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Let's Get Lost 38 - Season 2: Maternity Leave
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Theresawe're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking , but even more so we love talking about lost . So join us for some laughs , good conversation and let's get lost together together Alright .
Kipwell , welcome to this week's episode of let's Get Lost . It's me Kip . I am here joined with Amanda .
AmandaHello .
KipAnd I'm joined with Teresa . Hi , we are here today to talk about another fabulous episode of let's Get Lost . If it had a theme song , what would you think the theme song of this episode would be ?
AmandaOf maternity leave .
KipYeah .
AmandaI don't know . That sounds like be my , be my baby , be my little baby .
TheresaI want an only baby .
AmandaThat one Cause of that last scene with Claire . It's so cute . Probably a song for mama . A song for mama by voiced men yeah , oh , I don't know that one I also went with that one because they always have weird songs like um , um , make your own kind of music don't quite fit , but kind of fit .
KipYeah , totally . Anyway , what do you think ? I went at a different route . Mine was it's all coming back it's all coming back to me now that was good .
AmandaIt was quite dramatic , yeah . So yeah , I get it . I would do the same thing so now that we know what music it makes us think of . How about we get a synopsis ? Amanda , take it away .
KipSo Regante Anyway it's directed by Jack , like the wine .
TheresaIs that how you ?
Amandasay that Chianti , chianti .
KipI thought it was a Chianti , it's the one with the straw on the outside right .
AmandaYeah , like the weird straw paper .
AmandaBut anyway , a Chianti or Chianti whatever . That's what his name kind of looks like . Sorry , I don't want that . Moving on from that that it was directed by the one and only jack bender , who we were doing some talking and researching before the episode started . Jack bender directed 43 episodes of lost , so you're gonna hear his name a few more times , even this season . The synopsis is as follows a desperate , claire attempts to return to the scene of her kidnapping , where she believes she might find the cure for baby Aaron's mysterious illness . Meanwhile , jack and lock must keep their prisoner a secret from the rest of the survivors .
KipYeah , it's actually not bad .
AmandaThat's a good one .
KipI , I . I don't know what the Disney plus one is , but this one wasn't so bad Actually .
AmandaWe also recently realized , cause I think I thought that it was because lost like an older show and they weren't putting like as much effort into the synopses on disney plus . And that's why I would bring it up , because I was like it felt kind of like lazy and I was like you know , the old shows also deserve what is it claire becomes determined to find out what happened to her .
AmandaOkay , that's not bad , I mean but anyway , all this to say , we were watching the bear , which is a very popular . It's a Hulu show technically , or FX sort of , but it plays on Disney plus here in Canada and the writeup for that is like just as bad , like there was one episode where it was like Marcus learns something like , or something like that .
TheresaLike searches yeah .
AmandaMarcus learns something or something like that .
KipLike searches , marcus tries something new or something , and I'm like , okay , so this is just Disney+ .
AmandaThey put the most minimal synopses for any show , so Lost is not getting the shit end of the deal with Disney+ , but it is still not getting the most .
KipAll right , I'll give you some figures on this week's episode . Okay , imdb 8.3 out of 10 . Viewers 16DB 8.3 out of 10 . Okay , Viewers 16.43 million . That's a bit of a dive .
TheresaBecause it was 19 before or 18 ?
KipYeah , we went down 1.77 million . Almost 2 million people . Now , I don't know , maybe there was some big thing on another network that night . It's hard with network television , but it's a big drop . We got a Sawyer nickname count . Only one work television , but it's a big drop . We got a sawyer nickname count only one , any guesses , any remembrances ? No , it's not freckles , but it's directed to her yeah , he's the .
TheresaShe's the only one you tell he talks to essentially yeah , it's thelma , calls her thelma okay just really quickly before we move on to
Amandathe like facts . Kip had posted something on the internet today and people had commented and I mean , I don't know this is just someone's comment , but I do think it's kind of interesting because if you look at our social medias around this time , right now they're . Kip did this great kind of grid about how the ratings of the season changed and we're talking about kind of how you know , 16 million is like a big drop , but it's still a lot , and I mean this . I don't know how well research is , but someone did comment saying tv has certainly changed , but 2023's top rated non-sports show was ncis , which averaged 9.9 million viewers , roughly in line with season five of loss .
KipSo yeah it's interesting because we've kind of alluded to that , about that before and so I again .
AmandaI don't know how accurate the stat is , but just that idea that like that ncis being the top rated , was 9.9 and we're saying 16 is .
KipOh , it took a big dip the top show seven million less than that . Oh , they would kill for those numbers . So I just I thought , well , that's interesting . Yeah , I mean , please go to our social media and look at these cool graphs , because what's not noted on them which I thought was interesting too is at the time , lost was the most dvr'd show , so those numbers don't account for dvr watches and on abccom in the states anyway , you could watch it online as well . And , like back in the day , that was very rare and they got tons . It was the most online viewed show and , I think , the most pirated show at the time too . So everybody loved it
Lost Trivia and High-Level Thoughts
Kipand people watched it .
KipIn many ways didn't always reflect in the ratings and so the fact that it still even reflected that highly exactly yeah , okay , so we're on day 58 , day 59 on the island , a one-nighter um , and I've started keeping track of one more thing , oh , my god because this just makes me laugh so much about this show is it aaron's age ?
Theresano , it's not aaron's age because I think it's 10 days yeah , that is very young , it's .
KipI'm gonna start doing a knockout count okay , the amount of times people get knocked unconscious because it is so often and these people would have such horrible head trauma in real life I'm like and today it's it's Claire , like a pregnant woman is knocked unconscious with a butt of a gun . It's just so ridiculous . So casual yeah , she went in the show real quick , like the show is always just like boom knocked out , boom knocked out . So I think that is so funny .
TheresaYeah , always just like boom knocked out , boom knocked out . So I think that is so funny .
KipYeah , we're very about the knockout , yeah but I guess the island can heal them . So no concussions , all right , okay , you ready for some trivia ? Ready all right , tanya raymond , raymond , raymond . Tanya raymond was introduced as alex for the first time and will be recurring character , who was her character originally promoted as in order to avoid any potential spoilers I didn't know she was promoted as anything . I didn't either she was promoted as just another survivor who is introduced in maternity leave and originally only credited as young girl .
AmandaThat's fair . So it's not to give any spoilers , Like ahead of time , you mean , or that was like this episode .
KipNo , ahead of time like in production and like any sort of promos and stuff like that , like they didn't use the name Alex .
AmandaThe name Alex until it aired . That's awesome .
KipAll right . So what was Tanya Raymond's previous known role before being cast on Lost ?
AmandaOh , I do remember that she was on something I've never seen this person before in my life and we've talked about it before . I can't remember .
KipIt was every or not everybody loves Tanya , Raymond . It was Malcolm in the Middle .
AmandaOkay .
KipAnd she played Malcolm's classmate , Cynthia Sanders .
AmandaOh cute .
KipWith a very large vocabulary and troublemaking friends . But they became friends . That's cute . I loved Malcolm in the Middle .
AmandaI love that show too . I love Brian Cranston .
KipYeah , okay . Where do the numbers appear in this episode ?
TheresaWe are sucking today . I know it's on the mural .
KipIn the hatch Like a new vision of them .
TheresaI'm gonna . I'm trying to think of a sound Crap .
AmandaIf it helps , I have nothing to contribute to this ?
TheresaI'm going to guess the bottles . Yeah , the vaccine bottles .
KipYou're right , yeah , that's where they are .
TheresaI couldn't think of a sound Walt .
KipThat's good for you , good for you walt , that's good for you , good for you all . Right , thanks , one zero , okay , one more question and then a bonus question what dostoyevsky novel does lock ?
Amandagive henry to read uh , the brothers karaskovsky , or whatever , uh karamazov the brothers karamazov . You know what I meant yeah , no , you got it .
KipBonus question will am Amanda read it or will she ever read any of the books ?
AmandaFirst of all , I also noticed that Sawyer's reading Lancelot , lancelot .
KipOh cool , Did you buy that book ?
AmandaNo , I'm still working on Watership .
KipDown . She's still working on the very first one . All right , so we're done with trivia , let's move on to amanda's high level thought of the episode I thought about it today .
AmandaHere's my high level thought of today's episode . There's two . One is a bonus one because I've talked about this a lot , but it was reminding me of this too . I have no idea when things happen in this show in a rewatch , did I ? Like ? When I was watching this and there was that flash of alex's face in her like flashback , I was like what the fuck ? Like I was like , is that alex ? Like I did not expect alex to be this . So anyway , that's my high level , but it kind of doesn't count because I've said that before .
AmandaIt's just another episode that reminds me that I'm like I have no idea what's happening . My real high level one for this is oh my god , claire is immature and I thought she wasn't . When I first watched it I was like wow , she's so cool , she's so well put together for like a young mother . But I think because I was like 22 , yeah , and now I'm not , I'm like claire is out of control , calm down and has like no , like I was very concerned about it's very cute to see her with erin , but like she really is kind of like has no idea what she's doing .
KipYeah , okay . Well , we'll be talking a lot about that , because obviously this is a Claire centric episode .
AmandaAll right , it's time for bring on .
KipTeresa stream of consciousness .
TheresaAlso , even though I don't say also anymore what , since when ?
TheresaI don't know . I just I realized I don't say also that frequently . Maternity leave . Does John know everyone's schedule in the hatch ? You think I'm surprised . No one , no one's like . Shush that baby . We're trying to sleep . How long does it take to get to the hatch ? Why isn't Jack sleeping in the bed ? Okay , that's why Gotta guard Henry , I guess . Sad that they don't have baby clothes for the kiddo ? Hey , no one can sew . Russo is terrifying when it comes to babies . Wait , what doesn't she remember ? Oh , that's quite the series of flashbacks . Hi , kate to the rescue . She's such a bro . I hope Jack means no one's gotten any weird infection .
TheresaI assume some folks have gotten sick from random eating things , eating too many fruit , bug bites , something , right , maybe . Libby is probably one of my fave others so far . She's so nice . I know I say this a lot of the time , but Claire has great eyes and that baby is huge . My god , what is Henry eating ? Rice and a pork chop Again . Does everyone get a turn in hatch luxury ? Okay , the shift switch . That makes sense . But Locke is right , folks are going to be pissed that they don't get , you know , hatch luxury .
TheresaLibby's voice is very calming . Are we hypnotizing Claire ? Why is Claire wearing mascara ? I know that voice , I knew it . Ethan . Okay , that's a giant needle , a little pinch . What a lie .
TheresaI think what bothers me about this whole thing is that we're so quick to believe that what Ethan did was right , considering he kidnapped them and hung Charlie . Like we're also basing this sickness on what Russo said . Oy , calm down Claire . Also , holy crap , echo dem arms . John can be so calm under pressure . Why did we give Sawyer broken glasses last time and now he's got perfectly fine ones ? And , oh my god , kate's arms again . I'm so jealous .
TheresaWell , sun looks triggered by her asking if she's a mother . Awkward , I'm sorry . Does Claire think that Ethan is a doctor or that Ethan is the Ethan from plane ? Or is she so drugged that she like doesn't care ? I mean , if she's clearly drugged , af , so maybe it's just not registered to her . What's the logic behind this ? Maybe we should question why the baby has a rube in this place . So Ethan talks to her like Ethan then Confusing . I would hate that mobile , mobile , spinny thing . Um , talk about reminder of a plane crash . I'm surprised this isn't triggering her . Why does this voice sound so familiar ? Um , we should really trust our resident Dr Claire . Let's not just go running off . Um , what was Claire's plan without Kate , considering , claire can't track anything . What is that look on Russo's face ? For when Claire was yelling , I mean , if the island wasn't so scary half the time , it would be really beautiful . It's very green . Russo did what she said she was going to do Claire , not her fault if you're not remembering anything .
TheresaSomething is so off here . You know , kate , stop yelling after her , just track her . She's not going to come back to you . Wait what Claire knows how to crochet . Sneak out of here . Like , ethan seems relatively nice , which is confusing to my brain because I don't know . She's drugged as fuck , I like . I think it's polite of him to ask to touch her stomach , considering he already touches and pokes her there . Seriously , who does Claire think Ethan is ? Also , can she be sure she's drugged as if ? Nah , my thanks .
TheresaNo , another hatch and we are just gonna open it willy-nilly . Oh my god , let's think this through . Oh , okay , in we go . We don't know what's down there . We have a gun and russo , so I guess that's something , kate , don't turn the power on , though what if there's someone there ? Then they'll know . Intruder alert you guys . Okay , but maybe there's no lights on . Since there's no lights on , maybe no one's home . Is that what we're assuming , kate ? Let's go back to the group . Doll , there's safety in numbers . Oh , hell to the fucking . No , I knew it .
TheresaJacuzzi , who is this ? Now the teen we know ? Now , again , we don't know that what he's using is medicine . You know , if the vaccine's in there , it's probably broken now or empty . Oh my God , talk about a scratch . Look at those scars on Russo's arms .
TheresaAw , she actually is a nice lady but also so strong to be living like this for 16 years . She's so sad she's got such a tragic story . I love Mr Echo . Henry looks afraid Echo has to be one of the most complex characters on this show . His apology in this whole scene is just so riveting to me . And lucky , lucky Erin is okay , just like Jack said , had she just been a little patient ? But you know what ? I don't have any kids , so I don't know how scary it is for my kid to have a mystery illness . I probably would believe the doctor instead of some woman who tried to steal my baby . Oh , and now Henry gets a fruit bowl , so I guess it wasn't a pork chop
Relationship Dynamics and Manipulative Behavior
Theresabefore . Oh , henry , and the manipulative statements . Eh , you literally sound like a manipulator person . Tis on you , locke . You're better than to believe his lies . Ah , but we believed his lies .
KipYeah , Locke can't help himself .
TheresaNo , that was disappointing , and it's one of those moments where you realize that like he's so strong in so many ways , but he's still so like , weak and fragile in so many ways he's still so like weak and fragile in so many ways .
AmandaYes , fragile I was a little sad . I mean we'll get there , but I was a little bit disappointed at how easy it was for henry to get under lock skin can we start with jack and lock in this episode ? Yeah , because I have to . I have to , I have to break the fourth wall here on this podcast and say the whiteboard that we utilize so well for all of our thoughts kip usually gives us kind of like talking points , but instead today he's just giving us fucking gems .
AmandaWe could just read directly into and we don't even need to actually have conversations and it starts well , it starts with something else , whatever . But when the next thing is jack and lock , cute married couple with issues vibe totally right , especially when , like they're at the kitchen , like thinking the next thing you want to be is like honey . I know when are you ?
Kipgonna be home from work tonight once in locks , even washing dishes stop asking me that lock I wrote down so many things like even when jack's locks like henry and jack's , he's asleep like it's like their kid or something .
AmandaYeah you literally it's like they're walking on eggshells and it's gonna be like jack's me , like I've told you 10 times lock not to wash the dishes that way they bring henry food together , like it's just so weird yeah and they bicker .
KipOh , it's so funny .
AmandaThey're very jack is very like disrespectful to lock , though I find yeah , it's because he doesn't like him . He really doesn't really have jack is not good at like chilling with people he does not like . No I don't know if jack has many friends yeah , probably not I don't think he's much of a friend person no , he had that guy that was his like best man or whatever , at his wedding yeah , but that's about it like everyone can find a best man , yeah like everybody like someone's willing to step up for that .
KipBut I will say he finally had some good bedside manner , I felt anyway , I thought he was really good with claire that leads to another fucking gem from the board guys .
AmandaI'm just going to wait till you say something that just triggers one of these , which is this one Friendly Dr Jack is sexy Jack .
KipOh , he was just on fire today . I was just so attracted to Jack today in this episode . Agreed Just like when he was in doctor mode , not when he was in the hatch , but when was on the beach talking to claire as a really good doctor yeah , it's like oh , I know he's good with babies yeah , which is funny because he's a , not a pediatrician no , but he is good with like in reassuring her yeah I agree .
AmandaI agree with that statement on the board .
KipFriendly dr jack , he is sexy jack same yeah , I thought they were kind of funny um together in this episode . It's just like how how much longer is it going to draw out ? Well , I mean , we know it comes to many different types of uh situations , but this like weird dynamic between the two of them as like parents in this- in this weird how playing house situation .
AmandaI agree . Well , I mean , and it's kind of interesting because that's like having it start out that way and then have it end with Henry , like trying to get under , is like a very classic , like let's split the couple up and like Like a teenager .
KipYeah , Trying to break like get on one parent's side .
AmandaI don't know why you let dad make all the choices , doesn't even here , right now . Yeah .
KipLike it's good , like that's so funny . Yeah , oh boy , okay . So where do we want to go from here ?
AmandaLike I guess . I mean it is interesting because this is kind of the first flash , Not the first , but like one of the it's only the second time they did flashbacks , but that they were on island .
AmandaYeah , so like because at one point is like oh , there's no flashbacks this episode . I'm like there are , it's just not the way that we normally see them . Um , so they still do have that flashback . They were still getting something in the present versus something that's supposed to kind of , you know , affect our view of what's going on . But it's . It's a lot more obviously direct .
KipYeah .
AmandaI really don't know , like Claire being so adamant that she has to remember because Aaron's sick , I find like a little bit weird , I guess . I guess , as I'm talking it out , I get it Like it's triggering the part that they were obviously like vaccine sick , vaccine sick . So then when she sees that he's sick it's like maybe bringing it back . But it just seemed very sudden and very dramatic .
KipYeah .
AmandaYeah .
KipYeah , it was a little much . I thought like just Claire went off the deep end so quick and I felt like so they go . She goes to Libby .
KipShe's kind of rude to her also like off the hop like you're a shrink right , yeah , like you could be a bit nicer if you want this person's help . But anyway , and libby agrees to help and so does this thing where she gets her memories back , which I'm not sure exactly if that's how it works , but I don't know . Never had it before . I thought like why wouldn't ? Why didn't Libby go on the quest with them or the mission ?
AmandaI feel like that would have been safer , like I feel like a psychologist . Maybe I'm wrong , but I feel like a psychologist would have been like , well , this isn't a good idea .
Kipbut also , if I'm here and I'm not doing anything , yeah , kate , I'll be there to like help Claire kind of cope with these like traumatizing memories that are coming back Like it was weird that she didn't go . But I don't know if that's a production choice , I guess , but in the theme of the show I thought she should have been there .
TheresaYeah .
AmandaI mean . The other thing , though , too , is that she's not as invested in these people , right ? Like when you think about how many days it's been the way right , like that's true . When you think about how many days .
KipIt's been what they've known them like four days , yeah that's a good point , or 10 days , I guess yeah , exactly like .
AmandaDefinitely not one of the original survivors , so maybe that's part of it too , is she's just kind of like don't break , drag me in to your bullshit , and it seems like she was having a really good time with her little cuties they're having a good time together when he's like hi guys , like he's just so friendly and lovable um , what I didn't like about the this style of flashback .
KipI hated those sounds during these , like weird flashbacks , Like those like it was almost like an alarm . It wasn't the , it wasn't the original flashback sound . It was like this weird horn or alarm sound .
AmandaIt was really like . Cartoonish yeah .
KipAnd it was just almost like I don't know . I've read online like some people view this as like a almost like a horror-esque type episode , like yeah I guess maybe , if that's the theme they were trying to go for , it makes sense , but it just I found it like , really like glaring and just sort of like annoying I just too like I I'm still not 100 clear on what we're supposed to feel about Ethan .
TheresaThat's . I was completely confused the whole time when it came to him , Because like he was so nice , he cares about her , but like he also kidnapped her , yeah , he was also stabbing something into her stomach .
AmandaAnd they're like clearly drugging her , oh yeah .
TheresaSo messed up .
AmandaAnd then you know , we see alex say that he they're gonna kill her and all this stuff and it's like but then , yes , like he , like . I guess the idea , like that's the thing is like is he a bad guy ? He is right , like we , we , we think we know ethan like not to give too much away , but like the goodwin ethan thing is like it turns out , goodwin is like an actually genuinely okay person , right .
KipLike in future seasons .
AmandaYeah , and then we see , and Ethan is not right , or is he also ?
KipI think he's okay , I think he's okay , yeah , I don't think he's ever shown as like a bad person .
AmandaWell , he's so creepy .
KipI think that's just like in later seasons .
AmandaLike and yeah like and I like and yeah like and I get it like they're trying to like keep her calm and subdued for the baby's sake . But I also do feel like sometimes it goes a bit farther with him , like he is trying to actually be like nice to her .
KipI think he's like trying to , because and they're , I think they're only keeping her drugs to keep her there yeah , like against her will yeah which is like so not good . So no , he's not a good person and what they're doing isn't good . Because even when she has that water and she's like , oh , it tastes so sour and she's like I don't know anything about that , but I'm not going to drink it . Clearly even that's laced with something . It's so messed up what they're doing to her .
AmandaIt's so messed up , she's stumbling around , but then she's able to knit a boot . I have to be really honest with you guys . I found this whole thing very confusing . It's like I can't walk , I'm falling into you . It's like look at this boot I knit here in this place .
KipI don't understand where I am . Maybe the drugs only affect her legs ?
AmandaAnd not her arms .
KipShe has knitting abilities still .
AmandaYeah , her legs and not her arms . Okay , she has knitting abilities still . Yeah , I mean it is sad because , like you know , it's very clear that she's so scared to have the baby and be a bad mom and not be able to take care of the baby , and that's like the thought process she we know she goes into this whole thing with wanting to give him him up for adoption etc and like not only are they drugging her , but they're also like preying on that right , taking advantage of that and just being like she'll be , he'll be safe here and we'll do this and it's .
AmandaIt's just so sad to watch like her insecurities be used against her and then obviously like to see her being physically affected as well . It's just like poor claire .
KipYeah , it was like I felt really bad for flashback , claire , but then present day , claire just graded me with , like you said , amanda , very , seemingly , very immature .
AmandaYes , one might say yelling Claire was really annoying , though . Yeah , that's another whiteboard message .
KipShe was so annoying .
TheresaShe was so annoying . She was so annoying and that's another thing .
KipI'm like thinking okay , as a director , how are you filming this and thinking this is going to play really well ? Like , direct your actress to maybe tone that down or use a different way . She's not always yelling to get those points across .
TheresaShe could be talking very angrily , or something Like the inflection could be different or the body language or the way that she's looking at people , but it was a lot of it was a lot of yelling . Yeah , a lot of the same kind of yelling facial expression . There wasn't like a lot of range to it , it just kind of . It was just like manic .
KipManic .
AmandaWow , I've never watched someone have their hero die in front of them in real time like this .
KipWell , I was very disappointed in Mr Bender .
AmandaI've never seen it happen so quickly . Mr Bender , you're really .
KipYeah , I'm sorry , but hey , I'm a human being . I will judge you based on the evidence in front of me .
AmandaAnd that's how you know that Kip's opinions are his real , true thoughts , because he is not sugarcoating it for jack bender's benefit because I know he's gonna listen to this he is just saying what he feels , which is tone this shit down jack .
AmandaYeah , you should have done that differently , I agree I felt that I , like I said , looking back on it , I remember thinking that I really liked claire and I still do , like she's adorable , but like I remember , like I dressed up as her for halloween , I thought she was really cool .
Unpacking Claire's Character Development
AmandaAnd now again I think , like my older , more mature selves , like this is not the way , claire , you're more you're more , you see more of yourself and maybe like a danielle yeah and less of a claire .
AmandaVery much , danielle , particularly how she does not answer them when she talks and she's like you guys are all dumb . I will shoot you with arrows . I will bring you back your lost children . I will stare at you with my messy hair , but I will not engage with your ridiculousness .
KipBut oh , when she walked up when Aaron was crying , that was creepy . I was like okay , danielle , like where did she come from ?
AmandaWhy is she there ?
KipYou need to like announce yourself . Maybe a little bit .
TheresaApproach in a gentle way .
KipYeah , not in a , not a silent creepy stare . Yeah , like it's like seemingly aggressive . Perhaps we wear a bell .
AmandaLike a cat Just around her neck , ding , ding , ding .
TheresaNo .
AmandaBut why was she there in the beginning ?
KipWell , okay , so last week she helped them capture Henry . So I wonder if she's just hanging around .
AmandaAnd then she's heard a crying baby . She heard Aaron cry . That's what I mean . She's just like hi , when have you been ?
TheresaShe's just strolling by the beach and she's like Aaron a baby .
KipA baby is crying . I must go to it .
AmandaAlex , get out of our camp . But I'm like , yeah , kate , you , you get you get out of here .
TheresaYou gone get shoot .
KipThat was pretty funny .
AmandaIt was very aggressive .
TheresaNo , but she's . She's a good friend , considering Claire has no friends .
KipNo , she is yeah , other than Charlie and Charlie .
AmandaWhere was Charlie ? I actually liked that because the whole episode I was like oh .
TheresaCharlie's going to come .
AmandaI heard he's got a fever .
KipI wrote that in my other notes .
TheresaJust being like . I'm shocked charlie didn't come in like try to swoop in and save the day . I'm so glad he didn't .
KipI'm glad he didn't , but it also doesn't seem likely that he wouldn't do it . No , I agree . So which leads me to another point is like this was a very like female set , like centric episode . They're like jack and lock were the only real other two men .
KipWell , echo had a scene but , and they were like , all the men were contained to like their storyline and all the women were kind of contained to their own storyline as well , yeah , exactly so I I see what you're saying and I do think that's an interesting point it's very rare to see kate especially involved in a storyline that's not either about jack or sawyer , so that was nice and where she's , she's just following whatever they're doing yeah , yeah .
TheresaLike she's like an integral part of the team for once .
AmandaBut I do find it like , as you said it like kind of annoying . It's like Charlie is up in her business all the time and then something's like actually going wrong .
KipAnd he's like .
AmandaVinay won't do anything , but I mean .
TheresaI think that was a choice . He's like as a production team as well , I agree . So in my mind I made up this kind of like . She told me to stay away , so I'm going to stay away . And he's like emo Charlie , just like hood up just kind of following but like not doing anything , because now he's respecting her boundaries . That's the narrative I wrote .
AmandaHe doesn't know about it , because I don't think he would respect her .
KipI don't think he would either . I he would respect her , I think he's ?
AmandaI don't think he would .
KipEither , I think he's just emo charlie elsewhere down the beach just like having a moment , or he's with saeed .
TheresaYeah , because we didn't see saeed today either , no , these two days . So um a lot to unpack about charlie , even though he wasn't even the end .
AmandaSo yeah , like her stuff is . And then what I really liked about like the storyline with Claire is that like she does kind of come to a lot of it on her own .
KipYeah .
AmandaLike even like when she realizes that Danielle wasn't trying to take her back , she was trying to help her . Like she , danielle doesn't like force that on her .
KipShe just kind of lets her feel what she's feeling and rage against her a bunch , and then lets her come to like that natural , like that was very maternal of danielle , she just sort of like she needs to get it out yeah , let her get it out , let her come to it on her own and she will and she did . And yeah , claire
Emotional Episode Analysis and Character Insights
Kipwas . It was a roller coaster for me , for claire , this episode , because there was so many highs and lows , but then you know , when she did get it , it was very impactful , I felt very meaningful and and um what's the clear actress name again emily deravin emily deravin , like when she wasn't yelling .
AmandaI thought she was really good in this episode , like when she was doing some of the other more softer scenes yeah , I , I did kind of say at one point that I thought that she was not a very good actress in this , but I think you're right , like when I'm thinking of say at one point that I thought that she was not a very good actress in this . But I think you're right , like when I'm thinking of why I said that it was a lot of those like very overly and like even , like you said , when she runs up to libya and she's like are you a shrink ? Like yeah , it's just like that , that aggressiveness , like I understand you're scared that your baby , but it was like I I agree , like on the direction and acting choices of emily de raven and jack bender . I don't think there could have been more of a nuance to this episode yeah like I , I sometimes think that lost .
AmandaThat is kind of like one of the criticism of it .
AmandaLike I have is like it almost feels sometimes like musical theater where , like it's like if they express an emotion they have to like go big like turn it to 11 like there's not a lot for a show that is so well written and so well developed and has a lot of really good actors who are going to go on to win emmys , etc . There is not a subtlety yet . Like they have times , but it's like when people are angry , they're really angry . People are upset , they're really upset , yeah right , when they're like having a fun golf game , they're like really having a fun golf game . It's like they're they really hit your head , hit you over the head with the emotions .
KipSo , and I feel kind of that's what happened with claire today and , and I agree and I think maybe a beacon in this episode was danielle russo um , I think mia furlan furlan is the actress .
KipShe was very good at those sort of more subtle moments . I felt like when um kate's kind of telling her off and they're in the jungle , and or when she pulls the gun on her and she just sort of like walks up to the guy and he says , does this montage or not ? Montage this like monologue of pull the trigger kind of thing .
KipI was like oh , that was chilling , it was so and it was just sad exactly sad , like you said in your your stream , like she's got a very tragic story and you could just see a lot of pain going through this I was like , wow she . She was one of the highlights of the episode , for sure yeah , I agree I liked her a lot too .
AmandaUm , like I said , because we're just kind of going through the flashbacks now , I did not expect to see I I did not realize we saw alex so soon , right , um , love that , love that for us , love that she was trying to help claire yeah , so it's almost like so we're led to believe , or I guess we're .
KipWe are told , with not as many words , that that's danielle's daughter , alex right ? Well , I don't think they say her name , though , do they ? Yeah ?
Amandayeah , danielle does , danielle does , yeah , but they don't , they don't actually talk no , they don't like the hatch or wherever they are yeah and claire never say like she never says declare no , no no , exactly yeah but we , we understand now that that's alex and that's danielle's daughter .
KipIt's interesting to see that she's sort of like rebelling against the people . So as far as Alex knows , as far as we know , she is one of them , but then yet we're seeing this side of her where she doesn't really agree with all the things that they're doing .
TheresaBut she's good . That's what Claire says .
Discussion on Lost Casting and Storylines
TheresaAlso , can we talk about the casting for a second ? Okay , that is Rousseau . They did a good cast .
AmandaThe minute you saw her , there was no doubt in your mind yeah , that's why I don't feel bad like being like , like you said , they left a very strong impression , that that's who that is , but I have also no problem being like this is clearly her daughter .
AmandaExactly they look the same yeah , they did a good job . They're actually pretty good at the casting . I think christian shepherd looks like he could be like the guy who plays christian shepherd . I never know what his name is in real life , but but I feel like he could be Matthew Fox's dad .
KipThey do a good job with those family connections .
AmandaNot with Kate and her mom but those thoughts that I think are good .
KipShe must have taken after her dad who she killed .
TheresaYes , yowza . Wow , it's a dark show sometimes .
AmandaYeah , exactly , oh man yeah and that scene with yeah , I man , yeah . And that scene with , yeah , I agree . Like that scene with russo , like I teared up , like claire at the end of the day , like is fundamentally like a very good person , like , yes , she took that time to kind of say , even though she , yeah , didn't find what she was looking for , didn't like to take that time to like tell russo that , yeah , it was really beautiful . What ?
Kipdid you guys think of the hatch itself Like so ? We saw the hatch in the flashbacks with like full of people and like the baby room was full . Then we see it in present day when it's seemingly abandoned for some reason .
AmandaWhich is only again like what a month prior .
KipNo , yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .
TheresaAnd she was still pregnant . So like what the ?
Kiphell happened . It's weird . And kate finds the glue and the beards and the fake costume , or the fake beards and the costumes .
AmandaYeah , and like the yeah , that was weird that was .
KipThe whole thing is weird .
AmandaLike I remember when it said like for theatrical use or whatever I think one of the bottles , and I was like what is any of what's going on down here real ?
TheresaI know well , that's the and especially because on the bottle it has like the medical symbol on it and I'm like theatrical use and medical don't go together that well .
AmandaThat's like what were they doing ?
TheresaYeah , but , um , I mean , you can kind of put together the obviously like something's not real , yeah , and the guy's voice is very distinct .
AmandaWell , it's , you know , that's who that is .
KipYeah , you do know right .
TheresaWell , yeah , cause , like when you , his voice is just very distinct to me , but they also show him .
KipThey show his face .
TheresaYeah , but not with like all the the fake beard .
AmandaOh yeah .
KipSo yeah , I mean , I think that's intentional , because we see him without the beard on . But yeah , and you hear his voice and then Kate finds the beard and you're like , holy shit , so it's a fake beard . Yeah , mr , I don't think we know his name yet .
TheresaNo , but yeah , mr Gruff voice , mr Gruff voice , I'm a favorite . The thing is , I'm a favorite , I take the bar , that's not good , and that's when I know you , sir . I know that voice . Yeah , it haunts me still .
KipOh yeah , that was a very unsettling scene , but that empty baby room was also very unsettling and like the weird marks on the wall of where those stickers were and stuff .
TheresaYeah , that was weird , and the one booty .
KipThe one booty yeah .
TheresaThat she crocheted .
KipYou're so obsessed with it .
AmandaShe was weird . And then she's like I'm going to save it . Mommy made you this and he's like shoving it in his mouth and it was on the floor . I thought that was cute . It is cute , that's what I mean , though she's very .
KipI love that scene with her and Aaron .
TheresaIt was really sweet .
KipYou didn't like it .
TheresaI didn't why I I don't know . There was something about it that made me uncomfortable .
AmandaIs it that his head is the size of three of her heads ? I find that unsettling as well . That's a big baby , it's a big baby . He's real cute , though he's so cute but that's a big baby , for maybe three weeks .
KipSo what didn't you like about it ? I ?
Theresadon't know . There was something about the way she was like now I know we're supposed to protect each other , take care of each other , take care of each other , like . She just kind of seemed like immature yeah , I agree , immature and like kind of like you know , when you're like kind of obsessed with a thought and when you speak you don't sound like a person , you kind of sound like you're in like a trance , what you know , like I'm trying to think of a good example , but she just kind of sounded like so was it her delivery I think it was the delivery , and I don't know if that's an acting issue or if it's , if it's a writing , a writing issue , but the way that it sounded to me was like now I get it , we're supposed to .
TheresaWhat is it ?
Kiptake care of each other I did this for you .
TheresaLike it just kind of sounded like a different kind of manic , like the creepy kind of like . This is what it is now . This is how it's going to be . I understand everything now . Like that's the vibe that I got oh , interesting , I did not get that .
KipI thought it was very sweet . I thought it was nice to kind of like have her feel this connection to aaron that obviously she's has , but just like remembering kind of how she once again almost lost him and it was like I don't , she doesn't want to go through that . And it was like a reminder of how close she was to losing him , and it was like no , no , I mean , that makes sense .
TheresaI think I'm , I think I'm just unsettled . I think it was , maybe it's the delivery .
KipMaybe , yeah , maybe that's what you didn't like about it . It's possible .
TheresaBecause I think it should be . I agree , Like that's what it should be to me and it's not , so I'm like maybe I just oh , and also Danielle's final creepy message , like when you know what you have to do .
Kipit's like oh yeah , that's because they're like .
AmandaYou know what she's really .
Character Analysis and Plot Discussion
AmandaWe're humanizing her a lot . Let's remind you what Rousseau is like at her core exactly she'll kill you creep , she will kill anybody , she'd trip but a part of me .
KipDo we know yet about all that , or no , you don't know well just what she said about how her , her people that she was stranded on the island with , got sick and she killed them yeah .
AmandaSo I I think that what she's doing is like there's a part of me that's like as she's remembering like all of the stuff she lost , she's kind of being like she's almost having to like convince herself again that like what she's done is right . And so by like being like just so you know this is the right thing you have to do , don't forget , like she's kind of telling herself that a bit too . So I did think it was kind of like a especially a joke that it's like to remind us that she's creepy .
AmandaI think it was also like she's reminding herself like I am not one of them yeah , I I , and , and we all have to do what we have to do , and I know I thought it was I thought it was cute it it's interesting because I guess all that really happened for Claire in this episode in terms of like outcome is that she remembered what happened yeah and then Aaron is just okay . But you know there's not really anything about like that storyline and if it's actually a thing or anything really no , like there really wasn't much in terms of plot development or moving the story forward .
KipI I mean , I guess we we do get the gaps filled in of where claire was from season one , right , because that was a mystery .
AmandaSo now we're kind of told that yeah , but I don't know , like , and maybe this and this is interesting for anyone who's watching it for the first time I'd love to know , because maybe I'm just backfilling , right , but I don't remember . Like , when I'm watching this I'm like , yeah , I don't think anything , that earth shattering , like I think we all knew she was taken by ethan somewhere and then she got out somehow and what happened with ethan is not that surprising , like , obviously it is I think that it was clear they wanted her baby and that's why they took her and not someone else yeah , no , I agree , I think it was surprising to see this .
KipVery like pristine yes , medical , that's true place in the middle of the jungle or this island and kind of what we've seen of the others so far is these like , almost like hillbilly ragged people who like live in the middle of nowhere , yeah and then we find out that those are maybe just costumes and like they have this like state of the art facility . That's super high tech , so I think that was that's true very like , almost like shattering , like kind of this image we have .
KipSo which was like they're not just pitchfork , yeah , fire , wielding exactly child kidnappers exactly , but in terms of like the story moving forward , I don't really feel there was much yeah no , I agree with you yeah , maybe that was part of .
AmandaIt is like , let's just give people a little bit of a what you know , give me some answers , yeah , which is nice , but yeah , and then ask some more questions . Yeah , um yeah , speaking of more questions , we have the . There is still some development with henry gale . So there is still that . We kind of touched upon the john lock thing in the beginning , but we that you know Henry is still there , he's still being held captive , he's still doing his thing .
KipJack takes him to the washroom .
AmandaJack takes him to the washroom , eats possibly a pork chop , we're not sure .
KipAnd a bowl of fruit .
AmandaVery well-balanced meals they're serving there no vegetables though .
KipBut Echo comes to visit him because echo realizes that he's there yeah , he comes , he's chopping his trees down , needs a saw , comes in and notices there's a bed in the armory , so he puts two and two together that someone's down there . I didn't . I'll be honest , I don't quite understand this echo storyline I loved it elaborate .
TheresaOh , I just like that because he's like . He like confesses to what may or may not be another and the thing is like we don't know . In my mind , echo doesn't know if he's ever going to actually get to know what's going on with the others , if he's actually another , if he's not another either way , it's like other by proxy , so he gets to get this stuff off his chest and apologize to someone because he needs to get that off his chest and cut off the like things on his chin see , I took it to mean that he does not , that he believes that henry gale is another and that's why he confessed to him , because he's like , yeah , I'm .
AmandaHe's essentially apologizing to the people of the people he hurt . Yeah right .
KipI did like when henry gale was trying to like question echo and he's just like stop talking . Oh , I loved it . They don't trust you and they're treating you this way because they don't trust you and they don't know what to think of you . It's like , just so matter of fact like I love that , deal with it .
AmandaYeah , exactly that makes sense also .
TheresaDoes anybody else love
Analysis of Henry Gale's Manipulation
Theresathat ? You know he always carries that like huge stick . So he's about to go and he gives the stick to jack . They close the door , he , he says your spiel , then he whips out a knife , this huge knife and he's just like yeah , but I don't get that hair beard thing I think it's symbolic of what , though ? Of his guilt .
AmandaHow , I don't know but there's a deep , thought-provoking analysis .
TheresaYou know it might be a lot , it might be like a religious thing , it might be like his background thing , like we don't , I don't know , but there's two of them , obviously , which symbolizes okay , see , I didn't even put that together each person that he killed do you think he would have grown three if he killed three ?
Kipyes so he's , but he didn't give them to henry , he just showed them .
TheresaYeah , he just chopped them off . What did ?
Amandahe do with them .
TheresaIt's on the ground in my mind they're just in his bed he's gonna wake up and just be like what well his fate . Like henry gale's like what the fuck face at first he looks so scared when he walks like his echoes are very like when he walks into a room . Like you know well , he's intimidating intimidating , he just like casually walks in super quiet and henry looks like he's gonna shit himself .
KipYeah , he's like oh fuck I mean , I , I guess , yeah , I , I suppose I understand that he felt he needed to confess due to his religious nature . That scene really didn't do much for me .
TheresaI love Echo , though that's the problem .
AmandaI just kind of was like when he went in there , I thought that , like that's why I like to think that the reason he did that is because he knows , like he believes , that , um , henry gale is another and a part of that because I feel like echo would know , and so the fact that he didn't like accomplish more in that room with him , like I was like expecting him to like come out , being like yeah , he's another yeah I have no doubt in my mind .
AmandaBut so like to me , like the fact that , like that , nothing profound like that happened . I like to think that him confessing that way is his way of being like , and him being like shut up , don't talk . We all know you're lying like stop nothing you say is helping you . Also , I killed two of your buddies yeah thank you , good day . I'll let you go back to being tortured slowly , he's not really being tortured , though he's just reading a book .
AmandaBecause Jack is . You know what ? Jack will lock him in a room , make him have to pee on a leash and hold him there for God knows how long , but he will not let Saeed torture him .
KipNo .
TheresaNo , Instead he just has to eat a bunch of fruit and mystery gray matter and some rice .
AmandaI thought it was a Salisbury steak .
KipI don't even remember seeing the food . You guys know all this food .
TheresaWe like , food we like to know what they're eating on the island . I'm curious about some of the logistics I understand the fruit bowl , but I don't understand what was with the rice .
KipIt's just funny to me thinking of john locke cutting up all this fruit for henry like taking care of henry I know mom and dad . I mean , dad and dad , here's your book , yeah , okay . So speaking of the book , let's get into the weird mind games going on here oh , master manipulator , oh , that's what it says on the whiteboard . Henry Gale , mr Manipulator .
TheresaMr Manipulator .
KipHe totally is . Yeah , he is a master manipulator . You can just see him going to town doing his thing . It's so good , it's so clear too . It's just not subtle .
AmandaNo , so I thought there was more subtlety to him last episode . But yeah , so he brings him the brothers Karamovsky or whatever , and then he comes back and
Manipulation and Identity in Lost
Amandathey're talking . He's like is it true what you said about Hemingway ? So he's like letting Locke know a couple of things there . He's like letting him know , like I can hear you guys .
KipYeah .
AmandaSo I know the dynamic , yeah right . He's like letting him know , like I can hear you guys . Yeah , so I know the dynamic , yeah right . And then he's like trying to get on his side , but talking about hemingway and how he can relate to hemingway which , by the way , no one should be able to relate to hemingway um , he's a terrible person I think a lot's changed in terms of perception of him since this episode .
AmandaMy perception of ernest hemingway in real time would have been the way it is today . But so his whole like he's like the everyman and I can relate to him because he fought in the Spanish War and he rode with bulls . I'm like no one believes you can do any of that . You can't even get over in a balloon , apparently , which makes no sense . I've never been doing that , you look foolish ridiculous .
AmandaI've never been doing that . You look foolish , ridiculous , um , but that is like kind of his way to be , like you know , like , oh , I'm just the every man .
KipYeah .
AmandaI don't know about this high level thing , this highbrow . Yeah , but oh , do you like ? Who do you see yourself as ?
KipYeah .
AmandaOh , you kind of see yourself as the genius . Well , is the genius ? Well , I don't know because and he like sets up that , like that dichotomy in lock's mind , right , just , are you the genius or are you the person living in the shadow of the genius , as if those are the only two options . Right , and it's like , oh well , if you're the genius , why is that doctor calling the shots ? Right , like it was just there . I guess there was some subtlety to it .
KipBut then just to kind of like hammer that home , I'm like you're such a jerk , like yeah , there was some subtlety to it , but then just to kind of like hammer that home , I'm like you're such a jerk , like yeah , there was like minimal subtlety , but I think I don't think . I think Henry Gale knows he doesn't need subtlety with . John Locke anymore he kind of cracked the code early on that he can pull his strings and push his buttons super easily .
KipSo he doesn't need to be that subtle or that like low-key about it . He can literally just say what you just said , amanda , and he knows it'll drive him crazy , and it does it works again .
AmandaI know , and I'm so torn because I I even while we were talking about it all day and like this whole episode in your stream of consciousness streets , I keep going back and forth . I'm like m , is it in character or out of character that lock would be so easily manipulated ? Because I feel as a whole lock should not be that easily manipulated . But I agree with you guys that when it comes to this very specific thing , it makes sense almost that he would be able to be manipulated I think it makes sense yeah it sucks and it's disappointing , but it makes sense , because whenever it comes to jack , he's just easily manipulated , period .
TheresaIt's like remember when in the last episode when not last episode , the episode before that sawyer managed to manipulate him in like five seconds . That's true , and it was just because , like it was all just jack's on his way up here .
KipThat's true I think it's in character too .
KipI think what we're seeing is a pattern of john lock being easily manipulated and like he's blinded by this , like fantasy of his destiny that he thinks he has , and right now , like and this is that , yeah , ration of that , yeah , and like right now the button is his life and even , like you know , jack uses that against him , being like you know , it's not my fucking button anymore , I really don't give a shit about it , but press it all you want kind of thing , right , I'll buy into it for now . And john's just so blinded by that that he's so easily manipulated by almost everybody else , which is it's like this weird image of this season one , john lock , who you kind of saw as this , like super , almost like a superman , like survivor man type guy , who could take care of everything , and he had all the answers , he knew what he was doing .
KipAnd then throughout season two so far , we're really starting to see those cracks and just see him kind of be a lot more fragile , a lot more , um , sensitive to those types of things .
AmandaSo it's really interesting to see that sort of like rise and fall I agree and yeah , like you're right , I guess like the whole thing is like he's so easily manipulated off island in his flashbacks as well yeah , exactly I think you guys are .
AmandaYeah , he has like tunnel vision on like whatever his focus is and , yeah , right now , his like arch enemy whether he's invents it or not is jack right and like this idea that they're so diametrically opposed on so much . So , yeah , you're right , it does make sense . What I think is sad is that you see lock become so much more on the island in so many ways and it's sad to see that like that's still a big piece of like his .
Episode 15 Review and Rankings
AmandaYeah , you know I don't know flaws or , like you said , weakness or whatever that he can't overcome that , despite the fact this is a guy who can now walk and like hunt , boar and track and throw knives and and he still gets oh , it's weird , you have the doctor , why would you have the doctor in charge ?
Kipand he's like losing it right , yeah yeah , yes and we've seen him lose it like many times I don't know about many , but a few times where he throws shit around . Seems to be his thing when he's upset .
TheresaYeah .
KipThe toolbox , the dishes last time . He really likes to huck shit around when he's not feeling good .
TheresaYeah , when he gets angry , he gets a violente .
KipAll right . Well , I mean , I think that's kind of .
TheresaIt . It , for the episode Is there anything left on the whiteboard that hasn't been read out loud .
AmandaThat needs to be . No , I think we're good .
TheresaProbably not a good idea to knock out a pregnant woman , that's true .
KipTo knock out a pregnant woman .
TheresaWhat did I say ?
KipOh , maybe you said that I .
TheresaI don't know what I said anymore .
KipYeah , no , that's about it . Oh , I did like one other thing I liked when , first of all , I thought it was kind of strange for some reason for John Locke to ask Jack about the long-term plan with Henry Gale , like when they're talking about the shifts and stuff like well , what's the plan ? I just want to know what the long-term plan is . I thought that was a little out of character for Locke . I feel like he would already have the plan , yeah , and . But then also I like how it just was a setup for henry gill to be like just let me out , that was funny like he just like hears whatever they're talking about yeah and wait how didn't , how didn't they know that the walls weren't there ?
Kipwell , yeah , I mean I think this episode they're all kind of I think she's , I think Locke's , just kind of like saying are you good hearing ? Yeah , and then begin .
AmandaOh , okay , yeah Well , teresa , I think that leads us to hearing how everyone did today , and maybe we'll see where Claire in particular was affected .
TheresaIt's not that exciting today . I'm so sorry At number 16 , because we haven't seen him in a long time and he has no chance to move up or down . Michael , negative 830 . Charlie negative 615 . Ana Lucia , negative 230 . Kate negative 5 . Desmond 60 . Walt 240 . Libby 390 . Jack 570.70 . Sawyer 745 , claire 780 , echo 1270 , her top five , jinn 1345 , saeed 1365 , sun 1595 , lock 1645 , and then hur's still at number one with 1710 or 1720 .
KipSorry .
AmandaWhat I find interesting about the two things . It's so funny to me how Charlie's slowly closing the gap on Michael . Yeah , but also just like there's not that many people in the negatives . Yeah , and the gap between them like to go from like 800 something to 16 or to 600 to 200 to 5 , like the characters that suck , really fucking suck on this show like it's always .
TheresaThere's always like an episode or two where , like they just are so terrible yeah , it just really drags them right down and then you don't see them for a while , or they ? Have like very minimal things so like it's impossible for them to move up for a while or they're michael or they're just michael . I don't think I will ever get just michael should be the name of you know what michael might get ? To the negative , to the positives ? I don't think so .
AmandaI don't remember , mathematically impossible I think like I know this isn't a very exact science , but if I had to say anything was exact about this , it would be that Michael is never getting out of the negatives .
TheresaI honestly , I don't remember . I only remember one thing about the future yeah , and what do you think that ?
AmandaWell , actually , never mind , it could go either way .
TheresaOh , no I only remember one thing , and like that's about it .
KipFair enough . Fair enough , all right . One thing , and like that's about it , fair enough , all right . So I will just say this my rankings have not changed . Saeed is still top , charlie is still bottom that's fair I found I don't know about you , but I found when I was doing my rankings this week there just wasn't a whole lot of movement , because no there wasn't anything nothing was really .
TheresaThis sounds terrible .
AmandaNothing really like happened yeah , like everyone was kind of themselves , everything that happened , already happened yeah , you know like we're just kind of learning about what happened , but it's nothing has really like we . We still don't know what's going on with henry gale . We know that claire was really affected by something .
TheresaWe kind of know what it is now , but these rankings , no one moved , like they all went up or not .
KipThey all but the people who were in the episode either went up or down , but they didn't move number wise interesting yeah , okay , all right here it is , let's do our own episode ratings I can start , I would give this a solid 8.3 , along with IMDb .
AmandaI think it makes sense where people kind of ended up on it . It is really cool to get like a very straight answer about where Claire was , because we don't get a lot of straight answers on this show particularly yet . But again , it obviously does raise more questions than answers . In a lot of ways it is really cool . I love the Russo stuff . I like seeing Henry Gale try to get under John's skin . I like all that kind of stuff . So I think overall it's a solid episode .
AmandaLike I said , that kind of higher level thinking that this episode brings out in me in terms of my overall view of the show is that I do think Claire is a lot more immature than I used to think she was and I think that she has a lot of work to do on herself . I do get a little bit worried when she says things like we can take care of each other , when it's like , well , you're supposed to take care of him , but you know , I think some of that shows that she wasn't really ready for this . But she's doing the best she can . She clearly loves him to death and she's been through a lot . So I think that showed us a lot of strength .
AmandaThe character for her and Russo is great and we get kind of that glimpse into the others . Just that set a little one more step closer to seeing what the hell are these people about . And then , like you said , we see this like pristine medical thing . And then all this like fake beards and stuff , like like there is such a level of I don't even know what you say . There's just obviously so much going on here that we have not even scratched the surface on . So that's very interesting as well .
KipAll right Teresa .
TheresaI'm going to give it an eight . I think that's what I went in to this recording thinking . But even before , I knew what IMDB said and I was like , oh okay , close . Similar to what Amanda said , this episode gave you a lot but also asked a lot of questions on top of it . I really liked Russo's part in it . I really liked Echo . Yeah , just , it was a good episode . Not my favorite , but not a bad episode . So I think eight is where I would put it .
KipOkay , I give it a 7.8 . Not overall memorable for me . Russo and sort of these new questions raised about the others , I think we're saving graces for me and a little bit of that . Henry Gale , goodness . Um yeah , overall 7.8 for me Not very memorable .
TheresaThat's fair .
AmandaAll right , Well , thanks for coming and listening to another episode of let's get lost . Please join us again next week when we are discussing the Whole Truth episode 16 .
KipI don't remember what that's about Me , neither .
AmandaWell , I think I won't give away the synopsis now , but I think we might be on to a sun-related episode . So let's see if our queen can regain her throne at the top .
TheresaShe's at number three right now .
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