Let's Get Lost with The Oceanic Three
We're your Oceanic Three: Theresa, Amanda, and Kip. Join us as we get in-depth about our favourite television show - Lost! We talk about everything: The Island, The Survivors, The Tailies, The Others, The Myths, The Theories, and on and on and on, but we also talk about how Lost changed the television landscape when it came out and how it still reverberates to this day.
Most of all, though, we always come back to how Lost is primarily a character-driven show. For every myth and mystery, five incredible character stories were told. They were complex, mysterious, beautiful, and sometimes challenging to watch - but the characters and their interwoven lives brought Lost to a different level unlike anything ever seen on television.
We would love it if you joined us as we get in-depth about all the Losties, what makes them tick, why they do what they do, and ultimately - what they're doing on the Island.
Let's Get Lost with The Oceanic Three
Let's Get Lost 42 - Season 2: S.O.S.
From Rose's secret knowledge of the island's healing powers to an analysis of Jack and Kate's roller-coaster romance, the episode is a treasure trove for fans who still crave more of the "Lost" universe.
Strap in for a debate on the contentious 'filler' concept within "Lost" episodes as we tackle the legendary "caught in a net" scene and whether it served as mere comic relief or something more. The candid discussion meanders through the nuances of character development, including the authenticity of faith healers and spiritual elements that "Lost" introduced. We pay homage to the epic love story of Bernard and Rose, marvelling at the message that love can blossom at any stage of life, and ponder the transformative journey of healing that characters like Locke and Rose undergo.
Closing out the episode, we reflect on Michael's dramatic return to the storyline, the raw emotional connections that "Lost" established, and the lingering questions that keep us hooked. With character rankings and a touch of whimsy, this episode is a must-listen for those who find themselves still yearning for the answers to the island's mysteries. Don't miss our unique insights and passionate discussions that are as unpredictable and engaging as the show itself.
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Kip:Hey everybody, welcome to let's Get Lost. We are back this week. It's me, Kip. I'm here with my co-hosties Amanda. Hi and we have Teresa.
Theresa:Hola.
Kip:Who is Spanish?
Theresa:Just for that one word, just for that one word today.
Kip:We're talking about SOS today, but before we get into that, we have some super cool, exciting news to share. Amanda, tell us about it.
Amanda:Well, next week you're going to get not just your regular dose of let's get lost and and the episode talk that you're used to, but you're gonna get a bonus episode. That is around the fact that we got to interview today taylor morden and ralph ralph apple, who are involved in the creation of the upcoming documentary Getting Lost.
Kip:Yeah, it was super cool. It was so cool, so much fun too.
Amanda:So they were so generous with their time and they sat down with us for a pretty in-depth interview, ranging from talking about the documentary and how it came to be some of their own background, and even indulged us in some Lost-related talks. So I think any fans would be super excited to hear from them and, honestly, just anyone who likes to hear about filmmaking and crowdfunding and passion about anything I think would find something interesting from that conversation.
Kip:Yeah, we had a really good time with Taylor and Ralph. We talked about the documentary, but it was so clear how much they just love Lost too. They're huge fans of Lost. Ralph has done podcasts before about Lost, and Taylor he said it's like his favorite show. He's watched it from the get-go and he's always wanted to make a documentary about it. So it's amazing to see that they've done this cool documentary with awesome guests that they have interviewed, like they've got terry o'quinn, they've got um michael emerson michael emerson, henry ian cusack.
Amanda:They've got damon and carlton I think right, josh holloway, daniel dk just the names that, and those are just some of the bigger ones. They also talk to crew members, the composer.
Kip:They talked to blue shirt background lady yeah, it was like so funny. It's so funny to me because I always remember watching him being like that background extra always is in the blue shirt and they talked to her.
Amanda:It's so cool yeah, it was really really, really cool to hear them talk about that um taylor, in particular, talks about, like his love of loss and it just like felt like looking into a mirror in terms of the level of passion and how it resonated with him. And I have to say that you know, for the fact that we knew this documentary was coming out, obviously we're excited about it. I feel even more excited knowing that, like something that's so important to me is so is in the hands of two individuals and whoever else they have with them. But Taylor and Ralph are huge fans and this documentary to me feels safe in their hands.
Kip:Yeah, I agree. It feels like if there are any two people who are going to be doing a lost documentary, I am so happy it's these two Same. Yeah, it's going to be awesome.
Amanda:So not only are we so excited for the documentary, but we are so excited for you guys to hear our conversation with them, and again, we'll be releasing that next week. So it's not a mistake when you see two episodes coming out.
Kip:Two for one.
Amanda:It's a special thing and we hope you guys enjoy listening to our conversation as much as we enjoyed having it. And again thank you to Taylor and Ralph.
Amanda:Yes, thank you so much to those snaps and claps two pretty standout guys all right, so let's move on to today well, and it's super funny because we're talking about sos and you're gonna hear I won't say what it is, so you get it but sos is actually kind of a a fun connection to our conversation with ralph and taylor. So we're uh excited to talk about sos which, um, I will tell you, was written by stephen maida and leonard dick, directed by eric glanaville.
Amanda:Rose is surprisingly and vem vem oh boy vehemently vehemently, vehemently opposed to b to Bernard's plan to create an SOS signal. Romantic sparks are rekindled between Jack and Kate when they trek into the jungle to propose a trade with the others and somehow step into a 1950s sitcom Wait what I was going to say there's no way.
Amanda:that's what it says, and Locke begins to question his faith in the island. I'm sorry we will talk about it, but did you not get like 1950s sitcom vibes between, like Kate and Jack were trapped in a net? Oh my god, will we kiss when we were?
Kip:trying to get out of it.
Theresa:No not at all.
Kip:That's funny, I get it now.
Amanda:Anyway, we'll talk about it, but it just felt very un-lost-like to me.
Kip:It was a.
Amanda:Yeah, okay, I can't wait to talk about this. Oh God, I liked it.
Kip:All right, so I didn't say I didn't like it.
Amanda:I just said it felt unlost-like.
Kip:Here's some little trivia tidbits. Okay, 7.7 out of 10 on IMDb, all right. 15.68 million viewers that week, a little bit down from last week.
Amanda:I counted two nicknames from sawyer and one of which I think is freaking hilarious oh, there was one that I remember? Is it dr giggles? Yeah, it's dr giggles. That was so good, that's funny.
Kip:And the other uh, he calls bernard norma ray. Oh yeah, what is that? Oh?
Amanda:norma ray. It's a movie and I don't know if it's based on a real person or not but essentially she was like a like sally field played her in the movie and she's like a, like a unionist, like she's like a union she creates, like the first union in like a factory and she's like she's like kind of leading the chart like it was, like it was a good that was a good reference.
Kip:That's pretty funny. Yeah, um, and we're day 63 on the island Holy fuck.
Theresa:So we're getting up there. Yeah, exactly.
Kip:Which is interesting because later in the episode Kate says you know, last week we went, claire and I went to the hatch. I'm like that was last week, jesus Christ.
Theresa:Yeah, no kidding.
Kip:So, anywho, okay, I got two trivia questions for you. Okay, number one. Okay, I got two trivia questions for you. Okay, number one the story of a married couple being together on the plane but separated mid-flight before the crash was originally going to be for a different character, not Rose and Bernard.
Amanda:But who Saeed? Incorrect, mm-hmm. Saeed.
Kip:Incorrect.
Theresa:Walt, Not Walt.
Amanda:No Walt I was going to say is that your sound, or do you think Walt is going to be a child?
Theresa:husband Walt, a child husband, son and Jim.
Kip:No.
Theresa:I thought that was too obvious.
Kip:It was going to be for Kate originally when kate was gonna be the lead and jack was gonna die in the first episode okay, they were gonna have like the person on the other side.
Kip:Her husband would have been yeah, so okay, interesting, so once they changed that they shifted it to rose I would have been compelling. I think this idea that this, like she took, that would have been good, that would have been good yeah, you know, like there, obviously we love everything about lost, but like it, it is interesting to think about what it could have been had they stuck to that original idea of of jack dying midway through the season premiere and kate becoming the lead yeah and like and that would have changed her whole story shifted it to like this kind of super secondary character and not like a more.
Amanda:But again it's just kind of like taught, like that idea of the storytelling and like the nuances to it on this show, because that does seem like a main character vibe. You know, like nowadays it would be like the main characters getting that cool twist.
Kip:Yeah. Not some side characters, not even the opening credits, but they're like no we're gonna give this to rose and bernard and it's gonna be like a subtle bring up sweet thing. Yeah, it's so good. Okay, question two after this episode, rosen. After this episode, rose isn't featured again. Until which episode? What was that walt or what?
Theresa:what that was, what that was, what that was what.
Amanda:Well, I don't know, like it's not the season five one, is it?
Kip:No, no, no, it's before that, okay good Cause.
Amanda:I was like we're not going three seasons without her, are we? No, I don't know that.
Kip:It's not till season three, okay.
Theresa:Episode, so that's like almost a whole season quite some time.
Kip:Holy smokes greatest hits isn't until towards the end of season three. That's insane. That's a long time, yeah, so there we go, that's it, that's all I got for today um let's have your high take well, you know what I have to say my high level takeaway is actually inspired by our conversation with taylor and ralph.
Amanda:Usually it obviously comes from the episode um, and it does in a way, because what I would like to say is that sos, to me, is not an episode that I would normally be like oh, I cannot wait to watch sos. I love rose and bernard and we'll talk about this later. But I wasn't like, oh yeah, sos. In fact I'm like, oh, we got to get through sos to get to those last, that last little bit of the season where everything cool is happening. But in our conversation with ralph and taylor I was reminded even though I know on some level I wouldn't know this that even the worst, the most boring, the most mundane episodes of lost are still going to be the best episodes of television you're probably ever going to see in your lifetime in my opinion and shared with the lost fandom, and that is my high level takeaway today.
Amanda:I know we shit on things. I know we pick it apart. I know we talk about what we don't like. We talk about characters we don't like. We talk about this, but my hatred of kate. I like her still better than I like almost 90 of the characters on other tv shows. I like each episode of this better than almost every tv show. So when we shit on it or we pick things apart, it's part of that love and that attention to detail and that us wanting the best of everything and having watched it all multiple times. But it all comes from that place of. At the end of the day, we love lost okay no, I like it, it's true.
Theresa:Very well done thank you okay now it's time for Teresa's Dream of Consciousness also, am I supposed to always add also at the end of your song?
Theresa:yes okay, just checking also. Also, alright, sos, oh, I love Rhodes and Bernard. They're just so sweet. It's nice to see what the tailies feel. Seeing how everything else is on this side, I can see why Bernard would feel like the losties, or the fronties, or whatever we call them, have given up. The tailies fought to survive and the fronties are essentially just living.
Theresa:Oh, john, just one track, minded on what you saw. I get it, but hit those damn buttons. It's annoying, holy crap. Jack just rips off his bandage. Yowza Jack buttons. It's annoying, holy crap. Jack just rips off his bandage. Yowza jack.
Theresa:What'll it cost them? Oh, whoops, I forgot about walt. Henry is creepy af. I'm glad jack is still thinking about getting walt back. I wonder what happened to michael. Okay, let's see whose flashback. This is rosen bernard. Bernard is right, you just rock the car out back and forth or just push. I guess. Whatever Is this how they met?
Theresa:Little cuties, my God, little freaking cuties. What's a Darmelar? What's Bernard's idea? He seems super keen. Sorry, why does Ana Lucia have to stay with Fenry? That guy makes sure that guy in the lock room stays there.
Theresa:Wait, what are Kate and Sawyer doing clamming? Why is Kate invited and not the former cop. Why do we need Jack Rose? I'm so confused. Oh, I see awkward marital things. Very interesting to see them fight over signal sign situation Seems like such a non-issue. What's the sign anyway? Don't you just build it there? Don't you just build it and leave it there? Oh my god, is this their first date? Oh wait, something's gonna happen. These cuties Wait, I'm sorry what.
Theresa:She's dying. What a way to tell someone when they propose to you why not sooner? Oh man, they're so sweet though he's sure he wants to marry her still. How cute, even though this is also very sad, you know, I still don't know what Echo and Charlie are up to. Oh, they're building a church. People are saved in different ways indeed. Echo and he's so wise. Oh geez, John, give it up, he's definitely spiraling. What's Ana Lucia doing? Okay, john, seriously, give it up, he's definitely spiraling. What's Ana Lucia doing? Okay, john, seriously, you're spiraling. You need to calm down. I bet you. This motherfucker is smiling, and so he is Fantastic.
Theresa:Henry Fenry, what are we building exactly? Oh, like letters. You want to build a literal sign with letters. That seems like a lot of work, dragging rocks a mile and a half back and forth. Their honeymoon was in Australia. I guess they haven't been married that long.
Theresa:Oh my god, a $10,000 donation to this healer that's a lot of money. This has got to be hard. She's made her peace with dying, but he hasn't. He wants to heal her so badly. It's so sad.
Theresa:I'm confused as to why we have a Rose and Bernard episode, as cute as they are, though. Oh, so their issues pre-crash are similar to post-crash. They don't agree on him doing these things and trying to fix things. Wait. So the healer healed her. You know, jack is such an asshole sometimes. To be honest, I don't think Kate would have fallen for the doll on the ground trap. This is just to put them in close quarters. It's so weird that they're physically standing in a net. Jack, do you think you're going to shoot yourselves down? Why are your faces so close like this, like your lips are almost touching? For God's sake, this is such a weird scene. Oh, and he shot them down, and then they broke their legs, but of course, nope, it's more awkward. Touching, oh, bernard, and now it's just down to gin, just gin, and you're yelling at him.
Theresa:Sad, rose is really the best. She's funny. What does Rose know that we don't know, but that Locke knows. Why would it take that long? I don't understand. Oh my God, look at all those crutches. Is this where is this why Locke was trying to go into the outback for this geological magnetic energy? Okay, rose, there's a lot of flaws to this. He thinks you're fixed and then you're going to go and then you're gonna get even more sick and die. Jack is gonna fixate on why he wasn't told, isn't he? And I called it Shocker, maybe more surprised about another hatch than that she didn't tell you right away.
Theresa:Just saying I think one of the most unbelievable parts of this scene is of this rain scene right now is that it's crazy raining and no one has wiped their eyes in the slightest. Is of this rain scene right now is that it's crazy raining and no one has wiped their eyes in the slightest. Bernard is still going all on his own. How did he hollow those super big rocks? Oh, truth time. Oh, the island healed her. The island's energies healed her. Oh, I see, when she met Locke he was in a wheelchair and that's why they both know, but just the two of them know.
Theresa:Rosenberger is so cute, but it's still a little selfish when he thinks to stay, I feel like the sign is not big enough. To be honest, why does it look romantic right now with Locke and Ana Lucia? What's with this music? Oh, okay, so Charlie and Echo work into the night, all right, everyone's getting a happy montage, which means something awful is about to happen. I mean, I will say the amount of times that they're soaked through, but don't catch a cold. Something must be going on with this island. Oh man, I forgot. Kate kissed Jack. You'd think they were going to again, with the way they were standing in a net. Are you going to kiss again? Nope, of course not, because we hear noises in the woods. I would never go with him, absolutely not. What's coming? Oh, it's Michael. Forgot about him, is?
Theresa:he okay, laughing.
Amanda:Okay, I have many things. I try to keep them straight in my head. First of all, oh man, I've already forgotten some. Okay, first of all, I don't think Anna Lucia had to stay behind necessarily to watch Fenry. I think it was to watch Locke and Fenry.
Theresa:Oh, gotcha, gotcha.
Amanda:I think it was like yes, he's locked up.
Kip:I think they were more concerned about what Locke would do if If he was there, if he was left alone with Fenry, okay, fair enough Fair enough.
Theresa:Secondly Fair enough.
Amanda:Secondly, rose and Bernard also was confused as to why they were getting their own flashback. Not mad about it, but just like okay, weird time, super cute. We're supposed to not like think like we're supposed to be surprised that they met like a year ago, right.
Kip:I think so. It's so cute, yeah, so cute, yeah. Like clearly, prior to this, we're supposed to believe they've been together forever.
Amanda:Like 30 years. It's been a year. I think that's just the assumption. You guys don't think that net thing is like a 50s sitcom.
Theresa:You don't think that would happen on Gilligan's. Island. I never watched Gilligan's Island. I think that's why I don't get it.
Amanda:Or like Ginger.
Kip:No, I get the idea that being caught in a net is like this, like silly sort of accidental moment, very sitcom-y.
Amanda:Yeah.
Kip:Which I think is hilarious because they bring it up throughout the rest of the series now, where Kate and Jack say they got caught in a net and Sawyer thinks that they boned and he's like, oh sure, that's what they're calling it caught in a net. Yeah, meanwhile, like that is literally what it is. So it's like kind of like this funny, like throwback for the rest of the series. But yeah, it is like this silly little sort of contraption to spend some time.
Kip:I mean that's the thing they have to like do something with these.
Amanda:These like lead-up episodes yeah, no, I agree, but I just thought that was kind of there's a million ways. Like they, they could just be sitting across from the fire like they were having an awkward conversation too Like. To me that's as effective and less gimmicky than being like we're in a net.
Theresa:It just didn't make any sense.
Kip:I don't know, I thought it was fine.
Theresa:I just I just don't believe that she would.
Kip:I liked that, Jack shot it and she missed it Because she was all like. I've been hunting for years, but Jack's a surgeon.
Amanda:He's very precise. Yeah, exactly I felt like he would. I read somewhere someone wrote at some point on one of the forums about this scene being like what was one of the most ridiculous or unrealistic things. And someone wrote when Jack was able to shoot the rope coming out of the net and I was like I don't know, I actually gotta believe it like he's got, like a steady attention to detail, like all these things that would make him a good surgeon.
Amanda:Probably would make him a good shot, I don't know I could see it I like it.
Kip:I like that part too yeah, so I I kind of agree with you, though, theresesa, about I don't think kate would necessarily fall for the doll.
Kip:No, I don't think she's like literally like, like she said, last week they went to the woods with russo and russo has all these traps. She's kind of like gotten into russo's mind a little bit, yeah, but oh well, oh well, it's one of those up these, I suppose. Okay, so what do you want to talk about first? Like okay, so you're kind of confused about the timing of a rosa bernard episode, yeah how come?
Amanda:why do we think? Now is it just like a filler episode?
Kip:yeah, so apparently they plan to give them a flashback episode, them being the producers in season three okay and then they just needed some I guess some filler for this this season.
Amanda:So they just moved it up and they wanted a bit of a buffer before sort of these final four episodes there's only four left after this one and it is a bit of a palate cleanser for sure in terms of where you get something sweet exactly and they are like don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't want to, I was hungry for a rose and bernard flashback, I was just surprised at where it was and I think this like obsession with getting off the island.
Amanda:I I think that makes sense, like bernard's little, because I've read also some on some of the things. It's so funny because like sometimes on these, like these, like facebook groups and stuff, people will post stuff and then you don't really think about it too much and then like as we're re-watching, I'm like oh yeah, that's what they were talking about. So like this whole bernard sign thing and as much as some people were like it's, it's ridiculous and it kind of comes out of nowhere, but like I don't know if I thought that my wife was dying and only had a year left.
Amanda:I probably and I didn't know what we know at the end I'd probably be like, hey, can we get off this freaking island? So I can spend time with my wife he.
Kip:He doesn't think she's dying, though he thinks she's healed because she told him the healer healed her so then he just wants, so he just wants off, just to spend time with his healed wife essentially. Oh see, I think it would make more sense the other way but like I also kind of I didn't mind the build-up in terms of like him saying, yeah, like your certain groceries, like you just got back from the supermarket, you're, you know, you, you have a shower and all these things like his little speech there isn't wrong.
Kip:No, it's totally not. Why wouldn't people seemingly want to get off? The sign thing is like I don't think it's a horrible idea, it's just I don't know. There's the the sense amongst the survivors that clearly something bigger is going on. There's probably a reason they haven't been spotted yet. I if this was anywhere else and it was a week into it, sure SOS maybe yeah but 60 odd days. What are we? 63 days later.
Amanda:I'm not sure that's the problem no well exactly but they also didn't attack it that way, right, like so that that's kind of where I feel bad for Bernard, because like look, he he had a really shitty time. Like, honestly, bernard could have gone one of two ways. Like he could show up after his exceptionally difficult, challenging time with the tailies and be like this is freaking paradise. I'm sitting here and eating as much mango and dharma larmas as I want, or he could do what he did, which?
Amanda:is say you guys, this place fucking sucks. Can we get off of this island please? And why aren't we trying? Harder and he obviously leaned into that. So I actually think that like he could have been worse and just been like this is great, I'm not gonna do anything and the fact that he's trying- yeah, it's commendable because we do see even later in later seasons.
Kip:There's an episode where claire tries with the pigeon thing I don't know if you remember that where she tries to strap an SOS message to a pigeon or a seagull or something Right, so like it does come back, but it rose. I think she should have been more upfront with him early on about her being healed. Yeah, the island healing her.
Amanda:Yeah, Cause I. I think that she was kind of unfair to him. Yeah, I agree agree, I a I think they kind of all were, to be honest, like I think that like the impression I get left off or get left with or I think I would get left with if I was bernard, is that, like everyone think is either lazy and doesn't want to do the work or they think I'm an idiot yeah, and it's like it's not like you said, yeah, they do kind of think he's an idiot because they are like they have all this information and they've been like working together and they all know that like clearly something's going on here, right, yeah, but like bernard doesn't necessarily like maybe he could glean a little bit, but like he's obviously just excited.
Amanda:I also don't think having a project is all that terrible of an idea.
Kip:No, like, like. Instead of just being like, you're at an all-inclusive, you know something to do isn't a bad thing well, exactly it keeps them physical.
Amanda:It keeps their mental. Yeah, so I don't know. I thought everyone was a little bit unfair and I agree, like if rose had just been like, dude, don't do this because, like, I'll die if we leave. Yeah, instead of it's a stupid idea, you're giving them false hope.
Kip:Blah, blah, blah and you're just a dentist, yeah that was mean that was me that was uncalled for well, it was sort of like a I I appreciated bernard being like. Well, why do we need to talk to jack like? He's a doctor and her rebuttal being like you're a dentist, but but it's like yeah, but Jack's not here, so if he was here, fine, we could get his opinion.
Amanda:But he's doing his own thing.
Kip:Yeah.
Amanda:We can do our own thing.
Kip:So just because I'm a dentist doesn't mean that I can't also have an opinion on this. I thought it was funny when he goes to Echo and Charlie and just says, like can I use some of this wood? This would be super helpful.
Theresa:No, Just outright no.
Kip:That's what I love about Echo, though he's so just like plain.
Theresa:And then for Bernard to be like I preferred it when you used to hit people with sticks.
Amanda:Yeah they were sick, that little like.
Kip:That was funny.
Amanda:Knowing each other, like from their past life, Exactly.
Kip:You forget that it's only him there. There's only four of them left, Like him, Ana Lucia, Libby and oh, my God, you're right. Echo right.
Amanda:I think of why I keep getting confused about this idea that he doesn't know, that he was so excited to get off the island because he doesn't know or he thinks she's dying is because of certain things.
Amanda:Like that Like, yeah, this idea, like some of their conversations even suggest that like, like when she's like you're just giving them false hope and he like gets offended by that kind of leans into that idea of like oh, he gave her false hope by like taking her to this like healer, that didn't work and stuff like that. So I kind of feel like a lot of the animosity between them could be read that way and I find it kind of confusing because you're right, like there is that scene where she tells him and he believes and whatever. But I almost feel like it's played partially as like I don't trust you and I want to get us off of here because you're sick still. Like I feel like there's like some urgency in that way it does seem like that could be a reason right which is it's a little confusing than when we're led to believe that he thinks she was healed.
Amanda:Yeah.
Kip:So what about that healer in Australia? Like I forget Isaac, I think his name was. It was kind of neat to hear him talk about energies and like there's this confluence of energies in certain areas.
Amanda:It was like he was talking about the island when he said this isn't the right spot. Yeah, Look, we're probably going to lose some friends and we're probably going to lose a few followers.
Kip:No, I think you're going to be surprised at what I'm about to say here. Oh my God.
Amanda:I think that's legit.
Kip:That there are magnetic energies that can heal people and that they can heal people. Okay.
Amanda:To some degree. Maybe not Isaac sitting in a room full of crutches energy, but like. How is it that different than like?
Kip:chemotherapy and radiation. I can't answer. I have literally no idea how any of that works.
Amanda:Like I'm not saying, like I'm not a doctor no, or a dentist, I'm not Jack or Bernard, I'm not a doctor or a dentist. But like you can't, like I'm not saying like hold a crystal and you will not die of cancer.
Kip:But I'm saying that, like, to some degree there has to be some legitimacy to this because we are healed with energy. But are there giant magnetic, energetic? Well, probably not energetical, energetic, energetic energetical forces energized theresa. How do I say this?
Theresa:properly.
Amanda:I don't know, I don't know what you're trying to say, like energized, I think like these.
Kip:Are there electromagnetic?
Theresa:sure I don't know actually what are we going for, like a spot.
Kip:Are there spots in the world where there's, just like this, confluence of magnetic energy that can like be collected like that?
Amanda:I honestly have no idea why you should know we harness gas, we harness hydroelectricity, we harness the sun's energy. I'm just saying, look again.
Kip:We're probably gonna lose we got two poles, we got a north, we got a south there's shit happening between are you saying there's central poles?
Amanda:I don't know what I'm saying.
Amanda:I'm just saying that before, like the amanda of your, if you will, oh my god would have been like that's bullshit but the amanda of yay but the amanda of yay is like I don't know how is it really like fine, like maybe that doesn't exist, but this idea that there's energy and there's this and that it heals like the sun's energy damages us and chemo radiation also damages us, but like in a way that also heals us to some degree, I don't know. I'm just saying like we don't know everything and like everything is like a source of energy, right, like matter, and we have matter and we have energy and we also.
Kip:I'm just saying I don't know well you know, I'm a firm believer in the multiverse theory correct, I'm down for the energies so I assume there's some sort of connection to the energy, confluence of energy and different universes. I'll tie those together and maybe those, those areas, are potential pathways to the other universes well, exactly, there could be side effects like healing a good side effect that's what I mean. Like, yeah, like alternate effects, yeah, like, maybe you get healed, maybe some people don't, though well, and that's the thing it's like.
Amanda:Maybe some people come to the island and something bad happens and that didn't.
Kip:I don't know I like this new path we're on, but like we have two individuals for better or worse.
Amanda:We have an individual who's telling us she's healed, and I fully believe her when she says that she knows she's healed because she can feel it. I truly believe that that people can feel like once they are sick. Maybe you can't tell if you're sick, if you've never know what that feeling is, but I fully believe that if you have been sick and then you aren't sick anymore, you would know what that feels like Totally fair, and we know what happened with Locke.
Kip:We know Locke, so okay, this is the first time they outrightly like explicitly, say that the island has healed them. Right. Correct Like verbalized it Cause, like Rose says it, to lock on the beach when locks having his sulky moment.
Amanda:Love that scene, by the way.
Kip:And then she literally further explains it to Bernard. So, like I think that's the first time that, like we've been led to believe that people are healed on the island, but that's the first time it's actually verbalized.
Amanda:Exactly, and so a big question that's going to come up, and you know the people, you know that the second, this episode aired, the second, someone and by someone I mean 10 000 people went to a forum and said, if the island heals people, how did did Boone die? How did Shannon die?
Kip:Like you know, is that what they said.
Amanda:Uh, of course.
Theresa:And that exact voice.
Amanda:Fucking keyboard. Warriors were like if people are healed.
Kip:How are they dying? People like to to get petty like that. And it's different, but it is different.
Amanda:I don't even think we need to dignify that, we don't have to, but I just want to say you just know that happened after, because I'm just thinking about the impression I was left with at the end of this episode and it was obviously cheers of intense emotion, and you know that other people are like man.
Theresa:That can't be possible because Boone died and it's like fuck right off, just fuck right off, and Shannon and the. Marshall.
Amanda:Everybody's just dying on the island except for walking Rose and it's like okay.
Theresa:I really hope that's the voice that they use.
Amanda:That is the voice of the people oh my god, I had that beautiful moment and I was like I just know that there was people out there who were like this can't be possible, because Boone and Shannon are dead and the Marshall's dead. I had that beautiful moment and then I was like I just know that there was some people out there who were like, just like, this can't be possible, because Boone and Shannon are dead and the Marshall's dead and the guy blew up with dynamite or whatever. Right, but like it's just this idea, like so obviously there's more at play, is all.
Amanda:I'm saying is like yeah, yes, people are dying. Yes, people are being healed. That's how all science and faith works like it doesn't work.
Kip:It's never in either, or, and I think loss loves to hit us over the head with the idea of black and white, but what's interesting about it is that it's never black and white. There's like the entire gray area in the middle.
Amanda:Yeah, so that's what we're seeing there so I mean, we've been all over the place, as we always are, but the flashbacks, like I kind of said, when you in your stream of consciousness, teresa, like I again, it's so hard when you know the whole story, but I'm trying to put myself back in that first sos, watching shoes and that feeling like I do remember being like, oh, they're cute.
Amanda:I thought they were like 30 plus years, kids, grandkids at home, the connection, the fact that she's like oh, I can, I know he's alive, like all this stuff like I'm sorry, but the fact that these two individuals met like a year, maybe a bit more than a year ago or around a year ago yeah, like it's got to be a little bit more than a year because they're in australia.
Kip:If we work backwards their honeymoon, well, maybe not, because he proposes and he says they've only been together six months yeah, five months, five months and we don't know how soon after they got married.
Amanda:So yeah, you're right, it probably is only about a year I'd say so, yeah, and that connection and the fact that, like, when he's proposing, he's like, like I've been a bachelor for 56 years. It's this idea that, like for like I'm sorry, like this is my other high level takeaway you can find love at any time.
Kip:Anytime. Why are you looking directly at me while you say that?
Theresa:I'm looking at his marriage.
Amanda:So he's probably good. I think you look in the mirror.
Kip:I'm just saying like isn't that a nice idea?
Amanda:that's a love I was just like looking at rose and bernard and being like, oh, they had to have been married for 30 years, or even this idea that it's like their second marriage or whatever.
Kip:Like, like bernard is telling us been alone that he did not love a human like he wanted.
Amanda:That then he thought it wasn't going to happen. And then he met rose at 56 years of age and fell madly in love to with her, to the point that they're like so connected that they can tell that the other is alive. Like are you kidding me? That's fucking beautiful it is beautiful.
Kip:Did we know what city they met in? What city was that?
Amanda:I have no idea. I don't know if they were on a vacation to ni Falls.
Kip:I think they were on a vacation. I was just thinking it's a very Canadian way to meet someone Helping them push themselves out of the snow.
Amanda:Maybe they're also Canadian. Oh man, it would be so nice to have some nice Canadians, nice.
Kip:Canadians on Lost for once. Not just killers and evil people.
Amanda:You guys talk amongst yourselves. I'm going to look up. If it tells us where Bernard and Rose are from, a look at it.
Kip:It tells us where bernard and rose are from. Yeah, if not, we're going to just assume it. Yeah, we're going to say they're canadian. Oh no, bernard's from la, we know that oh right later so, but there's no snow in la, so where were they new? York you think new york? Maybe I feel like she says something about it oh, in the in the season, in the premiere she says something like I've heard.
Theresa:Sounds like that in brooklyn when they first hear the smoke monster so she's from new york I guess, I mean, things can change I mean it explains why she leaves the snow do they get that much snow in new york city?
Amanda:yeah, they can oh, wow um, I think the difference this is just totally. Yeah, they're from the Bronx, New York.
Theresa:Oh, called it.
Amanda:Their last name is Nadler. Nadler, I'm not sure.
Kip:Nadler.
Amanda:Yeah, it doesn't really. They only have the one centric episode. Sorry, spoiler alert. So get your Rosen-B.
Kip:Bernard, fix in now. But they are featured not in a centric but they do come back.
Amanda:Oh yeah, yeah, but this is their only like those are the only times you can get flashbacks. True, anyway, anyway. So that's fine, they're from the Bronx. But the little point on the snow thing is, I think, the difference for places like Connecticut, new York, those places, massachusetts and stuff that get snow. They get it for like a lot less period of time.
Kip:They get like big dumps and I think it's like December and January.
Amanda:Like it's not this November to fucking March 20th shit that we're dealing with.
Kip:It's still so cold. It's so cold. When are we going to get spring? I?
Amanda:had to wear gloves and earmuffs. It's march 20th today. It's the first day of spring, or something close to that minus like 11 or 12 today yeah, it's unpleasant.
Kip:It was like minus 20 last night.
Amanda:Like guys, please, that's crap, help us but uh, that was a cute little way to meet and, yeah, like that little glimpse into their lives yeah, like I had a few notes here but like it kind of answered them.
Kip:Like the energy. Do we think it's legit that kind of stuff amanda does? What did isaac see? And also, doesn't he look like patrick stewart?
Theresa:are you saying that just because he's bald?
Kip:I. It looked like patrick stewart when he first came in. You don't think so?
Amanda:I don't remember, I don't know. I will say this based on this energy thing again, I do believe that it is possible that energy could heal if it was the right kind of energy. What I like about Isaac is that, as much as he's like, this is a thing like these are kind of like moments where they meet these kind of you know, I don't know healers, whatever you want to call them, those kind of like off brand, off brand, helping you know practices or whatever.
Theresa:Oh yeah, oh yeah oh, I can see it. Yeah, I can see it now.
Kip:What's the actor's name? Patrick Stewart Wayne Pagram.
Amanda:Wayne Pagram looks exactly like Patrick Stewart from like a first glance. Yeah, 100%. I thought it was just a spiritual healer, patrick.
Kip:Stewart Wayne Pagram. Wayne Pagram looks exactly like Patrick Stewart from like a first glance. Yeah, I see that.
Theresa:I thought it was just because he was bald.
Kip:He's a spiritual healer and a masseur.
Theresa:In real life.
Kip:No in the show.
Amanda:Oh, and a masseur he probably masseurs your legs back to life.
Kip:It says he's a spiritual healer and a masseur.
Amanda:He massages, he doesn't masseur your legs, and his name is isaac of ularu yeah okay, I do wonder if that's part of what lock was gonna go do in the outback?
Amanda:oh, I wonder yeah, that was another thing I was gonna mention. Um, yes, this idea of faith healers and things like that in this show. What I like is so we have I can't remember if there's anything beyond this but we have isaac the faith healer, we have the psychic yeah, claire psychic and what I like about it is, even though, like there's this kind of like energy vibe to them, that they're kind of bogus both times they're like don't help the person yeah, yeah and say like I can't help you like they're not just like so.
Amanda:like there is a legitimacy to that too. Like he's saying like I'm not saying you can't be helped, I'm saying I can't help you. Like they're not just like so, like there is a legitimacy to that too. Like he's saying like I'm not saying you can't be helped, I'm saying I can't help you, right.
Kip:Yeah, that's a good point. Actually, like it's interesting that with the times we see those pseudo people they don't actually help.
Amanda:No and like and. But they're upfront about, front about it. Like I know in the psychic gets a little convoluted at one point. But like originally. He's like I can't, you know, right and same with this. He's like I can't help you, like I'll give you your money back, and stuff like. So I feel like they all the producers, also want us to believe that they're actually, that there's a possibility to this being legitimate. Yeah, I could see that, yeah because if not, they would just take their money and be like oh, you're healed.
Kip:And then like fuck off, she would he would have just done his little touchy face. Thing and said okay, G to J.
Amanda:You'll find out when you go back the 15 hours to find out you still have cancer.
Kip:And then you're gone and not my problem anymore.
Amanda:I thought it was. I think you are supposed to buy into it, right?
Kip:Okay, let's talk about John Locke.
Theresa:Oh my god.
Kip:The downward spiral begins or continues.
Theresa:Oh, poor John lock, oh, my god, the downward spiral.
Kip:oh, johnny johnny, johnny johnny, oh johnny poor john man, you know, you just start to feel bad for the guy also fuck fennery, and that little smile and I watch this one too.
Amanda:That we don't, we often don't, but, um, as it's like scanning up his body.
Kip:Yeah, it's like from the trees is like oh he's gonna have a little fucking smirk and I'm like oh he sure is, and it's just so good yeah, no, he knows that also could have been like gimmicky but then like, what is he doing? Like is he purposely just fucking with him? Yes, I think so you just think it's just malicious at this point oh, I think he's like, I think.
Amanda:Okay, this is what I like to think and I know we'll get more of a feeling, but right now, as I watch this real time.
Amanda:I look at that and I'm like I feel like he knows lock is like could be detrimental to him and that he could be a problem for him and he's fucking with him in a way that he knows will like distract him. Like he knows like locks made it very clear, like what he he's about and so the his like I feel like fennery has like a three-part plan here like infiltrate and then like divide and then like conquer, you know. So like the first bit was to like put jack and lock at incomplete yeah, oh, and did he ever win like he did that today?
Amanda:like uh, are you gonna get that? Or I don't remember what he said today exactly well, I okay that was annoying, though like it was super annoying pay attention, please.
Kip:You're sitting right.
Amanda:You're the one who wants it exactly like, so like, but they're clearly like not getting along well, you know. And now it's like to make lock feel crazy about the thing that you know, and now it's like to make lock feel crazy about the thing that gave him purpose.
Kip:They gave him purpose and so he's like fucking with him big time hardcore. I just like. But I did also, tracy, I agreed in your stream. What is annalise doing? What was she doing?
Theresa:she's like mechanicing yeah, she's like cranking. What did she?
Kip:take apart? I'd like to know. But also I appreciated just sort of like the for once, like this common sense statement. It's like we don't open the door because we don't have a gun, but if you want to talk to him, talk to him yeah, 100 like. It's like. Oh, that's so just like refreshing for once on lost about her. Yeah, for once on lost, just to get this like common sense approach yeah, and like he's like.
Amanda:Okay, I guess I can do that. And and this is another thing I like about annalicia, like and again like I know I make grandiose statements about the characters, but like it's kind of just how my brain works, um, but also it's funny. Um, annalicia don't like, but I do like that piece of her, like she could like. We've seen some hot shoddy type moments from her and so she could be like we don't need a gun.
Kip:Well, I got you got this or whatever, yeah but she doesn't do that.
Amanda:She's like no gun, no entry. Talk to him.
Kip:If you want, I'm sitting here just spinning my like whatever bike or whatever it was like.
Theresa:Maybe she's fixing the washing machine oh, or the, or the spin bike oh, that's, no one's used that in a while.
Kip:I did get bike for some reason, I don't know yeah, I think it was bike that makes sense. What was that? But yeah, no, it was a good moment. And lock, though, just drove him crazy.
Amanda:Drives me crazy how he falls for it every time oh, and I'm sorry, but like getting out of this fucking manic attempts to recreate the drawing oh my gosh like, like that, like terry o'quinn, phenomenal actor, very well written, but like that part just felt like again like out of like a bad high school play, like oh no, oh sorry, the line is over here, like and like it's like attempts to recreate it. I'm like I just don't think lock would be.
Kip:I don't think he'd be sitting there obsessing over each like where each thing was. What I think he'd be doing is obsessing over trying to get that thing down again to be able to see it Agreed, not trying to recreate this drawing, or like when he does eventually go to talk to Fenry. Yeah.
Amanda:And then that to me, like I feel like he'd be more maniacal about that, like yeah, yeah, either recreating the circumstances or getting more info out of henry, but I don't think he would be like like again it had like that feel of like oh no, no, like it was over, it was like it was just silly, like well then, like he like comes to him at the end after he went back to the beach to like get some fresh air or whatever.
Kip:And I'm done with the hatch. He says to rose then, rose is like no, you love that hatch.
Amanda:You love that hatch if we were on married inanimate objects or whatever that tlc show oh my god, that theresa watches.
Kip:I don't watch it. You always show us clips.
Theresa:You love watching people marry the eiffel tower the eiffel tower is very polyamorous I just get clips on facebook and then I share them.
Amanda:Okay, I don't seek these out I don't know, they come to you for a reason it does not lie but yeah, I thought that was a little bit out of character, like he, I that's going to fenry and like essentially begging him to like give him info.
Kip:I felt was like but I kind of wonder though, like for these episodes where this is a Rose Bernard episode. So is it too much to ask? Are we asking too much for these main characters, jack Locke, kate Sawyer, to be completely in character when they're just getting like B roll or I shouldn't say B roll, b side stories, or just a few minutes of the whole episode? You know, like, are we asking too much, like, or is it okay also that they are not always in character, because I guess people do kind of go back and forth sometimes?
Theresa:yeah.
Kip:I think that's fair.
Amanda:I mean they do right, and we talked a little bit about that with Ralph and Taylor today too Like about this idea that you know, you can't really pick apart a character episode by episode, like we can a bit more because we have that whole arc, but, like you know, episode by episode, like, yeah, they're not going to always do exactly what and that is what makes them more three-dimensional, right, yeah, and I think it also really like we've talked about this before but how, if this was on streaming, you'd get the 10 episode dump.
Kip:I think this allows us to get a little bit more three-dimensional, to have these moments where they're not necessarily. This isn't the crazed john lock that we we know right. We get to see this other side of him where he's just a little bit kind of like depressed he's just kind of like, oh, I'm having a really shitty day yeah, I didn't, I didn't mind.
Amanda:Like I said, it's just the one, those scenes of like his like overacting, of like hi carumba, like I honestly thought he was gonna say that at one point.
Theresa:Oh my god, like a Ay caramba, like a thought bubble, eureka, like his like hair going wild.
Amanda:You know what I mean. Like something like that, like that part just felt a little phony, but like the idea that he would struggle and this idea that he's so obsessed with, like whether this happened or not, like I like that makes sense and like not wanting and wanting to give up and stuff, like I think.
Kip:So change, change a pace here. Did you think that they were going to get to speak to the others by going to the line Jack and Kate? Do you think they were going to? Did you think the others were going to come?
Amanda:I did.
Theresa:I didn't I did.
Amanda:I did. I did because I didn't think they'd get what they wanted from them, but I thought that it might be. But then you know, now that I think about it, knowing that they like kind of abandoned that that hatch post, like the medical one that Claire and Kate and Danielle Russo discovered, Last week, I was kind of like oh yeah, I guess, when you think about it that way, like where are they exactly?
Amanda:and so this is what pisses me off about this episode, though because kate goes with, like this, the kate jack stuff I actually find more infuriating than the lock stuff, because he comes to get kate and then he's like I want you to come with me. And then they're walking through the fucking forest and she's like thanks like I'm paraphrasing, thanks for choosing me, and he's like I don't want you here. Like essentially again I'm paraphrasing and he's like no, I only brought you. Like how does he say it exactly?
Kip:again. I don't know.
Amanda:There's like a conversation they have where, like she's essentially like thanks for asking me or like thanks for choosing me over Sawyer and he's just like I didn't oh, yeah, you what?
Theresa:yeah, yeah, it's bad. They didn't want you.
Amanda:They had you and didn't want you yeah, they're like, he's like I brought you because oh because they didn't want you.
Amanda:The others didn't want you yeah, like, I'm like but then right away he says well, they didn't want me either but like, just the idea of like, what like, just say like cool, like things for like I don't know, just yeah, yeah like and that that's why I think she apologized for the kiss, because I think she was thinking like she's feeling dejected he's taking treating me like crap because of that, which is fine, like, not fine, but like I can understand that he's confused or whatever by and so she apologizes for it, and then she he's like, she's like I regret this and he's like I didn't.
Amanda:I'm like well then, why are you treating her like crap?
Amanda:yeah, no kidding, it was confusing it was very confusing and just again like and not everyone's gonna be out of character. He could just be having a bad day, he's stressed but I just don't like the idea that he treats her like what we've seen of jack and I mean we are going to see an episode coming up soon where him and sarah's relationship shows us a little bit more of how it like deteriorated so badly. But for the most part we see jack. I like to see jack. He was respectful to sarah, he loved her. Maybe he wasn't always the best husband, but like he was never. It doesn't look like he was ever abusive emotionally or anything. He's a good, respectable man. I just don't like when he treats kate like that it's so bouncy like it's so like back and forth, and even within the confines of this episode.
Kip:Yeah, it's like back and forth, but that's their whole shtick I know and that's from day one to the end of the finale. It's like this and it's just like boy.
Amanda:They just cannot get it and like so that that piece like so I start off. And why I say I don't like the storyline of them very much is because I kind of start from that piece. I'm like he's being unfair to her. I don't like the way he's talking to her and again, this is me defending k. I don't think it was appropriate for him to talk to her that way.
Amanda:I don't think it was necessary yeah, I agree and then also we have this I don't think they're out there. I don't think they're going to be out there. She doesn't think they're going to be out there because she knows that they've abandoned the area and didn't tell him. And then it's like why didn't you tell me? Which is also very on brand. And then she's like cause I was waiting until I was let back into the club. I'm like you guys are in the middle of fucking nowhere, arguing in a net and knowing information that this and I'm like why are you guys out here then?
Amanda:Why didn't you say to him they're probably not out there anymore, Jack, Because last week we discovered that a fake beard and costume and it's. They've hit the road.
Kip:But then we wouldn't have had the big finale.
Amanda:I know, I know what you know.
Theresa:I know, I know.
Kip:But it's just, we gotta, we got to each other. Well, that's just it.
Amanda:It's like the thing about loss is there's so much unsaid that could fix so many things if these people talked normally for half a second and I mean that's kind of life too I suppose yeah I just I thought, like these two crazy kids, like you just, gotta work it out you gotta get these two crazy kids in a room and just let them but you know what it's so funny?
Kip:because they're always like together in these reveal moments like it was with the thing, the food falling, and then, like now, michael coming back. Oh, what do you think about that?
Amanda:michael came back well, let's, let's talk about that in a second, because you I was the only one who really answered whether or not I would. You kind kind of answered it, teresa, but you didn't really explain why. Like I, I talked myself back out of not thinking they're going to be there, but when I, when he first talked about it before I remembered about the abandoning, I was like, yeah, I think they would keep a close eye on them. I didn't think they would do what they wanted them to do but I thought they might fuck, fuck with them.
Theresa:But then when I remembered yeah oh yeah, they abandoned that area. They probably don't I was like no, but you guys didn't really talk about what you thought. I highly doubt that they had people just like waiting there to see if they were ever going to cross the line, like I just don't believe that that would be realistic is it weird that I kind of think they, I kind of see, and that's the thing.
Kip:Like I, I've seen this episode countless times and but I'm still in the moment being like, oh, are they gonna be there? Because they said don't cross this line? And like I'm thinking, okay, they're gonna be watching somehow, yeah, but clearly they don't give a shit day in and day out.
Theresa:Just doesn't seem likely.
Kip:No no, well, when you say it like that now that they've abandoned that, like clearly they had that maybe they got cams, maybe they got some technology. They had that medical facility close by.
Amanda:That was probably where they're coming out of.
Kip:Yeah. But, Like ants.
Amanda:So weird, light them up.
Theresa:Light them up.
Kip:That was fucked, that's where they brought you out, Kate. That's where I put my guns down.
Amanda:That's where they brought you out. It was dark Jack, I could kind of see him remembering that being like oh man, because that probably was emotionally resonant right Like oh man, I remember they took you out of there and I was so worried and scared and I was so upset and I saw Sawyer get shot.
Theresa:And then I put my guns right. Exactly, it's so weird, oh boy so what did you guys think?
Amanda:about michael coming back. Oh god was it surprising. Well, okay, you told us that he doesn't come back for like eight episodes.
Kip:It did not feel like it's been eight episodes has it already been eight he's back already I mean, that's how I felt.
Amanda:I just like this one. I can't. Like I said, I try to put myself in the shoes. Sometimes Somebody's watched it for the first time but I can't. When I, when they rolled him over, I was like fuck off, Like this beginning of the end, Like well, yeah. I can't Like anything. You felt about Michael before today, anything any relief you might have felt as a fan when they rolled him over and you're like, oh my god, there he is, he's alive, thank god. You will immediately regret.
Kip:It's funny I watched the um the promo for two for the road which is the next episode and it just it hit me like it was like this wave of nostalgia because, like I remember watching TV shows and during the end credits they would show the promo for the next episode.
Kip:And it was always like the credits would shrink to the little thing on the bottom, but it was almost like they must have taken a break, because it was like the final four episodes are back, and it was like a promo for the next four episodes, almost like the finale of season two, because I think season two finale was two episodes and I think they aired them together, so it's like getting close oh, they don't.
Kip:I thought for some reason this said the air date um something does so I mean we kind of come covered the whole episode. The only final thing is the uh montage. We got a nice little montage again I think because it's a rosa bernard sweet episode. Those lost montages are good. Never fails to bring a tear to my eye I do.
Amanda:I will just say because we talked about it in general, but I do want to say that because you I choked earlier about crying. You said, of course, because there's a montage, the montage didn't hurt. But I have to say what really got me like the conversation between rose and lock on the beach where they talked about how, like she clearly knew, like I knew, it had to have been something, but that little scene in the airport where she drops her pills and he picks them up.
Amanda:I don't know what it was, but I literally like burst into tears.
Kip:She sure did it was so Amanda. It just like hit me emotionally, me too. What yeah it just I don't know, I don't. It was like this weird connection that they shared and they didn't know they were sharing, and now they're able to talk about it. I'm getting goosebumps. Like me too.
Amanda:I'm too.
Kip:I'm heartless, apparently but like, just like, and again that idea of like yeah, I saw you on the plane yeah, we both are like in the airport.
Amanda:We know and we've like oh, and she's like he knows she was sick because she had pills yeah she knows he was in a wheelchair, because he was in a wheelchair and they kept that secret yeah oh fuck, it was beautiful. And then right into a model show. I'm like okay, well, this show just wants me to die, so like anyway so okay, let's uh, let's get into the character rankings.
Theresa:Theresa, take it away all right, so in 16th place we have our usual Michael, and then in 15th place, we have Charlie with minus 660, Ana Lucia minus 5, kate 25, desmond 60, walt 240, libby 465, jack 660, sawyer 765, claire claire 780, gin 1235. Then our top five, we have echo 1295, lock 1495, saeed 1555, sun 1630 and our number one king is still Hurley with 1735.
Kip:Well-deserved. Hurley Well-deserved.
Amanda:Let's see how long he stays in the leader spot. Snaps and claps for Hurley.
Kip:Yeah.
Amanda:Well, thank you for that, Teresa. We've seen that everyone has, you know, lived to fight another day.
Kip:And now we're going to hear Kip and Kippies most valuable player and least valuable player of the week and kippies kip and kippies, these two people now um, I also I'm gonna ask amanda to share, but oh yeah, yeah, you know it's funny, I actually couldn't pick yes I could not.
Kip:I thought about it really hard and I for me I don't. I feel like it's obvious to pick Rose and or Bernard as the MVP. But then I'm like, okay, that's obvious, but I couldn't pick anyone else, so it's got to be them tied Least valuable player I couldn't pick because everybody else was just like kind of like a meh, like they didn't the. The barometer didn't move at all for anybody else.
Kip:Everyone was just on brand kind of who they are. No one really did anything that outrageous or amazing, and so I'm just like okay, mvp Rosen, bernard, lvp, everyone else.
Amanda:Yeah, exactly yeah, MVP Rose and Bernard.
Kip:LVP everyone else. Yeah, exactly, Good enough. Yeah, I agree.
Amanda:Yeah, that is honestly how I felt. The only thing I say is my honorary is. I just think, the little fight between Jin and Bernard on the beach. Oh, I love that scene Jin like he's oh sorry, and then when he like realizes it's for rows, he's just like okay, fine, You're an asshole, I get it, but I can't be a part of this.
Kip:Yeah, I'm out, see ya.
Amanda:MVP is Rosen Bernard. Lvp is everyone else, with a little asterisk that Jin rises a bit above everyone else.
Kip:Okay, further to the asterisk, another asterisk. Other MVP Vincent for going and sharing that food with Sawyer.
Amanda:That was so cute, sawyer. Be the MVP for sharing it with the dog. No, vincent, I know.
Kip:Vincent knew Sawyer needed someone.
Amanda:Yeah, it's very cute, good boy.
Kip:Well, we've come to the end of this EPSOS.
Amanda:Someone help me.
Theresa:Oh, my God.
Amanda:It's not healthy.
Kip:Teresa, what do you rate this episode?
Theresa:I rate it a 7.2. Okay, it's not bad. It's kind of sweet Like they're so adorable. It didn't do that much for me. It felt like a filler episode, like very much like a filler episode, but it was cute.
Amanda:It was cute, it was really cute okay, 7.2 nice yeah, I do, probably around a 7 7.5, so maybe I'll do like a 7.3, like it's in that kind of like low sevens for me.
Amanda:Um, obviously, like we've talked about, like, with the exception of my one and I think I gave a Charlie episode like a three or four or something one time um, they're all gonna be in the highs still, like Rose and Bernard are so sweet and they, they are consistently liked and and beloved and like I said that that idea of them finding love later in life is so beautiful to me. Um, but again it's you know, there's not a lot to it. That scene with Locke and her at the end I find really nice. I like the idea that there's that shared belief and and and faith and respect that they have for each other to like understand what each other's gone through but not share it with anyone else. I think that's really nice. Um, but again, like, I think I'm a little bit biased because I know we're about to come into just some like amazing television and so it's just like I just want to get there okay, I'm gonna give it a 7.9, like I like it.
Kip:I always not always, but I typically like the filler episodes because I can appreciate that they had to do them and at least they gave us some entertaining episodes. But I can't crack the eight because I know once I get into, because it was just a filler episode it was just like sort of a we got to kind of hit them with something soft before we hit them with something very hard yeah, and so, like 7.9, it's gonna be good episode, but it ain't up there with the top 8 plus, so 7.9 for me fair enough and that's it for this week's episode of let's Get Lost.
Amanda:Thank you, guys. So so much for listening. I have to say that for those of you who know you know we're coming into some I don't even know how we're going to talk about next week's episode like I don't.
Kip:I don't know how we're going to talk about next week's episode. Like I don't Teresa doesn't even know what's going on. I don't know how we're going to talk about it.
Amanda:We're going to watch it all together. So that's going to be fun, and then we're going to immediately record our reactions to it, because that is so necessary with something like that, yeah, and those of you who don't know, you'll find out. And again, stay tuned for next week's release episodes, because we're going to have a new episode in our catalog of talk, as well as the interview from today. So thank you very much.
Kip:Bye, bye.