Amanda:
[00:00:00 - 00:00:08] Hello, everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of let's Get Lost. I'm your host, Amanda, and I'm here with my besties, Teresa. 

Theresa:
[00:00:08 - 00:00:09] Hi. 

Amanda:
[00:00:09 - 00:00:10] And Kippy. 

Kip:
[00:00:10 - 00:00:10] Hey. 

Amanda:
[00:00:11 - 00:00:26] And we are here to talk about season three, episode three, Further Instructions. Please tell us what the episode is about, Teresa, because I don't even know that I really know after watching it. And the title does not help that much. 

Kip:
[00:00:26 - 00:00:29] No, correct. 

Theresa:
[00:00:29 - 00:00:59] It's called Further Instructions. It's written by Carlton Cus and Elizabeth Sarnoff. Directed by Steven Williams or Stefan Williams. Stephen Stephan. Steven Williams. After waking up in the jungle disoriented and unable to speak, Locke builds a sweat lodge. Visions of Boone point Locke in the direction of Mr. Echo, while Hurley discovers Desmond, who seems to have a unique power of his own. In a flashback, Locke welcomes a newcomer to his communal farm and faces yet another betrayal. 

Amanda:
[00:01:02 - 00:01:19] I just. I don't even know what to say to any of this. I know you're gonna hit us with some stats, but I just. Let me say, last week we had a hard time talking about this episode because it was boring. This week, I think we're have a hard time talking about it in terms of, like, quality. But you're gonna get some quantity in my comments. 

Kip:
[00:01:20 - 00:01:43] Oh, no. Okay, well, before we get to that, here's some stats. 7.9 out of 10. Same as last week. No change. Viewers 16.31 million. And I don't think there was any soy nicknames cuz Sawyer wasn't in it. So that's. Oh, and day 68 on the island, which is actually a day. Previously from last week. 

Amanda:
[00:01:43 - 00:01:44] Previously I Lost. 

Kip:
[00:01:44 - 00:01:50] Previously the day before Lost on the Island. Previously on the Island. 

Amanda:
[00:01:50 - 00:01:51] Previously on the Island. 

Kip:
[00:01:51 - 00:01:53] Let everybody do their best. Previously. 

Theresa:
[00:01:56 - 00:01:58] Previously on Lost. 

Kip:
[00:01:58 - 00:02:00] Previously on Lost. 

Amanda:
[00:02:01 - 00:02:03] Previously on Lost. Mine was the worst. 

Theresa:
[00:02:03 - 00:02:05] Yours was the basket. That was really good. 

Kip:
[00:02:05 - 00:02:06] Previously. 

Amanda:
[00:02:06 - 00:02:09] Who is the voice? We found out who the voice was for that, didn't we? 

Kip:
[00:02:09 - 00:02:17] It's. It's the original producer who got fired. What's his name? He's. His name's on Seinfeld all the time. Lloyd. 

Amanda:
[00:02:17 - 00:02:18] Oh, Lloyd Braun. 

Kip:
[00:02:18 - 00:02:21] Why can't you be more like Lloyd Braun? 

Amanda:
[00:02:21 - 00:02:23] The guy who, like, made the really expensive pilot? 

Kip:
[00:02:24 - 00:02:27] He greenlit it and was really invested and then got fired for it. 

Amanda:
[00:02:27 - 00:02:30] Oh, so no trivia again this week? 

Kip:
[00:02:30 - 00:02:31] Oh, I got trivia. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:02:31 - 00:02:31] Perfect. 

Kip:
[00:02:31 - 00:02:32] Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:02:32 - 00:02:32] I thought he was. 

Kip:
[00:02:32 - 00:02:43] Sorry I got sidetracked. All right, what were the two Bible verses on Echo's stick that were highlighted in this episode? 

Amanda:
[00:02:44 - 00:02:46] John 316 is one of them. Right. 

Kip:
[00:02:46 - 00:02:46] No. 

Amanda:
[00:02:47 - 00:02:48] 316 something. 

Kip:
[00:02:48 - 00:02:49] No. 

Amanda:
[00:02:49 - 00:02:50] John something. 

Kip:
[00:02:50 - 00:02:51] Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:02:51 - 00:02:55] Mark something. Proverbs. 

Kip:
[00:02:55 - 00:02:56] No, I'm out. 

Theresa:
[00:02:57 - 00:02:58] I have no idea. 

Kip:
[00:02:58 - 00:03:02] Romans 6:12 and John 3:15. 

Amanda:
[00:03:02 - 00:03:08] Oh, so close the off with that Jesus. Wait, what are they going to. I got to look them up. 

Kip:
[00:03:09 - 00:03:11] Exactly, Teresa. Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:03:12 - 00:03:15] John 3:15. 3:15. 

Kip:
[00:03:15 - 00:03:22] Jesus answered. I tell you the truth. No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the spirit. 

Amanda:
[00:03:22 - 00:03:24] That's the other one, right? 

Kip:
[00:03:24 - 00:03:25] Bible verse. That's John 3:15. 

Amanda:
[00:03:25 - 00:03:32] That is not what it says here. It says, do not obey the love of sin. Oh, that who soever believeth in him. 

Kip:
[00:03:32 - 00:03:34] John 3:16. 

Amanda:
[00:03:34 - 00:03:38] No, that. No. 

Theresa:
[00:03:38 - 00:03:39] I don't know. 

Amanda:
[00:03:39 - 00:03:45] I just checked. I just. I just clicked on a very scary looking website though. I might be on some sort of watch list now. I'm done. 

Kip:
[00:03:46 - 00:03:46] Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:03:46 - 00:03:54] It has so many dots and letters. I might be on a. Dots and letters. Yeah. Like it was like a bunch of letters. Dot a bunch of letters. Dot a bunch of letters. 

Theresa:
[00:03:54 - 00:03:56] Dot like a sentence. 

Kip:
[00:03:56 - 00:03:57] What does that mean? 

Amanda:
[00:03:58 - 00:04:10] But not. Do you know what I mean? Like if I said like at gov MB catch. It was like that, but with like a bunch of different random letters. I. I don't know. I went to some sort of weird place. 

Theresa:
[00:04:10 - 00:04:13] I still don't understand, like if it was like Yahoo. 

Amanda:
[00:04:13 - 00:04:15] Google dot bing that. 

Theresa:
[00:04:15 - 00:04:16] Why would it do that? 

Amanda:
[00:04:16 - 00:04:21] But that's what it was. That's what I'm saying. I don't know why it would do that. That's why I'm scared that I'm on some sort of. 

Theresa:
[00:04:21 - 00:04:23] It was word, dot, word, but it wasn't words. 

Amanda:
[00:04:23 - 00:04:37] It was like a bunch of random letters. It was like QX 16.554. Anyway, I just want this to go down on history. That if something weird comes out of my phone, it's because I tried to look up the Bible. That was my first mistake. 

Kip:
[00:04:38 - 00:04:38] Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:04:38 - 00:04:41] Trivia question number two got intense so quickly. 

Kip:
[00:04:42 - 00:04:49] This episode was not originally intended to be the third episode of the season. When was it originally supposed to have aired? 

Amanda:
[00:04:49 - 00:04:53] Second of the season. 

Kip:
[00:04:53 - 00:04:54] I need a sound, please. 

Theresa:
[00:04:55 - 00:04:56] Yeah, second correct. 

Kip:
[00:04:56 - 00:04:57] Teresa. 

Amanda:
[00:04:59 - 00:05:00] That makes sense. Actually. 

Kip:
[00:05:00 - 00:05:03] These were supposed to be switched glass ballerina in this one. 

Amanda:
[00:05:04 - 00:05:07] Why didn't we do that? I actually think that would have made more sense. 

Kip:
[00:05:08 - 00:05:12] Yeah, I don't know. There was probably reasons. I just didn't find them. 

Amanda:
[00:05:12 - 00:05:31] But I think that they made a poor choice. So I hope there was a good reason because I actually think it would have made much more sense to have this be second. Second, because then we would have like, because they even say, like, what about Saeed and them? And they're like, I don't know. But it's like, we do know. Should have been like, cooler if, like, they said that. And we're like, yeah. John's like, I don't know. And we could have been like, also like, I don't know, like, what is going on with those three? 

Kip:
[00:05:31 - 00:05:33] Yeah. And then we, like, intrigued. 

Theresa:
[00:05:33 - 00:05:38] And then we wouldn't have two kind of like, trapped episodes. 

Amanda:
[00:05:38 - 00:05:47] And I'm going to be really honest with you, I probably would have remembered what the hell happened? I. When we get into discussion, I need someone to tell me what the hell happened with Jon and Desmond and Ekko at the end of season two. 

Kip:
[00:05:47 - 00:05:56] Okay, last trivia question. True or false? Hitchhiking is illegal in California where they were in this John's flashback. 

Amanda:
[00:05:59 - 00:06:02] Well, I feel like false. 

Theresa:
[00:06:03 - 00:06:05] Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. True. 

Kip:
[00:06:06 - 00:06:22] Okay, so it is legal to hitchhike in California. However, standing in a roadway to solicit a ride from a vehicle is prohibited. Hitchhikers are expected to catch rides at truck stops, rest areas, or from the shoulder on ramps or surface streets. 

Theresa:
[00:06:22 - 00:06:26] Explains why he says I could. Picking up a thing is illegal. 

Kip:
[00:06:26 - 00:06:27] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:06:27 - 00:06:29] I could do something where it was. 

Theresa:
[00:06:29 - 00:06:30] Yeah, yeah. 

Kip:
[00:06:30 - 00:06:32] Although it was kind of on the shoulder, I think. 

Amanda:
[00:06:32 - 00:06:36] I think I learned very recently that a lot of American highways do not have shoulders. 

Kip:
[00:06:36 - 00:06:37] Oh. 

Amanda:
[00:06:37 - 00:06:39] And it's terrifying because we watch or. 

Theresa:
[00:06:39 - 00:06:40] They'Re very narrow shoulders. 

Amanda:
[00:06:40 - 00:06:43] Yeah. Because I heard someone doesn't want to do Ragbrai with me. 

Kip:
[00:06:44 - 00:06:54] That. Why would you want a bike for hundreds and hundreds of kilometers with a 10,000 other people on a street? It's right, Bry. No, I'm not doing that. 

Theresa:
[00:06:54 - 00:06:56] But he said he would do via ferrata. 

Kip:
[00:06:56 - 00:07:01] I'll do the climbing thing. Yeah. Okay. Better than Idaho. Where? Wherever this. 

Amanda:
[00:07:01 - 00:07:02] I've never been to Iowa. 

Theresa:
[00:07:02 - 00:07:05] Even still, you bike across. 

Kip:
[00:07:05 - 00:07:07] Why would you want to bike across Iowa? 

Amanda:
[00:07:07 - 00:07:21] They look so fun. Anyway, my point is, when I was watching them do right, Bry? Because I want to do right. They don't have shoulders at all of them, which. And people die because of it. It's kind of scary. So I can see actually why they would make it illegal because, like, standing in the middle of the highway is dangerous. 

Kip:
[00:07:21 - 00:07:23] I. I lied. I have one more trivia question. 

Theresa:
[00:07:23 - 00:07:23] Okay. 

Kip:
[00:07:23 - 00:07:25] What band is on Eddie's T shirt? 

Amanda:
[00:07:26 - 00:07:27] Drono Jackson. 

Kip:
[00:07:27 - 00:07:27] Correct. 

Theresa:
[00:07:28 - 00:07:29] So we're tied. 

Kip:
[00:07:31 - 00:07:32] Wow. 

Amanda:
[00:07:32 - 00:07:35] You stole my answer to one. To be. 

Theresa:
[00:07:35 - 00:07:37] To be fair, use a sound. 

Amanda:
[00:07:39 - 00:07:40] Hey, I like rules. 

Kip:
[00:07:40 - 00:07:43] You both have the same sound. So that's got to change. 

Theresa:
[00:07:43 - 00:07:44] Yeah, it really does. 

Amanda:
[00:07:44 - 00:07:47] Well, I didn't see trivia written on the board, so I didn't. 

Kip:
[00:07:47 - 00:07:55] Oh, yeah, I forgot to put it on there. All right, so there you have it. Trivia for final instructions. I mean, further instructions. 

Amanda:
[00:07:55 - 00:07:56] All right. 

Kip:
[00:07:56 - 00:08:02] We sound so enthused. Well, I mean, we did say. Yeah, this one is a bit of. 

Amanda:
[00:08:02 - 00:08:05] A. Yeah, that is my high level takeaway today. 

Kip:
[00:08:05 - 00:08:06] All right, let's go. 

Amanda:
[00:08:06 - 00:08:06] We are correct. 

Theresa:
[00:08:07 - 00:08:08] This is a slog. 

Amanda:
[00:08:08 - 00:08:09] Yeah, it's gonna be tough. 

Kip:
[00:08:10 - 00:08:10] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:08:10 - 00:08:52] But I actually, when we get into the discussion, my issue with the slog of the first little bit of the season is I. I feel like they're like, kind of getting kind of lazy, these episodes, because even the flashback, I feel like they usually gave us more context to them. And this was just wild, this flashback. Like, and, and like, I, I don't even think it's that wildly out of character. I just think that we. With a little bit more context to what was going on, it would have made a bit more sense for us. And I just feel like they're getting kind of late. So my, My high level takeaway is. Even Lost, the greatest television show of all time, is susceptible to that mid series lazy writing slump. 

Kip:
[00:08:52 - 00:09:11] Yeah. And I think just a little further to that is, I do believe this was around the time where they were struggling with the. The network wanting this to go on for as long as possible and them fighting for an end date. So they were like, having to come up with episodes that were just filler episodes. 

Amanda:
[00:09:11 - 00:09:40] And again, that's kind of part of the high level takeaway, which is that's not how TV is anymore. Like, the good place. For examp example, I heard that Mike Shore was like, I'm doing four seasons of this and that's all you're getting essentially, like, obviously a little bit different conversation. But essentially it was like, this is the story I'm telling. This is how many seasons I can do it in take it or leave it kind of thing. And I feel like now networks are a little bit more attuned to, like, that than just milking everything for. 

Kip:
[00:09:40 - 00:09:41] Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:09:41 - 00:09:46] So that's a good change in the industry to, like, let it be, like, creative driven. 

Kip:
[00:09:46 - 00:09:50] But there are good filler episodes out there. 

Amanda:
[00:09:50 - 00:09:50] 100. 

Kip:
[00:09:50 - 00:09:52] It's just this one was kind of a dud. 

Amanda:
[00:09:52 - 00:09:54] So we'll talk about. 

Kip:
[00:09:54 - 00:09:55] All right, so. 

Amanda:
[00:09:55 - 00:09:56] But before we do that, we're gonna. 

Kip:
[00:09:56 - 00:09:59] Do Teresa's stream of consciousness. 

Theresa:
[00:09:59 - 00:10:08] Also, further instructions. Oh, hey, it's Locke. Where's he at? Now. What happened to him again? Oh, he can't talk. 

Amanda:
[00:10:09 - 00:10:09] Wait. 

Theresa:
[00:10:09 - 00:10:42] Is dead Des nude? Why is he running nakey? Oh, my God. Why so much blood? Lock. What the hell happened? Oh, my God. As if he just got up, and now he's gonna get hit by a branch. Oh, just kidding. It's Echo. Stick lock. What are you doing back? From where? Where was John again? What's he doing? Claire, if you want to know, you can just ask him. Where's Echo? Where are Echo and Des? I've never been so confused, and that says a lot for this show. Charlie is really bad at charades. But then again, so is John. How do you speak to an island? 

Amanda:
[00:10:42 - 00:10:43] Wow. 

Theresa:
[00:10:43 - 00:15:13] Why didn't we do that sooner? Use a pen and paper. Also, don't use one page per line. That's ridiculous. You're gonna rip through paper in a hot second. Charlie, do you remember why he punched you in the face? You're not exactly innocent either, my friend. Could I be any more confused? Is this a Lock episode? Who's this kid you're gonna pick up? A hitchhiker? Oh, my God. Look at John with hair. Oh, State popo stopping you? I'm sorry. You have guns and groceries. Why so many guns? Where the hell are you going? Is it illegal to pick up hedgehikers? How long has this cop been following him? John is so sketchy right now, and this kid should be creeped up by the guns. Why would you build your sweat lodge in the middle of Echo's church? Is this safe? What's he eating? What's it taste like? Black, Brown. Goofy. How did he build a sweat lodge so fast? Man, boot is so cute. There's something so creepy about this whole episode. I'm sorry, what? Family back together. Can you leave the sweat lodge? This episode is freaky. This whole thing is weird. What mess does he have? Boone? This is so weird. Oh, it's dead. They have Echo. Who has Echo? I like that Charlie actually stood guard. What's with the knife? Save Mr. Echo. How. Where is he? Of course Charlie comes along for the ride. I'm sorry. The polar bear. Echoes with a polar bear? Why was a stick in a tree all this? Sorry. This stream is just gonna be me asking question after question. I'm so confused. Where are we now, John? And why did you give that one kid so much candy? Oh, is that how you know how to make a sweat lodge? John, where was this hitchhiker headed that he's just now along for the ride? Oh, is this the post Helen and his dad stuff? How he ended up here, I'm not sure. Is that. Oh, my God. That's a big hole. Is that. Oh, it's the hatch. Charlie. Has Charlie always been wearing bell bottoms? Is that a dead boar? Can everybody else eat it? Well, I guess they can't because it's an active kill, Whatever that means. Can they outrun a polar bear? Was that the plan? Oh, shit. It's a human. He stabbed a human. Okay, it's just a canteen, but it's Hurley's canteen. Damn. That could have been bad. What's with Locke's moob? Charlie, why are you still going with Locke if there's a bear? Hurley, just go back, my friend. Leave them to the bear. Hunting or being hunted by the bear? I don't know. This episode is weird. Is that a bear den or is the bear out to hunt? Were daddies a thing back then? Oh, those peaches look nice. Seems like there are way more people working than the than were at that dinner. Eddie, why are you still here? It's been six weeks, Eddie. If there are too many secrets, why don't you just leave? Fertilizer leads to blowing stuff up. How do you know you're. You're supposed to go in there, John. Surely he's not going to try to fight a bear. I would be so scared walking through the jungle alone. Poor Hurley. Oh, it's dez. I always wondered what they had in their backpacks all the time. I guess. Extra clothes. Wait. This bear has toys? What's in the greenhouse? I bet it's pot. Huh. Called it. Oh, and they're all not. They're not all happy dappy anymore. Oh, John got played. Why is John even a part of this? How are you gonna fix this, John? What the hell is this? Cave? Not a bear den. Something else in here. There's bones and people and. Oh, my God. Echo. Oh, my God. What is happening? How's Echo? Still alive. Like I'm surprised his leg isn't all chewed up and in pieces after they tried to pull him back and forth. I like this convo between DEZ and Hurley. It's so honest. What speech. When did he run into Locke? Oh, my God. Is Locke gonna shoot Eddie? This cannot be real. No, you're not gonna kill someone. Who's chose Jon and why? Oh, my God. Yikes. Amenable for coercion. That's so awkward. Since when have you been a hunter, Jon? Also, if you kill him, people are gonna come wondering what I'm wandering, trying to find their Dude. Why are they so Surprised by the stream. Do they not know where they're going? John, do you know? You could have. John, you don't know. You couldn't. You could have saved them or protected them. Ew. No. Well, Echo is being scary and creepy. Is he still sweat lodging? Oh, it's them. Oh, this is his speech. Oh, also, I like that they're just okay with Desmond being there. I don't think we needed Charlie to say. Not a bad speech. Me thinks the end. 

Kip:
[00:15:13 - 00:15:17] Yeah, I mean, I agree with pretty much everything you said. 

Amanda:
[00:15:17 - 00:15:21] I know. Me too. It's good. That was a good stream of consciousness. 

Kip:
[00:15:21 - 00:15:23] It summed up the episode very nicely. 

Theresa:
[00:15:24 - 00:15:25] This is weird. Weird episode. 

Kip:
[00:15:25 - 00:15:31] Yeah, it was. Let's talk about what? What do you want to do? Flashbacks? Island. 

Amanda:
[00:15:31 - 00:15:32] Let's do flashbacks. 

Kip:
[00:15:32 - 00:15:32] Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:15:32 - 00:15:43] Yeah. So John picks up the hitchhiker who looks like he's maybe 20, who, if. 

Amanda:
[00:15:43 - 00:15:50] Anyone watches Shameless is Jimmy from Shameless. 

Kip:
[00:15:50 - 00:15:53] I've never seen Shameless. I've always wanted to watch it, though. 

Theresa:
[00:15:53 - 00:15:55] And if you don't watch Shameless, he. 

Kip:
[00:15:55 - 00:15:57] Is this hitchhiker, Eddie from Lost. 

Theresa:
[00:15:57 - 00:15:57] Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:15:57 - 00:16:04] I'm sure he's done some other things. Apparently lots of people think he's Aaron Paul. 

Kip:
[00:16:04 - 00:16:05] Does kind of look like he does. 

Theresa:
[00:16:05 - 00:16:06] Kind of watch him back. 

Amanda:
[00:16:06 - 00:16:11] Yeah, they think it's Aaron Paul, which is funny, but. 

Kip:
[00:16:11 - 00:16:12] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:16:12 - 00:16:15] So he picks up a hitchhiker just trucking along. John. 

Kip:
[00:16:16 - 00:16:19] So are we. We think it's post, Helen. 

Theresa:
[00:16:19 - 00:16:20] I think it's post. 

Amanda:
[00:16:20 - 00:16:23] I think it is too, because he says that they helped him with his anger. 

Kip:
[00:16:23 - 00:16:27] Yeah, that's. I was wondering. And then when they said that that would make sense. 

Theresa:
[00:16:27 - 00:16:27] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:16:27 - 00:16:34] It kind of had the similar weird hair to when he proposed to Helen. 

Theresa:
[00:16:34 - 00:16:35] That was the wrong time. 

Amanda:
[00:16:35 - 00:16:36] So, like. 

Kip:
[00:16:37 - 00:16:40] Like, how did he get involved with these people? That's what I would like to know. 

Amanda:
[00:16:41 - 00:16:51] I. I don't even like. I. That's what I meant about, like the context and the laziness of the ring. I'm not even saying that I don't believe John would get mixed up with a criminal cult. 

Kip:
[00:16:51 - 00:16:52] I think he would. 

Amanda:
[00:16:52 - 00:16:55] Like, I 100 think he would. 

Kip:
[00:16:55 - 00:16:58] He is amenable to coercion from many different ways. 

Amanda:
[00:16:58 - 00:17:10] Would have liked a little bit more context as to how that happened. And like, what exactly, like, is this. He just always lived there now, like, what did he do when he was with Helen? I can't remember even. 

Kip:
[00:17:10 - 00:17:14] Like, he was a home inspector. He was a home inspector. 

Amanda:
[00:17:14 - 00:17:15] Oh, right. So like. 

Kip:
[00:17:15 - 00:17:27] Like it would have been. I mean, yeah, you can go back and say what Would have been better, but, like, lose the whole undercover cop thing and just have his backstory about how he got involved with this cult. 

Theresa:
[00:17:27 - 00:17:27] Who. 

Kip:
[00:17:27 - 00:17:35] Who let him down. Another example of how Jon's been abandoned, because that's sort of the theme. He's always abandoned by people he thinks care about him. 

Amanda:
[00:17:36 - 00:17:42] I don't even actually know if that's the theme of that, though. I think the theme of it is he just trusts blindly. 

Kip:
[00:17:42 - 00:17:46] Yeah. I mean, that's a big. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:17:46 - 00:17:57] And like. But, like, what kind of pissed me off about, like, that whole thing is that they also kind of fell for it. 

Kip:
[00:17:57 - 00:17:57] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:17:58 - 00:18:02] Right. Like. But I guess maybe they're the ones who figured it out, so that's why they're better or whatever. 

Kip:
[00:18:02 - 00:18:06] How did they figure it out? Like, how did they just hack into a. Get his police record? 

Amanda:
[00:18:06 - 00:18:10] Because they're, like, clearly like some sort of high level crim Org. 

Kip:
[00:18:10 - 00:18:10] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:18:10 - 00:18:10] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:18:10 - 00:18:12] In the woods of California. 

Theresa:
[00:18:13 - 00:18:15] Yeah. Like, whose property is this? 

Amanda:
[00:18:15 - 00:18:18] Well, it's funny because at first a cult vibe from them. Right? 

Kip:
[00:18:19 - 00:18:19] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:18:19 - 00:18:23] And then, like, once you see that there's this greenhouse, you're like, okay. And like, all the guns and. Right. 

Kip:
[00:18:23 - 00:18:27] I mean, I thought they were building bombs too first. Because that is what you use a lot of fertilizer for. 

Theresa:
[00:18:27 - 00:18:27] Is it? 

Kip:
[00:18:27 - 00:18:28] Yeah. Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:18:28 - 00:18:29] I had no idea. 

Kip:
[00:18:29 - 00:18:30] Oklahoma City bombing. 

Theresa:
[00:18:30 - 00:18:31] Oh, damn. 

Kip:
[00:18:31 - 00:18:32] Van full of fertilizer. 

Theresa:
[00:18:32 - 00:18:33] Holy. 

Kip:
[00:18:34 - 00:18:40] So that's what I thought. And then the Eddie said it, so I was like, oh. And then you find out what it actually is. 

Amanda:
[00:18:41 - 00:19:01] Like, the whole thing was just kind of weird. Right. Like, I also wonder, like, what we're supposed to learn from that is that. Yeah. Like, he gets involved with these people who've helped him and made him feel like a family again, and then they're leaving him and abandoning him because he trusted the wrong person again. Similar to, like, Helen and his dad. Like, whatever. But, like, why was it that. 

Kip:
[00:19:02 - 00:19:03] Yeah, I know. 

Amanda:
[00:19:03 - 00:19:05] There was probably a difference. 

Kip:
[00:19:05 - 00:19:09] There's a million different ways that you can tell that story. Why go with a pot farm that. 

Amanda:
[00:19:09 - 00:19:34] Is then in, like you said, infiltrated by this undercover cop? Like, it just seems like it. Like, I'm not saying that it wouldn't be. I totally could see John Locke getting mixed up with the criminal cult. I stand by that. But the. Picking up the guy and bringing him in and then befriending him with no real questions and things like that in this setting seems odd, right? Like this. It just felt. It was like the weirdest thing of, like, it felt right, but it felt. 

Kip:
[00:19:34 - 00:19:40] Wrong out of Place, like, not, like, out of place in that. It's just so random. 

Theresa:
[00:19:40 - 00:19:43] It is very random. Very random. 

Amanda:
[00:19:43 - 00:19:50] And, like, where. How did he get involved with this cult? That they're, like, important enough that the. 

Kip:
[00:19:51 - 00:19:55] They say something like, any friend of John's is a friend of ours. Like. 

Amanda:
[00:19:55 - 00:20:00] And, like. Like, how long has he been there? Like, how. Like, I just think there could have been a little bit more exposition. 

Kip:
[00:20:00 - 00:20:01] Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:20:01 - 00:20:03] And, like, that would have been fun. 

Kip:
[00:20:03 - 00:20:03] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:20:03 - 00:20:08] Because, like, I'm kind of like, why? Was he an FBI agent? 

Kip:
[00:20:08 - 00:20:13] No. Like, I don't know. Because it looked like he was just some county cop in that, like, photo. 

Amanda:
[00:20:13 - 00:20:14] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:20:14 - 00:20:19] It was so weird. And I don't know, like, 20 years old and he's already doing undercover. 

Theresa:
[00:20:19 - 00:20:20] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:20:20 - 00:20:28] Well, they said they, like, got him fresh out of the academy. But, like, it was just very strange because I'm like, Like, how much weed do they think these people have Exactly. 

Kip:
[00:20:28 - 00:20:30] Like, to do a sting operation like this? 

Amanda:
[00:20:30 - 00:20:35] Like, and that they have, like, psych evals on people and stuff already. Like, they clearly know a lot about the organization. 

Theresa:
[00:20:35 - 00:20:36] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:20:36 - 00:20:46] And, like, could they not just bust it? Come in? Like, they can get a warrant if they have all this, like, evidence. But, like, why would they have a psych eval on John? 

Amanda:
[00:20:46 - 00:21:00] But they probably have them on every person that they've. They probably been doing, like, recon on it. But, like, for that, I would think. I mean, I don't know anything about it, but, like, I would think that, like, for them to use the kind of resources that would be required to know that, like, it'd have to be a pretty big deal. 

Kip:
[00:21:00 - 00:21:01] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:21:01 - 00:21:04] And then, like, how is John involved in something that's that big of a deal? 

Kip:
[00:21:04 - 00:21:18] Because, like, I know. I mean, if it's supposed to be in California, like, I kind of doubt they would dedicate that much resources just for a pot farm. Like, I get it. It's still illegal at this time, but it's not like there would have had to have been something more severe. 

Amanda:
[00:21:18 - 00:21:19] I agree. 

Kip:
[00:21:19 - 00:21:34] Like, like super, like, cocaine or heroin or like, some sort of gang thing or whatever. Like smuggling whatever across the board or something. Like something way more serious than just, it's a pot farm. 

Amanda:
[00:21:34 - 00:21:55] And if they're that big bad guys, like, why is John there exactly? I mean, like, yeah, to me, it. I could see him getting involved in, like, a cult criminal thing if it was like, this, like, mom and, like, kind of how it was first presented. It's like mom and pop kind of like. But I don't even think, like, a hurt John Locke would be like, I'm going to be a part of a criminal organization. Like, that just doesn't seem. 

Theresa:
[00:21:55 - 00:21:57] Yeah, it seems very John Locke. 

Amanda:
[00:21:57 - 00:22:00] Like, the cult, hippie, dippy, family piece of it seems very much like that. 

Theresa:
[00:22:00 - 00:22:01] Totally. 

Amanda:
[00:22:01 - 00:22:07] And, like, the getting involved, getting coerced, getting whatever that does. But, like, I don't think he'd be involved in anything that was hurting people. 

Kip:
[00:22:07 - 00:22:09] No, no, definitely not. 

Amanda:
[00:22:09 - 00:22:13] And then I don't think if it was really hurting people that the California government would care that much about. 

Kip:
[00:22:13 - 00:22:13] Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:22:13 - 00:22:14] Whatever. 

Kip:
[00:22:14 - 00:22:16] It just doesn't make a lot of sense, but. 

Amanda:
[00:22:17 - 00:22:23] And, like, we never hear about it again, do we ever? So it's like, whatever had, like, did he turn them in? 

Kip:
[00:22:25 - 00:22:27] Well, he let Eddie go. 

Amanda:
[00:22:27 - 00:22:30] And that's what I mean. Like, did Eddie go back and. 

Kip:
[00:22:30 - 00:22:37] Yeah, actually, yes, there was a deleted scene. There was a deleted scene where John goes back and sees the cops raiding it. 

Theresa:
[00:22:37 - 00:22:39] Oh, okay. 

Kip:
[00:22:39 - 00:22:39] So. 

Theresa:
[00:22:39 - 00:22:43] So they do get raided. Yeah, I assume they did, because he let Eddie go. 

Kip:
[00:22:43 - 00:22:44] Yeah, Like. 

Amanda:
[00:22:44 - 00:22:51] And, like, that was insane, too. Like, John, no one was going. No one thinks you're going to kill any. 

Kip:
[00:22:51 - 00:22:52] Oh, exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:22:52 - 00:22:55] Like, oh, but he's a hunter. 

Kip:
[00:22:55 - 00:22:57] And he's like, no, you're not. You're a farmer. 

Theresa:
[00:22:57 - 00:23:04] Yeah. He's like, I'm not. I'm not a farmer. I'm a hunter. I'm a hunter. And I feel like that was just so that we could say later, you're a hunter. 

Kip:
[00:23:04 - 00:23:05] He's become a hunter. Exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:23:05 - 00:23:07] And I was like, this is a long way to go. 

Kip:
[00:23:07 - 00:23:11] It's like they wrote backwards from, yeah, saying that to, oh, we had to come up with a story. 

Theresa:
[00:23:11 - 00:23:12] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:23:12 - 00:24:22] And, like, I do think that it's another. I. I don't take as big an issue with this flashback as I did the one in Glass Ballerina, which is another reason I kind of wish they were switched, because I actually do find this flashback still tells us a lot about John, and it just tells us more of, like, these are all the reasons he's being as, like, tough and. But again, I feel like the, like, hippie, dippy part of the. And I don't. I. I hope that's not offense. Like, I'm not trying to, like, downplay anyone's, like, whatever beliefs or, like, how they. What. Like, I think it's all valid. And I. I love, like, the idea of family and all of that stuff that he probably did get out of there, but it also just kind of seemed like they were trying to show us, like, oh, this is where he would have Learned all this, like, sweat lodge, like, meditation stuff too. And it's like, let's, like there's a lot more to it and that means a lot to a lot of people. Right. Like, I, it just seemed like kind of a throwaway type thing of like, oh, he was on this culty farm thing and then he did this sweat lodge meditation thing. And now he's remembering to do it now to like, call back to like, what he needs to be doing. And it's just like, why I thought that was weird. Like, don't, don't minimize. 

Kip:
[00:24:22 - 00:24:27] Like, we could have seen something. Maybe he went in the sweat lodge back on the commune. 

Amanda:
[00:24:27 - 00:24:27] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:24:27 - 00:24:31] And like, what he learned about himself that way or something. 

Amanda:
[00:24:31 - 00:24:37] Tell us about, like, his sweat lodges are very meaningful to important groups of people. 

Kip:
[00:24:37 - 00:24:37] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:24:37 - 00:24:42] So I felt that was like a little bit minimizing of like, like a cultural practice that's like, really important. 

Kip:
[00:24:42 - 00:24:43] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:24:43 - 00:24:51] And like, has a really deep history of like, meaning and, but that it was. And I don't think we needed the on island sweat lodge either. 

Kip:
[00:24:51 - 00:24:52] No. 

Amanda:
[00:24:52 - 00:24:55] To get like, where he needed to go. 

Kip:
[00:24:55 - 00:24:56] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:24:56 - 00:25:00] So I just, I thought that whole thing was a little bit goofy, a. 

Kip:
[00:25:00 - 00:25:01] Little weird, but disrespectful. 

Amanda:
[00:25:01 - 00:25:01] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:25:02 - 00:25:03] It was not handled well. 

Amanda:
[00:25:03 - 00:25:04] It was not handled well. 

Kip:
[00:25:04 - 00:25:34] No. Yeah. I mean, it's sort of known like the sea. The season three, the first, third or so is a bit of a slog to get through before it really ramps up. Like, and I remember thinking, like, yeah, it is. But like, we're sort of feeling it in real time now. Just like these first or these second and third episodes are not top tier Lost for sure. So what about Island? 

Amanda:
[00:25:35 - 00:25:39] Well, and again, like, I don't hate the islands. Like, hey, we get Boone for a little bit. 

Kip:
[00:25:39 - 00:25:42] Yeah. That's always great. And he is real cute. 

Theresa:
[00:25:43 - 00:25:44] So cute. 

Kip:
[00:25:44 - 00:25:44] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:25:45 - 00:25:46] What'd you guys think about that part? 

Kip:
[00:25:48 - 00:25:49] It was weird. 

Theresa:
[00:25:49 - 00:25:49] It was weird. 

Kip:
[00:25:49 - 00:26:10] I liked it. Like, it was, I just like it was filmed uniquely and that it was like a different aesthetic and it was kind of cool to have him back and kind of giving John these little glimpses into. It was also interesting to see John in this, like, vulnerable state again. Like not able to walk and relying on others cuz apologizing again. 

Amanda:
[00:26:10 - 00:26:32] I just, I, I, I think they were a little bit dangerous with like, this sweat lodge piece of like, there's never really, unless I'm missing something. Never been like a part of John that's been suggested. Like, even like, why he came up with that. Like, was that clear to either of you when you were watching it, like, he's just, like, panicking because he can't speak, and then he's like, I've got to do this sweat lodge. Like, what triggered that? 

Kip:
[00:26:33 - 00:26:45] His idea that he needed to talk to the island. And so I guess we're supposed to infer he felt he needed to hear from the island, and maybe he thought, I can do this via a sweat lodge. 

Amanda:
[00:26:45 - 00:26:49] But again, I think there should have been a little bit more exposition as to, like, why he believed this was. 

Kip:
[00:26:50 - 00:26:52] Why would he think sweat lodge. We have no idea. 

Amanda:
[00:26:52 - 00:26:57] Accomplish this? Because it also does seem like he ate. Ingested something when he was in the sweat lodge. 

Theresa:
[00:26:57 - 00:26:58] He did. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:26:58 - 00:27:05] And that, to me, suggests that maybe that was something that, like, altered his mind. Like a psychedelic or something like that. 

Kip:
[00:27:05 - 00:27:06] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:27:06 - 00:27:15] And then, like, he's doing this, and I just, again, like, think that that was a dangerous representation of, like, a very important cultural practice. 

Kip:
[00:27:16 - 00:27:30] Well, I agree with you. It's not like Hollywood writers are known to be the most culturally sensitive people. Like, and I'm not excusing it. It's just, like, not that surprising that they would be so glib and, like, flippant with. 

Amanda:
[00:27:30 - 00:27:56] No, for sure. But if it meant more to the character, even, yeah, I think I would have been like, okay, well, that, like, I can see where they were going. Like, it just. Of all the ways to, like, connect him to the island, he's never really seemed to need something like that. So it would have been interesting to know kind of, like, a little bit more of, like, even when he's talking to Charlie, like, maybe explaining it a bit more like, this is I. This is how I connect with things. This is how I, like, clear my mind, whatever it might be, you know? 

Kip:
[00:27:56 - 00:27:56] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:27:56 - 00:28:13] It is weird that he chose this way just because, remember, it was, like, season one, obviously, when he put something on Boone's head and he was like, hallucin. Like, why wouldn't he just do that to himself? Like, why did he. Why did he do this? 

Amanda:
[00:28:13 - 00:28:43] And I wonder, like. Like you said, why did he build it in, like. Like, this haste hit and in, like, echoes. Church echoes. Religious space. Right. Like, it's. Was that his way to connect to maybe where echo was? Like, that's what I mean. Like, I think we're doing a lot of, Like, I think we're. We're doing the work that the writers should have done. Like, I. I think if you think about it a lot, it does make sense for the character, but it just. Like I said, it felt really Rushed and, like, kind of lazy. And like you said, if they had taken out some of the other stuff, maybe they could have concentrated more on, like, Lock. 

Kip:
[00:28:44 - 00:28:44] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:28:44 - 00:28:54] But we did get to see Boone, and it was. It was like a cool, like, direct art, direct direction type like imagery. 

Kip:
[00:28:54 - 00:29:02] Yeah. It was interesting to see the cast of characters in different ways. Like, Ben was a TSA agent or. 

Amanda:
[00:29:02 - 00:29:06] Something, and everyone got paid. That was nice. All the actors get paid, like, a little bit. 

Kip:
[00:29:06 - 00:29:08] Exactly. They all get to be in it. Exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:29:08 - 00:29:11] Everyone's got a little bit of a residual today. That's good. 

Theresa:
[00:29:11 - 00:29:20] And then sun is. Sun is standing up to Jyn, which was nice to see. And clearly Kate and Sawyer are some kind of couple in this. 

Kip:
[00:29:20 - 00:29:27] Yeah. What does mind universe about everybody? Like, he says, don't worry, they're going to be just fine about sun and Jin. Right. 

Amanda:
[00:29:27 - 00:29:35] And then he said, you can't help them yet when it came to Sawyer, Jackie. So it's like, again, I actually do think it would have been a cool episode per second. 

Kip:
[00:29:36 - 00:29:43] Yeah. Because it kind of gives us a glimpse of what's coming and. Yeah. I don't know why they switched it. Maybe I can find out. 

Amanda:
[00:29:43 - 00:29:57] Because that's interesting. Like, you know, maybe they just thought they wanted to build on, like, the momentum. The momentum of Sawyer, Jack, Kate. But it's not bad to break that up a little bit, too, and give us a little bit more of a weight to see what's happening with. 

Theresa:
[00:29:57 - 00:30:07] I think it would have been good to break it up. I think it was just a lot of cage. A lot of cage under what. Where was. Where the aquarium. 

Kip:
[00:30:07 - 00:30:11] Is that where they were, Jack? Yeah. He's in some sort of aquarium. 

Theresa:
[00:30:11 - 00:30:18] Yeah. Like, it wouldn't. It would have been good to break that up with this episode. 

Amanda:
[00:30:20 - 00:30:28] What do we think really, about this polar bear thing? Oh, like, I thought that was a little, like, a little silly. 

Kip:
[00:30:29 - 00:30:31] I mean, the CGI has gotten a little bit better. 

Amanda:
[00:30:34 - 00:30:42] That he. Does it make sense that a polar bear would take him like that? Because he also said, like. Like, I don't. They took him or whatever. Like, I felt like, why would it. 

Theresa:
[00:30:42 - 00:30:45] Be more to it drag and then. 

Kip:
[00:30:45 - 00:30:46] Keep him just alive? 

Theresa:
[00:30:47 - 00:30:54] Especially if he already has a boar that is. Is. Is its active kill. Like, also, Echo doesn't look that hurt. 

Amanda:
[00:30:54 - 00:30:59] Like, unless that's what they were trying to tell us with the active kill that they do. Like, maybe polar bears are known for that. I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:30:59 - 00:31:52] Yeah. I don't know. But, like, so kind of what you had said at the Beginning of all this, Amanda, is you don't remember what happened to these people at the end of season two. So we don't know. Except that they were in the hatch and everything goes white or purple and there's this loud rumble, and so we have no idea. Oh. And then I think it ended with the hatch door smash and then landing on the beach next to Claire or something like that. So we are implying that it, like, exploded or something, but they're potentially dead. Except I think Charlie comes back at the end of season two, and he's all. Because I remember us being annoyed at how, like, flippant he was, just, like, not serious. Cause Claire's asking. He's like, oh, they didn't show up or whatever. Or was that. No, that had to been season two, because it hasn't happened yet. So we don't know. Except that they were in the hatch when it. And Desmond turned the fail safe key and everything went white and. 

Theresa:
[00:31:53 - 00:31:53] Right. 

Kip:
[00:31:53 - 00:31:57] So. And that was echo. Desmond and Locke. 

Amanda:
[00:31:58 - 00:32:02] And then we see when Locke's waking up that Desmond's running around naked. Naked. 

Kip:
[00:32:02 - 00:32:02] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:32:03 - 00:32:07] And then. So he knows. I guess Desmond's okay. 

Kip:
[00:32:07 - 00:32:07] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:32:07 - 00:32:13] So his idea is that he has to fight. But like you said, and I guess, like, he got blown away and that's why he sticks in a tree. 

Kip:
[00:32:14 - 00:32:18] So, like. But why did the bear take him? I don't know. It seems. 

Theresa:
[00:32:19 - 00:32:20] It's very odd. 

Kip:
[00:32:20 - 00:32:33] It just seems like. Yeah, there's. They're reaching for just plot points at this point. Why did Desmond's clothes come off but he's not burned or anything? We don't find out. He just woke up naked. 

Theresa:
[00:32:33 - 00:32:37] Yeah. Like, why isn't Locke naked? Echo. Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:32:37 - 00:32:45] Just Desmond. Right. Maybe he took them off in a confused state. 

Theresa:
[00:32:45 - 00:32:46] He's like, goodbye, clothes. 

Amanda:
[00:32:47 - 00:32:50] Well, I mean, there's lots going on with Desmond. 

Kip:
[00:32:50 - 00:32:51] I know. Oh, yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:32:51 - 00:32:52] Desmond's stuff is cool. 

Kip:
[00:32:52 - 00:32:53] Okay. That's the best part of the episode. 

Amanda:
[00:32:53 - 00:32:53] It is the best. 

Theresa:
[00:32:53 - 00:32:54] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:32:54 - 00:33:03] Yeah. So Hurley runs into Desmond and tells him to put one of his old shirts on. I liked your point about. Oh, yeah. What do they carry in their bags? I guess more clothes. 

Theresa:
[00:33:03 - 00:33:05] Yeah. Because they always have bags. 

Kip:
[00:33:05 - 00:33:06] Always. 

Amanda:
[00:33:07 - 00:33:08] That was nice. 

Kip:
[00:33:08 - 00:33:10] Yeah. I like their attraction. 

Theresa:
[00:33:10 - 00:33:11] He's such a sweetheart. 

Kip:
[00:33:12 - 00:33:17] When he's walking through, he's like, hello, bear. So cute. 

Amanda:
[00:33:18 - 00:33:25] But yeah. So then he has that conversation with Desmond, and Desmond says, you know, the Locke gave this nice speech about going after. 

Kip:
[00:33:25 - 00:33:26] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:33:26 - 00:33:31] And then Hurley's like, no, he didn't. And then at the end of the episode. 

Kip:
[00:33:32 - 00:33:32] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:33:33 - 00:33:34] Does Give that speech. 

Kip:
[00:33:34 - 00:33:48] I love the build up of. Of or the origin of Desmond's, like, season three arc here. Yeah, it's really good. And just like this, that look towards the end of him just skipping rocks on the ocean. 

Amanda:
[00:33:48 - 00:33:50] Yeah. Like carefree kind of. 

Kip:
[00:33:50 - 00:33:54] Yeah. Hurley's thinking, like, something odd about this guy right now. 

Amanda:
[00:33:54 - 00:34:08] And I love a few things about that. I. I do think it's funny because I was saying that there's not enough the exposition in this episode, but then we're like, beat over the head with it at the end. Because, like you said, you're like, why? In your streaming conscious, you're like, why did he need to say that? It was like a nice speech or something. 

Kip:
[00:34:08 - 00:34:08] I thought that too. 

Amanda:
[00:34:08 - 00:34:13] Because it's like they very much want us to remember that he had said that. 

Theresa:
[00:34:13 - 00:34:15] No, I know, but it's like, why. 

Kip:
[00:34:15 - 00:34:20] I don't think it would have been Charlie who just spent the whole episode, like, shitting in his face. Like, to John Locke. 

Theresa:
[00:34:20 - 00:34:20] Just. 

Kip:
[00:34:20 - 00:34:26] I'm like, oh, yeah, that guy's got class. Like, no, he would be like, fuck him. Still, someone else should have said that. 

Theresa:
[00:34:26 - 00:34:26] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:34:26 - 00:34:28] To beat us over the head with it. But whatever. 

Amanda:
[00:34:28 - 00:34:46] Like, so. But I. I like the subtlety of, like, Hurley picking up on that even. Because, like, some people would have still been like, oh, just because he thought he gave a nice speech before and hadn't and now he does give one. Like, a lot of people would have just been like, okay, yeah, he's not thought about it. 

Kip:
[00:34:46 - 00:34:53] Or like. And it would have been easy for Hurley just to accept he's still a little shook up after whatever happened to the hatch. Right. 

Amanda:
[00:34:53 - 00:34:56] But he's like, picking up on the fact that that's, like, really weird. 

Kip:
[00:34:56 - 00:34:56] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:34:56 - 00:35:10] Because Hurley is, like, quite observant. Right. So I like that they're kind of giving him a little bit of, like, depth in that. Of like, he's the smarty pants. Right. Being like, what's going on here? Like, yeah, I like that. That was cool. 

Kip:
[00:35:10 - 00:35:37] It's kind of weird to see that imploded crater of the hatch when half of season one is where trying to figure out how they can get into this hatch and the mysteries of the hatch. All of season two. The hatch is like a central location, and it's like one of the. The most famous locations of another character. Yeah, exactly. And now it's gone. Like, just gone. 

Amanda:
[00:35:38 - 00:35:40] Yeah, I know. Like, rip Hatch. 

Kip:
[00:35:40 - 00:35:57] Yeah. Hatch is gone. You know, it's crazy. And I mean, it's like, I think that also speaks something to the show of them, like writing off characters. They're writing off locations too. Like, it could have been easy to keep that set, to make things easy and convenient for them. But it's like, no, the hatch's gotta go. 

Amanda:
[00:35:57 - 00:35:58] No one is safe. 

Kip:
[00:35:58 - 00:35:59] Not even the hatch. 

Amanda:
[00:35:59 - 00:36:00] Not even the hatch. 

Theresa:
[00:36:00 - 00:36:04] Also, their seemingly endless supply of everything is now gone. 

Kip:
[00:36:04 - 00:36:06] Well, the stuff should still come, but. 

Theresa:
[00:36:06 - 00:36:08] I mean, like, they're not gonna get. 

Kip:
[00:36:08 - 00:36:12] Like, pen and paper and they don't have that. That brand new washer and dryer anymore. 

Theresa:
[00:36:12 - 00:36:14] Yeah, no shower. 

Kip:
[00:36:14 - 00:36:17] I know. They're back to season one. Beach living. 

Amanda:
[00:36:17 - 00:36:22] Maybe that's what it was. They're like, oh, they're living too large here we got a luxury. Throw a wrench into it. 

Kip:
[00:36:22 - 00:36:23] Yeah, exactly. 

Amanda:
[00:36:23 - 00:36:33] But that was. Let's talk about. We just talked about how Desmond was the highlight of character and moments. Can we talk about yet again, what is the low point? Which is what is Charlie doing? 

Kip:
[00:36:33 - 00:36:34] What's his problem? 

Theresa:
[00:36:34 - 00:36:36] He never shuts the up. 

Kip:
[00:36:36 - 00:36:37] Can't stand him. 

Amanda:
[00:36:37 - 00:36:39] And he needs a haircut. 

Theresa:
[00:36:41 - 00:36:43] So we both just paused. 

Amanda:
[00:36:44 - 00:36:48] I'm like, okay, I don't say that often, but for some reason I think just cuz he's a jerk. 

Kip:
[00:36:48 - 00:36:49] The mom. 

Amanda:
[00:36:49 - 00:36:51] I like. I'm like, get a haircut, jerk. 

Kip:
[00:36:51 - 00:36:56] Get a haircut. No, he just annoys me anytime he's on screen. Like. 

Amanda:
[00:36:56 - 00:37:02] Like, it is frustrating from his point of view. That lock like, shits on him so much and then needs his help. Like, I get that. But like, then don't help. 

Kip:
[00:37:02 - 00:37:18] Like, just feel like you're on your own. Yeah, see, I hate you. And then just like. Yeah, that whole, like, don't you remember when you're punching me in the face? Like, you're not innocent, Charlie. Like, you said, Teresa, you were holding up over water, crashing waves in the. 

Theresa:
[00:37:18 - 00:37:18] Middle of the night. 

Kip:
[00:37:19 - 00:37:19] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:37:19 - 00:37:27] Stole a baby. And you're the victim. You son of a. Like, no. And that's. 

Amanda:
[00:37:27 - 00:37:37] I think my. My big issue with Charlie is like, there's so many times that Charlie's not in the wrong, necessarily. But then he, like, has to make it worse. Like, he can't just, like, let something go. Right. 

Kip:
[00:37:37 - 00:37:48] And like, we've talked about it before how he wants to be this, like, father figure to Aaron, he wants to be a partner to Claire. It's like, then why are you running into the jungle after a polar bear with John Locke? 

Theresa:
[00:37:48 - 00:37:50] Yeah. Makes no sense. 

Kip:
[00:37:50 - 00:37:58] Stay at the beach. Then he's telling you not even to come. It's dangerous. And you're like, I can do whatever the. I Want. I'm Charlie. And it's like, why. Why are you putting yourself in danger, you idiot? 

Amanda:
[00:37:59 - 00:38:00] What are you trying to prove? 

Kip:
[00:38:00 - 00:38:02] Exactly. Yeah, I can't stand that. 

Theresa:
[00:38:02 - 00:38:27] Especially because in this. Because, like, at least before, he was like, I need to take care of them by, you know, running off to figure out who did this to them or whatever. I can't remember why he was like, running in the jungle with them and wanted a gun. But at least then you could kind of justify his, like, thought process to be like, I'm gonna do this for them. But like, what's. What's. What's the goal here? Like, you can't say that you're trying to find Echo for Claire. 

Kip:
[00:38:27 - 00:38:28] No, exactly. 

Theresa:
[00:38:28 - 00:38:31] Like, it's not gonna benefit either of them in any way. 

Kip:
[00:38:31 - 00:38:32] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:38:33 - 00:38:40] So I know it was. It felt weird. And he is just. It's just constant questions from this guy. 

Amanda:
[00:38:42 - 00:38:43] Constantly changing. 

Theresa:
[00:38:43 - 00:38:45] It's non stop questions. 

Kip:
[00:38:45 - 00:38:46] Oh, my God. 

Amanda:
[00:38:48 - 00:38:53] Let's talk about some head cannon. Which is a new terminology that Kip introduced to Teresa and I today. 

Theresa:
[00:38:53 - 00:38:58] Yes, that's new. Wait, we didn't finish talking about the. The polar bear cave. Echo. 

Kip:
[00:38:59 - 00:39:03] Oh, well, I mean, yeah. I mean, John sprays him with hairspray. 

Theresa:
[00:39:03 - 00:39:07] And then saves Echo. And then Echo wakes up creepily. 

Amanda:
[00:39:07 - 00:39:08] Well, I think that's in his head. 

Theresa:
[00:39:08 - 00:39:09] Wakes up. 

Kip:
[00:39:09 - 00:39:10] You think so? 

Amanda:
[00:39:10 - 00:39:11] I think that's in John's. 

Kip:
[00:39:11 - 00:39:12] Oh, I thought maybe. 

Theresa:
[00:39:12 - 00:39:13] Was he still sweat lodging? 

Kip:
[00:39:13 - 00:39:16] No, but the island was speaking to. 

Theresa:
[00:39:16 - 00:39:19] Him through an unconscious man. 

Kip:
[00:39:19 - 00:39:20] Yeah, it'll do that. 

Theresa:
[00:39:20 - 00:39:28] He's like, he's awake. He's like, no, he's not like, oh, we're really telling us what's happening. Fantastic. 

Kip:
[00:39:28 - 00:39:34] Yeah. Like, the cave was weird. I agree. Like toys and cadavers and skeletons. 

Theresa:
[00:39:34 - 00:39:41] It's very. How long has that bear been living there? How long do bear bears live for? 

Kip:
[00:39:41 - 00:39:43] It's got to be a long time. Oh, they're very large. 

Amanda:
[00:39:43 - 00:39:47] At the zoo right now is 29. She's in retirement. Okay, what's her name? Azo. 

Kip:
[00:39:47 - 00:39:48] I don't know. 

Theresa:
[00:39:48 - 00:39:49] I don't know. 

Amanda:
[00:39:50 - 00:39:51] You guys know about this bear? 

Kip:
[00:39:52 - 00:39:52] No. 

Theresa:
[00:39:52 - 00:39:53] Retire a bear. 

Amanda:
[00:39:53 - 00:39:57] Yeah. Some bears come to the zoo to retire because, like, we just have like. 

Kip:
[00:39:57 - 00:40:00] A world class bear den. 

Amanda:
[00:40:00 - 00:40:34] Polar bear program, I guess. And so there's a. I'm gonna look up her name. No, it's an important. You guys, it's important. She's really cute and she's retiring there. Anyway, she's 29, so in. In retirement. Ages. Yeah. See AGI or Aggie. A G E E. That might be a. In like a word I'm not using properly or name that means something that I'm not using properly. Age 29 year old Polar bear who is currently enjoying her golden years at the zoo. They made her a staircase so she could walk around. 

Kip:
[00:40:34 - 00:40:35] Oh, that's cute. 

Amanda:
[00:40:35 - 00:40:40] She's not on display or visible to the public is probably a nicer way to say. 

Theresa:
[00:40:40 - 00:40:41] No, I was going to say display. 

Amanda:
[00:40:42 - 00:40:43] The zoo is this zoo. 

Theresa:
[00:40:43 - 00:40:43] Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:40:43 - 00:40:49] It's still evil, but she lives there and they take care of her. That's to retire there. 

Theresa:
[00:40:49 - 00:40:51] What did, what did she do before that? She's retired. 

Kip:
[00:40:51 - 00:40:53] She probably would live in other zoos. 

Amanda:
[00:40:53 - 00:40:54] Or in the wild. 

Kip:
[00:40:55 - 00:41:00] Oh, no, they're not going to take a wild bear and retire her in the zoo. 

Amanda:
[00:41:00 - 00:41:01] I don't know. I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:41:01 - 00:41:03] I'm sure she was just at other zoos. 

Theresa:
[00:41:03 - 00:41:09] Yeah, that's what I'm getting like now in her retirement. Maybe like high traffic zoos or something. I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:41:09 - 00:41:11] Yes. What? A bank's not very high traffic. 

Theresa:
[00:41:11 - 00:41:11] No. 

Amanda:
[00:41:11 - 00:41:17] Oh, yeah. She must have been one of our. Oh, yeah. Our 29 year old Polar bear who is currently enjoying her golden years at the zoo. 

Kip:
[00:41:18 - 00:41:19] So at least three decades. 

Theresa:
[00:41:20 - 00:41:22] Okay, so that's 30 years. 

Kip:
[00:41:22 - 00:41:30] I mean, that kind of makes sense because 2004 and the Dharma Initiative was there in the 70s. Yeah, so. Or so we believe. 

Theresa:
[00:41:30 - 00:41:38] So 30s, but yeah. No, that was weird. I just, like I said, Echo seemed a little too intact for someone who. 

Kip:
[00:41:38 - 00:41:42] Was attacked by a bear and dragged by a bear who knows how far. 

Theresa:
[00:41:42 - 00:41:43] Well, exactly. 

Kip:
[00:41:43 - 00:41:43] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:41:43 - 00:41:45] And then they're playing tug of war with him. 

Kip:
[00:41:45 - 00:41:49] Yeah, that leg would have come off. You know how huge polar bears are. Like how strong and powerful. 

Theresa:
[00:41:50 - 00:41:52] Not stronger than John Locke, apparently. 

Kip:
[00:41:52 - 00:41:53] Are you? Go ahead. 

Amanda:
[00:41:53 - 00:42:02] I just, I'm like, I know we're kind of joking about or whatever, but like, is it supposed to mean something more? Like, is it? No, I don't think so. They said they took him. 

Kip:
[00:42:02 - 00:42:04] Like, yeah, that was just silly. 

Amanda:
[00:42:04 - 00:42:05] Like a misdirect. 

Theresa:
[00:42:05 - 00:42:08] Like at first I was like others and I was like, no, he wasn't with them. 

Amanda:
[00:42:08 - 00:42:23] They took him. Like it just like of all the things that came out on the Echo, it seemed kind of like goofy, right? Like, it's like of all the things happening on this island, all the deep level, like thought that goes into it, Echo is just dragged off by a polar bear. 

Kip:
[00:42:23 - 00:42:32] It just kind of feels like another cheap storyline. Just like the commune storyline. Like they didn't put in 100% or. 

Amanda:
[00:42:32 - 00:42:36] My other theory is as follows, because there's something we haven't talked about yet. 

Kip:
[00:42:36 - 00:42:37] Okay. What? 

Amanda:
[00:42:38 - 00:42:41] I'm disappointed in you, Kip, that you haven't brought it up yet. 

Kip:
[00:42:41 - 00:42:41] What? 

Amanda:
[00:42:42 - 00:42:44] Well, we met two new people. 

Kip:
[00:42:44 - 00:42:48] Oh, I have it here. I have it in my notes. Don't you worry. 

Amanda:
[00:42:48 - 00:42:55] We met the most important people to Grace Season 3. Nikki and Paulo are here. 

Kip:
[00:42:55 - 00:42:57] And Sexy, sexy Paulo. 

Theresa:
[00:42:57 - 00:43:03] Oh, God. When I saw his name come up in the credits, I was like, yeah. Yes. More I can do for Teresa. 

Kip:
[00:43:04 - 00:43:07] Yeah. Nick and Paola make their glorious introduction. 

Amanda:
[00:43:07 - 00:43:23] So we, for those who are watching for the first time that you did meet two new characters at the end of this episode, very briefly, throw away maybe characters kind of, if you wanted to, but I don't think you can even, because we're not used to it. So it's not a shock to say that they're going to be important to this show. 

Kip:
[00:43:23 - 00:43:27] And their introduction was very abrupt and, like, not well done. 

Amanda:
[00:43:28 - 00:43:53] So if you watch the documentary or know anything really about loss, you know that these two characters are polarizing, to say the least. Some of the staff, writing staff suggest that they were brought on because people had questions about, like, well, who are the rest of these people on this island that we're not hearing from? Because we see people in the background, we see other castaways, for lack of a better word. And this is, at least in some minds, whether it's a. 

Kip:
[00:43:54 - 00:44:16] Well, I think, retroactive belief, I think that is accurate that they were brought on to sort of answer that question of like, why do we never. Why is it only 15 people that we only ever hear from, like, the main characters. What. What are all the other people doing? But they're. What happens to them? Isn't I think, what you're thinking of? 

Amanda:
[00:44:16 - 00:44:52] Yeah. So is my question then is, is this polar bear storyline kind of in that same vein of like, because when we're watching the documentary and like, I've heard this in other interviews with, you know, Damon and Carlton and stuff. The idea is, like, by season three, you're getting all sorts of fan theories, fan questions, fan little comments. Lost was exceptionally well known for fandoms, fan boards, etc, and this was one of their way of answering one of those kind of fan questions of, like, where. What's everyone else doing on that? Is this polar bear storyline? Another vein of that of, like, people being like, what's with the polar bears? 

Kip:
[00:44:52 - 00:44:52] Could be. 

Amanda:
[00:44:53 - 00:45:00] Yeah, maybe, you know, like, oh, oh, how do the polar bears. Are they still there? We haven't heard about Them. And how do they survive? Is this that. 

Kip:
[00:45:00 - 00:45:01] It could be. 

Amanda:
[00:45:01 - 00:45:02] It seems so goofy to me. 

Kip:
[00:45:03 - 00:45:03] Out of place. 

Theresa:
[00:45:03 - 00:45:05] Echo got dragged off by a polar bear. 

Kip:
[00:45:05 - 00:45:25] Well, it's also funny how you kind of realize Hurley wasn't with them in that first episode when they. When Sawyer kills the polar bear. Right, Because. So he says, sawyer killed the polar bear, and he says, solar killed a polar bear. Wait, no. How did that happen? Because Hurley was surprised to hear about a polar bear or something. 

Amanda:
[00:45:25 - 00:45:26] I think Charlie and him have that. 

Kip:
[00:45:26 - 00:45:29] Conversation with polar bear. Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:45:29 - 00:45:30] Not Hurley. 

Kip:
[00:45:32 - 00:45:36] No, because Hurley's, like, kind of surprised to hear about a polar bear, so. 

Amanda:
[00:45:36 - 00:45:38] Maybe he just didn't know there were polars at all. 

Kip:
[00:45:38 - 00:45:39] Yeah. Or something like that. 

Amanda:
[00:45:40 - 00:45:40] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:45:40 - 00:45:43] Because he wasn't there when Sawyer. Sawyer killed it. 

Amanda:
[00:45:43 - 00:45:44] But Charlie was. 

Kip:
[00:45:44 - 00:45:57] Charlie was. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So maybe that. Maybe it was just like a. Oh, yeah. And don't forget, there's polar bears, and they randomly take people like the others do, which is really weird. 

Amanda:
[00:45:57 - 00:45:59] So those are a couple things we're. 

Kip:
[00:45:59 - 00:46:02] Gonna need a polar bear biologist on here to tell. I think this is natural. 

Theresa:
[00:46:02 - 00:46:12] I would like to ask some questions to this biologist. Like, do polar bears consistently do the whole active kill thing, like, all the. 

Amanda:
[00:46:12 - 00:46:13] Time that you could probably Google? 

Theresa:
[00:46:13 - 00:46:17] Or do they usually drag their prey off into their den? 

Amanda:
[00:46:17 - 00:46:33] Well, I'm wondering if that was what it was supposed to. By showing us the active kill, was to show us, like, because I'm sure there are people watching, being like, yeah, echo would be dead and eaten by now. But maybe the idea is to show us, like, oh, they, like, they're the kind of animals. Because I think there are some animals who, like, keep their food alive for a while. Right. 

Theresa:
[00:46:33 - 00:46:45] But, like, why wouldn't. But I think that's the part that I'm confused about, because, like, he. It's not like the boar was in the den too. It was just out in the open. So, like, why wasn't Echo out in the open or why wasn't the boar in the thing? 

Amanda:
[00:46:45 - 00:46:46] I don't know. 

Kip:
[00:46:46 - 00:47:10] I. Polar bears wait near seal breathing holes in the ice. When a seal comes up for air, the bear will swiftly strike and pull it out of the water. They will also stalk seals resting on ice and approach them slowly. Once close enough, they charge at high speeds to catch and kill. During birthing seasons, polar bears use their strong sense of smell to locate seal birthing dens under the stone ice. They break through the roof to capture the seal pups. 

Theresa:
[00:47:10 - 00:47:11] Oh, God. 

Kip:
[00:47:11 - 00:47:19] They are solitary hunters and rely on these active hunting methods. For survival. It doesn't really say anything about the active kill, though. 

Theresa:
[00:47:20 - 00:47:23] It just. Yeah, it's just inhibiting to me. 

Kip:
[00:47:24 - 00:47:26] Kill the seal and eat it right then and there. 

Theresa:
[00:47:26 - 00:47:28] Yeah, that's what I thought. 

Kip:
[00:47:28 - 00:47:29] That seems normal. 

Amanda:
[00:47:29 - 00:47:41] Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's just, I, I, I think the whole when e. What they've done with other characters, when they've been missing or when they've been hurt or when they've been whatever, just seemed a lot more intricate than. 

Kip:
[00:47:41 - 00:47:42] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:47:43 - 00:47:56] So, like, I do wonder if, like, part of it is just like, you want to know what happened with other characters? Here's Nikki and Paulo. You want to know what happened with the polar bears? They're dragging Echo off to eat them. Like, you guys. 

Kip:
[00:47:57 - 00:48:00] A middle finger. The fans. 

Theresa:
[00:48:00 - 00:48:01] Here you go. 

Amanda:
[00:48:01 - 00:48:08] We just watched a documentary about how great the fans are and how much they love the fans. And now we're just like, this was the episode where they're like the fandom. 

Kip:
[00:48:08 - 00:48:09] Exactly. Please shut up already. 

Amanda:
[00:48:09 - 00:48:11] Yeah. Anyway. 

Kip:
[00:48:11 - 00:48:26] Oh, that's funny. So, yeah, okay. I mean, we, we touched on Nikki and Paulo, who are going to be in this season a lot more. Teresa, be ready. Oh. So here's my trivia question. 

Theresa:
[00:48:26 - 00:48:26] Okay. 

Kip:
[00:48:26 - 00:48:33] Because it's related. What was the original introduction of Nikki and Paulo supposed to be? 

Theresa:
[00:48:36 - 00:48:38] I have no idea. 

Amanda:
[00:48:39 - 00:48:40] No. 

Kip:
[00:48:41 - 00:48:47] And this is a deleted scene. Claire finding them having sex in Jack's tent. 

Theresa:
[00:48:50 - 00:48:51] We have very. 

Kip:
[00:48:51 - 00:48:52] Why did you say ew? 

Theresa:
[00:48:52 - 00:48:54] Why would you do it in someone else's tent? Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:48:55 - 00:48:56] I wonder why they don't have their own tent. 

Kip:
[00:48:56 - 00:48:58] They must. They've been on this island for 69. 

Theresa:
[00:48:58 - 00:49:02] Yeah, they've got, they definitely have their. Everyone has their own, like, houses, essentially. 

Amanda:
[00:49:02 - 00:49:05] Well, there's not a lot to do there. Maybe they have to mix it up a little bit. 

Kip:
[00:49:05 - 00:49:06] Like, you want to do something crazy. 

Theresa:
[00:49:06 - 00:49:07] Why don't we, why don't. 

Kip:
[00:49:07 - 00:49:11] Jack's been abducted by the others. Let's go in his dick. 

Theresa:
[00:49:11 - 00:49:14] Why wouldn't you sayed sex den further down the beach. 

Amanda:
[00:49:14 - 00:49:18] That's disrespectful. That's now his homage to, to Shannon. 

Kip:
[00:49:18 - 00:49:19] It's also got ghosts in it. 

Amanda:
[00:49:19 - 00:49:20] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:49:20 - 00:49:21] Oh, yeah, I forgot about. 

Kip:
[00:49:21 - 00:49:22] I wouldn't go in there. 

Theresa:
[00:49:22 - 00:49:23] I don't want to have sex in there. 

Amanda:
[00:49:23 - 00:49:31] I, I, I think, I actually do think it was just the casualness with which they introduced them I actually think was good. 

Kip:
[00:49:31 - 00:49:33] Oh, really? Oh, I don't like it. 

Amanda:
[00:49:33 - 00:49:35] You didn't like it? You would rather find them having sex in Jackson? 

Kip:
[00:49:35 - 00:49:41] Well, it was just so abrupt. Like, just, like, these random people just come. Start talking like they're part of the group. 

Amanda:
[00:49:42 - 00:49:43] I think that's the idea. Right. 

Kip:
[00:49:43 - 00:49:47] No, I. I know, but it just. It feels off because we've never seen them. 

Amanda:
[00:49:47 - 00:49:48] You're not a part of my group. 

Theresa:
[00:49:49 - 00:50:10] I think. I think what would have been more successful? Because I kind of. I agree with both of you. Like, I like that it wasn't, like, you weren't, like, drawing a lot of attention to it. But I do agree, like, it was very abrupt. So maybe if they had been in the background of the scenes in the beginning of the episode, as opposed to them coming out and, like, just bombarding. 

Amanda:
[00:50:10 - 00:50:10] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:50:10 - 00:50:14] Yeah, Hurley. And then you're just kind of like, okay, well, these people are someone then. 

Kip:
[00:50:14 - 00:50:16] Because you're like. You're like, who are you to talk to Hurley like this. 

Theresa:
[00:50:16 - 00:50:18] Yeah. Like, where did you come from? 

Kip:
[00:50:18 - 00:50:18] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:50:18 - 00:50:20] Yeah. I do get that. 

Kip:
[00:50:20 - 00:50:30] I get that it makes sense the way they did it because they're supposed to have just been there forever, like. But, I mean, there's probably no right way to do it. It's a very tricky thing to do. 

Amanda:
[00:50:30 - 00:50:32] Well, there would have been one right way to do it. 

Kip:
[00:50:32 - 00:50:32] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:50:32 - 00:50:34] Jack's tent not doing it. 

Theresa:
[00:50:35 - 00:50:36] No. 

Amanda:
[00:50:36 - 00:50:38] As you guys know, that had to be done. 

Kip:
[00:50:38 - 00:50:42] It leads to one of the best episodes of the entire show and one of the best. 

Theresa:
[00:50:42 - 00:50:44] My new sound. 

Kip:
[00:50:45 - 00:50:46] But you can't do it till. 

Theresa:
[00:50:46 - 00:50:47] I can't do it until the episode. 

Kip:
[00:50:47 - 00:50:48] You can do it. 

Amanda:
[00:50:48 - 00:50:50] I couldn't do it. My name is Henry Gale. 

Kip:
[00:50:50 - 00:50:56] Yeah. So, I mean, kind of wraps it up. Do we know. We don't. Do we have much more to talk about? 

Theresa:
[00:50:56 - 00:50:57] Were we gonna talk about headcanon? 

Amanda:
[00:50:57 - 00:50:59] Yeah. Can you explain what head cannon is? 

Kip:
[00:51:00 - 00:51:40] I don't know. I just was, like, curious to hear what you're. So Headcanon is, like, when you just make something up that forms part of your backstory of the show. So, like, in the real canon of the world of Lost is that John met Helen at his anger management classes. But your head canon, if we didn't find that out, your head canon would be like, oh, I think John met Helen because they both went to pick up the same tomato at the grocery store or something. Right. You just make something up that you believe is something that helps you come to terms with the story. You either think it's funny or better or whatever. 

Amanda:
[00:51:40 - 00:51:40] Okay. 

Kip:
[00:51:40 - 00:51:51] So I was just, like, curious to hear what you would think how John got involved with this cult marijuana gang. What's your head canon story? 

Amanda:
[00:51:51 - 00:51:57] I think that him and Mary went to the grocery store and they both picked up the same tomato. 

Kip:
[00:51:57 - 00:51:58] Mary. 

Amanda:
[00:51:58 - 00:51:59] Isn't that the lady's name? 

Theresa:
[00:51:59 - 00:52:03] Jan. Mike and Jan. Mike. 

Amanda:
[00:52:03 - 00:52:08] I think him and Mike went to the grocery store and they both locked. 

Kip:
[00:52:08 - 00:52:09] Eyes, and it was. 

Amanda:
[00:52:09 - 00:52:14] I don't know, like. But that's what I mean about how it doesn't make sense. I don't actually. I can't even come up with. 

Theresa:
[00:52:14 - 00:52:15] I'll tell you how it happens. 

Kip:
[00:52:15 - 00:52:15] Yes. 

Amanda:
[00:52:15 - 00:52:16] Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:52:16 - 00:52:21] So John was at the grocery store. He was very dejected. 

Kip:
[00:52:21 - 00:52:22] Yeah. 

Theresa:
[00:52:22 - 00:52:28] And then he was walking outside, and then he was leaving the grocery store with his, like, sad bag of groceries. 

Kip:
[00:52:28 - 00:52:29] That, like, what was in it? 

Theresa:
[00:52:30 - 00:52:31] Nothing that great. 

Kip:
[00:52:32 - 00:52:35] Sad. Just like, sad things like. 

Theresa:
[00:52:35 - 00:52:37] Like produce that's going out, a can. 

Kip:
[00:52:37 - 00:52:41] Of pumpkin puree that's dented. 

Theresa:
[00:52:41 - 00:52:45] You know what I mean? Like, it would just be like. Just the sad. The sad stuff, you know, the 50. 

Kip:
[00:52:45 - 00:52:48] Off, like, coffee filters. 

Theresa:
[00:52:48 - 00:53:00] Yeah. Like, just kind of like. Like bare necessities. And then there's someone outside who's giving out pamphlets, and he's like, oh, are you looking for your new family? Or whatever. 

Kip:
[00:53:00 - 00:53:01] So direct. 

Theresa:
[00:53:01 - 00:53:11] And he's. Well, no, like, it would be like, more like, oh, hey, sir, like, do you want to hear about your new family? Whatever the. It's called their. Their commune, not their com. Their commune is called something. 

Kip:
[00:53:12 - 00:53:12] Okay. 

Theresa:
[00:53:12 - 00:53:49] Like, do you want to hear about Mike and Jan's commune or whatever? And he's like, no, there's no point in anything. And he's like, why do you say that, brother? And he's like, oh, you. You wouldn't believe me if I told you, blah, blah. And he's all, like, pissy. And he's like, well, we're. We're from. You know, we. We take everyone. We accept everyone, blah, blah. And he's like, slowly just kind of brought into the, like, mentality of the, like, people being like, you know, we create our own family no matter what happens. You know, like, we welcome everybody. Like, you should just come check us out one day. And then he. 

Kip:
[00:53:49 - 00:53:50] Invitation. 

Theresa:
[00:53:50 - 00:54:02] Yeah. Like, he was, like, kind of, like, dragged into it in a way that was like, I'm a sad, lonely man. Here are these people saying that, like, my life can turn around if I, like, just check it out. 

Kip:
[00:54:02 - 00:54:02] Okay. 

Amanda:
[00:54:03 - 00:54:09] I think they actually probably met him at his anger management. Like, I feel like they probably go to places like that and, like, people up. 

Theresa:
[00:54:09 - 00:54:11] Prey on the vulnerable. 

Kip:
[00:54:11 - 00:54:13] The vulnerable. Brutal Mike and Chance. 

Amanda:
[00:54:13 - 00:54:23] Like, I think that's like. But I'm also. I just read Bethany Joy Lenz's book, and she was in, like, a kind of culty thing, a high demand group, as they're called legally in the States. 

Theresa:
[00:54:23 - 00:54:24] High demand. 

Amanda:
[00:54:24 - 00:54:32] That's what, apparently, according to her book, you can't. The courts don't call them cults down there because it's, like, too hard to define. So they call them high demand groups. 

Theresa:
[00:54:32 - 00:54:33] What does that mean? 

Amanda:
[00:54:33 - 00:54:46] Yeah, like a group that demands a lot from you, I guess, like money and. Anyway. But a lot of them do start as, like, it sounds like. Like things like Bible studies and, like, counselings and stuff. Because. 

Kip:
[00:54:46 - 00:54:46] Pick on people. 

Amanda:
[00:54:46 - 00:55:07] They pick on people. So. And like, that is why, when he's like. Like he knew already that, like, that's why he was talking to him, because he knows that that's his own profile. Do you know what I mean? Like, he knows. He's. He. He wanted to hear Eddie say, no, it wasn't because we thought you were weak. Which is, like. Because he already knows. That's like, how. 

Kip:
[00:55:07 - 00:55:08] Yeah. 

Amanda:
[00:55:08 - 00:55:15] So it's just so sad because, like, John Lock continues to be taken advantage of because, like, he just wants that so badly. 

Theresa:
[00:55:15 - 00:55:16] It's so sad. 

Amanda:
[00:55:16 - 00:55:21] So, like, his dad can do it, his mom can do it, the cult can do it. Then even Eddie can do it, right? 

Kip:
[00:55:21 - 00:55:25] Like another sad tale and then sad. 

Amanda:
[00:55:25 - 00:55:33] Life, you know, John Locke, we're gonna see, unfortunately, that. That's. He's a lot stronger in a lot of ways, but he's still susceptible to. 

Kip:
[00:55:33 - 00:55:41] That, you know, Teresa is very concerned about what. Well, you'll find out. 

Amanda:
[00:55:41 - 00:55:43] Stay tuned. 

Theresa:
[00:55:44 - 00:55:45] Previously on Lost. 

Kip:
[00:55:45 - 00:55:47] All right, let's hear the Rankin. 

Theresa:
[00:55:48 - 00:56:38] Nothing too exciting this week, just because, you know. All right, here we go. At number 14, we have Charlie with negative 585. And we have Ben with negative 110, Juliet with negative 30. Then in the positives, we have Desmond with 400, Kate at number 10 with 590, Claret. Number nine with 780. Jack at number eight with 1130. Lock at number seven with 1160. Sawyer at number six with 1350. And then our top five remains the same with Jyn at 1425, sun at 1530, Echo at 16.95, Saeed at 1805. And Hurley still at our top spot with 2330. 

Kip:
[00:56:39 - 00:56:46] Yeah. So not. Not a huge movement of an episode. That's speaks to the kind of. Of the episode. 

Theresa:
[00:56:47 - 00:56:51] I think the only change is Jack and Locke flipped places. 

Kip:
[00:56:51 - 00:56:56] It's crazy to me. That locks in sixth place and Jackson seventh or eighth. 

Theresa:
[00:56:56 - 00:56:56] Yeah. 

Kip:
[00:56:56 - 00:56:57] Yeah. That's wild. 

Theresa:
[00:56:59 - 00:57:01] Sweet. Hurley's on the top. 

Amanda:
[00:57:01 - 00:57:02] Sweet Hurley. 

Theresa:
[00:57:02 - 00:57:03] Sweet baby hurls. 

Kip:
[00:57:03 - 00:57:32] All right, well, I don't know. I'm going to give it a seven. Like, I think it. I think. I think they. They did a disservice by switching it, like you say, Amanda. And I think it doesn't really move the story forward in any meaningful way, shape, or form, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, but how it was presented seems sloppy and kind of lazy and just going to give it a seven. 

Amanda:
[00:57:33 - 00:58:09] Yeah, I think I give it, like, a seven as well. Like, I think if they did some more, I think there's some teeth to it. And Locke is a compelling character, and his backstory is always compelling. It just. This one seemed to come out of left field a little bit. Like, it still tells us a lot about him, but it comes up a left field. I think. I think the theme of it could have been told differently. We still would have gotten the same out of it, but it would have maybe made a little bit more sense. But, you know, I still love. I'm so excited to see what comes. I know they're in a bit of a difficult place because they've got the characters kind of all spread out. 

Theresa:
[00:58:09 - 00:58:09] It's. 

Amanda:
[00:58:09 - 00:58:17] It's. It's a tough place where they kind of left themselves at the end of season two, so hopefully they can bring it all back together in the next couple episodes. 

Theresa:
[00:58:17 - 00:58:35] So funny for me, too. It's also seven two weeks in a row. Yeah. I think maybe these episodes really instill the same rankings in all of us. Similar to what you guys said. It's just kind of like. And. Yeah, just kind of. 

Kip:
[00:58:35 - 00:58:38] Okay, well, what's next week's episode? 

Theresa:
[00:58:38 - 00:58:39] Please be good. 

Amanda:
[00:58:39 - 00:58:41] Please be good. 

Kip:
[00:58:41 - 00:58:44] It is every man for himself. 

Amanda:
[00:58:46 - 00:58:48] It's got to be a Kate flashback. 

Kip:
[00:58:49 - 00:58:52] No, I don't know. Actually. It doesn't say. 

Theresa:
[00:58:53 - 00:59:00] Oh, I think it's. I think it's someone else. Oh, I know whose it is. He literally says in a flashback, well. 

Amanda:
[00:59:00 - 00:59:03] Kate's next episode is called what Kate does, Right? 

Theresa:
[00:59:04 - 00:59:05] Is that. 

Kip:
[00:59:05 - 00:59:15] No. All right. See ya. 

Theresa:
[00:59:15 - 00:59:15] Bye.