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Let's Get Lost with The Oceanic Three
We're your Oceanic Three: Theresa, Amanda, and Kip. Join us as we get in-depth about our favourite television show - Lost! We talk about everything: The Island, The Survivors, The Tailies, The Others, The Myths, The Theories, and on and on and on, but we also talk about how Lost changed the television landscape when it came out and how it still reverberates to this day.
Most of all, though, we always come back to how Lost is primarily a character-driven show. For every myth and mystery, five incredible character stories were told. They were complex, mysterious, beautiful, and sometimes challenging to watch - but the characters and their interwoven lives brought Lost to a different level unlike anything ever seen on television.
We would love it if you joined us as we get in-depth about all the Losties, what makes them tick, why they do what they do, and ultimately - what they're doing on the Island.
Let's Get Lost with The Oceanic Three
Let's Get Lost 80 - Season 4: There's No Place Like Home Part 1
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They make it off the island and somehow the story still feels like the most dangerous part. For our 80th episode of Let’s Get Lost, we recap Lost Season 4 Episode 12, “There’s No Place Like Home Part One,” where the Oceanic Six reunite with their families, face a press conference, and start building the lie that will haunt them for years.
We dig into the details that instantly don’t add up, from the “washed up together” narrative to Aaron’s age, and why the show wants us to notice the cracks. We also follow the flash forwards that hit hardest: Hurley pulling Saeed into a family moment, Sun taking control with a ruthless confrontation, and Jack getting blindsided by a truth that reframes everything about Claire and Aaron. It’s one of those Lost moments where the acting does the heavy lifting, and you can see a character’s whole future start to tilt.
On the island, the pacing turns into pure crisis management. Jack pushes forward while injured, Sawyer shows how far he’s come, Ben insists he always has a plan, and the Orchid looms larger as everyone splinters into different directions. Meanwhile, the freighter plot flips from “escape route” to “trap” fast, especially once Michael reappears and a terrifying cache of C4 comes into view. We also shout out Michael Giacchino’s score and why the “There’s No Place Like Home” theme becomes an emotional spine for the series.
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Welcome To The 80th Episode
AmandaWe're three best friends and we love lost and we love talking.
KipBut even more so, we love talking about lost.
TheresaSo join us for some good conversation, laughs, and let's get lost together. Together.
KipHello, everybody. Welcome. Welcome to a very special edition of Let's Get Lost. My special edition, I mean it's our 80th. Cool. Hey.
TheresaCan you guys hear me properly?
KipAbsolutely.
TheresaI think it's just me then. Yeah, we can hear you.
AmandaSo I'm excited by the 80th episode.
KipPretty cool. So welcome to our 80th, where we're talking about uh a very special episode. It's a very good one, as they all are. But I'm Kip, as you probably know by now. And I'm with Amanda.
AmandaThat's me.
KipAnd Teresa.
AmandaHi.
KipAnd we're three best friends sitting in a room talking about lost. And which episode are we talking about today, Amanda?
AmandaWe are talking about There's No Place Like Home Part One, which is episode 12 of season four. And it leads into the second part, which for some people watching it, it might be two parts. But essentially, it's broken down on the DVD box set and how it was aired on TV was there was a part one and then a part two. And so we're talking about part one today, which was written by Damon Lidlov and Carlton Cues and directed by Stephen Williams. And it is about the Oceanic Six face overwhelming odds when they are flung to disparate parts of the island. Sun and Jin arrive at the freighter as Desmond and Michael make a shocking discovery. In a flash forward, the Oceanic Six are you reunited with their families and take part in a press conference that begins the deception.
TheresaYeah.
KipYeah, pretty crazy. I'm so sorry. There was something I was gonna bring up in the intro. Oh I do the intro so rarely that I forgot.
TheresaOkay. Wasn't that thing that you were gonna mention last week?
KipThe question. Oh no,
Pilot Quiz And Memory Spirals
Kipit wasn't. Do you remember what it is? Uh I'll mention that second. Oh, the suspense. First. Uh I sent you both a quiz today.
AmandaI know I didn't do it.
KipOh my memory is not good, though, you guys.
AmandaThe little bit I took.
KipIt wasn't bad. No, my memory's not good. Okay. Some of them were tough. Like I got, what did I get? You got like four wrong.
TheresaThat's it.
AmandaYou guys I should do it live on the You should.
KipSo I got 23 out of 27. Teresa, you only got 21 out of 27, like not much worse than me.
TheresaThat's significantly worse. Yeah.
KipThat's only two less.
AmandaOkay. I'm gonna this is the one though, right? It's 27 questions.
Kip27 question quiz about the pilot. Pilot episode. So the very first episode. Yeah. Um, there's 27 questions. Are you gonna read the questions out?
AmandaUm, I'll I'll read some because I already started it, and so we're on question three. The first question was it sound like you were halfway through. You did. I was like, oh, okay, I guess I wasn't doing well. So the first question was You weren't doing well at something. I know, unless I'm embarrassed, you guys. But essentially, it's out of 27. I'm on question three. I already am doing a 50%. I got the first one right and the second one wrong. So the first question was about whose eye you see. Easy. Easy peasy, Jack.
TheresaYeah.
AmandaThe second question was Jack has something in his pocket. What is it? And I said wedding ring, and I don't know why I said that.
KipOkay, absolutely not. No, I I almost picked there was a second, I'm like, was it a wedding ring? No. And then I'm like, no, no, it was a bottle of booze. But yeah, I thought wedding ring at first, too, for some weird reason.
TheresaNo.
AmandaSo then question three is Jack bursts out of the jungle onto the beach and is confronted with chaos. Which character gets dangerously close to the still-spinning jet engine near the start of the crash? That's either Boone, Sawyer, Hurley, or Charlie. Guys, I don't know what I'm doing. Is it Charlie?
KipI'm not gonna tell you. This might take a while.
AmandaYeah.
The Jack T-Shirt Debate
AmandaI mean, maybe Okay.
TheresaMaybe circle back. Okay, you guys talk about it to yourself. If I find a good question, tell me the question from last week.
KipOkay, the question from last week, if I'm remembering correctly. You're not even sure. Well, I remember the question. I'm trying to remember the inspiration. The question is, I want a custom t-shirt of Jack. But I don't know what like still to use because there was a moment, I think, in last week's episode where I'm like, oh, that would look good on a t-shirt. Where he was doing something or in or involved in something, and now I can't remember because I should have asked it last week. He wasn't right, Teresa. But now I can't remember what this what the still was.
TheresaSo now anyway, I wasn't even in the episode that much last week.
KipWas it the surgery episode last week? No, the ab in fever. So maybe it was the week before, I was thinking. But that also wasn't a great.
TheresaMaybe it was of Juliet shaving his lower abdomen.
KipI just want his abs. I mean But so anyway, I'm I'm I want to get a Jack t-shirt. I just gotta decide which image of Jack to use.
TheresaHere's what I'm thinking. Season two.
KipOh.
TheresaI think season two. Jack working out in that underground part area. Wasn't that season two?
KipSeason three. That was season two. Yeah, the area.
TheresaWhere he's working out with the chains coming from.
KipOh no, that's season three. Yeah, season three season three whenever Juliet is around. Yeah, season three.
AmandaSome of these are so easy and some are so hard, you guys. Vincent being the name of Watts Dog. Like, come on.
KipYeah.
AmandaBut then I'm supposed to remember how old the kid Jack performs surgery on.
KipI got that one wrong too. So what I think what I think I'll do is like maybe one still from each season.
AmandaOh, that would be.
KipAnd then I'll have six Jack shirts. So if you're going if you're gonna pick a character to put on a shirt, who are you picking?
TheresaWell, it would change.
KipOh because but you can only pick one.
TheresaPer season? No. Like you're one character.
KipFor the whole for for all six t-shirts.
TheresaWell, then I'm gonna have nothing on my shirt for two of them.
KipNo, it doesn't have to be your favorite character. It can be any character.
TheresaBut I thought you said it had to be the same character all six seasons.
KipYeah, well, some characters are in it for all six seasons.
AmandaBut I don't want well, you can have three seasons. You can have three stills of um Mr. Echo.
TheresaWell, no, I didn't want Mr. Echo. I wanted Juliet.
AmandaOh, fair enough.
KipI would put no, it has to be from the core. From the core? Vincent. Oh, he's not in every season. Oh my god, but that must be really good. He must make an appearance at least. I feel like he has to. Yeah, he must. It's so few and far between. How's it going over there?
TheresaNot good, you guys. Not good. I'm almost done. I I want to say Vincent.
KipUm, I'm not.
TheresaIs that not a core?
KipI yeah. Okay.
AmandaOkay, you guys, this is just not doing I just guessed that one of the a number for one of these would be 42. And it wasn't what was the question? How many passengers survived?
KipOh, I got that one wrong too, I think.
TheresaI got it right.
KipYeah, you must be close.
AmandaYeah, because I mean I'm really gonna be embarrassed about this.
TheresaSo you guys seem like you're like really freaking out.
KipYou're doing it so quick, though, under under pressure.
TheresaI did mine quickly too, though.
KipYeah, me too.
TheresaBut like also, like, I feel like she's overthinking a little bit. Probably.
AmandaOh my god.
TheresaYes, me. You know, we're we have a lost podcast.
AmandaI know, but it's been so long. Okay, last question just for everyone. My memory is the worst. The last question is where is the pilot's body found at the very end of the episode?
TheresaEasy peasy.
AmandaHigh in the tree treetops. Okay, okay, you guys. What did you get? Oh, not good. 17 out of 27. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We should put it in our a link in our lot.
TheresaYeah, obviously.
AmandaBut like number how old I forgot that she fixed drapes. I said she fixed her jeans.
KipI picked drapes, but I also thought jeans there's gotta be a gene thing.
TheresaBecause I think he says, Yeah, I'll fix a pair of jeans and she's I fixed my drapes, Max. That's right. That's what it is.
AmandaUm, I got that one wrong. I got um the how old the kid in his story was I got that one wrong too. I got how many people he guessed were still alive.
KipDid you get transponder transceiver?
AmandaNo, I got that wrong, but I didn't I didn't put transponder, I put satellite phone.
TheresaNo, the sat phone is now.
AmandaNo, I know that's probably why. But there's been discussions of sat phones before. No, not really, not until uh there's a lot of pressure, and I was trying to listen to what you guys were saying too, and I watched get in the but I would get Sawyer on a t-shirt.
KipThat's you just wanted to finish so you could.
AmandaI want to talk about Sawyer on my teacher. So just kidding, I would put Richard, who by the way, we get to talk about today again, which is great.
KipAll right.
AmandaOh man. Anyway, we'll put that on it. I'm very impressed with you that you got 23.
KipI mean, I mean, I've seen it lots of times. It's the my most watched episode because I've watched all the seasons. Starting with season one. Starting with season one.
AmandaEvery time a season would come out, you'd start over.
KipOh, that's amazing.
AmandaSo season six, therefore, is your least watched.
KipI think I've only seen it twice.
TheresaI'm impressed that I got 23, considering I don't remember anything ever. That is my memory, I'm gonna for sure gonna get like dementia.
AmandaWe're like, oh, I don't say that because I am for sure getting dementia then.
TheresaWhy she gets it?
KipDo you get it?
TheresaIt's not good. Her memory is so good.
AmandaMy memory is not good.
KipI don't think it's contagious, just for the record.
TheresaYou know that like half the time I don't know what's happening.
AmandaYou remember that I was annoyed about something that happened in a social we went to 10 years ago.
KipYou do have a good memory.
AmandaYou do and I don't know when we went to that social and you were mad because that guy touched your waist. I'm like, when? I don't know, before this wedding, and the people have been married since 2018.
TheresaAlso, I think it's a very angry reaction, it's very memorable.
KipAnd then she touched my waist. Memory, like your current state of memory has anything to do with whether or not you get dementia.
AmandaNo, it really doesn't. Just might demonstrate if you're already in the third early onset.
KipAll right, per chance. So speaking of dementia, in no way, shape, or form. Let's
Finale Context And Critical Praise
Kipgive some information about this uh episode. There's no place like home. Part one. IMDB 8.9 out of 10. Ooh, good viewers 13.6 million. We had two nicknames from Sawyer today. Genghis. It was one, yes. Yahoo. I didn't count that one. Uh that's more of like a who do you call Genghis?
TheresaMiles. Miles. Oh, yeah, it's not good. No, that's not good.
AmandaI was like, oh no.
TheresaThat's the only one I can remember.
KipShaggy.
TheresaOh.
AmandaOh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Sugger. Sugger.
KipUm, and then I just wanted to read a few, because this is the part one of the finale, of a three-part finale. Just wacky. Uh, it's a pretty integral, important episode. And very well highly regarded. And some of the critical reception um from the time it was aired, I just wanted to read because it just sort of sets the tone of like the stakes and how good it's getting. Always been good, but anyway. Uh, Los Angeles Times praised Michael Giacchino's musical score, writing that I'm reminded of the heights of emotion this series can evoke.
AmandaIt's very emotional.
KipWe'll get to the board later. Jarrett Weiselman of the New York Post asked, How brilliant was Sun's smackdown of her bad daddy?
AmandaOh, Teresa is so she's like, oh yeah! Like something like that. I hated that. Something like that.
KipInaccurate. I have thoughts on that scene. Oh. We'll get into. Um The Star Ledger, which I don't know where that newspaper is from, wrote that when lost is at its best, it manages to balance revelations with great character moments. I don't know that I'd put this one, part one, in the pantheon of the greatest episodes, but it's definitely a setup for some of them. But like parts two and three. But it was definitely in the spirit of what I love about the show. And then, of course, lots of praise about Matthew Fox's performance when he gets the info about Claire.
AmandaHis performance overall was good.
KipYeah. Uh, like they said, brilliant acting. Fox played Jack's Anguish beautifully. Uh, contender for Fox's single best moment in the history of the show. And uh Kristen DeSantos gave Fox mad props. Fox hasn't been given much of an opportunity to stretch his acting muscles this season, but he gives a fabulous performance in this season.
AmandaI disagree with that, honestly. I thought he did really good in his like his um centric episodes.
KipI thought so too. I think he's a great actor. I I don't think he's had less opportunity to show his acting chops since.
AmandaThey're probably just still mad about that we have to go back.
KipYeah, yeah.
AmandaBut like his centric episode with Kate was very well. He plays like paranoid like he plays nuanced emotion actually very well.
KipWell, because I was just thinking like uh the last or two episodes ago, or maybe three even, when he sort of like finds out they're not there to take them off the island, and like he realizes how wrong he was, and just like the his acting in that scene was very nuanced, like you're saying, and just like so it was like a gut punch you could feel.
TheresaAnd it was very like complex because like I think he was also sick at the time. Yes, exactly. So I remember thinking, like, are you gonna throw up? Are you gonna cry? Yeah, are you sick? Are you gonna kill some? Like, it was just there were so many emotions in like one moment.
AmandaAnd his acting when he was sick was actually quite good too. And then going back even to the kid, now we're just talking about how I disagree with this woman's assessment that all of his acting hasn't been good. Was now when he says to her, like, you're not even related to him. I'm not sure exactly when he's finding this information out in relation to that comment, but I'm like, I can't tell by how he acted that. Yeah, like it's you know, sometimes they like make like very obvious like wink winks at the audience for stuff, but like they don't really do that on this show, and the actors don't overact anything.
KipNo, no, no, no. It was really well done.
AmandaSo I'm glad he's getting some recognition.
KipAnd we're days 99 to 100 on the island. Wacky. I don't know, crazy.
AmandaSo I don't understand how this works either because the timing is just we need to talk about the time all over the place. Because that baby being five weeks old, I know that they're like exaggerating it, but that baby, no, I guess they're not. No, they're not that under. Yeah.
KipBecause it was way bigger on the island, wasn't it? Like back in the day, you always used to comment how big that baby is.
AmandaThat's what I mean. Like, there's no way that that baby's only five weeks old.
KipOh, I see what you're saying.
TheresaYeah. Like, but I think that's I mean, we've always said that though. I mean, he's been that size for since the beginning.
AmandaBut they've been on the island for like a hundred or like three months. Three months over three months. Ten days. Yeah, he wasn't born two months into their stay there, was he?
KipYeah, it was like pretty quick, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. Because it was season one.
TheresaIt was season one, you're right.
AmandaYeah, I think probably like 45 days or like that baby is probably at least. Oh, I guess that is only five weeks.
KipIt might also be they're saying five weeks because they've crafted a separate timeline for the Oceanic Six story.
TheresaBut even that doesn't make a lot of sense, to be frank.
Why ABC Made Fans Wait
TheresaAll right.
AmandaAnyway, do is there trivia? Yeah, no. Oh, yeah. Sorry, we got trivia. Is it about that? Because I won't be able to figure anything out of timeline really.
KipNo, no, it's not. Okay. Why did ABC air part one on May 15th, 2008, but hold parts two and three back for two full weeks until May 29th to air it? That's harsh.
TheresaThat's a long time to wait. That's there had to have been something.
KipI'll give you a hint. Yes. There was something that they didn't want to compete with on the air.
AmandaWhere what year did this come out?
KipWell, this was 2008.
AmandaMay of 2008.
TheresaI can't think of anything that happened in May 2008.
AmandaWas that some sort of sport?
TheresaNo.
AmandaOh.
TheresaSome kind of presidential thing. No.
AmandaI don't know.
TheresaThe Olympics. In May? I don't I don't know. I'm just naming. No.
KipOkay. It was to avoid compete. There's two reasons. The main one. To avoid competing with season four finale of Grey's Anatomy.
TheresaOh, that's fair. I wouldn't. Yeah, that's alright.
AmandaAren't they on the same network though?
KipWhich aired, yeah. Also on ABC. But then they also did it apparently to give time, uh, the post-production team enough time to edit the massive amount of finale footage rushed out after the strike crunch.
AmandaWait, why would they be able to do that?
KipSo because of the strike, they mixed up some of the the some of the orders, and I guess they decided to air Grayson Alley instead. Finale instead of lost.
AmandaSo you said parts two and three. So I'm confused because on like I said, on Disney Plus, it's part one, two, and three. In the box set, there's a part one and a part two. Did it air?
KipIt aired. Part two and three aired together as a two-hour season finale. But part one is like a standalone part one. Standalone part one.
AmandaSo when they say part two being one in the on the DVDs, they've just instead of making that technically two episodes that were aired together, they made it one.
KipYeah. It's it's they in the DVDs, they've had it as one two-hour episode. Okay.
AmandaOkay. It does again, this none of this is that important um in terms of like figuring it out, but just for my own sense of like how it aired. Yes. It's like we're we're gonna get to the episodes when we get to them, but I just do find it interesting. I like knowing what people were kind of left with.
KipYeah.
AmandaWell, yeah, now knowing that they have to wait.
KipConsidering what they're left with after this episode, two weeks.
TheresaThat's mean.
KipYeah.
TheresaBut at least I got two, two hours when they're saying I just one of my like Where was I? University was a very long time ago, but I remember um in my like labs, because they were always in the evenings, um, my lab instructors were all for some reason all really like lost. I wasn't into it at that time. But like they would talk about it every single yeah, right? Like because it was the season would go into like May. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's when like the the school year would end in like April. Yeah. And so they'd be like, Oh my god, did you see lost last year? Oh my god, oh my god. It was water cooler fodder for sure. And I remember when the finale like of the series came out, I remember them being like, I can't believe it's almost over. Like, this is one of the I mean, what am I gonna do with my life? And every time I think finales, I always get brought back to like those labs where they were like, I can't believe it's ending. It's so good.
AmandaI mean, I also wondered that.
KipYeah, it's fair. Why I don't know where I don't know where I was in 2008. I think I remember.
AmandaWell, this aired on your birthday, technically, right? May 29th, you said?
KipMm-hmm. Yeah. May 29th.
AmandaI don't think we were I was drunk and probably we were probably at the getting a money.
KipYeah, yeah, yeah.
The Score That Becomes A Theme
KipQuestion number two. Oh god. Composer Michael Giacchino wrote the track, There's no place like home for the tension-filled closing montage of part one. What long-term significance did this specific piece of music hold for the rest of the show?
AmandaOh, I don't know. Is it the song that plays in the finale when they're like of their series?
KipUm probably. Yeah, that's partly the answer.
AmandaThey're fighting.
KipThey're fighting?
TheresaThey're fighting in the finale.
KipOh no, no, no, no. I'm not doing the fight. No.
TheresaI thought it was I thought you were talking about the end end.
KipYeah, same.
TheresaI am. Well, what are you talking? What is this then? The fighting in the series finale. That's not what we're talking about, though.
KipBut I'm that's not the part I'm we're talking about.
TheresaWhat do you mean?
KipSee a church, see a steeple, here's the people. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sit down or whatever that's saying is.
TheresaHere's the church, here's a steeple, look inside, where are the people? Then you do it again. You go, here's the church, here's a steeple, open it up. There are the people. Oh I thought it looked like a vagina when you did it. No, that's the joke. That's this one. Okay. You know what I mean? And you put your hands between mine and then we'll go. So here's the answer.
AmandaSo fucked.
KipIt became the definitive oceanic six slash rescue theme. Yeah, it went on to become one of the most famous reused motifs in the entire series score, anchoring all major reunions, rescues, and emotionally heavy departure scenes in season five and six.
AmandaOh, my favorite.
KipSo it was for sure a big on.
TheresaOh heck yeah. And there's no place like home as the title of it is very fitting.
KipExactly. So very, very score is just the best. I love it.
AmandaOh, he's he's very talented. Yes.
TheresaOh my goodness.
AmandaI and I'm not a big like classical or like instrumental music person of any genre, like lyrics, but you know, I obviously scores are nice, but I'm not I'm not usually like one of the people that's like always paying attention to that and stuff. But for his idea.
KipHow can you not?
AmandaI would listen to that just all day long.
KipIt moves you.
TheresaThat's good.
KipAll right, so that's it. Calidado. Now time for Teresa's stream of consciousness.
Theresa's Stream of Consciousness
TheresaAlso, let me pull it up. Season four, penale penale, finale part one. Okay, we get in the sky. Uh, I want to say Lapidas or no, wait, what is this? This guy looks familiar. Wait, what do you have back there? Who's back there? It's Jack and Hurley? Oh, and Kate and Zon. Wait, what? Said what's happening? Oh, is this the the like post like um getting them off thing? God, why is everyone so zoned? Are are we wearing seatbelts? Why are we all dressed up? And who is this lady? Oh, they do have seatbelts. Sorry, what's the story, Jack? Say it does not look impressed. Uh are we not in shock? Okay, son, yes, we are. Exactly. Um, I I don't I think so if there's people there, I'm confused. They couldn't have gotten them like a better plane. Oh, it's the Coast Guard. That's why it's not so fancy. Also, they do have seat belts again. Okay. Um, why would there be people on the tarmac? Wouldn't they get like swept away by the landing plane? Okay, reuniting. Did we know that son still had a mother? Have we ever seen her? Is someone there to put in handcuffs right away, right away? Or is the baby like her buffer? Oh, Hurley. Oh, gross. They kissed on the lips. No one's wondering whose baby this is? Okay, Jack, you're post op. Let's relax. Is Daniel the only one who can use this phone? I mean, I guess he knows the number. Wait, what's the orchid? Uh smart girl Juliet, something mate, right? Oh my god, Kate, of course. I mean, you ask a lot of people, Jack. You ask a lot of people, Jack. Poor Juliet. Um, Daniel, are you okay? I'm sorry, what's the second protocol? Secondary protocol, and why? I I feel like Daniel's very tapped in. Wait, why do we have to get off, Daniel? Okay, now it's daytime. Um, I feel like the chopper would have landed a while ago. Um, I feel like Jack's gonna start up bleed out. He's for sure getting sweat in his wound. Oh, he's bleeding. Ew, should discharge be red? Um, who's this gonna be now? I mean, there's a couple people. Oh, it's Milesore and Zabibi? God, that baby's huge. Okay. Aw, Sawyer. New Otherton is a fantastic name for that place. Oh, now it's complicated for everybody. Okay, Jack, let's settle down and touch. Um, Kate, they've always been fighting each other. Um, I don't actually think it was your call, Jack. I think Desmond Said wanted to go themselves. But all right, take the credit. Um, Sawyer, maybe go with him. And he is. I love him. And Kate has to take care of the baby. Okay. Remember when she was so awkward about it? Now she's like, gimme the baby. Um, wait, they were care what were they carried on? Why why do they have briefing notes? Who is this for? Um, if she gave birth while stranded, she would have been, what, anywhere between six and eight months pregnant? Or I guess ideally at the most six months pregnant? I feel like she would be showing at that point, and the marshal probably would have known, no? I mean, I feel like we would have known that we were chasing like a pregnant person. Uh, where did these like pics come from? Who is this lady? Who gave them clothes? God, this is awkward. Did you all hold hands while you were washed away? How'd you get washed away together? I'm sorry, what was the paw? Why is there a pause at the question? Y'all, she did not give birth on this island. This makes no sense. I'm sorry, we're just we're saying that child is five weeks. Okay, reporter, exactly my thoughts. Okay, and why no other survivors for sure. Nor is that Nadia? Uh-huh. Oh, okay. I guess they are just allowed to go out on their own with no escort. But at least someone came for him. That's nice. How'd she get there? Anyway. Off on his little plan on a bearing, right? Does that get you exactly to your beach? Not the other side of the beach, or not the other side of the island? Well, that's lucky. Um, again, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Wait, so how's this gonna work? You're gonna sneak them all in the boat somehow and someone's gonna drive it away? Oh, they're also going to the orchid. Ben's funny. I'm sorry, Ben. Did he already know we can move the island? I'm sorry, what's that now? We have a tin of cookies? Crackers. That must be stale. And a mirror? Why? Um, they should be super stale, Hurley. Poor guy. Who are we signaling? With who? No, I don't know, Ben. I don't know anything. Um, is someone just sitting there waiting for someone to flash a mirror at them? Is this Morse code? What else is in the box? I'm sorry, how far is this freighter? I'm confused. I feel like can't possibly be the only one who can track people. You're telling me he doesn't know how to track people? Come on. I'm sorry. Okay, first round is who? Okay. It's Sun and random people. Did they mean six people plus plus Desmond? Or not Desmond. Daniel, or did we mean six total? Oh my god, June's there. I feel like you should use the elevator, son. I'm sorry, what happened to Mr. Peg's situation? Oh no, you know what? She did something. She looks intense. Oh my god, I love son. Oh, I knew she did something. Get a girl, yes, queen. Wait, who is the other one, son? Oh, she made him sit. He sat down. Oh, queen. Snaps and claps for sun. She is big. Um, the doors are open, Hurley. Isn't that okay? Do you front doors usually open out like that? Who are Mr. and Lady Tron? Why is there a coconut? Oh my god, who's whispering why? Is there a bedroom off the living room that goes outside? Is there no other door to go outside? What is this party for? Why is it Hawaiian themed? And Kate is not in jail? Is she dating Jack now? Oh, it's Hurley's birthday. Wait, when is this? God, Mr. Raze is awkward. But that is a nice gesture. Oh god, the numbers. Oh, Hurley, where are you running? I mean, how are you working on it, Ben? I'm sorry. And I'm sorry. Hurley's just not allowed to leave now? You couldn't have told him that before? Oh, we did bring the monoculars. I'm sorry, what do we need? Is Ben ever being truthful? I'm sorry, what do we need to see? Do Hurley and I get to see two? Oh my god, that camo though. Um, are they gonna find you? Oh, the hoping gin in the sun's eyes. I'm sorry, who who are they waving at? Oh, Des. So Des is friends with the boat people? Did all the bad people go with Kimi? They all fit in there? Okay, anyway. Oh, Faraday is gonna do be doing the shuttling. Okay. And now Aaron looks small because it's not a real baby right now. Oh, good job, Daniel. I'm sorry, Michael did fix the engine. Okay. And we're all in on this now. And like I said, all of Kemey's army people are just they all fit in that small helicopter, but only three people could fit in there originally. Okay. I'm sorry, is this hot captain's co-captain? I'm sorry, what? We can't just keep going down the bearing and maybe stop files five miles away and then the shuttle is maybe a little bit shorter. Um, I'm sorry, it's been five days since the surgery. Since uh when? I'm sorry, the chopper's just here? Is Jack gonna die? Is he gonna pass out? Oh no, I think I bet you saw your thing about Hurley. And he is, my sweet boy. I'm sorry, it's been ten months. Where are we? When are we? I'm just we're just jumping all over the place. Wait, is Aaron like seven months now? Uh Jack, that was nice. I'm like I'm glad you're not yelling at him anymore, Mrs. Shepherd. Wait, who's this lady? I'm sorry, why who are you? Oh, it's Claire's mom. Yikes, what a way and what a time to find out. Can you check someone's phone records? Uh is this when Jack Oh Jack, man, he looks ricked. That baby is your nephew. Oh wait, oh um and oh my god, ma'am, that son of hers is your grandson. Yikes. Um now Jack knows and he's like, uh oh, wait. I'm sorry, Michael, you hopped on a cargo ferry with your son like as a stowaway? How did this work? Um, you do kind of work for Ben though, just saying awkward. Oh, Jen. He understands you. Um, that's not good. I mean, surely C4 isn't actually labeled C4 explosive with an exclamation mark at the end. Um, Said, be careful. Oh my god, it's an other wait, what's happening? All the others? They're alive? Wait, what did I think happened to them? What's happening right now? What the fuck is that Ben? What's an anthurium? I'm sorry, put my hand where? Oh no, the rest of them didn't save. So it stops there.
Timeline Math And Press Conference Problems
TheresaI don't have the rest of the comments. Oh um, that was the fairy was at the end. Yeah.
AmandaUh yeah, that was there's a couple things for sure that I was like right with you on. Yeah. What is the atmosphere on the freighter now? It does feel different. I'm gonna think we're all friends.
KipWell, I yeah. What I they all are in that helicopter, and they're all the mean mercenaries are gone.
AmandaAnd everyone else is just like, get us the hell out of here.
TheresaJust the numbers don't like really add up because Lapita said three people. They took Naomi's body, Desmond, and Said. Now Kimi has himself as well as at least four people pointing guns. Okay. But I don't think Kimi's following the rules necessarily. Right.
KipAnd here's what we're talking about about your memory. I if you had asked me how many people did Lapita say could fit on the helicopter with Naomi's body, I'd be like, I don't know. How am I supposed to remember that? And you just pull that out. See, you've got a great memory.
AmandaNo, well, because I mentioned be damned, but they but that's why they took her buttons.
KipYes, no, I know. I'm just saying.
AmandaYeah.
KipSo other numbers that don't add up. When you said five days, is that what it's been for a surgery? Yeah, that's not right. No, it's because 24 hours? Yeah, because I went back to something nice back home. That's the surgery episode. And it's days 98 to 99 on the island. And we are now at 99 to 100 on the island.
TheresaOh, so he must be so he must be lying. I'm gonna hope is that he's lying.
KipI suppose it's lying or just yeah, be playing around.
AmandaWell, we're on the subject of time. 10 months to get to the funeral of Jack's dad? Why didn't he say 10 months ago I sat in the Sydney so right?
KipHe said they were on the island for over three months. So let's seven mothers six or seven months to that's silly.
AmandaThere were there were just a lot of like I will say the the flash four words were a little bit confusing in terms of like where it fits for me, especially because Kate and the baby seem to just be happy and together with everyone throughout everything.
TheresaThe whole time, yeah.
AmandaAnd I know we've dealt with her stuff already, but I was also surprised there wasn't like an armed guard waiting for her there.
TheresaYes. Like I kind of thought there would be, and then she'd be like, but I have a baby. Yeah. And then they'd be like, Okay, well, we won't grab you as harshly. Yeah.
AmandaAnd well, while you're doing your stream of consciousness, I did look up. She gave Claire gave birth on day 41. So that would make if they get off the island around 108, is what they're saying, right? Then he was alive for 67 days. So about two months. So about two and a bit months. So they are shaving about a month off of his weeks.
TheresaThey're shaving three weeks. No, because it would be like 2.2. Okay, but still not. I think what doesn't make sense is like if Kate was, if we're saying that Kate was pregnant, realistically, you're not supposed to fly in your last trimester. That being said, if you're a fugitive, I don't know that they really care. They just want to get you back into your OG country.
KipClaire did. But she wasn't supposed to. No, I know, but they're not.
AmandaSo I could stop them. I do wonder if that's why they're lying about his age, though, because if she he was born more recently, that means she wasn't as pregnant and it would have been easier to hide. She's tiny. Yeah. Well, you know, tiny people sometimes don't look pregnant at all.
TheresaI just I just mean like it just like logistically, like, I feel like that's a bit of a stretch. And I think that's why he's asking about it, right? Yeah.
AmandaBecause it is logistically a bit of a stretch. Yeah. But the Marshall is also a dick. So like he wouldn't have been like, Oh, you're pregnant? Okay, I better not take you back right away.
TheresaLike, well, I don't think he would do that, but I think he would be like, I'll still take you back, like something be damned, kind of thing. But like, I feel like that would be like on some kind of record, like suspect apprehended is pregnant, still taking her anyway, so that we can charge her in our own computer.
KipYeah, because this wasn't years ago. No. So there wouldn't be some sort of way to communicate record of who they're after, and it would reflect if she was pregnant or not.
TheresaYeah.
KipUnless they didn't know, like she could have been in Australia if we're believing this story and pregnant, and the marshal might not have known.
AmandaYeah.
KipBecause she who knows how long she was there for. And so they sh she could have been pregnant without them knowing.
TheresaIt just it, yeah. It just when the reporter said it, I was like, exactly. The math isn't.
KipBut I think maybe that's why. Because like we know they're lying. So that's the point, is that things aren't adding up and they just don't want people asking too many questions.
TheresaYeah.
KipBecause they're lying. You do.
AmandaDo we ever find out like what how they reckon the fact that their bodies were all accounted for with them being I don't think so. Because then that also could explain why they have so many questions. Cause it's like, hey, not only did they survive for 108 days in this weird way, but remember how for the last like month of this time we thought they were all dead and their bodies were accounted for?
TheresaLike, yeah. So it is like a very even their story of like how they survived is like kind of weird.
AmandaBut again, they don't want to make it too complicated, right? So they have to account for everyone else being dead but them.
TheresaNormally I get that part, but their whole like we went out the emergency door, there were eight of us, and we got carried by a current to an island. Yeah. We had life jackets and cushions. Did you tie yourselves together? Otherwise, realistically, you would not end up in the same place. I yeah. You know what I mean? You held hands.
AmandaBut I think they had to end end up in the water because that would be the fastest way for the plane to have been found in the water.
TheresaSure, they ended up in the water. I'm saying if you put eight people in the water in the ocean with life jackets and cushions, you're not ending up on the same beach. Well, maybe look, odds are probably not.
KipLook, I I understand the questions. You can't think too hard about this, Teresa. You can't. And they don't want you to. You gotta just why I have to be.
TheresaBut what I loved about this episode is a lot of the questions that I asked, someone else also asked. Right.
KipSo it was purposeful.
TheresaExactly.
KipSo they're they're saying we recognize this is unrealistic, a little wacky, a little wacky, but we're just asking you, please just go along with it.
TheresaOr don't ask questions, as the lady kind of says to that reporter guy who was like, the fuck.
KipYeah, so it's like you gotta just kind of go along for the ride.
TheresaI am I am on the top of the mountain ride.
KipYeah, yeah. The luge. The luge.
AmandaSo then we do get kind of like each of their little story.
KipI love that intro though. It was so good.
AmandaLike I it did bring me to tears, especially when that score and then the reunions had like I was so I got so teary when when Hurley brought Saeed over to me. That was nice, because of course he did.
KipAnd I did feel bad for Kate in that moment. Like, no one's there, not even like a police officer. Like she's gonna be able to do that.
AmandaThey don't care anymore.
TheresaI thought a police officer would for sure be there. I'm like, you know, she's got nobody, yeah.
AmandaBecause even Nadia showed up for yeah, exactly. And they were immediately back in each other's.
KipYeah, that was uh very quick.
TheresaBut that was also very like realistic, I think, when it came to their like reunion where like she was like gonna try to kiss him, and he was like, I kind of do I kiss back.
KipSo awkward.
AmandaYeah, it's definitely in shock because he thought she was dead, right?
KipNo, no, he was going to find her in LA, right? That's why he was going.
TheresaRight. But she found him first.
KipThat's cute.
TheresaI don't know if I ship this. I'm confused in my soul all the time.
AmandaI think Said is confused in his soul when it comes to Saeed.
TheresaActually, I'm not so life. I'm confused all the time.
AmandaUm, but that was yeah, Kate was literally because Said didn't have anyone at first, which kind of makes sense based on his lifestyle. And then Hurley like brings him in to be.
TheresaWell, maybe she didn't kill her dad, alien her mother, kill her fiance, drug her other fiance, kill maybe a police officer, kill the guy or hurt the guy and and take out his prosthetic arm.
AmandaYeah, she's um she's definitely left awake away. Colorful record. You know what I mean? Maybe she shouldn't have to be able to do it. I guess all she gets is 10 years probation.
KipSo so the intro was good. I liked it.
TheresaIt was really how did we feel about Jack's kiss on the lips with his mother?
KipI kind of didn't even really treat notice. You said that in your thing. I was like, oh yeah, that's weird.
TheresaI've never kissed my parents on the lips since people do that. Adults I don't either. I don't either. I'm just my lips are for other things.
AmandaLike when when I've seen little kids do it, but I I think when adults do it, it's a little yeah.
TheresaKids are kids is a different story.
AmandaUm, but adult but mums and sons sometimes have weird shit going on, and she's a bit of a controlling she was crazy. It's actually nice to see them get along because the last conversation they had before he left was not pleasant.
TheresaNo, no, she was so she was essentially saying it was his malt. Everything was his malt. Yeah. Okay.
Flash Forwards And The Weight Of Lying
KipYeah. So where do we go from here? I mean, do we want to do all the flashies?
TheresaYeah, we can do like a little yeah, they're like little little nuggets.
KipThey are little nuggets. So we've got um the press conference, which we've talked about. Yes. I did like how they like fabricated these details and included like the photo on the beach of them washing up like to the village. The fishermen, she said. Oh that was when they found and it was also kind of funny how like there's an uncharted island, like so close to this other island. Like, I kind of doubt that's uncharted. Again, I get the questions. It's like, okay, let's suspend disbelief. It's like, oh, this is uncharted. I can see it.
TheresaOkay.
KipUm, oh, then we have sons.
TheresaSon, our queen. Holy smack attacks. Take that, Mr. But bake.
AmandaI do love that she specifically says she's doing it because he made her life very difficult. Now I was trying to remember this and I asked Teresa about it. Didn't something already happen to Jin on the island that we were led to believe is why he's dead in the future? Or no?
KipI don't think so.
AmandaI mean, he's with them now, so clearly not. But I can remember, okay. So he's but something is gonna happen that she's do you not remember? No, I do remember. Oddly remember. I do remember.
KipI do remember, but yeah, but nothing before that. No, so I think you're maybe you're thinking of the flash forward earlier where we were maybe meant to believe we don't well, we just don't know what happened to Jin. Right. So maybe that is what you're thinking of. I don't know.
TheresaOr maybe you're thinking about the last time he was on a boat.
AmandaBoat with Michael.
KipYeah. Oh, awkward.
AmandaYeah, they've not had good history.
KipNo boat times. But um that was awesome. It was good. I really liked it. They only What's that? Okay, I guess I shouldn't do this because I just gave you shit for thinking too much too hard about things.
TheresaWhat's that, Christopher? Well, no, I was just thinking like Let's suspend reality.
KipIt's just how much money could they have gotten from Oceanic to be able to do that. Like Peg's company at some point, didn't they say it was like hundreds of millions, if not a billion dollar company, to be able to buy a controlling stake.
TheresaBut are we talking like Oceanic USD? Millions of dollars USD, or are we talking millions of dollars in?
AmandaI mean, at that level, I can't imagine I I agree because like I do think that that I thought that too. I'm like, how much but I I try to remember that it's the US and they give out insane settlements.
KipYeah, but I feel like Oceanic would be bankrupt. I'm sure they are just by that one. I'm sure they are. But how is Jack flying on that free ticket?
AmandaThey have a free pass, they have a gold street. Yeah, I guess they're insurance companies, although.
KipYeah, maybe anyway. That's the only thing.
AmandaBecause on Gray's Anatomy, not that this is, but they they get a settlement that allows like six of them to buy a hospital, right? From a plane crash, actually, as well.
TheresaNo, actually, not just the six of them though, because um there's Weber chips in like a million.
AmandaYeah, but still, you know what I mean? Like it's just not hospitals are pricey, they give insane, like they probably all did get like a hundred million dollars. Like it's insane.
TheresaThat's like insanitary, but they're nuts there, yeah.
AmandaLike when it comes to their settlements, I don't know how they're so litigious, right?
KipI mean, just but like so is then that's another question. Is Oceanic in on the lie? Because Oceanic is presenting information, and how would they get this information? So who's orchestrating it? Because why would they pay them? I guess as part of the lie. I don't know.
AmandaI I don't know that Oceanics necessarily in on it the same way that like they're in on it.
KipYeah, but like then who's producing?
AmandaI think we'll see. What are you talking about? Wait, what? Yeah, who who came up with the images and who came up with the story and stuff like that, right? Like it's elaborate. Like Jack's smart, but Jack's not smart enough to come up with all of this on his own. He doesn't know and have fake AI images before there's AI about them like on the shore.
KipWe used to call it Photoshop.
AmandaIt took a lot of work. On a side note, I watched I saw someone on the internet say, It's been one year since I made my first AI art and like showed it, and I was like, I'm gonna fucking my first AI art. I don't get it, like that it's not like a painting. Why is that a milestone? They don't get to have that as a milestone. It took them 14 seconds to do it on Chat GPT. Oh, that is a weird thing. The artistry of it is whatever descriptive words they should write, be a writer then.
KipLike so anyway. Yeah, so Sun's vengeance was great.
AmandaYes, he sat down. Yeah, yeah. And his dad is a prick. Her dad is a prick. He's terrible. And he she's not wrong. I mean, I've always been a little bit. Hesitant to do the blame game that way with people, like how far does it extend? But for him, it was satisfying, right? Because at the end of the day, Jin is still responsible for his own life choices and like he was still a jerk to her, but uh it was satisfying.
KipYeah, yeah. It was a good one for sure.
AmandaSo she seems to be doing okay, yeah. But she's also really far removed from the rest of the she's not in LA, right? Every every other thing that goes on in these people's lives, which we'll talk about it as we go, they're all kind of together for, right?
KipExactly. Yeah, that's a good point. She's separated. Uh, which brings us to our next uh one is Hurley's birthday party.
TheresaWhat orientation is that house?
KipUh oh like when he walks in, there's a bedroom right there.
TheresaIt's very not uncommon. No, no, but they're all facing that door. So part of me is like, you didn't think that he was gonna be at the main door? Wow like the main door to the patio. You thought he was gonna come through the bedroom? This is an exercise in trees overthinking, I think. Oh, yeah, that's my whole jam.
AmandaBut that was funny. I actually didn't pick up on the theme either until Hawaiian theme was a very nice theme.
KipVery funny. Like they're just clueless. Like they think. Like you tried, but also.
AmandaUm and then it also seemed like there, Kate and him are together. Are together. She's like, he's on his way, but then he's still doing well, and they're not really together until he's in the like well.
KipThey're yeah, they're doing well. Oh, yeah. Because Hurley's in the I think we're meant to believe Hurley's run into the constitution. Like this is where he goes after right after this.
AmandaYeah.
KipUm, the Trons are their housekeeper slash like married couple, oh, okay, okay, staff. Lady, he's remember he called her Lady Tron in one episode. Are you Lady Tron? So uh yeah, and then the Camaro he freaks out, cute gesture, but like the numbers that is weird.
AmandaThat is a coincidence. That's not that's okay.
TheresaNo, I don't think that's a coincidence.
KipWell, how would that have happened? Fate.
AmandaCoincidence and fate are kind of the same thing.
KipRemember, you can't what does Echo say? Don't confuse confidence. Coincidence for fate.
TheresaYeah, yeah, but this is just I mean, the odds of that are like one in four, eight, fifteen, sixteen, twenty three, four, two.
KipMany, many.
TheresaYeah.
KipUm, and then the uh funeral, the sh um uh Jack's dad.
TheresaThe last seven months after the arrival.
KipI didn't even catch on to that until you guys said that.
TheresaI just thought 10 months was like, well, I'm like, that's a long time.
AmandaI was confused about it. And then and it so there's a couple of things that are really important to remember here for going into one more episode, I guess. So it doesn't really matter. But he talks about how he can't even bury him, right?
TheresaThere's no body, yes, which makes sense because it was on the plane.
AmandaYep.
TheresaAnd the plane is they did not bring it back with them.
AmandaRight. And in theory, Christian is walking around the island with Claire.
KipYeah, that's right. Claire's with Daddy.
AmandaDid Kate have her own little flashboard in this or not really? Uh no, not Saeed. And Said's was really just the names.
KipYeah.
AmandaOkay. So then we really the last little bit that we glean about Kate and Jack and the baby is from that scene with.
KipYeah.
AmandaSo and they look to be they look to be together.
KipYeah. Because like Kate's like, oh, I'll wait for you right here. Like she's waiting around for him, like, kind of was there for him.
AmandaAnd like, what do you guys think? Like, truly, was that appropriate for Claire's mom? Absolutely not.
TheresaThat is not the right time.
KipYeah, and how do you check phone records?
AmandaAnd and and fine, you can check phone records, but you it's true, you can check the phone records. He could just be, he was kind of a lech. Like, he could have just been having an affair with an Australian woman. That wouldn't prove anything. Yeah, just phoning to Australia. They know he went to Australia.
KipExactly. And how is that gonna get them? I guess, yeah, again, it's a it's well, it's been 10 months. I don't know how long phone records are kept for.
AmandaBut so that that's kind of crazy too. But like yeah, not appropriate a lot to put on him. Like, sorry to do this to you today. It's like, well, that's a lot. He's like just processing, finally, like saying goodbye, and now he's got to process all this information.
KipMaybe she's like, for fuck's sake, it's been 10 months when I get this.
TheresaShe's just been waiting this whole time. But like, you know, I think I think what she should have done is maybe, you know, like you know, just be like a quiet observer, watch the thing, maybe go to I think there's something going on at his parents' place after, you know, figure out where that is, wait a week, maybe come back and be like, oh, is Jack home? Oh, he doesn't live here. Oh, can I get in touch with him? I have something. Sure.
AmandaBut it's an emotional day. Maybe he's just she just yeah, kind of bursting from her to tell. So he seems to accept it pretty easily. Like he's not like fighting it or or saying he doesn't believe her. But like that critic said, he oh we see a world of emotion. Yeah, with like like he experiences like a lifetime of emotion across his face in those like couple moments. Yeah, yeah.
KipLike at first, it's almost like he's just like blank, doesn't know what to do, and then you just see him drop. It was so good.
AmandaYeah, very I mean, that's messed up because he also like hearing like, oh, you were on a plane for six hours, you didn't even know.
KipAnd it's like, no, no, yeah, he was on an island with her for a hundred days and didn't know and was quite like close and invested with her and had no idea. So I was wrong a few episodes ago. I had thought he already knew, so that was I I was wrong. Now he knows. Yeah, yes, um, because when it was when he says that to Kate. Like you're not even related to him, yeah. And then I'm like, Well, sh we know he knows, right? But I guess we didn't until now.
AmandaAnd that comes after. Yeah, yeah, because that's very close to that's when they break up, yeah, exactly.
KipBut yeah, it's wild to think he now knows Aaron is his nephew, and so that I'm sure plays a big part in his slow downfall. Because like now he's processing that, yeah, Claire was his sister, knew her very well, had no idea, like you say, not six hours, like months. And so, yeah, that's huge. That's a huge, huge.
AmandaAnd it's one of the people that's left behind with this, and they have to lie about, right? Like, yes, yeah. I think that's the saddest part about the Oceanic Six is that they have to lie about all those lived experiences they had with these people that they really care about, right?
KipWell, and just even saying at the press conference, uh Charlie drowned, which he did, but like shortly after they were on the island, uh who else did they say? Libby, they didn't really explain how she died, or maybe someone had internal bleeding. You know, so like they've made up stories about a couple other people dying, and it's like, of course, people we know, but like they're just like, Yeah, it's the lying is crazy. And it reminds me of what Michael said earlier in this season, how he couldn't talk to anyone about it, like he couldn't say where he was, he couldn't say anything about it, and that drove him apart from Walt. And it's like, hey, well, they have each other at least, yeah. But like still to not be able to talk about any of those experiences, not to be able to talk about the truth, like it's gonna wear down on you for sure.
Theresa100%. It's not even like you can tell your therapist because your therapist would be like, Well, you're a liar, I think. So other issues of play.
AmandaYeah, it's wild.
KipIs this magic island in the room with us right now? Can you imagine? And then the island also just disappears, and there's smoke monsters and there's like magical healing things. Forget I said that first part, Teresa, your face.
AmandaSo it's very like they're obviously going through it and like they're processing, and it's not hard, you know, and that's what what we already know is coming for all of these oceanic six, right? Like, son has to have her baby alone, Saeed ends up losing Nadia. Like, it's just yeah, yeah, Jack and Hurley both go crazy in their own right, and that's kind of where we're at right now with them. And it's kind of getting us closer to that we have to go back moment that we see at the end of season three.
KipYes, exactly. We're getting there. Yeah, getting there. All right, on island.
On Island Chaos And Jack’s Choices
AmandaOh boy.
KipIt is a trip. It is a trip.
AmandaSo they have this like Jack wants to go after um potentially the chopper, because they believe still that Said and Desmond are on it. Juliet doesn't want him to go.
TheresaAnd uh Daniel calls the the other phone, and they only hear Lapidus and Kimi. And they're like Sayyidina. And does not sound good. And Saeed, they're like Said and Desmond, aren't they?
KipYeah.
TheresaAnd of course, he's like, Kate, let's go.
AmandaAnd then Juliet tries to stop him, but there's no stop. And like I like at the end, she's like, Don't bleed out or whatever. Like she she put up a little bit of a fight, but then she knows what he's doing.
KipShe's also like exasperated, like, fine, you want to do this to yourself, do it to yourself.
AmandaSo they go.
KipYeah, there's like a bunch of crises building, right? Like we have like them getting to the chopper, which leads them to have to go try to get Hurley, and that that's that. They run into Sawyer and and Miles, but then That part was very sad, and then there's like the shuttling of people like to get off the island, and then we get the other crisis which was on the boat, or crisis which is on the boat.
AmandaSo it's like kind of this buildup to all these things where it's interesting because you we start the season kind of learning slowly who the oceanic six are, and once you finally realize who they all are, at that point in the season, they're all so fragmented that you're like, How the hell did this group of six people end up off the island together? Like they're not even connected right now, and then they all kind of come back together or are very close to coming back together, and you're like, Okay, this is how they all end up together, and then they all get kind of blown apart again, and you're like, Okay, so how are we getting Sun gets off, but Jin doesn't, but Sun and Jin are both on that freighter right now.
KipRight now, they're the only ones.
AmandaAnd we know he gets off the island, and then Jack and Kate aren't together. Kate's now with Kate and Sain are together, but they're with the others.
KipAnd oh yeah, I forgot about that already. With Sawyer, who doesn't get off the island, right?
AmandaSo it's it's it's really quite interesting how many like we're still so it still seems so far from being at a place where we could get to the future. That's right. Yeah, yeah. And now we have, you know, kind of like you said, everyone is fragmented. So, you know, starting with Sawyer or Ben and sorry, Jack and Kate Kate running into Sawyer and Miles. Sawyer and Miles, that was very sad. And again, I thought a very good performance from Jack when they say they lost Claire, and Sawyer's like, she walked off into the middle of the night, and we I hoped she went back to the beach, and he's just like, She didn't. Yeah, and the way he said that, I like really that was like very filled with anguish, right? Like he's just like it was this perfect mix. I actually really liked that line because you could hear like it was like frustration and sadness and just like acceptance, kind of like all in one, yeah, where he's just like she didn't like, but yeah, of all the things going on right now, like yeah, that's not even up there, right?
KipAnd it's just this realization that like another thing has fallen through the cracks, like another thing's going wrong, and just like, yeah, it was very well done and and sad. And then he they get into a fight. I like what you said about uh Sawyer and Jack fighting now, they are always fighting, yeah.
AmandaAnd they're like, now you guys are gonna fight, as opposed to when they were having tea together.
TheresaLike they have been fighting over you since uh season one.
AmandaBut I love that Sawyer went after him. Me too. You don't get to die alone or whatever.
KipLike he's just Sawyer's really he's grown so much. Remember season one, Sawyer was just like every man for himself.
AmandaJust sitting there reading his own book, lying to them all, stealing shit, hiding stuff, wouldn't give the medication to Shannon. Wow, and we just literally sat and read while the fucking world burned around him, and now he's following Jack into the heart of it, and instantly brings up Hurley and like knows they have to go get Hurley. Like, and that's another one of those moments that Jack has, and this is after they find Lapitas, where it's like first he realizes Claire's gone, and that's someone who's like off, and he has to decide what do we do about that? Do we do something about that? Do we just keep moving forward? And now he's hearing that about Hurley. So it's like another person that is that he's not gonna be able to get off the island, or he's gonna have to work really hard to get off the island. And you can kind of like I said with Jack, you always kind of see the wheels turning. Like, yeah, do we try to find Claire? Do we go after Hurley? Do I we untie Lapidas and get off this island? Like, do I cut my losses? But that's not really Jack's style, right?
KipLike never, never he'll he'll go down with the ship.
AmandaWhich you have to ask yourself then, not knowing exactly where we're at, is Jack does not want to leave this island without everyone. He's talking about, I want everyone off the island, I promise I give everyone off the island, and we know that doesn't happen. Yeah, yeah. So, what has to happen in the next hour and a half of television that Jack leaves with only five of them?
TheresaYeah, I also would like to know. You will I because I I genuinely do not remember.
AmandaThat is a legitimate question. I'm like, even knowing, I'm like, how do we get from it? Just doesn't seem like there's enough time left in the season to get everything. Because, like you said, it's just crisis after crisis is coming to the surface.
KipSo let's talk quickly about Ben, Locke, and Hurley, and they come to the orchid.
Ben Locke And The Orchid Plan
KipLocke gives Ben or Ben gives Locke this like crazy instructions of two steps to your left, one to your right, and like 20 paces and you put your hand down. I'm like list the flower that no one's gonna be able to identify.
AmandaSo maybe Locke, you know, with his expertise.
KipMy paces are not accurate.
TheresaMy paces are small. What's an errathium or whatever?
KipThat's what I'm gonna say. Like, who knows what that is?
TheresaGive it common names, but the white daisies, yeah. Like I'm like, well, I don't know what that means.
KipBut a great line by Ben again. I always have a plan. Yeah, I always have a plan. How many times do I have to tell you, John? It's like, yes, John, stop it.
TheresaI know, like, let's stop questioning Ben.
KipOh, and then so we see who he's mirroring like early. He like shone that mirror. He found that tin tin can, and there's a mirror in it. Ben Yes. Ben? Yes. And well, it was clearly the others. Oh, oh, I'm sorry, honey.
AmandaOh so we knew that a group of the others had escaped. Yes, we always knew that.
KipBut I forgot about them.
TheresaThat me too. That's why I was like, do I know that they're yeah, like, because I remember that Ben and the others split. Yes, but I did not remember what happened after them, like after that happened.
AmandaWell, they're very good at staying alive and hiding.
KipAnd hiding. Remember those, remember those feet from like so?
AmandaI just I'm a little confused. So Ben ultimately gives himself up, but he always has a plan. Yeah. So is he like what is the what is the purpose of rallying Richard and the others right now? Is it for a rescue mission for Ben? Is it to get them kind of out? Is it like, you know, it's not clear to me right now what he wants them to do. But Ben has a plan.
TheresaI just at this point, it's fucked up as this is to say. You kind of gotta put your faith in Ben. Yeah, at this point, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I'm sure he has it handled somehow. And like I oddly enough have faith that it's gonna work out somehow because he always like he has a plan within a plan within a plan.
KipLike it's yeah, I don't feel like Ben's in danger. No, not at all. Because like he always weasels his way out of everything.
AmandaYeah, and he has probably the most insane like survival instinct. Like he would not, if there was even an inkling to Ben that this wouldn't that this would end in his death, he wouldn't have gone ahead. He doesn't have it for everyone else, clearly, or doesn't give a shit. No, for himself, but for himself, it's it's strong, yeah.
KipLike and like uh yeah, so he's gonna be fine, he's got some plan. Everything he does is so calculated. He gave Locke the instructions of where to go, how to get down, but not what to do once he gets down.
AmandaSo hopefully it's so interesting, right?
KipSo like just enough info to get John to want to go, but not enough for him to actually do anything, and not to be able to live without Ben. Yes, exactly, right?
AmandaThere's always just enough information.
KipUm but and no instructions for Hurley.
TheresaNo, and I feel bad for him because at one point Locke says, Well, you're not getting off this island. Yeah, I was like, Did you know that when he said he was gonna go with you guys? Because that's mean.
AmandaI don't think that's I don't think that's about Locke like trying to keep him there. I think he what he means is like the people that are supposed to get you off the island are these people. Yeah, like clearly Hurley that's not happening because the people who are supposed to that's how I read it.
TheresaI agree. Yeah, I don't know.
AmandaI was like, I don't think it's him wanting him to stay or forcing him.
KipI think it's like, have you not realized the reality of the situation as they oh no, I didn't I didn't think he was making him stay.
AmandaNo, but I don't think he like ever I don't think it's anything to do with Locke. I think Locke's just commenting on the situation, the situation, yeah. Like I don't think he has any, I don't think he wants I think he'd let him leave and want him to leave if he could, is just at this point, he kind of like Sawyer said they they killed they attacked you, they tried to kill you. Yeah, like Locke said they would.
TheresaYeah, right.
AmandaThe reality is Locke, there's a line that comes from Jack later on in the series, and he's not wrong when he says it.
KipI know, but also like you know, Ben says in this episode too, uh the the man who hired these mercenaries is gonna kill you and everyone on, or something to that effect. It's like, yeah, but I don't think like if Ben hadn't antagonized them in a sense, I don't think they would go all everyone must die, or I'll kill everyone in my way. I think if they had just got Ben, they would have extracted him or killed him and left.
AmandaBut they still wouldn't be off the island.
KipNo, no, you're right, they wouldn't be off the island, but I don't think like Ben's making it seem like Widmore's instructions was for his mercenaries to come to the island and wipe everyone out. That was the mission from the get-go. But like, I think what it is is Ben, by the choices he's made, has pissed these guys off so much that now they're just like, I'll fucking kill anyone in my way because I'm pissed off. So I don't like, but that's how Ben does he manipulates and like spins the tail.
AmandaBut the fact that Woodmore or someone has paid for them all to appear dead, if that illusion was at risk, I don't think he would have necessarily not taken them all.
KipBut right, that's if it is Whitmore. Right.
AmandaSo it's like no one knows what's going on, and Ben's used it to manipulate, like you said, but just his strong suit. But in any event, the the freighter people are not who they're not there to rescue him, and that's they were right about that, and their level of dangerousness is you know very high for some of them, like Faraday, but even Faraday, it's hard to trust him. Like, I don't know. It's I mean, I think he's trying to be helpful now. I think he's a good guy, but I think he just also doesn't really know what's going on, right?
TheresaNo, I mean I feel like he knows enough to know that they're they're do they're activating the secondary protocol. I'm like, yeah, I thought you were a scientist here to do your research. What secondary protocol do you know of that these people are gonna do?
AmandaWell, I think he probably was supposed to be involved in it. Well, what is you know what I mean? I don't does Charlotte know? I don't think Charlotte knows Miles? I think Faraday knows because of what they're going to do. And I think the secondary protocol is the same as I think everyone Do you remember what the secondary protocol is?
KipBecause I don't.
AmandaBut I think they're all at the orchid for a reason.
KipYeah, they're all going to be reasonable.
AmandaRight? So and I think the orchid really only does one thing.
KipYes, I know what the orchid does.
AmandaYeah, I think they at this point so it's they all are trying to accomplish the same.
KipLike I wonder if that's the secondary protocol.
TheresaThey're all trying to okay. Hold on. Wait, what? Okay, hold on. They're all trying to do the same thing.
KipWell, they're all trying to get to the same place, and we're wondering if To do the same thing. If that's why.
AmandaWell, I don't know that the orchid does much else.
KipYeah, it's not a green.
AmandaJuliet might even know about it. But that how would that help?
TheresaHow would that help Witty?
KipWho?
TheresaUm Charles Woodmore. C Dub.
AmandaAgain, I think once it happens or whatever happens, happens, it'll make a little bit more sense. But it's not I don't necessarily think it's going to help Charles Whidmore as much as it will hurt Ben and protect the island. And ultimately, I think it's one of those like yes, he wants to protect the island. He wants control of it, but he also wants to protect it. Because if the island lives another day, he can fight for it another day. Yeah. Right. So I do think that they want the same thing at this point, even if people don't realize that.
KipYeah.
AmandaLike ultimately, like the story is one of greed, which is like 90% of stories told in time, which is that Charles Woodmore, a very rich, annoyingly powerful asshole of a man, would like to control a place where people go crippled and come back walking. Like, who wouldn't? Right? It's kind of like a modern day fountain of youth, right? Like it's like an Indiana Jones kind of thing. But modern times and with the m father from the OC and not Harrison Ford.
KipI like that analogy. Okay. Yeah, it is kind of like Indiana Jones. Never heard that before. That's that's a good one.
AmandaThey're looking for something unattainable. Money can't buy. I like that.
TheresaThat's good. I've only ever seen one Indian. Oh, I love those movies.
AmandaI'd also really like to be on the island where you go and have cancer and then no longer have cancer. That'd be great. So like it's protecting something that like does have value, right?
KipIt's like a very and just like Ben wants to protect it and keep it for himself too. Charles, like all of these, it's greed.
AmandaLike everyone really, that's I think why Locke is kind of special to in his mind and like why people and why he's protected by the island and why he ultimately becomes more important is because it appears that Locke has more selfless reasons for right. Like he cares more about the idea of it.
KipYes, and he wants to protect the island because of what it did for him. And like not what it could do for others and how it could be like exploited like the Dharma initiative and because ultimately that's what the Dharma did. Right, yes, right. I don't want to get ahead of myself here. Is they they exploited yeah, they were doing scientific research on it in ways to harness whatever it is it has.
AmandaWhich, you know, and I think when people get really upset about it, like about the show and about like how it goes off the rails and all that stuff. Like I really think if you break it down simply like that, it's it is a valuable resource that manipulative men like Ben and powerful men like Widmore have wanted to control for millennial.
KipYeah. Like And we do get a glimpse of kind of that history in season six, I think.
AmandaYeah. And then you do have people in theory or you hope that are just come across and are like, I'm just trying to survive and get a get around, which is like the jack of it. And then the people like Locke who find it more like mystical and want to like protect its essence, right? And they don't want to exploit it. I think that's kind of where we're at with the players right now.
KipI like it. Yeah. Um Theresa looks very confused. She's like rubbing her brow.
AmandaMaybe I'll get a t-shirt with the island on it.
TheresaOh, just think about how like we've come a long, we've come a long way. So we're uh the essence of this island that cures people, but not all people, just some people. And then um, so yep, and then at one point Dez was pushing a button a lot for a hot minute.
KipYeah.
TheresaAnd then something happened there.
KipAnd then Do you remember why that button needed to be pushed?
AmandaTo stop it from going boom.
KipYeah, but do you remember why that's electromagnetic? Okay. Yeah, no, no, I'm just curious. Energy. It gets yeah, it there's yeah.
AmandaSo like that, yeah, it's just again, I I just like don't not to take away from any of it, just to kind of say like, and not to like I didn't mean any of that in like a pejorative way. It's just more like if you really think about like what is everyone trying to accomplish right now, it really does come down to that conversation Ben and Charles had in Charles's bedroom, which is essentially like, I'm gonna get the island. I'm gonna get the island, essentially.
KipYeah, they both want it, right? They both want it for themselves for whatever reason that is. And then we have some other players that come into it, like Faraday and Eloise and Locke and Jack, who you know because it's complicated, it's complex, and there's always a million, like someone's decision to do something impacts other people without even them knowing. And that's also what this show does so good, is like it it really highlights how someone's decision can change destiny or change the course of fate or all those things, or is it just a coincidence? But at the end of the day, there are those top-level players trying to do this one thing. Okay, so we didn't talk about the boat yet, like fully.
Freighter Tension And Hidden C4
KipYeah, at least the end of the boat or the end of the episode. The freighter, yeah. Because there's a little dinghy zodiac. Is that I think it's called the zodiac.
AmandaFaraday was going backwards. It was so up in the air. I'm like, is that safe room? He's too light.
TheresaHe's very tiny.
AmandaThrow some of that C4 on there. C4 explosion. I actually do think it's labeled like that.
TheresaYeah, I agree. I know I think it's very dangerous. It's to really drive home. But that doesn't drive it home. It makes me feel like it's a joke. Like acne is in the I'm like, explosive exclamation. I'm like, okay, this is this can't be right.
KipVery funny. But yeah, so like Michael. It was funny how Michael fixes the boat after what we talked about last week, how suddenly he's a mechanical engineer. Or was that what he was? He's a contractor.
AmandaNo, he was an engineer. That's it.
KipBecause remember at the cave, he's like, I was an engineer. This doesn't look sturdy.
AmandaNo, I'm Googling it. No, I'm Googling it. No, I'm Googling it.
KipAnd then he was an artist.
AmandaHe wanted to be an artist, but that didn't really work out for him now, did it?
KipBut anyway, go fixes the boat, the engines.
AmandaJust it's just so funny. Like, hey, first of all, like I said, oh hi noogie. Um the atmosphere on the boat is so much nicer without Kingy. It's so sad the pilot had to die or the captain had to die.
TheresaI know he would have loved this.
AmandaIt's like it's finally nice. He didn't have to die.
TheresaYeah.
AmandaMichael finally fixes it, and then Faraday's ferrying people back. What's he do?
KipWhat'd you find?
TheresaConstruction worker, former artist, janitor.
KipOh, I mean shit. So what was he talking about? Because he said something about being an engineer.
TheresaI thought I said he was a contractor.
KipMaybe he read about oh, that's right. Because I remember we had this like discussion how you worked in construction. What do you know about engineering?
AmandaThat's what our talking about. I mean, he would have to know some of that stuff too, I would think.
KipBut I don't think that not to that does. I also don't think that translates to caves. Freighter freighter engines and caves.
AmandaYeah, that's so he's so Faraday's ferrying people back and Sun and Jingo first with Aaron and some other people. Which is also confusing to me. Yes, true.
TheresaI have some questions again. Sure. So okay. So Faraday is shuttling people there and back. He thinks he can get everyone. How many people do we have left on the beach? Well, I don't know.
AmandaIt's very hard to tell, but I think probably like 20.
TheresaBecause he's like, I can get them there and back by the time you come back.
AmandaIt's not far.
TheresaBut that's what so then when the guy's like, I'll get within five miles, and then you know, like we can't go closer because we can't see the reef or whatever.
KipI'm kind of like yeah, but five mile, so I think it would still be better if they were closer.
TheresaBut why doesn't he just bring it five mile? You know, he's going to bring it to the five mile mark.
KipNo, he shut it down.
TheresaYeah, he shut it down, and then the shuttle doesn't have to be as far, and then they'll all be comfortable in their creepy bedroom.
KipI think he's just nervous because he can't see the sonar, so he doesn't know if he's gonna hit a reef or anything. And I know he said maybe he means that they already are five hours.
AmandaMaybe that's what he means. Yeah.
KipSo like he can't get any closer because of the sonar or whatever he said is out.
TheresaAnd how far is Jack and Kate going?
AmandaAt least a couple hours, right? Because she they were halfway there-ish and she was an hour away from the beach.
TheresaAnd it's but it's daytime now. Yeah.
AmandaYeah.
TheresaHow long were they walking if they left at night?
AmandaWell, who knows what time? It could have been like five, right? Like, I don't think about it too much. Yeah, you gotta they're gonna try to get people on the boat. He's doing it as fast as he can.
TheresaThey've probably got like three or four portraits, but he can go back and forth that many times by the time they come back.
AmandaHopefully, I mean, there also used to be a time differential, so I really don't understand. So I forgot about that. That's probably what it is.
KipYeah, they kind of so I forgot about that. They kind of just skipped over that.
AmandaTry not to think about it too much. He's getting people on the boat. This is all a dream. Oh, you've made it dead the whole time. I don't know.
TheresaI've read a few things because now I'm like, when the doctor died on Island, he was still alive.
KipI think he can get oh yeah, because no, we can't go down this road.
AmandaThere's some people on the boat, yeah. One of them are son and gin, and they see Michael. And I have to say the facial expressions on um Eugene Kim. Eugene Kim and Daniel Day Kim. Yeah, were so good.
TheresaOh yep.
AmandaThere was some face in this episode.
TheresaFace card, surfing face. I don't know. I don't know what this is.
AmandaUh especially son.
KipYes.
AmandaHoly shit.
KipShe's she's giving her. And then yeah, they're I love when Jim was like, I understand.
AmandaAnd she's like, Oh, it was so good. Take that, Michael. But it was very good. And like they're clearly they're interested, but they're not like like Michael has destroyed any relationship 100%. Oh yeah. He has oh yeah, they have no and and yeah, I agree with you in your your stream of consciousness, and you're like, and he's like, I'm not working for Ben. You in fact are straight up.
KipYeah, absolutely.
AmandaHe is your HR department, he is the you've got benefits. Yeah, I think there might be a union. You are a straight up employee of this.
Theresa100% for sure.
AmandaLike, where does he get off?
TheresaOh, he's just yeah, dare you.
AmandaI'm here to help you guys. Like, sorry, you just want to die.
TheresaShut up.
KipBut I do believe he believes he is there to help himself die. But he also again But like it's a it it it's both, I think. Like, yes, he wants to die, as we've seen, but like I also think he believes he is there to help them.
AmandaBut then there's more hubris in that, which I don't love, which is again, these people all think they're smarter than Ben.
KipYes, exactly.
AmandaAnd guess what? Literally, none of you are. Nobody is nothing that has happened on this island the entire time Ben Linus has been in your lives, suggests that any of you can outwit him. Yeah, so when you say, I'm working for him, but I'm actually here to help you, and it's like that's essentially what he's saying is like I'm just here because that's how I got here, and I'm actually here to help you. It's like Ben is how many times do I have to tell you, John? I always have a plan. Yeah, you don't align yourself with Ben unless you're entirely okay with the fact that he's in control.
KipExactly. You're never gonna come out on top ever.
AmandaNow, one thing I do have to say about the freighter scene that I find very hilarious is they fix this engine, and then within 20 minutes, a comically large amount of C4 is attached. And then it's Jasmine's like, Michael, come here. Like, Michael's gonna be able to fix this piece.
KipWell, and it's like it's like right there, it's not hidden anywhere. It's behind door number one.
AmandaLike, who did that and when?
KipI don't know. I don't remember.
AmandaAnd why is Jasmine like Michael? You might want to check this out. Like it's like, no, everyone probably should.
KipThe amount, it was like they're like, okay, build it like on set, build, put some C prop C4 there. More, more, more overflowing.
AmandaI truly expected Wiley Coyote to come out in light of Larry Long. You know what I mean?
KipUh it just didn't have time yet.
AmandaI think that they just don't know who to talk to, really, too, right? So, anyway, the reality is that they are bringing back now people to a freighter because that's the only safe place to be, and that freighter is rigged with a shit ton of T4.
KipIt's gonna blow up.
AmandaSo, when you said earlier on that there's some crises forming, uh, everywhere is lava, the floor is lava, everything is lava.
KipOh, yeah, it's just this crazy setup, which is it ultimately is a setup episode for the finale, the two-hour finale. And I think it it does that very well, and it does it without taking away from everything that happened uh during the episode. It wasn't like it was purely a setup. We got some good reveals and we got some good.
TheresaIt was such a whirlwind.
KipYeah.
TheresaIt was a wrong whirlwind.
KipSo I think we should uh get to the um character rankings.
Whiteboard Rankings And Final Ratings
TheresaOh, wait, wait, no, no, no, I'm gonna find out. We have some um we have a couple things to discuss quickly. Um, so we have a whiteboard, which we've mentioned a couple times. Um so one comment that I would like to just briefly touch on says the music. If you don't cry, when that music plays, there might be something wrong with you.
AmandaI cried.
TheresaEveryone, I would like to announce that there is something wrong with me.
AmandaI think they knew.
KipOh, you never cry. I just don't understand. Like, I'm talking about the music in the intro when they're reuniting when they're reuniting and you don't find that so gorgeous? That you cried?
TheresaNo.
KipOh, I it was why would I cry?
AmandaI don't it's gorgeous. That's like it's a it's emotive, it's it invokes feeling.
KipYeah, yeah.
TheresaI was like, Oh, that's nice.
KipSee what I mean?
TheresaThere's something wrong with you. Like that what a lovely moment to like everybody. Oh, especially when Saeed um was like, Oh, I'm alone, and Hilly's like, I got you, bud. Um, and then Kate's like, I got my baby.
KipAmanda and I are just bawling. Teresa, what a lovely moment.
AmandaYeah, that about sums up every experience we've ever had with trees.
TheresaActually, catarizing the times when you guys say something funny. I say that was funny.
AmandaYeah, it's like you only can talk about your emotions, you can't actually experience them and play them.
TheresaI cried reading Song of Achilles. There we go. Okay, there you go. So she does have a soul. Also, Jack holding his gun like that.
KipOh, what was that? When they run into Miles and Sawyer, and like Kate's holding it like a fucking police officer with years of military training, and Jack's just like holding it out like he's just gonna blast off any second. Like, oh, it was just so funny to me. Like, he's just so like manic.
TheresaWhen you say that, I can like see him at him like, yeah, just made me laugh. Um, and then uh we were just gonna discuss the final montage is beautiful.
KipBut I did not cry.
TheresaI also did not cry.
AmandaWhat's the final montage?
KipWell, it's just like all the like all the lead up, it's like uh like Ben sort of it's like slow-mo. Ben's like sort of giving himself up. Sun realizes sort of this like dangerous, like shit. Here we are again. Yeah, she turns around and looks at them a little more. And like it's just sort of everybody's like moment, like this is this is it. Suddenly, it's like everything again, everything's gonna change. Like nothing, nothing nothing that will happen. Yeah, nothing that will happen next is gonna be good.
TheresaWhich makes it like if I was watching this like back in the day, and that was how like obviously that's how it ended, I'd be so angry that I would have to wait two weeks. I know. Like my mom would be like racist.
AmandaWell, you're gonna have to wait two weeks.
TheresaWhy?
AmandaBecause we're not recording right away. I hate to tell you that.
TheresaYeah, but okay, but like I le at least I know how like the whole series ends.
AmandaYeah, you know what I mean?
TheresaLike, whereas they don't know anything.
AmandaYeah, and there's absolutely no way they could have.
TheresaYeah. There's no like reality Steve or whatever. It was very beautiful. What is reality Steve? Reality Steve does spoilers for reality TV.
AmandaLike, and it's annoying because he does like it'll be like before the bachelor at airs and it'll like tell you who won it. Yeah, he's got insider info. I know he's very annoying. Um, speaking of different types of characters, what did this episode do? That was your segue.
TheresaWe're talking about reality Steve. They're still characters. Okay. Alright, so this I did take a photo of. All right. Well, at number 17, uh surprised to no one. Michael, negative 7,940. Followed by Benjamin with negative 510. Followed by Charlotte with negative 1,500 or 155, sorry. Then Miles with negative 150. Uh the top 13 are all in the positives. We got Lapidus with 205, Faraday with 305, Kate with 800. At number 10, we have Locke, 865. Number nine, we have Claire with 910. Number eight, we have Desmond with 1100. At number seven, we have Juliet with 1,110. Number six, we have Jack with 1,930. At number 5, we have Sun with 2,025. Then at number 4, we have Jin with 2,210. Then we have at number 3, Soy, with 2,670. We have uh site at number two with an even 3,000. And at number one, still reigning. Our king, Hurley, 3,400. That's a lot of points.
AmandaWith the everything he does is it's like a 10,000 point sling. Everything Hurley does is so on brand for Hurley. Like I was not if I was writing that, I would have had him bring Said over. It's like everything he does is exactly what you think he would do.
TheresaBecause he's just the sweetest, like most innocent, most wholesome soul.
AmandaOoh, okay. What are we what are we thinking for this episode?
TheresaWe're writing it. Right in it.
AmandaRight in it.
TheresaI'm looking at you, Christopher.
KipAlright. Uh, I give it a nine.
TheresaOh. And how did we get there?
AmandaHe never tells us really.
TheresaNo, sometimes there's sometimes there's three criteria, sometimes there's none.
KipIt's very uh all over the place. This is today, it's just a feel. It's a niner for me. It's a niner.
TheresaNext, we're gonna go with the one in the middle.
AmandaThat's me, I guess.
TheresaYes, it is.
AmandaUm I give it a nine as well. It's it's just a really cool episode. I really like where everything's headed.
TheresaI give it an 8.5. Um, I really liked it. Unfortunately, uh the show is both good and bad for people who um can't turn their brains off. So you tend to deep dive into things that like like, you know Logistically raw. Like really, like that's irrelevant information. It's just me overthinking. So um, but yeah, I really like this episode. I really want to see what happens next as I do not remember. Um and um yeah, Jack did a great job. Pretty good job. Snaps and claps for all. Uh props to Jin for giving it to Michael, props to Sun for giving it to her dad. And um props to Sawyer for Karen Baharley and Jack. That baby is too large. Um still, but then looks the same at five months, three months, two months, eleven months.
AmandaI think he's like two now.
TheresaNo, I mean like at the end at the at Jack's at at Daddy Shepherd's um it's been 10 months. And he was born about a month in, so he's nine months old and he's still the same size.
AmandaI know he hasn't grown. And like That's a weird baby.
TheresaIt's you know what I mean? Like it grew to enormous size and then stayed there. It's very random.
AmandaBut yeah, that was like if you didn't get to finish your stream of content. Exactly. You decide to add in the one at the end.
TheresaApparently. Also, don't give me candy more before we record. No more wine cups for you.
KipNo more candy. Okay, we'll see you next week for the shocking conclusion of season four of Lost.
TheresaBye. Bum bum.