See , this is why I don't want to get into this biz .
TheresaIt's too scary . Why don't we put the numbers in so slowly ? You can do it a little faster , can you ? Also , jack , you just went back on your word . There's something weird about Anna-Lucy is sitting in the middle of the sand , whittling in the dark . Everyone is mad and screaming at each other . What the fuck is going on .
TheresaKate , I knew there was something sus about this whole time . Oh , I see , he long conned the island . This whole thing feels kind of out of left field , to be honest . He was all happy and whatnot , and now he's like on the sheriff . Now bitches , like for what ? How do you believe this is real ? Now , ma'am , I can't remember this lady's name . If it's real , now you know what . This is why we don't do these things , friends . I can't trust anyone . Now , is he long conning ? The long con's long con ? Did that even make sense ? I'm lost . I'm sad that this is how things are going on with them .
TheresaI was actually shipping Kate and Sawyer for a hot minute . Oh what you're reading Hurley . Oh , my God , what is this music and why is it so off-putting ? For God's sake , I should have known that Sawyer was part of it or Charlie was part of it . I hate Charlie in this evil face . He's so annoying and brooding . Also , why would you ask him this now , like , who cares ? You had your own agenda . You don't care . Sawyer , why are you counting ? Whose house is this ? Oh , that's sad . The end , yay , yeah , I mean , there's lots to that there's some good stuff .
KipYeah okay , I have some questions for you . Okay , dry pants , so are you putting on dry ?
Theresapants In the beginning . When he comes out of the water he's wet in his boxers .
KipYeah .
TheresaAnd he puts his pants on .
AmandaSo my question to your question is are you upset that he didn't wait till he dried more , or did you also want his pants to be wet ?
KipYeah .
TheresaThat's what I'm confused about . Would you , if you had wet bottoms on , put on dry pants , or would you wait to dry off a little ?
Kipand then put your pants on .
TheresaYeah , Like what is the thought process ? Because it's just in the sand .
KipWhat I'm concerned about when your pants wet and in the sand , getting sand in there .
TheresaBut that's what I mean .
KipWith your wet bottoms . It's so sticky yeah .
TheresaMany issues like there's some logistical issues .
AmandaI don't think they're overly hygienic or dry . Most of the time no .
KipCan you ? Oh yeah , I don't want to think about that anymore because it goes down to dark , dirty way . Okay , I agree about the ransacking , like that's all , like they ever do .
AmandaYeah , they never . I can't handle Jack anymore Ransack .
TheresaHe just always wears whatever he's wearing . Ransack and Jack .
KipI mean okay , however , the pills yeah .
TheresaLike not great .
KipNot great Like that's on Sawyer .
TheresaYeah , oh , absolutely .
KipHowever , jack don't just ransack .
TheresaBut hostility , but also the same time , but also the same time .
KipSawyer wouldn't have given them to him , as we just saw .
TheresaNo , I don't think . But like would he have if he had been like , hey , the pills are missing , Did you ? Or like if they had gotten Kate to do it , or anyone else Like ?
AmandaI think there was probably a better way to do it .
TheresaI just do it . Yeah , like I just don't think that it was the best idea to go in there and just like guns blazing and ripping through some shit . Let's go to you .
KipBut at the same time , I think like everyone's also just kind of sick of Sawyer hoarding shit .
TheresaYeah .
KipLike enough already with now we got to play games to get fucking pills back .
TheresaYeah , it's annoying and I don't really get why he stole the pills , like the whole thing just was kind of weird , so weird about stuff .
KipLike you know , it's very weird . It's like a pack rat Okay , the first name basis . So cute See . I don't think it's cute .
AmandaI don't think it was cute either . I also didn't know that . No , I think it's like weird kind of intimidation thing . Lock does it to piss him off . I know it's cute . And then Sawyer does it back because he's mocking him .
TheresaI know it's cute , but they're not friends . I didn't say they were friends , I said it was cute . Okay , different interpretations .
KipThat's cool . That's what lost is all about . The other ones I'll get to later .
TheresaYeah , we talked through the episode .
KipBut good , good , uh . Stream of consciousness , teresa . Very good points I'll let's talk about today .
AmandaUm , okay , so you know how Teresa always does the stream of consciousness . You probably are familiar with it because she just did it . Um , I've decided I'm going to have my own thing .
KipOkay , oh my God , it's going to be this every day , every day , every day , I mean every episode .
AmandaI'm going to tell you my overarching takeaway from the episode is that are you drunk ?
TheresaNo , that was a drooling noise .
AmandaOh my God , no , you got to do like the Simpsons , like , yeah , it's not that , no , these are going to be okay , you guys are sick . But no , it's going to be more like high brow , like high level thinking for the episode , you think you're so high brow , Hi brow , I'm thinking no . I'm not high brow , that's the wrong word . I mean like it's going to be more , like it's not going to be like .
KipHigh level . Yeah , I get it .
AmandaAn overview of like my thoughts as a whole and how this episode affected it .
KipOkay , so this is day one . All right , let's hear it .
AmandaThis is my overall thought for this episode . If you are a lost fan , I implore you to rewatch this series at various points in your life , because I love lock so much more . I like lock so much more this watch than I ever did before and I have to think it's like just like maturity and being like understanding more different places in life , cause when I was 22 , I hated lock , but at 35 , I love lock .
TheresaBitch , you're not 35 .
AmandaAnd that's Theresa's figure out takeaway . But you know what I mean ? Okay , because like what ? So that's my whole thing . This episode showed me the whole time I was like man locks actually fucking smart and wise and cool . I would never have thought that 10 years ago .
KipOkay , how old are you ?
Amanda36 , I guess I guess I literally just turned 36 straight . What is this ? Why is this one no ?
Kipno , no , okay , Are you talking about John Locke ?
AmandaThe character of John Locke , the character played by Terry O'Quinn .
KipSo you're talking about John Locke , so you're saying you , because of this episode , you love him even more .
AmandaIt showed me how much I like . I like , appreciate and respect , and like John .
KipWow .
AmandaWay more than I like before . Like when I watched it , like in the original time frame or whatever , I thought lock was obnoxious , I thought he was heavy handed , I thought whatever . And now I like , really like him .
KipOkay .
AmandaLike he's wise .
KipI have an announcement too . I was going to save it , but I have to say it . So I've started doing my own character rank .
TheresaOh , my God , I love this .
KipAnd I'm not . I don't know what I . What I need to say right now is I watched this episode like four times in the past two weeks , just because I've been watching it all over the place . I watched it two days ago and then I watched it again today . I like lock less . Oh my goodness .
AmandaOh , that's surprising . Then , the first time you like , the last time you watched it , yes , this episode I was like oh , he's driving me bananas so .
Kipand he ranked second last on my character rankings today .
AmandaReally yeah .
KipBut I didn't want to . He's so wise . He's so dumb .
AmandaOh my goodness , this is controversial . You just get so wolf Like the fleece .
KipOh yes , they all do , but him especially .
TheresaIt seems unlikely that that would happen to him , though .
AmandaI meant more of the stuff leading up to the . The like well , just like his philosophy on it , like we're going to go through the whole thing , but like his philosophy on everything , like even the conversation starting like let's just start at the beginning when they're at we'll talk about the episode , with this overarching theme in the back of our minds , of how Kip thinks less of lock and I think more of lock , wow .
KipI think we can all agree .
AmandaStory is a dick in this episode though . Lock has some more nuances to him . Even the beginning the lock jack combination thing . Right , that makes sense to me where lock is coming from on that and like his wanting them to like both have it and like his conversation with him and like how he has all the heroin and he thinks he might have therapeutic value and the only thing I didn't buy is like the whole . I'm superstitious , I don't want to break them open thing . That was weird .
KipYeah , I didn't buy that either , see , but I see , like that , that safe scene , combination scene , like I agree they both should have the combo , but I just felt like lock was just so weird in it Like I'm going to assume you're doing this because you think something bad might happen to me , and it's , he just had this . He also had like this very almost I know more than you , I know better than you attitude this in a different way than jack did . Like lock was like I really should be the only one trusted with this , but because I need , I need you , so I'm going to go along with this , but you could see how hard it was for him to give up that code or the , the combination , like it , just like he didn't want to give it up .
AmandaSo I don't think he trusts him .
KipSo I don't think so either . But like none , nobody trusts anybody .
AmandaI know that's my point , but I think it makes sense not to like he really was right . Trusting people screwed everyone over .
KipYeah , but jack also shouldn't trust lock , because look what lock did .
AmandaCorrect .
KipSo , like they , you're right in that nobody trusts anybody , and they shouldn't , For a very valid reason 57 days in it , we're at fucking square one on the trust scale . It's just fucking everyone over . That's funny .
AmandaBut I liked it . I like that he does come . He does do it as well . Right , like he doesn't actually , but like that makes sense to me . Um , so it is interesting because there's so much about jack and lock in this episode that's important to their character development as well . It is a Sawyer episode . Um , I don't know if we want to talk about the flashbacks or we want to just talk about flashbacks first .
KipLet's I mean first we've already talked about a bunch of stuff but let's , let's go into the flashbacks and kind of get them over with , because like the not over with I shouldn't say but they I don't really know . I guess they show us that Sawyer , while a con man and that's what he does and that's what he knows best still can fall for someone and can still , although he still cons her , so fucks her over . So yeah , I don't know .
AmandaNo , what does it tell us ? It tells us exactly what . So let's talk about the flashbacks . It tells us , I think , the exact two things that Kate and Sawyer say at the end . It tells us that Sawyer is a bad person who has not done a good thing in his life and that he wants everyone to hate him . His kid is 100% accurate about that Like she . Clearly that's accurate .
KipShe gets it .
AmandaRight , and I think that's what it's supposed to show us , cause I think I think what the flashbacks are maybe supposed to do is a little bit of a misdirect on his own . I think we're supposed to think that Sawyer was affected by this woman and that he is capable of a change , and maybe , you know , we're going to see some more of that on the island as well , because as the flashbacks are happening , we kind of see him like what it looks like to be kind of helping Kate and like whatever , right . So I mean , what I thought when I saw these flashbacks is we're going to show , it's going to show us how he got . He got kind of fucked over and that maybe helped explain why he's so angry . But that's not really what happens , right , like he still ends up like fucking over that , like Cassidy person .
KipYeah , yeah , like it kind of makes it seem like he's going to , like , do the right thing . Cause he says tells Gordy he loves her and or that he's fallen for her . Gordy reads between the lines .
Character Dynamics and Plot Developments
KipAlso a little shout out to Kate's mom Different diner . So she must do like a diner to her Couple diners . What's it ? Do we know what city they were in ?
AmandaI don't think so .
KipI'll be curious . Put some clues together , but yeah , no different diner . Small world Kate's mom .
AmandaWell , I mean , there is some like room for interpretation on it too , because when he like so , we see him kind of you know , obviously she was the con from the beginning , and like when he's like explaining how cons worked her , he's like , oh , you have to like make it seem like it's their idea , and that's kind of what ends up happening . And then we see him talk to Gordy at the diner and like she's not there , and so the only thing would be is if , like , if that wasn't somewhat genuine , it's only to also fuck over Gordy .
KipRight .
AmandaRight cause , like why would he tell Gordy about that ?
Kipor like let Gordy make those assumptions , I do think that he maybe did start to feel something for Cassidy .
AmandaWell , I wonder if we are supposed to kind of believe it , cause , like at the end there , he like looks at the picture of the two of them .
KipYeah , that was a nice picture For like a bit of time and then like flips it over .
AmandaSo I think for sure at the worst he has like mixed feelings about what happened , and I think at the best he does care about her a lot . It's just a matter of .
KipSo do you think I guess so he was supposed to accidentally break open the oh right cause that's part of the con ? Yeah , but do you think the fake , like the newspaper money , was part of the con too ?
Amandathat she would like realize it's all fake and yeah , yeah , I think that was the whole idea , because what I'm thinking is like when they came across her and realized she had a lot of money , they realized she was also quite smart . Yeah , she's very bright and that that regular kind of thing wasn't going to work on her . So what would work on her ?
KipThey came up with this one thing .
AmandaAnd if she is recently divorced , she'd probably you know , sensitive and vulnerable to that , so stuff like that .
KipI would like to know what their situation was , where , in a divorce , she even gets $600,000 .
TheresaYeah , no kidding .
KipI liked Sawyer's comment like well , let's just go on a beach and drink my ties , or whatever .
AmandaTill we go toes up , yeah , I was like that's cute , Just do that . I would love to .
KipAlthough I guess he did end up on an island .
AmandaYeah , he might go toes up . Who knows what's gonna happen . No , no , no he toes , though .
TheresaNo , he toes .
AmandaAnd they took his beer .
KipThey did take his beer . He was so pissed off about that . So the flashbacks were were interesting . Yeah , you kind of see a little bit of depth into Sawyer and to like , we kind of saw that in his other flashbacks too , like with the kid , and he saw the kid and refused to go through with the , the con and the last or the deal and the last flashback . Really , is this the first Sawyer flashback since that one ? I think so . Wow , it's been a long time , a long con .
AmandaLook , I think the reality is that we all know that Sawyer has summer demon qualities . He has some soft spots or things he's just exceptionally damaged , and anytime he feels wronged he lashes out .
KipYeah , so I just it's so crazy to me that because he is so mad that they took stuff from his stash , that he would come up with this insane con .
AmandaSo what I ? What I ? Now we are just jumping over the place for who cares . But I kind of gleaned from that speech he does at the end yeah .
AmandaHis . Yes , he does not like that Jack Rans act , his , his stuff and whatever . But I think what it is and I like maybe I'm going to in depth and giving him too much , but I think what you can kind of hear from him is when he talks about how it's not just the pills , it was everything after he left and this idea . I think what bothers him is that he actually did try to genuinely do something good and he got fucked over anyway . And I think that's like a Sawyer soft spot , Like he really doesn't like this idea that when he tries to do something good or be helpful , it like he gets fucked over for it , right Cause he does say to them like I'm out there trying to help you and you guys are taking my shit .
KipYeah , but I think , like it's you gotta , I don't think that he went on the raft to try to save everybody because , like when he got on the raft , it was more like an impulse because he was frustrated with Kate .
AmandaBut he still like . He thinks they should see it as him doing something good , that's true .
AmandaAnd then how could they treat him badly if he's doing this thing ? Cause how many tell like he does gross stuff like that all the time , like he'll give them something if Kate kisses him and like all this stuff , right , because he does like this idea of kind of hoarding over people , like it's just like another control mechanism for him , right , and he doesn't , like I really don't think he likes that Jack like is so like publicly like awful to him , like he clearly cares a lot like about , yeah , this image probably cause he does want people to hate him , like Kate said , like it's just , he's very , I don't know . I kind of feel like they kind of did his character dirty this episode by making it a little bit more one note than I think that maybe Swearer needs to be at this point .
KipYeah , because he says at the end , when he says to Charlie , I've never done anything good in my life , it's like well , no , we saw you on the raft like trying to help Michael and Walt . Like we know you've done good things . So like maybe this episode was a little bit too like you say . One note on Swearer , when it could have been probably a bit more nuanced and I think they could have wove a little bit more depth into his on island actions , like they were trying to do with the flashback actions , even though we saw kind of like it was all for naught in the flashback , but a few things , Okay . So , trisha , you were pretty annoyed with Anna Lucia in your stream of consciousness .
TheresaNot super annoyed , I just like . She was just like kind of sketchy Like in what way ? Like when Locke is kind of sitting at that fire right before Swearer , like shoots off the gun . She's just kind of like in the middle of everyone , just kind of like whittling away at like her stick or a piece of wood , I don't know . It just seemed like . She just seems like very out of place but like deliberately there so that we think something different .
KipYeah , I think they obviously structured it to make us think that it's funny , because I didn't really notice that . But I noticed John sitting there just like straight face looking out into the ocean , oh yeah .
KipAnd I was like what the hell , john , like you just sit there . How often does he just stare longingly into the ocean Quite ? A few times , many times . And like when she was talking to Jack about the combination , I didn't find that sketchy . It was almost to me like she was sort of like testing Jack , like just sort of like being almost like still she's still trying to figure him out a little bit , like can she trust him ? And let's not forget , she's on this army thing because of Jack .
KipYeah , that's , true , and kind of like what we know , what they have gone through in terms of dealing with the others . So she's all still pretty amped up about their dangerous and their real threat and Jack came to her wanting to start this army and she's like taking it seriously , understandably . So I don't think it's necessarily fair to like kind of be on her case about the army thing when she's doing it because Jack asked her to .
TheresaI think I just find her sketchy like overall . I think that's just like the vibe that I get from her .
AmandaSo anytime she's like on screen , I'm always like I think they're trying I think that was a little bit to like make Sawyer's like position more believable yeah .
KipYeah , I agree , it was almost like , especially with the Kate versus Anna Lucia stuff , I was like give me a break .
AmandaBut like that was annoying . It is funny to me how easily manipulated Kate is by Sawyer when it comes to Jack Like . And it's funny because , like I actually was thinking another weird thought overall thought I had is actually like Kate in this episode for like 80% of it , like I think she looks cute , I think she acts cute , I think she's sweet in it , I think she's fun , I like that she's like brings Sawyer the magazine and they're like hanging out . I like that she like listens to what he has to say , but it's just as soon as like this like issue of Jack and Anna Lucia comes up , she like of course Sawyer was able to like con her .
AmandaYeah , exactly , because like she's so like that's a big part of conning people right , or like manipulating them or whatever you want to call . It is like knowing kind of where their vulnerabilities are . And she has such a blind spot when it comes to anything to do with Jack and that she of course immediately believed that , like Anna Lucia was like doing doing something bad .
Analysis of Sawyer's Character and Relationships
KipHow funny was that ? Like slow motion , stare between the two of them Like Anna Lucia .
TheresaThat was ridiculous .
KipIt's like , okay , calm this down .
TheresaWe're laying that on a little fan . Yeah , exactly .
KipAnd I agree , theresa , like the Scott Steve stuff , like give it a rest .
TheresaLike that . I think we're good .
KipEnough already . And how would she even know that one name is wrong ? She never met one of them .
TheresaWell exactly , she would just know the one name .
KipExactly Like that was stupid . I was like , okay , we're done with this , yeah yeah .
TheresaLet's , let's also just like let the man rest in peace , you know .
KipSo son gets kidnapped or taken whatever . I thought it was funny when Sawyer was like it's the wrong weave on this hood and I know it's supposed to be about how he notices details and stuff I'm like I don't think Sawyer would have noticed the weave on the hood . No , they ripped off of Kate few days ago .
AmandaAlso , what's just ?
Kipin the dark , they don't have like 20 different hoods .
AmandaYeah , exactly .
TheresaYeah , the whole thing was just a little bit .
KipBut I weird , yeah , weird . How does Charlie know how to do that ?
TheresaBecause he's in his evil phase .
AmandaGuys , I'm going to be honest with you . I think son could take Charlie .
TheresaI think a hundred percent .
AmandaI thought that , like one of might be one of the most , like he did , obviously , you know , come up from behind .
KipGet her by surprise .
AmandaSurprise , but I still think she could take him . Maybe that's actually what happened . Maybe Charlie didn't mean to let her go . Probably did actually fight loose .
KipWell , because even Kate's . Like you know , people are , do and can do amazing things when they're fighting for their life , and so it's like that's when the hot oil death match comment comes out Disgusting , of course .
AmandaI do like just kind of going back to like flashbacks into this thing .
AmandaI really did like I find particularly the flashbacks To be some of the stuff I remember the least , just because obviously the on island stuff is going to be like what kind of the main narrative was .
AmandaI did remember this episode and that Sawyer was involved with a woman and that as soon as it came up I knew that she was going to know that like that wasn't that the con or whatever . But I for some reason thought or think or thought it might be that like something went wrong with her in a way that like upset Sawyer and that like we're going to see like that's why he's so untrusting now and that's why , like I still don't think we got that like kind of connection piece for this . Like he ends up screwing her on like off the island and they screws them all over on the island . So what are we supposed to take from this ? Just exactly like what he says he's a bad person or what Kate says that she wants he wants everyone to hate him . But then why , right , why do we still not have a why when it comes to it's ?
Kipa good question . Well , what are your thoughts on it ? Why does he want that ?
AmandaWell , and that's what I mean , like I almost feel like if it had turned out like she did , like I'm just like , like Gordie did kill Cassidy or like did something and the lesson is like if he gets close to people they get hurt , or if they get , if he gets close to people , they fuck him over . You know , like I understand these are kind of cliched storylines anyway , but at least to be something to like point to like why Sawyer is doing trying so hard to keep everyone at it , because I agree that it does seem like what he's trying to do . Yeah , because him and Kate especially , we're like getting along so well .
AmandaHe seems to always want that right and they're probably the best they've been , and he fucks it over .
KipYeah , and like even earlier in the season , like he , when Kate's cutting his hair or whatever , and she says to him people are glad you're OK or whatever . Somehow it comes out , and even her is like hey , sawyer , glad you're back , and he gets all like weird about it . So he doesn't want people to like him or to be close to him .
AmandaYeah , but yeah , we don't know why . I don't really know why .
KipLike it's just a lifetime of conning people has turned him into , has given him a fear of getting close to folks .
AmandaAnd I mean we know the whole like his parents thing .
KipYeah .
AmandaObviously it's pretty fucked up .
KipMm , hmm .
TheresaOh yeah .
AmandaSo obviously he believes that like love hurts , but also like I'm not sure that's enough really at this point for me to be convinced that he would like still , because we do see some moments of like him trying to like be a part of stuff or like do things that are helpful , and it's like why isn't that momentum kind of building a bit , especially with Kate ? I think if he hadn't Fucked over Kate I would be a little bit more buying the fucking over everyone thing .
KipBut like I feel like he must be close to Kate I think he does and he kind of like says this thing like good thing you don't hate me , freckles or whatever you know , almost like a little caveat , like please don't hate me , like that's his way of saying I'm sorry in a weird way , but I think maybe it's also because he just really is pissed off at Jack and it's like , and at everybody apparently for taking quote , unquote his stuff , even though he got it from the wreckage right .
KipSo it's like so it's . Not only is that he's trying to like push people away , but he's just trying to prove a point that he can probably Turn things around on people . He can get back at Jack and in a way and unfortunately he needs to use Kate to make that happen and it's so . It's unfortunate , but he's like , willing to do it . It's unfortunate , but he's like , willing to do it , willing to like .
AmandaYeah .
KipTo use her to get back at Jack and to piss him off . And just like I think he says that to lock at one point , it's like you know it'll piss off Jack . I think those are his exact words Lock .
AmandaSo lock is the only voice of reason .
KipBut when ? How ? Why Shower me with your lock love ?
TheresaKate , oh , no , no no no , no no , that's just . Let's try that again . Shower me with your ideas about lock . Ok .
AmandaUm , he always keeps like a very cool .
KipYeah , he does .
AmandaLike Jack . He really is a good foil to Jack because Jack comes in guns , blazing , ripping apart like you know stuff . And it's so funny to me because Jack is a doctor Like , yes , he's like used to like being able to fix things and get in and this and that , but he's also , like you would believe a doctor would be measured and logical and and and you know specific in their actions . Not this like kind of like you know bull in a china shop type attitude that Jack seemed to have adopted since he's been on this island . Um , john is very like careful with what he does and what he says and what he like puts out into the universe . And , like he , whenever everyone starts getting worked up , he's like the first to kind of be like , ok , we're not going to Arm a bunch of randoms , that was good . And like say like we're going to have another accident , yeah Right .
KipNo , I agree that that scene specifically was very A good scene for lock , in that he's sort of like he knows he has to hear Jack out , he almost has to placate him and be like sounds like a plan .
KipYou know he's like whatever , jack , but he he was truthful . It was good that he said that we're going to have another accident . You can't just go arming people . So that was good . Of lock , I agree . Um , he is often that calm voice , sort of like let's take a step back and think things through a little bit before we react . Only I think , sorry , go ahead .
TheresaI think that's why I have such a hard time with John being part of the the cotton . Yeah , Because I just don't believe that he would act so quickly to take all the guns out , yeah , and to hide it , but that's it , doesn't make sense to me , like I think that he would sooner change the combination , then Take them all out and hide them somewhere in the jungle , like that just doesn't seem like something he would do , especially like he has this like fear on his face that like Doesn't compute for me , I agree .
KipLike when he it just seemed out of character to be so easy , so easily fooled by Sawyer , to be conned by Sawyer . I think he would have done something like change the lock , to take that sober . Second thought to slow John , to slow Jack down and to be able to sort of like calm . This calm situation not necessarily like this is .
KipThis is him pulling a jack and he's reacting and being like hey we got to take all these guns out of it and it's like that was just so . It didn't seem Like lock to me .
TheresaYeah , same here .
AmandaSee , I think it kind of does make sense though for like the when they're at , because I think that's kind of why that first scene happens , because it's a show that , like lock Really doesn't trust Jack and he doesn't really trust like that Jack won't do Anything and everything to like get what he wants , which is why he says to sorry , right , like I could change lock , but he'll get in there eventually , right , like , and stuff like that . So I think it kind of makes it like I agree that it's like a pretty Quick reaction to like what's happening , but we also do see that when lock Kind of gets these like ideas in his head , he doesn't make good choices .
AmandaRight like he didn't make good choices with the like playing and boon and stuff like that . If he's like , if he thinks he's right about something , he will kind of like go out of his way to kind of protect it . And what I don't , I don't , the part I don't buy , is more that I don't think he would not have noticed that , charlie was tracking him .
TheresaOh , that also doesn't make any sense . No , Charlie's not that slick , come on , oh my god .
KipHe's like the best tracker on the whole beach , like he notices everything .
TheresaHe notices when people have just been going around in circles like there's no way .
AmandaSo I think that it's also supposed to kind of tell us that he's not in his like his best frame of mind . Best frame of mind either because I think he is freaked out about like how much this like mob mentality is kind of like permeating this group .
KipBut it's like is this the beginning of , like John lock ? I mean , we did have a break of philosophy for lock for quite a while because there was one point where , like , oh , it's so nice to have him back and it's like is this him sort of like falling back into that sort of he's obsessive about something again in this and this Point ? It's almost like he's obsessive to the fact of he's gonna Be rising up , rise above John , or not John , he's gonna rise above Jack and be like the voice of reason , even though he does something that screws them all over in the end .
KipBut I don't know . They both . They both did what they said they wouldn't do . Yeah so they're both wrong correct .
TheresaThey're both not trustworthy .
AmandaNo no which I mean , I think , we all knew yeah like they're both kind of hotheaded in a different way . Yeah right .
TheresaYeah like .
AmandaHotheaded might not be the right word . Jack is hotheaded , lock is level-headed , but they're both very like strong willed strong will and they won't back down . And they're reactive in very different ways , but reactive nonetheless and like my favorite part of this episode in terms of like actual , like scene , like coming together . I actually love the scene where sorry , it comes out with that gun , because I think it actually makes total sense that like they don't really say or do anything .
AmandaYeah like I think at that point that is super on brand for them because , like to me , it's like oh , we have a lot to say .
Amanda99% of the time , yeah but when they have both been kind of like bamboozled for a lot of the better word they're like Eek , and I thought that was on character and made sense for the scene and made sense for like what are they supposed to do ? Like they can't really say or do anything , and I was actually like impressed that they didn't say or do anything like at that point and I think it shows just like how much they're like like actually they it's so true kind of what he says , like sorry , at one point that like they weren't worried about him . Yeah , because they were so in each other's , like they didn't trust each other , that now they got screwed over by someone else that they weren't even worried about exactly in there like periphery .
KipThat is such a good point . It's like do they learn from this ? Will they learn from this , right ?
Dissecting Charlie's Dark Deeds
KipThey like ? I love that line , yet John and Jack were worried too much about John and Jack Mm-hmm , exactly , jack , or whatever they say , and it's true , right .
AmandaYeah , and then they got and and he got . He got everyone to care about what they were already , like kind of low key , obsessed about , so he could just like , like , like swoop in and Kind of do what he was gonna do right and control the situation .
KipOkay , I laughed out loud when Sawyer said you took my stuff .
TheresaOh , he's like a child .
KipI know Like it was just so weird that that's like so he's clings to .
AmandaSo bad , and that's why I do think it is about something more than that like it . I think it's more like the Disrespective it to him because , like , how , how could he care about all that at this one , and why hasn't it come up sooner ? Yeah right , it's like he's been kind of like waiting for a while now for a moment to kind of like and he was , I know he was injured and this , but like I feel like Jack going through stuff , it was just like the disrespect of it and this idea that like no , like I've been injured .
AmandaI've been on this raft and I had to walk back with these other people and you're just gonna walk in here . I'm not even acknowledging my existence , even though I'm 10 feet from you . Oh .
KipHow funny was it giving ? So you're giving Charlie the gears about moving out to the suburbs . I'm like boy , these people hated me , but stealing babies Whoo .
TheresaTrying to drown ? Yeah , that was .
KipThat was a good little model .
AmandaI can't . Let's talk about the Charlie of it all .
KipYes , please oh .
AmandaI can't . What is happening to this person ?
KipLike I don't even .
TheresaHe's in his evil face , but I don't even .
AmandaHe's dark , charlie . Now he has his hood up .
KipIt's gone to dark , charlie .
AmandaIt is funny . However , it's something bad . It's it up .
TheresaIt's ridiculous , I can't see you Charlie .
KipLike just he just did it to embarrass John Locke .
AmandaYeah , that's fucked by the way .
KipThat is so fucked .
AmandaI wanted to make him a fool . I wanted to make him look like a fool .
KipYou endangered another person's life . Yeah , you attacked another human being someone that you know and and Respect my life care .
AmandaYeah , a little bit probably right .
KipThat's sick , just sick , and like we're supposed to like , just chalk it up Like I ? I don't even know , does this get or get addressed ? I can't remember .
AmandaI don't know either .
KipBut like we're just supposed to chalk it up and like I Don't know when the next Charlie episode is , but I hope that like , somehow it gets addressed .
AmandaI just want Charlie to be punished to this point like get ?
Kipyeah , can you imagine if they found out about this , like everyone on the island , like what's I eat ? What Jack would do to him did put him in a cave . What Jin would do ? Well , and Jen would kill him ? Yeah , jen would kill him .
AmandaDo we ever figure this ? Did they ever come back to this ? I don't know because I understand that . We know that Sawyer has the guns , yeah , but what does everyone think happen to son at this one , like when when Sawyer comes out with yeah , yeah , yeah they're all looking at him . Do they still think that ?
KipWell , Kate asks him Did you have anything to do with son ? And he'd . All he says is what kind of person you think I am ? He doesn't answer her . So do you think that she believes him or not ?
AmandaI don't think Kate believes much of anything . That's where it has to say no , especially at this point .
TheresaYeah , so he's not technically lying .
AmandaHe also doesn't . He does that a lot , he's . That's a bit of a con man thing to write .
TheresaIt's a technique .
KipI lie , yeah , yeah right , you are deceiving exactly .
TheresaThere's no real answer there , but and like technically Well , he was involved with how it happened he what she says ?
KipI think she says I could be wrong . Did you have anything to do with son ? But he had everything to do with it technically .
TheresaWell , Charlie did .
KipYeah , but he , charlie , wouldn't have done it if Sawyer didn't talk to him about .
AmandaI mean , that's true , he also never says yes or no . He says what kind of person exactly .
KipBecause , like Charlie says , no one can find out . So what I did find out and then he says , sir , how did you come up with all of this ? Like he's asking , so so . I hate it like insinuated Sawyer credit created this whole plan .
TheresaYeah , I'm taking son . That's fair . I hated that question .
KipWhy .
TheresaBecause why would you ask now , like who cares , what's done is done ? You would have asked this question when he said hey , can you go attack son for me ?
KipYeah , how did you come up with this ?
TheresaLike what are we doing this ? You would just go through the whole thing , them at the end like maybe , though .
KipMaybe Like kind of what you were just saying about how con man just doesn't quite always give full , truthful answers . He probably con Charlie a little bit too into doing what he needed to do . We don't know what he said to Charlie . Charlie probably didn't have the full picture .
TheresaI mean , that almost makes it worse , though , right , like you know , I'm a full picture and you're going to go attack one of your fellow castaways like . That doesn't make any sense either . They're like it's horrible .
AmandaI actually think at this point I Makes perfect sense for Charlie . Charlie is just off the fucking rails at this point , like no , I can find out about this .
KipI didn't .
AmandaI literally .
KipHate you . I did it to make a fool out of John Locke .
AmandaI wanted to feel like fool and like .
KipI don't know , I don't think . Maybe John Locke himself felt a bit foolish , but I don't think anyone on the beach is like , oh my god , john .
TheresaNo , what a fool . I wonder who's responsible for all this . I think it's Charlie , maybe .
AmandaThey still probably think it's sort of Everyone's just thinking it's sort of . Sort of a dick exactly . But no , charlie's like John's a fool .
KipEveryone's like what ? What are you talking about ? No , Sawyer's an asshole .
AmandaBut like and just yeah , like he is just I just imagine Charlie sitting around the party like boy .
KipThat John sure looked like a fool hey .
TheresaAnd they're like what ? No , dummy just awkward smiles on the ground .
AmandaEpisode of South Park when it's my favorite episode of South Park just for the record where they go skiing in Aspen . Stan Comes across these like cool kids and the kids act like they're in like a feud with him . So they'll be like Stan Marsh the Darsh .
TheresaAnd then he's like what ?
Amandaand they're like oh , you want to take us on the hills and all this stuff . And he's like no , and like this is what it reminded me of Charlie's , those like annoying kids in Aspen and everyone else is like what Stan being like ? Why does he think something's going on that no one else knows about ?
KipOh , that's funny doing exactly .
AmandaJohn's ruining my life and I'm gonna make him look like a fool . Look at how I made him look like a fool . And everyone's like Charlie , you're the dick exactly like Charlie , you're the one who did everything last week .
Character Analysis and Episode Review
KipOr yesterday , whenever in the in the show yesterday , like you don't get to just make John look like a fool because you Screwed up that's what really fucked up when you think about that .
TheresaIt was yesterday .
KipYeah .
TheresaYesterday this happened . I'm gonna hit you , son . Just to get back at John . Oh yeah , like yeah , he's .
AmandaThat's what I mean about like at this point , like and let's remember Jack .
KipAnd Well , he hates John , so he doesn't care what John says , but even Jack's like Charlie , I need to know You'll never do anything like this again . And then he literally does something . I like that .
AmandaArguably way worse like way like , whatever his , his , his actions were not okay , but his like intention behind them , as misguided and warped as they were , he didn't want to harm Aaron . No but this is arguably so much worse because he he did want to harm Son like or at least he knew that that was a possibility .
TheresaIt could have happened . Did you see that bump on her head ? Oh my god , it's a sizable walnut .
AmandaSo like you go from these like really warped , unintentional , like messed up actions with Aaron that everyone hates you for , and your next step in , like you said , kips and Promising Jack , that's not gonna happen again to like knowingly putting someone at risk , to make John look like a fool , because Because and you're right he probably didn't ask a single thing about it , because he probably , at this point , was like I Don't care because .
KipI'm sure , sawyer , like you were saying , it's true . They find a calm and we'll find the vulnerability , find the weakness . He probably saw how much he was despising John Locke and was able to find a way to prick that little scab and get him Going , and he's like he's ostracized .
AmandaHe's mad at John . I'm gonna tell him to go . You know we're gonna do this and then we're gonna steal stuff from right under John's nose and these like Charlie and Sawyer .
KipLike Sawyer's pissed off because they took his stuff . It wasn't even his stuff . Charlie's pissed off because he got called out for being a dick , like these immature little boys . Terrible , yeah , so stupid .
TheresaYeah , it's ridiculous .
KipCrazy man . So let's change the tone , hurley , I mean . So you'd still sad , understandable .
TheresaIt's only been about four days if that even maybe , yeah who knows I can't time is very different on this island . It's very different . It's not the same as the weeks we have to wait . It's the but me .
KipBut just hurley coming in and like he found a radio . I bet you like he's probably like , oh you know who would really love to play with this radio side . I'm gonna go show him .
TheresaI know he's probably so excited to like scamper off and be like hey go check this out . So he's like I'm just Let me know work on yeah , and so he's just trying to cheer him up .
KipI know it's really cute , yeah , and then when they're on the beach and he's reading the manuscript and I love that interaction with them , yeah , like when he's in that creepy music . I don't think it's moon river moon light serenade .
TheresaIt was very off-putting to me because it was like and then it well , yeah . Crystal clear like music and I was like this feels romantic but in a weird way .
KipI like how I mean . I think that's I think I've heard that before about how radio signals can bounce off the . Anisphere and travel for thousands of kilometers .
AmandaBecause there's from anywhere , or any time . Just kidding .
KipI loved that , just kidding , because it was like what ?
TheresaI know there was just like . Didn't you not have that same face when he said that you're just yeah , oh .
KipAnd he says just kidding , you're like oh , hurly and I love when , when , like he's like static sex . Good , right , static is not good , ah crap .
TheresaI know he's so sweet , I love him yeah .
AmandaAnd he's saying so consistent like yes he's consistent . You know , say what you want . Kate's pretty consistent . If I say what you want , I meant to myself Say what you want say what you want , amanda , but Kate's pretty consistent , like the people who are inconsistents , so yours like somewhat consistent , but man Charlie .
KipHe's all over the map . I .
AmandaThis . Think it's a good time to point out that this episode highlights how Sawyer is a complete asshole and Charlie is complete asshole . Yeah and we have . I have two friends who have named children after both of these men .
KipOh , my god , I hope they don't listen to this . I .
AmandaMean I think it's not after this episode and more of an overarching no love for the characters , but I just want to say For those children one day listening these are the men you're named after . Wow .
TheresaAmanda , but there's a lot of growth . We stan a gross .
KipI mean Sawyer consistently ranked as one of everyone's favorite characters .
TheresaSo he's Even as like someone who does a lot of bad shit , it's kind of hard to like Hate him .
AmandaHe's exceptionally likable . That's part of why he's a successful con man . Yeah exactly exceptionally charismatic , exceptionally charming . Yeah , he's obviously nice to look at . Uh-huh he knows how to play a crowd . Uh-huh but he is not arguably in this episode .
AmandaHe is like there's very , if we're looking at just contextually this episode , it's hard to point to anything Redeeming about this and and to be quite honest , like even in Charlie's episode , like you do see some of that like his brother fucked him over His family , this or whatever . Yeah , I don't . I don't personally buy into it , but I can see it . There's really nothing here for Sawyer at this point to show us . Like we do know , in his past that thing happened with his dad and mom awful .
KipNo , all right . So Sawyer is an asshole , Charlie's an asshole . We love Kate well I . Liked Kate a lot . I know you did , I know we love Kate , all three of us just love her , and I think it's time to see where these characters right in Teresa's rankings .
TheresaYeah , all right . So at number 16 , he has not moved . Michael , negative 830 . We have a new in person at number 15 . Charlie is at negative 615 . No one attacks on I'm a . Lucy is at negative 230 . Kate is at negative 80 . Desmond is at 60 , walta 240 . Libby comes in at number 10 at 355 . Jack's at number 9 with 610 . Claire is at number 8 with 805 . Sorry , is it number 7 with 820 ? Echoes at number 6 with 1195 . Sait is at number 5 with 1290 . Jin is at number 4 with 1335 . Lock is at number 3 with 1555 . Sun is at number 2 , wow , 1570 , which leaves Hurley at number 1 with 1645 .
KipSun Fallen behind , been dethroned Wow .
AmandaYou know it's so funny to me about these rankings , all of it , but in particular , no , the best way , teresa . The best way , that's a compliment . It's so much to me in that face .
TheresaI don't know , teresa , you know it's funny about these rankings , other than all of it .
KipI think no it's good in a great fun way .
AmandaBut what I like about it is that Hurley being at the top for those of you who are aware of like a lot of the loss lore , hurley Like consistently ranks among people . I can't remember what it was , but I saw something even the other , like yesterday . That was like don't come for Hurley , or whatever , in terms of yeah , I saw that .
TheresaYeah what was that ? I don't know .
AmandaSomething random but it was like , yeah , don't come for Hurley , and it's like he always does . I'm not sure Sun ranks as high in people's like General lore as it does as she does specifically for Teresa . So I find it funny that one of the characters that you've been ranking consistently high is like very infamously well loved across lost and the fandom , but then the next person you rate high , I think , is not . So it's just interesting to see how , like your viewpoints .
TheresaIt's all . It's all a point system , like they call us , in some ways with the popular kind of opinion and then in some ways it's completely Just like this .
AmandaSo , all this to say , I actually do think that there's some science to this that I wasn't , you know , quite respectful of enough in the past .
KipSo I All righty Well , trisa , why don't you start us off Me ? What did you think of this episode 8.1 . Wow , ok , nice .
TheresaUm , not my favorite episode , not my least favorite . I felt a little bit like we were being manipulated , like very like I was like very much like what's the word I'm looking for ? Like I was being hit in the face with , like we're manipulating you , which I didn't really love . I prefer a little bit more subtlety , but overall I like the episode .
KipThanks , I'll give it a 7.5 . I mean , probably not one of my most memorable episodes , it's kind of just Easily forgotten . It's obviously an episode dedicated not well , kind of dedicated to Sawyer , I guess . But like Sawyer is obviously in his prime as a bad guy , charlie's a bad guy too and everyone just kind of gets snickered , including us .
AmandaI give it around 8.7 , which is what I thought that you know it would give it on IMDB . I don't know . I find that on Island stuff to be quite compelling . I don't particularly . I think the flashbacks are like I don't know . I feel like the flashbacks were a lot stronger in season one , maybe just because we're like it was the first kind of intro we had to everyone , I don't know , or if they're just getting a little bit lazy , but I did find them a lot . I still like the idea of the flashbacks , but I don't like what we're learning . I don't find it as like wow , like this is so interesting . I find it a little bit more like just not that helpful . But I did like the on Island stuff . I think what Sawyer does makes a lot of sense . I don't like it . I think it makes a lot of sense for his character .
AmandaI do think that Locke is great in this episode . I do like to kind of see the Jack Locke , you know , because it's a subtle . You know it's very clear that they're pitted against each other but it's a bit more subtle than a lot of like kind of antagonist , protection , protagonist , protagonist relationships would be . So I kind of like seeing how Sawyer kind of sussed it out a little bit in them and showed us how much of a tightrope these two leaders have been really walking . So I do like that piece of it and we can't really get into it . But there are two kind of foreshadowy type moments in this episode which were kind of fun to see . So if anyone wants to reach out and talk to us about what they think that might be , we're happy to talk about it . But we always try to keep this spoiler free . But there's definitely a couple things that we're excited to see in the future and point back to .
KipAbsolutely Cool . That's a good . I liked your commentary about the Jack Locke dynamic and Sawyer kind of taking advantage of that so cool .
AmandaCool , before we sign off , are you going to give us a little bit more insight ?
Kipinto your rankings .
AmandaWhat do you think you're going to be doing with that ?
KipOkay , I'm not going to give my rankings each episode . I will be doing them , but I'm not going to take the spotlight away from Teresa . But I will , in time , deliver . Or do you want to know my who's at the top and who's at the bottom only ?
TheresaOr do you want to know anything ? I want to know it all , everything .
AmandaWell , when were you thinking you would share with the audience , like at the end of a season ?
KipI was thinking at the end of a season .
AmandaOkay , I got a little surprised . Why don't you just tell us your first and last for each episode ?
KipOkay , all right .
AmandaWith no context .
KipNo context . Last place , Charlie .
TheresaShocker .
KipFirst place , it's Kate .
AmandaIt was a great segment , kate . We thank you for trying it . I'm not sure there's really a place for both your rankings and Teresa's rankings , so we'll take it under advisement .
KipYeah , you let me know .
AmandaWe'll see if you're back next week at all . No , that makes sense . I like Kate in this episode too .
KipAnd I just started in this episode . I know I got Kate up .
AmandaI mean , I don't think she's number one in the episode , but who is really ? Yeah ?
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KipThanks for listening and we shall see you next week .
TheresaBye .