Let's Get Lost 36 - Season 2: The Long Con | Let's Get Lost

Prepare to unravel the deeply entwined threads of lies and loyalty as we dissect "The Long Con," the thirteenth high-stakes episode of Lost's second season. From Sawyer's latest nickname creations that had us in stitches ("El Jacko" and "Anna Lulu" anyone?) to the dramatic abduction that shakes the island's fragile peace, we promise an expedition into the heart of Lost's complex character dynamics.

Hold on to your Dharma beers as we scrutinize Charlie's descent into his darker self and Sawyer's own conniving maneuvers, questioning the integrity of everyone's favourite con man. With Roxann Dawson's nuanced direction under our microscope, we contrast the portrayal of this suspense-riddled episode, unpacking every detail. Plus, don't miss the debut of our new segment, where we bare our souls, offering personal takeaways that add an intimate layer to the analysis—because when it comes to Lost, it's more than just a show; it's a reflection of our own moral compasses.

As we dissect the aftermath of scheming and the ripple effects on the island's community, we'll weigh in on the balance—or lack thereof—between humour and gravity, including Hurley's efforts to keep spirits high with his radio antics. How do these complex individuals shape our perceptions, and how do their actions alter their standings among the survivors? We leave no stone unturned, from the choices of music that set the mood to the potential consequences of naming your kids after flawed characters. Sit back and join us for an exploration as multifaceted as the series itself, where every laugh comes with a side of critical reflection.

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Theresa: We're three best friends and we love lost and we

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love talking, but even more so we love talking about lost.

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So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get

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lost together.

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Hey, welcome back to let's get lost your favorite oceanic trio.

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We have Kipper, amanda and me, and today we'll be talking about

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the long con.

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Amanda: The long con.

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Well, I guess we're getting right into it.

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Theresa: Yeah, getting right into it.

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Kip: Getting right into it.

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Amanda: Yeah, that's just I like to get right into it.

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Getting right into it, Just snippety snap.

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Theresa: Hey Amanda, why don't you tell us what it's all about?

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Amanda: Well, the long con is episode 13.

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If you aren't paying attention of season two, it is written by

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Leonard Dick and Stephen Mada and directed by Rachel Dawson,

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so we have a female director.

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That's amazing.

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I don't know that we've had too many female directors so far.

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Kip: on law, so that's love to see it.

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Amanda: This episode.

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Locke and Jack agree to secure the weapons and medications in

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the armory.

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Jack and Sawyer face off over ownership of the meds.

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Hurley tries to cheer up Said with the radio from the Taley's.

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Sun is grabbed and dragged into the jungle where she is found

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by Sawyer and Kate.

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Jack and Locke discover the weapons missing from the armory

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and that the entire group has been betrayed from within.

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Okay, and just because whenever I'm in charge of the summary, I

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like to also give the Disney Plus one, because I think it's

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hilarious the difference between how much info they the box that

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gives, versus what Disney Plus does.

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The Disney Plus synopsis Survivors fear that the others

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may have returned when Sun is injured.

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Kip: Okay, that's a good one, that's a good one.

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Amanda: That's a good one.

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Kip: That's a good one.

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The DVD one is very in depth.

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Amanda: Yeah, and I know we've talked about it before and you

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know I actually had a few comments from people saying that

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it makes sense if you're buying like an entire series box.

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Kip: that you've probably watched it they're going to be

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more.

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More when you're putting on a streaming service, they're going

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to be a bit lighter.

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Yeah, because they know people are just like they're not going

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right into the other.

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Amanda: But it's just kind of interesting to see the

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difference.

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I actually really liked that one.

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Yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense.

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Kip: I like it too.

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Okay, so the long con.

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Any guesses on IMDB rating?

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Amanda: Oh, it's high, I would think.

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Kip: What do you think?

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Amanda: I think probably 8.7.

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Kip: Teresa 8.2.

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8.6 out of 10.

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Pretty, pretty good 18.7 for million viewers.

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Theresa: So we lost a million.

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Kip: We lost over a million viewers because of that terrible

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episode.

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Amanda: I'm not going to lie, I almost quit the podcast.

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I get it.

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Kip: She did not almost quit, she would never quit.

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Amanda: I would never quit, but, charlie, you are making it

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difficult and you are not helping your case this week.

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Kip: No, oh, okay, so because it's a so higher episode, we are

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having many nicknames.

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Amanda: About 900.

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Kip: There are a total of nicknames that I counted Eight.

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Theresa: Oh, my God Jesus.

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Kip: So we have dimples, dimples .

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Amanda: Sheena.

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Kip: Sheena Hoss, yep Hoss.

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Amanda: Tokyo Rose Awful.

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Theresa: I didn't care for that.

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Kip: Reckles, doc, and my two favorite ones, el Jaco and Anna

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Lulu.

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Amanda: Anna Lulu, I love them.

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Kip: I guess you're not joining El Jaco and Anna Lulu's whatever

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Rambo team.

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Theresa: Oh man, oh, so funny, that's so funny Okay.

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Kip: And it's day 57 on the island Amazing, so we'll get up

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there.

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Amanda: Yeah, they've been there a long time.

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Kip: Almost 60 days.

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That's a lot.

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That's almost two months, all right.

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Amanda: It somehow feels longer.

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Kip: It's been long.

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It's been a long journey so far .

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All right, trivia.

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Who's got their sound effects ready?

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Amanda: Always at the ready.

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Kip: Always at the ready.

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Okay, which character wrote the manuscript?

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Bad twin that Hurley reads on the beach.

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Amanda: So it's already someone we've seen.

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Kip: Yeah, but I don't think you know their name.

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In fact, I can almost guarantee we do not know their name yet,

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unless you read it on the cover of the manuscript.

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Theresa: No, oh, okay.

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Kip: So just now, the name is Gary Troop and he is the man who

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was sucked into the airplane turbine engine shortly after the

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crash in the pilot episode.

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Amanda: Oh, my God Jesus.

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How do we find out?

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Kip: it was him then I don't know, it's just in the lost lore

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, I guess.

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Amanda: Okay, I actually, loki, thought it was a script that a

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character may have brought with them, which?

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Kip: character.

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Amanda: Oh no, it's not I thought that was like some good

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foreshadowing.

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Kip: but Okay, which nickname refers to a jungle dwelling

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comic book character, able to communicate with wild animals,

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who was fiercely proficient in fighting with knives, spears,

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bows and improvised makeshift weapons.

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Amanda: Then then, then, then, then yes.

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Kip: Sheena, sheena, and what's the full name of Sheena?

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Amanda: I don't remember, but wasn't she played by like Tia

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Carrera or something at some point?

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Kip: Maybe I don't actually remember, I just I thought it

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was a cartoon.

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Theresa: Is it not a cartoon?

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Kip: I thought so.

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Theresa: I don't know.

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Kip: But it's Sheena, queen of the Jungle, and of course he

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calls Kate that Referencing the mud hot oil deathmatch.

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Theresa: Oh, he's so gross, that's disgusting.

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That's disgusting Hot oil deathmatch, ew.

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Kip: Okay, I have two more questions.

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This one what year did Josh Holloway make TV guides?

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Top 10 sexiest stars.

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Amanda: I have to think every year.

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Kip: Incorrect Only one year 2005.

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Incorrect 2008.

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Amanda: He does get sexier as the show goes on.

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Kip: When did Lost Finish what year 2010.

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Okay, so it was in his run.

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Amanda: Yeah, 2004 to 2010.

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Kip: Okay, so it was very interesting because of what you

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said during the synopsis.

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This is the only episode of Lost that director Roxanne

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Dawson directed.

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However, she has directed episodes for more than 50

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different television shows, including Charmed, the OC,

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heroes of Good Wife, blah blah blah, many, many more.

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She's also an accomplished actor, having appeared in many

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TV shows, movies and video games .

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Which television show is she best known for appearing in as

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an actor?

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Amanda: Dun dun, dun dun dun.

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But I'm confused because I know exactly if you're talking about

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Roxanne Dawson.

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I can answer that question.

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Yes, but I thought it said Rachel Dawson.

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No, rachel Dawson is the director, according to this.

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Kip: Weird online.

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It said Roxanne Dawson.

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Amanda: Well, I hope that's an error, because Roxanne Dawson

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makes sense.

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Anyway, roxanne Dawson is Belana on Sergered.

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Theresa: Voyager.

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Amanda: And I love her and I followed her career very much.

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Belana was my favorite Voyager character.

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Kip: I'm double checking this right now, but it makes more

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sense.

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Amanda: She does do a lot of TV direction.

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Kip: Yeah, so I think they got it wrong in the TV.

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Amanda: Well then, I want to write them a letter, because

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Roxanne Dawson deserves the credit for this.

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Kip: Yeah, no kidding.

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Amanda: And that also explains why I love this episode so much.

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I love her.

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Theresa: What if this episode was the Charlie episode with the

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same director?

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Well, she didn't write it.

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Kip: Yeah, and she only directed one episode, the whole series

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of Lost See.

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On Wikipedia it says Roxanne.

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Amanda: Okay, that makes sense.

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She is a director.

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That makes more sense.

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I've never heard of Rachel Dawson On IMDb.

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It says Roxanne.

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Yeah, oh wow, roxanne Dawson you are not getting the credit

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you deserve in the box set.

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Kip: Yeah, Roxanne, listen to us .

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Okay, you call your agent and tell them to give ABC hell.

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Amanda: Because you deserve credit for this.

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Yeah, that's pretty shitty of ABC.

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Kip: Yeah, we love Belana, we love Star.

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Amanda: Trek Voyager.

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There wasn't already a podcast about that?

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We might be coming for it.

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Kip: We do love the Star Trek Voyager.

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We do.

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Oh, you do Great.

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Theresa: I only have to appoint, just like seven of nine.

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Kip: Oh really.

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Amanda: You're the opposite of every human being on the planet.

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Theresa: I don't get it.

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I don't see the appeal.

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Kip: Okay, that's okay.

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We'll say that for the Voyager podcast Voyager, not Voyager.

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There isn't Voyager, voyager.

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Theresa: Voyager, I don't even know Zetalu.

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Kip: Zetalu Zeldeme.

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Theresa: Zeldeme Bravo.

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Amanda: Anyway, this episode.

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Kip: Okay, the long con.

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Amanda: We outta here Teresa's stream of consciousness.

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Theresa: Also the long con, all right.

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Well, now at least we know why John kept the statues.

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I thought there was no trust here.

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I mean, I thought there was trust here, but I guess not.

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Or, I guess we'll see.

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You're like John's kind of plan of having them both agree to

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open it.

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Okay, wet Sawyer, yum.

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But also, are you putting dry pants on what?

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Sorry, also, why are we always friends acting people's things?

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Why can't these two ever just get along?

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Ew, why are these people kissing so loud?

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Oh, that's awkward.

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Oh, wow, it's even more awkward because she's like yeah, no,

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that's weird.

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So good for her for figuring that out.

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Oh, it looks like she wants to be a con artist now.

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Okay, um, okay, get his clothes.

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Get off his clothes.

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You rude dude.

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Kate, I don't get why you're still standing on them.

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Okay, so, maybe not too rude because she brought him

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something to read.

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Yeah, but why are they so cute, though I do wonder how long,

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how long, everybody's gonna go before they start humping like

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rabbits.

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Oh, my God, I forgot about the stupid army.

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Aw, hurley, and Said, aw, said, I get you're upset.

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Don't take it out on sweet Hurley.

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You can't take it out on sweet Hurley.

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I'm confused about why Emily C wants the code to.

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I don't understand this situation.

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Also, I hate the stick that she has carrying around.

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Imagine whipping it out of the sling in a rush.

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It's so clunky.

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Kate, how is Sun wearing such white, clean clothes?

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No one's gonna hurt Sun, right, it's Sun, okay.

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No, it's just Vincent, okay, okay, wait, no, sun, sun,

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someone get help, anyone help, okay.

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But seriously, why are Sawyer and Kate so cute?

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You know, this is why we can never assume we're safe on this

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goddamn island.

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Man, I don't trust Analysea.

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Okay, john, with the insight I mean, I don't really get why

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they would be back either.

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I think we need to stop with this army ship, for God's sake.

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I'm kind of a Sawyer on this.

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How did she get away?

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Does one bandaid on your nose make it look like you look?

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Make it look like you've been in a bar fight?

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Does Cassidy have dimples?

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I never noticed.

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Two people just buy jewelry off strangers and we're not at all

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like, okay, well, this is weird.

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It must be so hard for Jen not to know what's up with his wife.

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Oh dear, now it sounds like Kate is just jealous.

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Oh my God.

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Also, girl who plucked your eyebrows.

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One's looking a little sparse.

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Are we really still confused about this whole Scott and Steve

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thing, for God's sake?

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Oh, and now some confrontation.

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Why are we letting the lady with the baby run to get jack

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instead of literally anyone else ?

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My God, the lump on her head is huge.

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Okay, this is why we don't all just have access to guns.

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Why is this our go to?

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Someone gets hurt Gun, someone, we're not sure of something.

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Guns, and is this episode even just called guns?

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Oh my God, is this lady addicted to conning?

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I mean, sorry, just hop in.

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I don't want to go to jail, I'm going to be in handcuffs.

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It's going to be in his bed, not in the jail cell.

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Um, maybe we should do anything else but con with him Like I

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don't want to risk my freedom.

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Y'all just got clean and now y'all gonna get dirty.

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I love the first name bases that John and James are on.

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Look, cuties.

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Whatever happened to two people per shift, though?

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Who's on John's shift with him?

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Man, I feel so sketched out by this John, by his plan John.

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Oh, hey, look, it's Kate's mom.

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Oh my god, are we long conning the along con?

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Wait, this is due inception for me.

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I kinda want a chicken salad sandwich.

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Now See, this is why I don't want to get into this biz.

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It's too scary.

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Why don't we put the numbers in so slowly?

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You can do it a little faster, can you?

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Also, jack, you just went back on your word.

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There's something weird about Anna-Lucy is sitting in the

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middle of the sand, whittling in the dark.

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Everyone is mad and screaming at each other.

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What the fuck is going on.

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Kate, I knew there was something sus about this whole time.

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Oh, I see, he long conned the island.

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This whole thing feels kind of out of left field, to be honest.

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He was all happy and whatnot, and now he's like on the sheriff

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.

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Now bitches, like for what?

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How do you believe this is real ?

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Now, ma'am, I can't remember this lady's name.

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If it's real, now you know what .

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This is why we don't do these things, friends.

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I can't trust anyone.

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Now, is he long conning?

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The long con's long con?

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Did that even make sense?

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I'm lost.

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I'm sad that this is how things are going on with them.

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I was actually shipping Kate and Sawyer for a hot minute.

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Oh what you're reading Hurley.

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Oh, my God, what is this music and why is it so off-putting?

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For God's sake, I should have known that Sawyer was part of it

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or Charlie was part of it.

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I hate Charlie in this evil face.

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He's so annoying and brooding.

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Also, why would you ask him this now, like, who cares?

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You had your own agenda.

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You don't care.

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Sawyer, why are you counting?

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Whose house is this?

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Oh, that's sad.

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The end, yay, yeah, I mean, there's lots to that there's

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some good stuff.

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Kip: Yeah okay, I have some questions for you.

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Okay, dry pants, so are you putting on dry?

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Theresa: pants In the beginning.

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When he comes out of the water he's wet in his boxers.

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Kip: Yeah.

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Theresa: And he puts his pants on.

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Amanda: So my question to your question is are you upset that

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he didn't wait till he dried more, or did you also want his

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pants to be wet?

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Kip: Yeah.

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Theresa: That's what I'm confused about.

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Would you, if you had wet bottoms on, put on dry pants, or

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would you wait to dry off a little?

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Kip: and then put your pants on.

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Theresa: Yeah, Like what is the thought process?

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Because it's just in the sand.

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Kip: What I'm concerned about when your pants wet and in the

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sand, getting sand in there.

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Theresa: But that's what I mean.

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Kip: With your wet bottoms.

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It's so sticky yeah.

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Theresa: Many issues like there's some logistical issues.

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Amanda: I don't think they're overly hygienic or dry.

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Most of the time no.

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Kip: Can you?

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Oh yeah, I don't want to think about that anymore because it

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goes down to dark, dirty way.

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Okay, I agree about the ransacking, like that's all,

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like they ever do.

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Amanda: Yeah, they never.

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I can't handle Jack anymore Ransack.

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Theresa: He just always wears whatever he's wearing.

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Ransack and Jack.

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Kip: I mean okay, however, the pills yeah.

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Theresa: Like not great.

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Kip: Not great Like that's on Sawyer.

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Theresa: Yeah, oh, absolutely.

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Kip: However, jack don't just ransack.

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Theresa: But hostility, but also the same time, but also the

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same time.

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Kip: Sawyer wouldn't have given them to him, as we just saw.

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Theresa: No, I don't think.

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But like would he have if he had been like, hey, the pills

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are missing, Did you?

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Or like if they had gotten Kate to do it, or anyone else Like?

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Amanda: I think there was probably a better way to do it.

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Theresa: I just do it.

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Yeah, like I just don't think that it was the best idea to go

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in there and just like guns blazing and ripping through some

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shit.

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Let's go to you.

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Kip: But at the same time, I think like everyone's also just

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kind of sick of Sawyer hoarding shit.

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Theresa: Yeah.

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Kip: Like enough already with now we got to play games to get

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fucking pills back.

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Theresa: Yeah, it's annoying and I don't really get why he stole

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the pills, like the whole thing just was kind of weird, so

00:15:40
weird about stuff.

00:15:41
Kip: Like you know, it's very weird.

00:15:43
It's like a pack rat Okay, the first name basis.

00:15:46
So cute See.

00:15:48
I don't think it's cute.

00:15:49
Amanda: I don't think it was cute either.

00:15:50
I also didn't know that.

00:15:50
No, I think it's like weird kind of intimidation thing.

00:15:55
Lock does it to piss him off.

00:15:57
I know it's cute.

00:15:58
And then Sawyer does it back because he's mocking him.

00:16:02
Theresa: I know it's cute, but they're not friends.

00:16:05
I didn't say they were friends, I said it was cute.

00:16:07
Okay, different interpretations .

00:16:09
Kip: That's cool.

00:16:09
That's what lost is all about.

00:16:13
The other ones I'll get to later.

00:16:15
Theresa: Yeah, we talked through the episode.

00:16:17
Kip: But good, good, uh.

00:16:18
Stream of consciousness, teresa .

00:16:19
Very good points I'll let's talk about today.

00:16:22
Amanda: Um, okay, so you know how Teresa always does the

00:16:24
stream of consciousness.

00:16:25
You probably are familiar with it because she just did it.

00:16:27
Um, I've decided I'm going to have my own thing.

00:16:30
Kip: Okay, oh my God, it's going to be this every day, every day

00:16:34
, every day, I mean every episode.

00:16:37
Amanda: I'm going to tell you my overarching takeaway from the

00:16:41
episode is that are you drunk?

00:16:48
Theresa: No, that was a drooling noise.

00:16:50
Amanda: Oh my God, no, you got to do like the Simpsons, like,

00:16:55
yeah, it's not that, no, these are going to be okay, you guys

00:17:00
are sick.

00:17:00
But no, it's going to be more like high brow, like high level

00:17:04
thinking for the episode, you think you're so high brow, Hi

00:17:12
brow, I'm thinking no.

00:17:13
I'm not high brow, that's the wrong word.

00:17:15
I mean like it's going to be more, like it's not going to be

00:17:17
like.

00:17:18
Kip: High level.

00:17:19
Yeah, I get it.

00:17:21
Amanda: An overview of like my thoughts as a whole and how this

00:17:23
episode affected it.

00:17:24
Kip: Okay, so this is day one.

00:17:25
All right, let's hear it.

00:17:26
Amanda: This is my overall thought for this episode.

00:17:28
If you are a lost fan, I implore you to rewatch this

00:17:33
series at various points in your life, because I love lock so

00:17:39
much more.

00:17:39
I like lock so much more this watch than I ever did before and

00:17:46
I have to think it's like just like maturity and being like

00:17:49
understanding more different places in life, cause when I was

00:17:52
22, I hated lock, but at 35, I love lock.

00:17:58
Theresa: Bitch, you're not 35.

00:18:03
Amanda: And that's Theresa's figure out takeaway.

00:18:05
But you know what I mean?

00:18:07
Okay, because like what?

00:18:09
So that's my whole thing.

00:18:10
This episode showed me the whole time I was like man locks

00:18:14
actually fucking smart and wise and cool.

00:18:16
I would never have thought that 10 years ago.

00:18:19
Kip: Okay, how old are you?

00:18:23
Amanda: 36, I guess I guess I literally just turned 36

00:18:28
straight.

00:18:28
What is this?

00:18:29
Why is this one no?

00:18:30
Kip: no, no, okay, Are you talking about John Locke?

00:18:33
Amanda: The character of John Locke, the character played by

00:18:37
Terry O'Quinn.

00:18:39
Kip: So you're talking about John Locke, so you're saying you

00:18:41
, because of this episode, you love him even more.

00:18:44
Amanda: It showed me how much I like.

00:18:46
I like, appreciate and respect, and like John.

00:18:51
Kip: Wow.

00:18:52
Amanda: Way more than I like before.

00:18:52
Like when I watched it, like in the original time frame or

00:18:55
whatever, I thought lock was obnoxious, I thought he was

00:18:59
heavy handed, I thought whatever .

00:19:01
And now I like, really like him .

00:19:05
Kip: Okay.

00:19:06
Amanda: Like he's wise.

00:19:08
Kip: I have an announcement too.

00:19:09
I was going to save it, but I have to say it.

00:19:12
So I've started doing my own character rank.

00:19:17
Theresa: Oh, my God, I love this .

00:19:20
Kip: And I'm not.

00:19:21
I don't know what I.

00:19:23
What I need to say right now is I watched this episode like

00:19:26
four times in the past two weeks , just because I've been

00:19:29
watching it all over the place.

00:19:30
I watched it two days ago and then I watched it again today.

00:19:32
I like lock less.

00:19:35
Oh my goodness.

00:19:37
Amanda: Oh, that's surprising.

00:19:37
Then, the first time you like, the last time you watched it,

00:19:40
yes, this episode I was like oh, he's driving me bananas so.

00:19:45
Kip: and he ranked second last on my character rankings today.

00:19:50
Amanda: Really yeah.

00:19:51
Kip: But I didn't want to.

00:19:52
He's so wise.

00:19:53
He's so dumb.

00:19:54
Amanda: Oh my goodness, this is controversial.

00:19:57
You just get so wolf Like the fleece.

00:19:59
Kip: Oh yes, they all do, but him especially.

00:20:04
Theresa: It seems unlikely that that would happen to him, though

00:20:06
.

00:20:07
Amanda: I meant more of the stuff leading up to the.

00:20:09
The like well, just like his philosophy on it, like we're

00:20:13
going to go through the whole thing, but like his philosophy

00:20:15
on everything, like even the conversation starting like let's

00:20:18
just start at the beginning when they're at we'll talk about

00:20:21
the episode, with this overarching theme in the back of

00:20:23
our minds, of how Kip thinks less of lock and I think more of

00:20:27
lock, wow.

00:20:28
Kip: I think we can all agree.

00:20:31
Amanda: Story is a dick in this episode though.

00:20:33
Lock has some more nuances to him.

00:20:35
Even the beginning the lock jack combination thing.

00:20:40
Right, that makes sense to me where lock is coming from on

00:20:43
that and like his wanting them to like both have it and like

00:20:48
his conversation with him and like how he has all the heroin

00:20:51
and he thinks he might have therapeutic value and the only

00:20:55
thing I didn't buy is like the whole.

00:20:56
I'm superstitious, I don't want to break them open thing.

00:20:58
That was weird.

00:20:59
Kip: Yeah, I didn't buy that either, see, but I see, like

00:21:03
that, that safe scene, combination scene, like I agree

00:21:10
they both should have the combo, but I just felt like lock was

00:21:15
just so weird in it Like I'm going to assume you're doing

00:21:20
this because you think something bad might happen to me, and

00:21:24
it's, he just had this.

00:21:25
He also had like this very almost I know more than you, I

00:21:29
know better than you attitude this in a different way than

00:21:33
jack did.

00:21:33
Like lock was like I really should be the only one trusted

00:21:36
with this, but because I need, I need you, so I'm going to go

00:21:41
along with this, but you could see how hard it was for him to

00:21:46
give up that code or the, the combination, like it, just like

00:21:49
he didn't want to give it up.

00:21:51
Amanda: So I don't think he trusts him.

00:21:53
Kip: So I don't think so either.

00:21:54
But like none, nobody trusts anybody.

00:21:56
Amanda: I know that's my point, but I think it makes sense not

00:21:59
to like he really was right.

00:22:01
Trusting people screwed everyone over.

00:22:03
Kip: Yeah, but jack also shouldn't trust lock, because

00:22:05
look what lock did.

00:22:06
Amanda: Correct.

00:22:08
Kip: So, like they, you're right in that nobody trusts anybody,

00:22:10
and they shouldn't, For a very valid reason 57 days in it,

00:22:14
we're at fucking square one on the trust scale.

00:22:16
It's just fucking everyone over .

00:22:18
That's funny.

00:22:20
Amanda: But I liked it.

00:22:21
I like that he does come.

00:22:22
He does do it as well.

00:22:24
Right, like he doesn't actually , but like that makes sense to

00:22:27
me.

00:22:27
Um, so it is interesting because there's so much about

00:22:33
jack and lock in this episode that's important to their

00:22:36
character development as well.

00:22:37
It is a Sawyer episode.

00:22:39
Um, I don't know if we want to talk about the flashbacks or we

00:22:43
want to just talk about flashbacks first.

00:22:46
Kip: Let's I mean first we've already talked about a bunch of

00:22:48
stuff but let's, let's go into the flashbacks and kind of get

00:22:50
them over with, because like the not over with I shouldn't say

00:22:53
but they I don't really know.

00:22:55
I guess they show us that Sawyer, while a con man and

00:22:59
that's what he does and that's what he knows best still can

00:23:02
fall for someone and can still, although he still cons her, so

00:23:07
fucks her over.

00:23:07
So yeah, I don't know.

00:23:09
Amanda: No, what does it tell us ?

00:23:10
It tells us exactly what.

00:23:12
So let's talk about the flashbacks.

00:23:15
It tells us, I think, the exact two things that Kate and Sawyer

00:23:21
say at the end.

00:23:21
It tells us that Sawyer is a bad person who has not done a

00:23:26
good thing in his life and that he wants everyone to hate him.

00:23:30
His kid is 100% accurate about that Like she.

00:23:33
Clearly that's accurate.

00:23:35
Kip: She gets it.

00:23:36
Amanda: Right, and I think that's what it's supposed to

00:23:37
show us, cause I think I think what the flashbacks are maybe

00:23:39
supposed to do is a little bit of a misdirect on his own.

00:23:43
I think we're supposed to think that Sawyer was affected by

00:23:49
this woman and that he is capable of a change, and maybe,

00:23:55
you know, we're going to see some more of that on the island

00:23:58
as well, because as the flashbacks are happening, we

00:24:00
kind of see him like what it looks like to be kind of helping

00:24:03
Kate and like whatever, right.

00:24:05
So I mean, what I thought when I saw these flashbacks is we're

00:24:10
going to show, it's going to show us how he got.

00:24:12
He got kind of fucked over and that maybe helped explain why

00:24:16
he's so angry.

00:24:16
But that's not really what happens, right, like he still

00:24:20
ends up like fucking over that, like Cassidy person.

00:24:24
Kip: Yeah, yeah, like it kind of makes it seem like he's going

00:24:27
to, like, do the right thing.

00:24:28
Cause he says tells Gordy he loves her and or that he's

00:24:31
fallen for her.

00:24:31
Gordy reads between the lines.

00:24:32
Also a little shout out to Kate's mom Different diner.

00:24:36
So she must do like a diner to her Couple diners.

00:24:41
What's it?

00:24:42
Do we know what city they were in?

00:24:44
Amanda: I don't think so.

00:24:45
Kip: I'll be curious.

00:24:45
Put some clues together, but yeah, no different diner.

00:24:49
Small world Kate's mom.

00:24:52
Amanda: Well, I mean, there is some like room for

00:24:54
interpretation on it too, because when he like so, we see

00:24:58
him kind of you know, obviously she was the con from the

00:25:01
beginning, and like when he's like explaining how cons worked

00:25:05
her, he's like, oh, you have to like make it seem like it's

00:25:08
their idea, and that's kind of what ends up happening.

00:25:10
And then we see him talk to Gordy at the diner and like

00:25:13
she's not there, and so the only thing would be is if, like, if

00:25:17
that wasn't somewhat genuine, it's only to also fuck over

00:25:22
Gordy.

00:25:23
Kip: Right.

00:25:23
Amanda: Right cause, like why would he tell Gordy about that?

00:25:26
Kip: or like let Gordy make those assumptions, I do think

00:25:30
that he maybe did start to feel something for Cassidy.

00:25:35
Amanda: Well, I wonder if we are supposed to kind of believe it,

00:25:36
cause, like at the end there, he like looks at the picture of

00:25:39
the two of them.

00:25:40
Kip: Yeah, that was a nice picture For like a bit of time

00:25:42
and then like flips it over.

00:25:43
Amanda: So I think for sure at the worst he has like mixed

00:25:48
feelings about what happened, and I think at the best he does

00:25:51
care about her a lot.

00:25:52
It's just a matter of.

00:25:54
Kip: So do you think I guess so he was supposed to accidentally

00:26:00
break open the oh right cause that's part of the con?

00:26:03
Yeah, but do you think the fake , like the newspaper money, was

00:26:07
part of the con too?

00:26:08
Amanda: that she would like realize it's all fake and yeah,

00:26:12
yeah, I think that was the whole idea, because what I'm thinking

00:26:14
is like when they came across her and realized she had a lot

00:26:17
of money, they realized she was also quite smart.

00:26:20
Yeah, she's very bright and that that regular kind of thing

00:26:25
wasn't going to work on her.

00:26:26
So what would work on her?

00:26:28
Kip: They came up with this one thing.

00:26:29
Amanda: And if she is recently divorced, she'd probably you

00:26:32
know, sensitive and vulnerable to that, so stuff like that.

00:26:36
Kip: I would like to know what their situation was, where, in a

00:26:39
divorce, she even gets $600 .

00:26:42
Theresa: Yeah, no kidding.

00:26:43
Kip: I liked Sawyer's comment like well, let's just go on a

00:26:45
beach and drink my ties, or whatever.

00:26:47
Amanda: Till we go toes up, yeah , I was like that's cute, Just

00:26:50
do that.

00:26:50
I would love to.

00:26:52
Kip: Although I guess he did end up on an island.

00:26:54
Amanda: Yeah, he might go toes up.

00:26:56
Who knows what's gonna happen.

00:26:57
No, no, no he toes, though.

00:26:58
Theresa: No, he toes.

00:26:58
Amanda: And they took his beer.

00:26:59
Kip: They did take his beer.

00:27:00
He was so pissed off about that .

00:27:01
So the flashbacks were were interesting.

00:27:06
Yeah, you kind of see a little bit of depth into Sawyer and to

00:27:10
like, we kind of saw that in his other flashbacks too, like with

00:27:13
the kid, and he saw the kid and refused to go through with the,

00:27:15
the con and the last or the deal and the last flashback.

00:27:19
Really, is this the first Sawyer flashback since that one?

00:27:23
I think so.

00:27:24
Wow, it's been a long time, a long con.

00:27:27
Amanda: Look, I think the reality is that we all know that

00:27:30
Sawyer has summer demon qualities.

00:27:33
He has some soft spots or things he's just exceptionally

00:27:36
damaged, and anytime he feels wronged he lashes out.

00:27:41
Kip: Yeah, so I just it's so crazy to me that because he is

00:27:46
so mad that they took stuff from his stash, that he would come

00:27:53
up with this insane con.

00:27:55
Amanda: So what I?

00:27:56
What I?

00:27:57
Now we are just jumping over the place for who cares.

00:27:59
But I kind of gleaned from that speech he does at the end yeah.

00:28:03
His.

00:28:04
Yes, he does not like that Jack Rans act, his, his stuff and

00:28:09
whatever.

00:28:10
But I think what it is and I like maybe I'm going to in depth

00:28:14
and giving him too much, but I think what you can kind of hear

00:28:18
from him is when he talks about how it's not just the pills, it

00:28:21
was everything after he left and this idea.

00:28:25
I think what bothers him is that he actually did try to

00:28:28
genuinely do something good and he got fucked over anyway.

00:28:31
And I think that's like a Sawyer soft spot, Like he really

00:28:36
doesn't like this idea that when he tries to do something

00:28:39
good or be helpful, it like he gets fucked over for it, right

00:28:43
Cause he does say to them like I'm out there trying to help you

00:28:45
and you guys are taking my shit .

00:28:46
Kip: Yeah, but I think, like it's you gotta, I don't think

00:28:49
that he went on the raft to try to save everybody because, like

00:28:54
when he got on the raft, it was more like an impulse because he

00:28:57
was frustrated with Kate.

00:29:01
Amanda: But he still like.

00:29:02
He thinks they should see it as him doing something good,

00:29:04
that's true.

00:29:05
And then how could they treat him badly if he's doing this

00:29:08
thing?

00:29:08
Cause how many tell like he does gross stuff like that all

00:29:10
the time, like he'll give them something if Kate kisses him and

00:29:13
like all this stuff, right, because he does like this idea

00:29:16
of kind of hoarding over people, like it's just like another

00:29:20
control mechanism for him, right , and he doesn't, like I really

00:29:23
don't think he likes that Jack like is so like publicly like

00:29:29
awful to him, like he clearly cares a lot like about, yeah,

00:29:32
this image probably cause he does want people to hate him,

00:29:35
like Kate said, like it's just, he's very, I don't know.

00:29:39
I kind of feel like they kind of did his character dirty this

00:29:42
episode by making it a little bit more one note than I think

00:29:45
that maybe Swearer needs to be at this point.

00:29:48
Kip: Yeah, because he says at the end, when he says to Charlie

00:29:51
, I've never done anything good in my life, it's like well, no,

00:29:54
we saw you on the raft like trying to help Michael and Walt.

00:29:57
Like we know you've done good things.

00:29:58
So like maybe this episode was a little bit too like you say.

00:30:03
One note on Swearer, when it could have been probably a bit

00:30:06
more nuanced and I think they could have wove a little bit

00:30:09
more depth into his on island actions, like they were trying

00:30:14
to do with the flashback actions , even though we saw kind of

00:30:16
like it was all for naught in the flashback, but a few things,

00:30:20
Okay.

00:30:20
So, trisha, you were pretty annoyed with Anna Lucia in your

00:30:23
stream of consciousness.

00:30:26
Theresa: Not super annoyed, I just like.

00:30:28
She was just like kind of sketchy Like in what way?

00:30:32
Like when Locke is kind of sitting at that fire right

00:30:36
before Swearer, like shoots off the gun.

00:30:38
She's just kind of like in the middle of everyone, just kind of

00:30:40
like whittling away at like her stick or a piece of wood, I

00:30:44
don't know.

00:30:45
It just seemed like.

00:30:46
She just seems like very out of place but like deliberately

00:30:50
there so that we think something different.

00:30:52
Kip: Yeah, I think they obviously structured it to make

00:30:54
us think that it's funny, because I didn't really notice

00:30:56
that.

00:30:57
But I noticed John sitting there just like straight face

00:30:59
looking out into the ocean, oh yeah.

00:31:00
And I was like what the hell, john, like you just sit there.

00:31:03
How often does he just stare longingly into the ocean Quite?

00:31:07
A few times, many times.

00:31:08
And like when she was talking to Jack about the combination, I

00:31:14
didn't find that sketchy.

00:31:15
It was almost to me like she was sort of like testing Jack,

00:31:20
like just sort of like being almost like still she's still

00:31:25
trying to figure him out a little bit, like can she trust

00:31:28
him?

00:31:28
And let's not forget, she's on this army thing because of Jack.

00:31:35
Yeah, that's, true, and kind of like what we know, what they

00:31:38
have gone through in terms of dealing with the others.

00:31:40
So she's all still pretty amped up about their dangerous and

00:31:44
their real threat and Jack came to her wanting to start this

00:31:48
army and she's like taking it seriously, understandably.

00:31:52
So I don't think it's necessarily fair to like kind of

00:31:54
be on her case about the army thing when she's doing it

00:31:56
because Jack asked her to.

00:31:58
Theresa: I think I just find her sketchy like overall.

00:32:00
I think that's just like the vibe that I get from her.

00:32:02
Amanda: So anytime she's like on screen, I'm always like I think

00:32:05
they're trying I think that was a little bit to like make

00:32:09
Sawyer's like position more believable yeah.

00:32:13
Kip: Yeah, I agree, it was almost like, especially with the

00:32:16
Kate versus Anna Lucia stuff, I was like give me a break.

00:32:19
Amanda: But like that was annoying.

00:32:20
It is funny to me how easily manipulated Kate is by Sawyer

00:32:27
when it comes to Jack Like.

00:32:30
And it's funny because, like I actually was thinking another

00:32:34
weird thought overall thought I had is actually like Kate in

00:32:36
this episode for like 80% of it, like I think she looks cute, I

00:32:42
think she acts cute, I think she's sweet in it, I think she's

00:32:45
fun, I like that she's like brings Sawyer the magazine and

00:32:48
they're like hanging out.

00:32:49
I like that she like listens to what he has to say, but it's

00:32:53
just as soon as like this like issue of Jack and Anna Lucia

00:32:56
comes up, she like of course Sawyer was able to like con her.

00:33:01
Yeah, exactly, because like she's so like that's a big part

00:33:03
of conning people right, or like manipulating them or whatever

00:33:06
you want to call.

00:33:06
It is like knowing kind of where their vulnerabilities are.

00:33:08
And she has such a blind spot when it comes to anything to do

00:33:12
with Jack and that she of course immediately believed that, like

00:33:16
Anna Lucia was like doing doing something bad.

00:33:20
Kip: How funny was that?

00:33:21
Like slow motion, stare between the two of them Like Anna Lucia

00:33:25
.

00:33:25
Theresa: That was ridiculous.

00:33:26
Kip: It's like, okay, calm this down.

00:33:28
Theresa: We're laying that on a little fan.

00:33:29
Yeah, exactly.

00:33:30
Kip: And I agree, theresa, like the Scott Steve stuff, like give

00:33:33
it a rest.

00:33:34
Theresa: Like that.

00:33:34
I think we're good.

00:33:35
Kip: Enough already.

00:33:35
And how would she even know that one name is wrong?

00:33:38
She never met one of them.

00:33:39
Theresa: Well exactly, she would just know the one name.

00:33:41
Kip: Exactly Like that was stupid.

00:33:42
I was like, okay, we're done with this, yeah yeah.

00:33:47
Theresa: Let's, let's also just like let the man rest in peace,

00:33:51
you know.

00:33:53
Kip: So son gets kidnapped or taken whatever.

00:33:56
I thought it was funny when Sawyer was like it's the wrong

00:34:01
weave on this hood and I know it's supposed to be about how he

00:34:05
notices details and stuff I'm like I don't think Sawyer would

00:34:08
have noticed the weave on the hood.

00:34:09
No, they ripped off of Kate few days ago.

00:34:13
Amanda: Also, what's just?

00:34:13
Kip: in the dark, they don't have like 20 different hoods.

00:34:15
Amanda: Yeah, exactly.

00:34:17
Theresa: Yeah, the whole thing was just a little bit.

00:34:20
Kip: But I weird, yeah, weird.

00:34:23
How does Charlie know how to do that?

00:34:26
Theresa: Because he's in his evil phase.

00:34:28
Amanda: Guys, I'm going to be honest with you.

00:34:29
I think son could take Charlie.

00:34:32
Theresa: I think a hundred percent.

00:34:34
Amanda: I thought that, like one of might be one of the most,

00:34:36
like he did, obviously, you know , come up from behind.

00:34:40
Kip: Get her by surprise.

00:34:41
Amanda: Surprise, but I still think she could take him.

00:34:43
Maybe that's actually what happened.

00:34:44
Maybe Charlie didn't mean to let her go.

00:34:46
Probably did actually fight loose.

00:34:49
Kip: Well, because even Kate's.

00:34:50
Like you know, people are, do and can do amazing things when

00:34:53
they're fighting for their life, and so it's like that's when

00:34:56
the hot oil death match comment comes out Disgusting, of course.

00:35:00
Amanda: I do like just kind of going back to like flashbacks

00:35:03
into this thing.

00:35:04
I really did like I find particularly the flashbacks To

00:35:09
be some of the stuff I remember the least, just because

00:35:11
obviously the on island stuff is going to be like what kind of

00:35:14
the main narrative was.

00:35:16
I did remember this episode and that Sawyer was involved with a

00:35:20
woman and that as soon as it came up I knew that she was

00:35:24
going to know that like that wasn't that the con or whatever.

00:35:27
But I for some reason thought or think or thought it might be

00:35:31
that like something went wrong with her in a way that like

00:35:35
upset Sawyer and that like we're going to see like that's why

00:35:39
he's so untrusting now and that's why, like I still don't

00:35:42
think we got that like kind of connection piece for this.

00:35:45
Like he ends up screwing her on like off the island and they

00:35:50
screws them all over on the island.

00:35:52
So what are we supposed to take from this?

00:35:53
Just exactly like what he says he's a bad person or what Kate

00:35:57
says that she wants he wants everyone to hate him.

00:35:59
But then why, right, why do we still not have a why when it

00:36:04
comes to it's?

00:36:05
Kip: a good question.

00:36:06
Well, what are your thoughts on it?

00:36:08
Why does he want that?

00:36:11
Amanda: Well, and that's what I mean, like I almost feel like if

00:36:13
it had turned out like she did, like I'm just like, like Gordie

00:36:17
did kill Cassidy or like did something and the lesson is like

00:36:21
if he gets close to people they get hurt, or if they get, if he

00:36:24
gets close to people, they fuck him over.

00:36:26
You know, like I understand these are kind of cliched

00:36:29
storylines anyway, but at least to be something to like point to

00:36:32
like why Sawyer is doing trying so hard to keep everyone at it,

00:36:36
because I agree that it does seem like what he's trying to do

00:36:38
.

00:36:38
Yeah, because him and Kate especially, we're like getting

00:36:40
along so well.

00:36:41
He seems to always want that right and they're probably the

00:36:45
best they've been, and he fucks it over.

00:36:49
Kip: Yeah, and like even earlier in the season, like he, when

00:36:52
Kate's cutting his hair or whatever, and she says to him

00:36:57
people are glad you're OK or whatever.

00:36:59
Somehow it comes out, and even her is like hey, sawyer, glad

00:37:01
you're back, and he gets all like weird about it.

00:37:02
So he doesn't want people to like him or to be close to him.

00:37:05
Amanda: Yeah, but yeah, we don't know why.

00:37:06
I don't really know why.

00:37:07
Kip: Like it's just a lifetime of conning people has turned him

00:37:11
into, has given him a fear of getting close to folks.

00:37:15
Amanda: And I mean we know the whole like his parents thing.

00:37:17
Kip: Yeah.

00:37:17
Amanda: Obviously it's pretty fucked up.

00:37:19
Kip: Mm, hmm.

00:37:19
Theresa: Oh yeah.

00:37:21
Amanda: So obviously he believes that like love hurts, but also

00:37:26
like I'm not sure that's enough really at this point for me to

00:37:29
be convinced that he would like still, because we do see some

00:37:34
moments of like him trying to like be a part of stuff or like

00:37:38
do things that are helpful, and it's like why isn't that

00:37:41
momentum kind of building a bit, especially with Kate?

00:37:43
I think if he hadn't Fucked over Kate I would be a little

00:37:49
bit more buying the fucking over everyone thing.

00:37:52
Kip: But like I feel like he must be close to Kate I think he

00:37:54
does and he kind of like says this thing like good thing you

00:37:58
don't hate me, freckles or whatever you know, almost like a

00:38:01
little caveat, like please don't hate me, like that's his

00:38:03
way of saying I'm sorry in a weird way, but I think maybe

00:38:08
it's also because he just really is pissed off at Jack and it's

00:38:12
like, and at everybody apparently for taking quote,

00:38:14
unquote his stuff, even though he got it from the wreckage

00:38:16
right.

00:38:18
So it's like so it's.

00:38:19
Not only is that he's trying to like push people away, but he's

00:38:23
just trying to prove a point that he can probably Turn things

00:38:26
around on people.

00:38:27
He can get back at Jack and in a way and unfortunately he needs

00:38:31
to use Kate to make that happen and it's so.

00:38:36
It's unfortunate, but he's like , willing to do it.

00:38:38
It's unfortunate, but he's like , willing to do it, willing to

00:38:40
like.

00:38:41
Amanda: Yeah.

00:38:41
Kip: To use her to get back at Jack and to piss him off.

00:38:45
And just like I think he says that to lock at one point, it's

00:38:47
like you know it'll piss off Jack.

00:38:49
I think those are his exact words Lock.

00:38:53
Amanda: So lock is the only voice of reason.

00:38:58
Kip: But when?

00:38:59
How?

00:39:00
Why Shower me with your lock love?

00:39:02
Theresa: Kate, oh, no, no no no, no no, that's just.

00:39:10
Let's try that again.

00:39:12
Shower me with your ideas about lock.

00:39:17
Ok.

00:39:18
Amanda: Um, he always keeps like a very cool.

00:39:22
Kip: Yeah, he does.

00:39:22
Amanda: Like Jack.

00:39:23
He really is a good foil to Jack because Jack comes in guns,

00:39:28
blazing, ripping apart like you know stuff.

00:39:31
And it's so funny to me because Jack is a doctor Like, yes,

00:39:36
he's like used to like being able to fix things and get in

00:39:39
and this and that, but he's also , like you would believe a

00:39:43
doctor would be measured and logical and and and you know

00:39:48
specific in their actions.

00:39:50
Not this like kind of like you know bull in a china shop type

00:39:53
attitude that Jack seemed to have adopted since he's been on

00:39:56
this island.

00:39:57
Um, john is very like careful with what he does and what he

00:40:02
says and what he like puts out into the universe.

00:40:04
And, like he, whenever everyone starts getting worked up, he's

00:40:08
like the first to kind of be like, ok, we're not going to Arm

00:40:12
a bunch of randoms, that was good.

00:40:14
And like say like we're going to have another accident, yeah

00:40:17
Right.

00:40:19
Kip: No, I agree that that scene specifically was very A good

00:40:24
scene for lock, in that he's sort of like he knows he has to

00:40:27
hear Jack out, he almost has to placate him and be like sounds

00:40:31
like a plan.

00:40:32
You know he's like whatever, jack, but he he was truthful.

00:40:35
It was good that he said that we're going to have another

00:40:37
accident.

00:40:37
You can't just go arming people .

00:40:39
So that was good.

00:40:40
Of lock, I agree.

00:40:41
Um, he is often that calm voice , sort of like let's take a step

00:40:46
back and think things through a little bit before we react.

00:40:49
Only I think, sorry, go ahead.

00:40:52
Theresa: I think that's why I have such a hard time with John

00:40:55
being part of the the cotton.

00:40:56
Yeah, Because I just don't believe that he would act so

00:41:00
quickly to take all the guns out , yeah, and to hide it, but

00:41:03
that's it, doesn't make sense to me, like I think that he would

00:41:06
sooner change the combination, then Take them all out and hide

00:41:10
them somewhere in the jungle, like that just doesn't seem like

00:41:14
something he would do, especially like he has this like

00:41:16
fear on his face that like Doesn't compute for me, I agree.

00:41:21
Kip: Like when he it just seemed out of character to be so easy,

00:41:26
so easily fooled by Sawyer, to be conned by Sawyer.

00:41:31
I think he would have done something like change the lock,

00:41:34
to take that sober.

00:41:35
Second thought to slow John, to slow Jack down and to be able

00:41:40
to sort of like calm.

00:41:40
This calm situation not necessarily like this is.

00:41:44
This is him pulling a jack and he's reacting and being like hey

00:41:47
we got to take all these guns out of it and it's like that was

00:41:49
just so.

00:41:49
It didn't seem Like lock to me.

00:41:54
Theresa: Yeah, same here.

00:41:56
Amanda: See, I think it kind of does make sense though for like

00:41:58
the when they're at, because I think that's kind of why that

00:42:02
first scene happens, because it's a show that, like lock

00:42:07
Really doesn't trust Jack and he doesn't really trust like that

00:42:12
Jack won't do Anything and everything to like get what he

00:42:17
wants, which is why he says to sorry, right, like I could

00:42:20
change lock, but he'll get in there eventually, right, like,

00:42:23
and stuff like that.

00:42:24
So I think it kind of makes it like I agree that it's like a

00:42:27
pretty Quick reaction to like what's happening, but we also do

00:42:33
see that when lock Kind of gets these like ideas in his head,

00:42:38
he doesn't make good choices.

00:42:40
Right like he didn't make good choices with the like playing

00:42:43
and boon and stuff like that.

00:42:44
If he's like, if he thinks he's right about something, he will

00:42:48
kind of like go out of his way to kind of protect it.

00:42:51
And what I don't, I don't, the part I don't buy, is more that I

00:42:56
don't think he would not have noticed that, charlie was

00:42:58
tracking him.

00:42:59
Theresa: Oh, that also doesn't make any sense.

00:43:01
No, Charlie's not that slick, come on, oh my god.

00:43:04
Kip: He's like the best tracker on the whole beach, like he

00:43:07
notices everything.

00:43:08
Theresa: He notices when people have just been going around in

00:43:10
circles like there's no way.

00:43:12
Amanda: So I think that it's also supposed to kind of tell us

00:43:14
that he's not in his like his best frame of mind.

00:43:16
Best frame of mind either because I think he is freaked

00:43:19
out about like how much this like mob mentality is kind of

00:43:25
like permeating this group.

00:43:29
Kip: But it's like is this the beginning of, like John lock?

00:43:32
I mean, we did have a break of philosophy for lock for quite a

00:43:35
while because there was one point where, like, oh, it's so

00:43:37
nice to have him back and it's like is this him sort of like

00:43:40
falling back into that sort of he's obsessive about something

00:43:45
again in this and this Point?

00:43:48
It's almost like he's obsessive to the fact of he's gonna Be

00:43:52
rising up, rise above John, or not John, he's gonna rise above

00:43:55
Jack and be like the voice of reason, even though he does

00:43:58
something that screws them all over in the end.

00:44:02
But I don't know.

00:44:03
They both.

00:44:04
They both did what they said they wouldn't do.

00:44:06
Yeah so they're both wrong correct.

00:44:10
Theresa: They're both not trustworthy.

00:44:12
Amanda: No no which I mean, I think, we all knew yeah like

00:44:15
they're both kind of hotheaded in a different way.

00:44:17
Yeah right.

00:44:18
Theresa: Yeah like.

00:44:20
Amanda: Hotheaded might not be the right word.

00:44:21
Jack is hotheaded, lock is level-headed, but they're both

00:44:25
very like strong willed strong will and they won't back down.

00:44:28
And they're reactive in very different ways, but reactive

00:44:31
nonetheless and like my favorite part of this episode in terms

00:44:35
of like actual, like scene, like coming together.

00:44:41
I actually love the scene where sorry, it comes out with that

00:44:45
gun, because I think it actually makes total sense that like

00:44:50
they don't really say or do anything.

00:44:52
Yeah like I think at that point that is super on brand for them

00:44:56
because, like to me, it's like oh, we have a lot to say.

00:44:59
99% of the time, yeah but when they have both been kind of like

00:45:03
bamboozled for a lot of the better word they're like Eek,

00:45:08
and I thought that was on character and made sense for the

00:45:10
scene and made sense for like what are they supposed to do?

00:45:13
Like they can't really say or do anything, and I was actually

00:45:16
like impressed that they didn't say or do anything like at that

00:45:21
point and I think it shows just like how much they're like like

00:45:23
actually they it's so true kind of what he says, like sorry, at

00:45:28
one point that like they weren't worried about him.

00:45:30
Yeah, because they were so in each other's, like they didn't

00:45:34
trust each other, that now they got screwed over by someone else

00:45:37
that they weren't even worried about exactly in there like

00:45:40
periphery.

00:45:41
Kip: That is such a good point.

00:45:42
It's like do they learn from this?

00:45:44
Will they learn from this, right?

00:45:46
They like?

00:45:47
I love that line, yet John and Jack were worried too much about

00:45:51
John and Jack Mm-hmm, exactly, jack, or whatever they say, and

00:45:56
it's true, right.

00:45:57
Amanda: Yeah, and then they got and and he got.

00:45:59
He got everyone to care about what they were already, like

00:46:03
kind of low key, obsessed about, so he could just like, like,

00:46:08
like swoop in and Kind of do what he was gonna do right and

00:46:12
control the situation.

00:46:15
Kip: Okay, I laughed out loud when Sawyer said you took my

00:46:19
stuff.

00:46:21
Theresa: Oh, he's like a child.

00:46:22
Kip: I know Like it was just so weird that that's like so he's

00:46:25
clings to.

00:46:26
Amanda: So bad, and that's why I do think it is about something

00:46:30
more than that like it.

00:46:31
I think it's more like the Disrespective it to him because,

00:46:36
like, how, how could he care about all that at this one, and

00:46:40
why hasn't it come up sooner?

00:46:41
Yeah right, it's like he's been kind of like waiting for a

00:46:44
while now for a moment to kind of like and he was, I know he

00:46:47
was injured and this, but like I feel like Jack going through

00:46:52
stuff, it was just like the disrespect of it and this idea

00:46:55
that like no, like I've been injured.

00:46:58
I've been on this raft and I had to walk back with these other

00:47:01
people and you're just gonna walk in here.

00:47:03
I'm not even acknowledging my existence, even though I'm 10

00:47:07
feet from you.

00:47:07
Oh.

00:47:09
Kip: How funny was it giving?

00:47:11
So you're giving Charlie the gears about moving out to the

00:47:14
suburbs.

00:47:14
I'm like boy, these people hated me, but stealing babies

00:47:19
Whoo.

00:47:20
Theresa: Trying to drown?

00:47:21
Yeah, that was.

00:47:22
Kip: That was a good little model.

00:47:23
Amanda: I can't.

00:47:23
Let's talk about the Charlie of it all.

00:47:26
Kip: Yes, please oh.

00:47:27
Amanda: I can't.

00:47:27
What is happening to this person?

00:47:30
Kip: Like I don't even.

00:47:32
Theresa: He's in his evil face, but I don't even.

00:47:35
Amanda: He's dark, charlie.

00:47:36
Now he has his hood up.

00:47:37
Kip: It's gone to dark, charlie.

00:47:39
Amanda: It is funny.

00:47:39
However, it's something bad.

00:47:41
It's it up.

00:47:42
Theresa: It's ridiculous, I can't see you Charlie.

00:47:44
Kip: Like just he just did it to embarrass John Locke.

00:47:48
Amanda: Yeah, that's fucked by the way.

00:47:50
Kip: That is so fucked.

00:47:52
Amanda: I wanted to make him a fool.

00:47:53
I wanted to make him look like a fool.

00:47:55
Kip: You endangered another person's life.

00:47:57
Yeah, you attacked another human being someone that you

00:48:00
know and and Respect my life care.

00:48:03
Amanda: Yeah, a little bit probably right.

00:48:05
Kip: That's sick, just sick, and like we're supposed to like,

00:48:09
just chalk it up Like I?

00:48:12
I don't even know, does this get or get addressed?

00:48:15
I can't remember.

00:48:16
Amanda: I don't know either.

00:48:17
Kip: But like we're just supposed to chalk it up and like

00:48:19
I Don't know when the next Charlie episode is, but I hope

00:48:22
that like, somehow it gets addressed.

00:48:26
Amanda: I just want Charlie to be punished to this point like

00:48:29
get?

00:48:29
Kip: yeah, can you imagine if they found out about this, like

00:48:31
everyone on the island, like what's I eat?

00:48:33
What Jack would do to him did put him in a cave.

00:48:35
What Jin would do?

00:48:36
Well, and Jen would kill him?

00:48:37
Yeah, jen would kill him.

00:48:40
Amanda: Do we ever figure this?

00:48:41
Did they ever come back to this ?

00:48:42
I don't know because I understand that.

00:48:46
We know that Sawyer has the guns, yeah, but what does

00:48:50
everyone think happen to son at this one, like when when Sawyer

00:48:52
comes out with yeah, yeah, yeah they're all looking at him.

00:48:55
Do they still think that?

00:48:58
Kip: Well, Kate asks him Did you have anything to do with son?

00:49:01
And he'd.

00:49:02
All he says is what kind of person you think I am?

00:49:04
He doesn't answer her.

00:49:05
So do you think that she believes him or not?

00:49:09
Amanda: I don't think Kate believes much of anything.

00:49:10
That's where it has to say no, especially at this point.

00:49:13
Theresa: Yeah, so he's not technically lying.

00:49:17
Amanda: He also doesn't.

00:49:17
He does that a lot, he's.

00:49:18
That's a bit of a con man thing to write.

00:49:21
Theresa: It's a technique.

00:49:22
Kip: I lie, yeah, yeah right, you are deceiving exactly.

00:49:27
Theresa: There's no real answer there, but and like technically

00:49:29
Well, he was involved with how it happened he what she says?

00:49:35
Kip: I think she says I could be wrong.

00:49:36
Did you have anything to do with son?

00:49:37
But he had everything to do with it technically.

00:49:41
Theresa: Well, Charlie did.

00:49:44
Kip: Yeah, but he, charlie, wouldn't have done it if Sawyer

00:49:45
didn't talk to him about.

00:49:46
Amanda: I mean, that's true, he also never says yes or no.

00:49:49
He says what kind of person exactly.

00:49:52
Kip: Because, like Charlie says, no one can find out.

00:49:54
So what I did find out and then he says, sir, how did you come

00:49:59
up with all of this?

00:50:00
Like he's asking, so so.

00:50:01
I hate it like insinuated Sawyer credit created this whole

00:50:05
plan.

00:50:06
Theresa: Yeah, I'm taking son.

00:50:07
That's fair.

00:50:07
I hated that question.

00:50:09
Kip: Why.

00:50:10
Theresa: Because why would you ask now, like who cares, what's

00:50:15
done is done?

00:50:15
You would have asked this question when he said hey, can

00:50:18
you go attack son for me?

00:50:20
Kip: Yeah, how did you come up with this?

00:50:21
Theresa: Like what are we doing this?

00:50:22
You would just go through the whole thing, them at the end

00:50:24
like maybe, though.

00:50:25
Kip: Maybe Like kind of what you were just saying about how con

00:50:29
man just doesn't quite always give full, truthful answers.

00:50:32
He probably con Charlie a little bit too into doing what

00:50:35
he needed to do.

00:50:36
We don't know what he said to Charlie.

00:50:37
Charlie probably didn't have the full picture.

00:50:40
Theresa: I mean, that almost makes it worse, though, right,

00:50:42
like you know, I'm a full picture and you're going to go

00:50:44
attack one of your fellow castaways like.

00:50:46
That doesn't make any sense either.

00:50:47
They're like it's horrible.

00:50:49
Amanda: I actually think at this point I Makes perfect sense for

00:50:53
Charlie.

00:50:53
Charlie is just off the fucking rails at this point, like no, I

00:51:04
can find out about this.

00:51:05
Kip: I didn't.

00:51:06
Amanda: I literally.

00:51:08
Kip: Hate you.

00:51:09
I did it to make a fool out of John Locke.

00:51:12
Amanda: I wanted to feel like fool and like.

00:51:14
Kip: I don't know, I don't think .

00:51:15
Maybe John Locke himself felt a bit foolish, but I don't think

00:51:19
anyone on the beach is like, oh my god, john.

00:51:23
Theresa: No, what a fool.

00:51:23
I wonder who's responsible for all this.

00:51:26
I think it's Charlie, maybe.

00:51:28
Amanda: They still probably think it's sort of Everyone's

00:51:31
just thinking it's sort of.

00:51:31
Sort of a dick exactly.

00:51:34
But no, charlie's like John's a fool.

00:51:37
Kip: Everyone's like what?

00:51:37
What are you talking about?

00:51:38
No, Sawyer's an asshole.

00:51:40
Amanda: But like and just yeah, like he is just I just imagine

00:51:43
Charlie sitting around the party like boy.

00:51:44
Kip: That John sure looked like a fool hey.

00:51:46
Theresa: And they're like what?

00:51:47
No, dummy just awkward smiles on the ground.

00:51:51
Amanda: Episode of South Park when it's my favorite episode of

00:51:56
South Park just for the record where they go skiing in Aspen.

00:51:59
Stan Comes across these like cool kids and the kids act like

00:52:07
they're in like a feud with him.

00:52:09
So they'll be like Stan Marsh the Darsh.

00:52:13
Theresa: And then he's like what ?

00:52:14
Amanda: and they're like oh, you want to take us on the hills

00:52:17
and all this stuff.

00:52:17
And he's like no, and like this is what it reminded me of

00:52:22
Charlie's, those like annoying kids in Aspen and everyone else

00:52:26
is like what Stan being like?

00:52:27
Why does he think something's going on that no one else knows

00:52:32
about?

00:52:33
Kip: Oh, that's funny doing exactly.

00:52:35
Amanda: John's ruining my life and I'm gonna make him look like

00:52:38
a fool.

00:52:39
Look at how I made him look like a fool.

00:52:40
And everyone's like Charlie, you're the dick exactly like

00:52:43
Charlie, you're the one who did everything last week.

00:52:47
Kip: Or yesterday, whenever in the in the show yesterday, like

00:52:50
you don't get to just make John look like a fool because you

00:52:55
Screwed up that's what really fucked up when you think about

00:52:58
that.

00:52:58
Theresa: It was yesterday.

00:52:59
Kip: Yeah.

00:53:00
Theresa: Yesterday this happened .

00:53:01
I'm gonna hit you, son.

00:53:03
Just to get back at John.

00:53:05
Oh yeah, like yeah, he's.

00:53:07
Amanda: That's what I mean about like at this point, like and

00:53:09
let's remember Jack.

00:53:10
Kip: And Well, he hates John, so he doesn't care what John says,

00:53:13
but even Jack's like Charlie, I need to know You'll never do

00:53:16
anything like this again.

00:53:17
And then he literally does something.

00:53:19
I like that.

00:53:20
Amanda: Arguably way worse like way like, whatever his, his, his

00:53:24
actions were not okay, but his like intention behind them, as

00:53:28
misguided and warped as they were, he didn't want to harm

00:53:31
Aaron.

00:53:32
No but this is arguably so much worse because he he did want to

00:53:38
harm Son like or at least he knew that that was a possibility

00:53:42
.

00:53:42
Theresa: It could have happened.

00:53:43
Did you see that bump on her head?

00:53:44
Oh my god, it's a sizable walnut.

00:53:46
Amanda: So like you go from these like really warped,

00:53:49
unintentional, like messed up actions with Aaron that everyone

00:53:52
hates you for, and your next step in, like you said, kips and

00:53:56
Promising Jack, that's not gonna happen again to like

00:53:59
knowingly putting someone at risk, to make John look like a

00:54:03
fool, because Because and you're right he probably didn't ask a

00:54:08
single thing about it, because he probably, at this point, was

00:54:10
like I Don't care because.

00:54:13
Kip: I'm sure, sawyer, like you were saying, it's true.

00:54:15
They find a calm and we'll find the vulnerability, find the

00:54:18
weakness.

00:54:18
He probably saw how much he was despising John Locke and was

00:54:22
able to find a way to prick that little scab and get him Going,

00:54:27
and he's like he's ostracized.

00:54:29
Amanda: He's mad at John.

00:54:30
I'm gonna tell him to go.

00:54:31
You know we're gonna do this and then we're gonna steal stuff

00:54:34
from right under John's nose and these like Charlie and

00:54:38
Sawyer.

00:54:38
Kip: Like Sawyer's pissed off because they took his stuff.

00:54:42
It wasn't even his stuff.

00:54:43
Charlie's pissed off because he got called out for being a dick

00:54:47
, like these immature little boys.

00:54:50
Terrible, yeah, so stupid.

00:54:53
Theresa: Yeah, it's ridiculous.

00:54:55
Kip: Crazy man.

00:54:56
So let's change the tone, hurley, I mean.

00:55:03
So you'd still sad, understandable.

00:55:05
Theresa: It's only been about four days if that even maybe,

00:55:08
yeah who knows I can't time is very different on this island.

00:55:11
It's very different.

00:55:12
It's not the same as the weeks we have to wait.

00:55:14
It's the but me.

00:55:15
Kip: But just hurley coming in and like he found a radio.

00:55:19
I bet you like he's probably like, oh you know who would

00:55:21
really love to play with this radio side.

00:55:24
I'm gonna go show him.

00:55:25
Theresa: I know he's probably so excited to like scamper off and

00:55:28
be like hey go check this out.

00:55:29
So he's like I'm just Let me know work on yeah, and so he's

00:55:33
just trying to cheer him up.

00:55:34
Kip: I know it's really cute, yeah, and then when they're on

00:55:37
the beach and he's reading the manuscript and I love that

00:55:40
interaction with them, yeah, like when he's in that creepy

00:55:44
music.

00:55:44
I don't think it's moon river moon light serenade.

00:55:48
Theresa: It was very off-putting to me because it was like and

00:55:52
then it well, yeah.

00:55:53
Crystal clear like music and I was like this feels romantic but

00:55:59
in a weird way.

00:56:01
Kip: I like how I mean.

00:56:03
I think that's I think I've heard that before about how

00:56:05
radio signals can bounce off the .

00:56:07
Anisphere and travel for thousands of kilometers.

00:56:11
Amanda: Because there's from anywhere, or any time.

00:56:14
Just kidding.

00:56:16
Kip: I loved that, just kidding, because it was like what?

00:56:19
Theresa: I know there was just like.

00:56:20
Didn't you not have that same face when he said that you're

00:56:26
just yeah, oh.

00:56:28
Kip: And he says just kidding, you're like oh, hurly and I love

00:56:30
when, when, like he's like static sex.

00:56:34
Good, right, static is not good , ah crap.

00:56:37
Theresa: I know he's so sweet, I love him yeah.

00:56:40
Amanda: And he's saying so consistent like yes he's

00:56:44
consistent.

00:56:44
You know, say what you want.

00:56:47
Kate's pretty consistent.

00:56:49
If I say what you want, I meant to myself Say what you want say

00:56:53
what you want, amanda, but Kate's pretty consistent, like

00:56:58
the people who are inconsistents , so yours like somewhat

00:57:00
consistent, but man Charlie.

00:57:04
Kip: He's all over the map.

00:57:06
I.

00:57:07
Amanda: This.

00:57:07
Think it's a good time to point out that this episode

00:57:09
highlights how Sawyer is a complete asshole and Charlie is

00:57:12
complete asshole.

00:57:13
Yeah and we have.

00:57:14
I have two friends who have named children after both of

00:57:18
these men.

00:57:19
Kip: Oh, my god, I hope they don't listen to this.

00:57:25
I.

00:57:27
Amanda: Mean I think it's not after this episode and more of

00:57:30
an overarching no love for the characters, but I just want to

00:57:35
say For those children one day listening these are the men

00:57:39
you're named after.

00:57:40
Wow.

00:57:40
Theresa: Amanda, but there's a lot of growth.

00:57:42
We stan a gross.

00:57:44
Kip: I mean Sawyer consistently ranked as one of everyone's

00:57:47
favorite characters.

00:57:48
Theresa: So he's Even as like someone who does a lot of bad

00:57:51
shit, it's kind of hard to like Hate him.

00:57:54
Amanda: He's exceptionally likable.

00:57:56
That's part of why he's a successful con man.

00:57:58
Yeah exactly exceptionally charismatic, exceptionally

00:58:03
charming.

00:58:04
Yeah, he's obviously nice to look at.

00:58:06
Uh-huh he knows how to play a crowd.

00:58:10
Uh-huh but he is not arguably in this episode.

00:58:13
He is like there's very, if we're looking at just

00:58:18
contextually this episode, it's hard to point to anything

00:58:21
Redeeming about this and and to be quite honest, like even in

00:58:24
Charlie's episode, like you do see some of that like his

00:58:28
brother fucked him over His family, this or whatever.

00:58:31
Yeah, I don't.

00:58:32
I don't personally buy into it, but I can see it.

00:58:34
There's really nothing here for Sawyer at this point to show us

00:58:38
.

00:58:38
Like we do know, in his past that thing happened with his dad

00:58:41
and mom awful.

00:58:45
Kip: No, all right.

00:58:46
So Sawyer is an asshole, Charlie's an asshole.

00:58:49
We love Kate well I.

00:58:52
Liked Kate a lot.

00:58:54
I know you did, I know we love Kate, all three of us just love

00:58:59
her, and I think it's time to see where these characters right

00:59:03
in Teresa's rankings.

00:59:05
Theresa: Yeah, all right.

00:59:08
So at number 16, he has not moved.

00:59:11
Michael, negative 830.

00:59:13
We have a new in person at number 15.

00:59:17
Charlie is at negative 615.

00:59:21
No one attacks on I'm a.

00:59:25
Lucy is at negative 230.

00:59:26
Kate is at negative 80.

00:59:28
Desmond is at 60, walta 240.

00:59:31
Libby comes in at number 10 at 355.

00:59:34
Jack's at number 9 with 610.

00:59:37
Claire is at number 8 with 805.

00:59:38
Sorry, is it number 7 with 820?

00:59:41
Echoes at number 6 with 1195.

00:59:44
Sait is at number 5 with 1290.

00:59:47
Jin is at number 4 with 1335.

00:59:50
Lock is at number 3 with 1555.

00:59:54
Sun is at number 2, wow, 1570, which leaves Hurley at number 1

01:00:01
with 1645.

01:00:04
Kip: Sun Fallen behind, been dethroned Wow.

01:00:09
Amanda: You know it's so funny to me about these rankings, all

01:00:12
of it, but in particular, no, the best way, teresa.

01:00:17
The best way, that's a compliment.

01:00:20
It's so much to me in that face .

01:00:23
Theresa: I don't know, teresa, you know it's funny about these

01:00:25
rankings, other than all of it.

01:00:27
Kip: I think no it's good in a great fun way.

01:00:30
Amanda: But what I like about it is that Hurley being at the top

01:00:34
for those of you who are aware of like a lot of the loss lore,

01:00:40
hurley Like consistently ranks among people.

01:00:43
I can't remember what it was, but I saw something even the

01:00:45
other, like yesterday.

01:00:46
That was like don't come for Hurley, or whatever, in terms of

01:00:48
yeah, I saw that.

01:00:49
Theresa: Yeah what was that?

01:00:50
I don't know.

01:00:51
Amanda: Something random but it was like, yeah, don't come for

01:00:53
Hurley, and it's like he always does.

01:00:55
I'm not sure Sun ranks as high in people's like General lore as

01:01:02
it does as she does specifically for Teresa.

01:01:04
So I find it funny that one of the characters that you've been

01:01:07
ranking consistently high is like very infamously well loved

01:01:11
across lost and the fandom, but then the next person you rate

01:01:15
high, I think, is not.

01:01:16
So it's just interesting to see how, like your viewpoints.

01:01:20
Theresa: It's all.

01:01:20
It's all a point system, like they call us, in some ways with

01:01:24
the popular kind of opinion and then in some ways it's

01:01:26
completely Just like this.

01:01:28
Amanda: So, all this to say, I actually do think that there's

01:01:31
some science to this that I wasn't, you know, quite

01:01:35
respectful of enough in the past .

01:01:36
Kip: So I All righty Well, trisa , why don't you start us off Me?

01:01:45
What did you think of this episode 8.1.

01:01:47
Wow, ok, nice.

01:01:50
Theresa: Um, not my favorite episode, not my least favorite.

01:01:52
I felt a little bit like we were being manipulated, like

01:01:55
very like I was like very much like what's the word I'm looking

01:02:00
for?

01:02:00
Like I was being hit in the face with, like we're

01:02:03
manipulating you, which I didn't really love.

01:02:06
I prefer a little bit more subtlety, but overall I like the

01:02:10
episode.

01:02:12
Kip: Thanks, I'll give it a 7.5.

01:02:15
I mean, probably not one of my most memorable episodes, it's

01:02:21
kind of just Easily forgotten.

01:02:24
It's obviously an episode dedicated not well, kind of

01:02:27
dedicated to Sawyer, I guess.

01:02:28
But like Sawyer is obviously in his prime as a bad guy,

01:02:35
charlie's a bad guy too and everyone just kind of gets

01:02:39
snickered, including us.

01:02:43
Amanda: I give it around 8.7, which is what I thought that you

01:02:46
know it would give it on IMDB.

01:02:48
I don't know.

01:02:51
I find that on Island stuff to be quite compelling.

01:02:53
I don't particularly.

01:02:56
I think the flashbacks are like I don't know.

01:03:00
I feel like the flashbacks were a lot stronger in season one,

01:03:03
maybe just because we're like it was the first kind of intro we

01:03:05
had to everyone, I don't know, or if they're just getting a

01:03:08
little bit lazy, but I did find them a lot.

01:03:09
I still like the idea of the flashbacks, but I don't like

01:03:13
what we're learning.

01:03:14
I don't find it as like wow, like this is so interesting.

01:03:18
I find it a little bit more like just not that helpful.

01:03:21
But I did like the on Island stuff.

01:03:23
I think what Sawyer does makes a lot of sense.

01:03:26
I don't like it.

01:03:27
I think it makes a lot of sense for his character.

01:03:30
I do think that Locke is great in this episode.

01:03:33
I do like to kind of see the Jack Locke, you know, because

01:03:37
it's a subtle.

01:03:37
You know it's very clear that they're pitted against each

01:03:40
other but it's a bit more subtle than a lot of like kind of

01:03:45
antagonist, protection, protagonist, protagonist

01:03:47
relationships would be.

01:03:48
So I kind of like seeing how Sawyer kind of sussed it out a

01:03:52
little bit in them and showed us how much of a tightrope these

01:03:57
two leaders have been really walking.

01:03:59
So I do like that piece of it and we can't really get into it.

01:04:04
But there are two kind of foreshadowy type moments in this

01:04:08
episode which were kind of fun to see.

01:04:10
So if anyone wants to reach out and talk to us about what they

01:04:15
think that might be, we're happy to talk about it.

01:04:17
But we always try to keep this spoiler free.

01:04:19
But there's definitely a couple things that we're excited to

01:04:23
see in the future and point back to.

01:04:26
Kip: Absolutely Cool.

01:04:27
That's a good.

01:04:28
I liked your commentary about the Jack Locke dynamic and

01:04:34
Sawyer kind of taking advantage of that so cool.

01:04:37
Amanda: Cool, before we sign off , are you going to give us a

01:04:42
little bit more insight?

01:04:43
Kip: into your rankings.

01:04:45
Amanda: What do you think you're going to be doing with that?

01:04:48
Kip: Okay, I'm not going to give my rankings each episode.

01:04:51
I will be doing them, but I'm not going to take the spotlight

01:04:55
away from Teresa.

01:04:55
But I will, in time, deliver.

01:04:59
Or do you want to know my who's at the top and who's at the

01:05:01
bottom only?

01:05:02
Theresa: Or do you want to know anything?

01:05:03
I want to know it all, everything.

01:05:06
Amanda: Well, when were you thinking you would share with

01:05:08
the audience, like at the end of a season?

01:05:10
Kip: I was thinking at the end of a season.

01:05:11
Amanda: Okay, I got a little surprised.

01:05:13
Why don't you just tell us your first and last for each episode

01:05:17
?

01:05:17
Kip: Okay, all right.

01:05:19
Amanda: With no context.

01:05:20
Kip: No context.

01:05:21
Last place, Charlie.

01:05:24
Theresa: Shocker.

01:05:25
Kip: First place, it's Kate.

01:05:29
Amanda: It was a great segment, kate.

01:05:30
We thank you for trying it.

01:05:32
I'm not sure there's really a place for both your rankings and

01:05:37
Teresa's rankings, so we'll take it under advisement.

01:05:42
Kip: Yeah, you let me know.

01:05:44
Amanda: We'll see if you're back next week at all.

01:05:46
No, that makes sense.

01:05:49
I like Kate in this episode too .

01:05:50
Kip: And I just started in this episode.

01:05:52
I know I got Kate up.

01:05:54
Amanda: I mean, I don't think she's number one in the episode,

01:05:56
but who is really?

01:05:59
Yeah?

01:05:59
Kip: who is Analulu.

01:06:03
Thanks for listening everybody To this week's episode of let's

01:06:06
Get Lost.

01:06:07
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01:06:34
Theresa: Bye.

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