Let's Get Lost 38 - Season 2: Maternity Leave

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Theresa: we're three best friends and we love lost and we

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love talking, but even more so we love talking about lost.

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So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get

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lost together together Alright.

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Kip: well, welcome to this week's episode of let's Get Lost

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.

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It's me Kip.

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I am here joined with Amanda.

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Amanda: Hello.

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Kip: And I'm joined with Teresa.

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Hi, we are here today to talk about another fabulous episode

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of let's Get Lost.

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If it had a theme song, what would you think the theme song

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of this episode would be?

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Amanda: Of maternity leave.

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Kip: Yeah.

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Amanda: I don't know.

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That sounds like be my, be my baby, be my little baby.

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Theresa: I want an only baby.

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Amanda: That one Cause of that last scene with Claire.

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It's so cute.

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Probably a song for mama.

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A song for mama by voiced men yeah, oh, I don't know that one

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I also went with that one because they always have weird

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songs like um, um, make your own kind of music don't quite fit,

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but kind of fit.

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Kip: Yeah, totally.

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Anyway, what do you think?

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I went at a different route.

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Mine was it's all coming back it's all coming back to me now

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that was good.

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Amanda: It was quite dramatic, yeah.

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So yeah, I get it.

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I would do the same thing so now that we know what music it

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makes us think of.

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How about we get a synopsis?

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Amanda, take it away.

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Kip: So Regante Anyway it's directed by Jack, like the wine.

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Theresa: Is that how you?

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Amanda: say that Chianti, chianti.

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Kip: I thought it was a Chianti, it's the one with the straw on

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the outside right.

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Amanda: Yeah, like the weird straw paper.

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But anyway, a Chianti or Chianti whatever.

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That's what his name kind of looks like.

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Sorry, I don't want that.

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Moving on from that that it was directed by the one and only

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jack bender, who we were doing some talking and researching

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before the episode started.

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Jack bender directed 43 episodes of lost, so you're

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gonna hear his name a few more times, even this season.

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The synopsis is as follows a desperate, claire attempts to

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return to the scene of her kidnapping, where she believes

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she might find the cure for baby Aaron's mysterious illness.

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Meanwhile, jack and lock must keep their prisoner a secret

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from the rest of the survivors.

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Kip: Yeah, it's actually not bad .

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Amanda: That's a good one.

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Kip: I, I.

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I don't know what the Disney plus one is, but this one wasn't

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so bad Actually.

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Amanda: We also recently realized, cause I think I

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thought that it was because lost like an older show and they

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weren't putting like as much effort into the synopses on

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disney plus.

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And that's why I would bring it up, because I was like it felt

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kind of like lazy and I was like you know, the old shows also

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deserve what is it claire becomes determined to find out

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what happened to her.

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Okay, that's not bad, I mean but anyway, all this to say, we

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were watching the bear, which is a very popular.

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It's a Hulu show technically, or FX sort of, but it plays on

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Disney plus here in Canada and the writeup for that is like

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just as bad, like there was one episode where it was like Marcus

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learns something like, or something like that.

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Theresa: Like searches yeah.

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Amanda: Marcus learns something or something like that.

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Kip: Like searches, marcus tries something new or something, and

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I'm like, okay, so this is just Disney+.

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Amanda: They put the most minimal synopses for any show,

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so Lost is not getting the shit end of the deal with Disney+,

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but it is still not getting the most.

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Kip: All right, I'll give you some figures on this week's

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episode.

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Okay, imdb 8.3 out of 10.

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Viewers 16DB 8.3 out of 10.

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Okay, Viewers 16.43 million.

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That's a bit of a dive.

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Theresa: Because it was 19 before or 18?

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Kip: Yeah, we went down 1.77 million.

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Almost 2 million people.

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Now, I don't know, maybe there was some big thing on another

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network that night.

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It's hard with network television, but it's a big drop.

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We got a Sawyer nickname count.

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Only one work television, but it's a big drop.

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We got a sawyer nickname count only one, any guesses, any

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remembrances?

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No, it's not freckles, but it's directed to her yeah, he's the.

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Theresa: She's the only one you tell he talks to essentially

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yeah, it's thelma, calls her thelma okay just really quickly

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before we move on to

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Amanda: the like facts.

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Kip had posted something on the internet today and people had

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commented and I mean, I don't know this is just someone's

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comment, but I do think it's kind of interesting because if

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you look at our social medias around this time, right now

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they're.

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Kip did this great kind of grid about how the ratings of the

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season changed and we're talking about kind of how you know, 16

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million is like a big drop, but it's still a lot, and I mean

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this.

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I don't know how well research is, but someone did comment

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saying tv has certainly changed, but 2023's top rated non-sports

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show was ncis, which averaged 9.9 million viewers, roughly in

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line with season five of loss.

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Kip: So yeah it's interesting because we've kind of alluded to

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that, about that before and so I again.

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Amanda: I don't know how accurate the stat is, but just

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that idea that like that ncis being the top rated, was 9.9 and

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we're saying 16 is.

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Kip: Oh, it took a big dip the top show seven million less than

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that.

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Oh, they would kill for those numbers.

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So I just I thought, well, that's interesting.

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Yeah, I mean, please go to our social media and look at these

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cool graphs, because what's not noted on them which I thought

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was interesting too is at the time, lost was the most dvr'd

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show, so those numbers don't account for dvr watches and on

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abccom in the states anyway, you could watch it online as well.

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And, like back in the day, that was very rare and they got tons

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.

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It was the most online viewed show and, I think, the most

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pirated show at the time too.

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So everybody loved it and people watched it.

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In many ways didn't always reflect in the ratings and so

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the fact that it still even reflected that highly exactly

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yeah, okay, so we're on day 58, day 59 on the island, a

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one-nighter um, and I've started keeping track of one more thing

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, oh, my god because this just makes me laugh so much about

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this show is it aaron's age?

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Theresa: no, it's not aaron's age because I think it's 10 days

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yeah, that is very young, it's.

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Kip: I'm gonna start doing a knockout count okay, the amount

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of times people get knocked unconscious because it is so

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often and these people would have such horrible head trauma

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in real life I'm like and today it's it's Claire, like a

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pregnant woman is knocked unconscious with a butt of a gun

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.

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It's just so ridiculous.

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So casual yeah, she went in the show real quick, like the show

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is always just like boom knocked out, boom knocked out.

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So I think that is so funny.

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Theresa: Yeah, always just like boom knocked out, boom knocked

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out.

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So I think that is so funny.

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Kip: Yeah, we're very about the knockout, yeah but I guess the

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island can heal them.

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So no concussions, all right, okay, you ready for some trivia?

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Ready all right, tanya raymond, raymond, raymond.

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Tanya raymond was introduced as alex for the first time and

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will be recurring character, who was her character originally

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promoted as in order to avoid any potential spoilers I didn't

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know she was promoted as anything.

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I didn't either she was promoted as just another

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survivor who is introduced in maternity leave and originally

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only credited as young girl.

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Amanda: That's fair.

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So it's not to give any spoilers, Like ahead of time,

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you mean, or that was like this episode.

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Kip: No, ahead of time like in production and like any sort of

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promos and stuff like that, like they didn't use the name Alex.

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Amanda: The name Alex until it aired.

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That's awesome.

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Kip: All right.

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So what was Tanya Raymond's previous known role before being

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cast on Lost?

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Amanda: Oh, I do remember that she was on something I've never

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seen this person before in my life and we've talked about it

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before.

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I can't remember.

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Kip: It was every or not everybody loves Tanya, Raymond.

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It was Malcolm in the Middle.

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Amanda: Okay.

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Kip: And she played Malcolm's classmate, Cynthia Sanders.

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Amanda: Oh cute.

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Kip: With a very large vocabulary and troublemaking

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friends.

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But they became friends.

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That's cute.

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I loved Malcolm in the Middle.

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Amanda: I love that show too.

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I love Brian Cranston.

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Kip: Yeah, okay.

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Where do the numbers appear in this episode?

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Theresa: We are sucking today.

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I know it's on the mural.

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Kip: In the hatch Like a new vision of them.

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Theresa: I'm gonna.

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I'm trying to think of a sound Crap.

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Amanda: If it helps, I have nothing to contribute to this?

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Theresa: I'm going to guess the bottles.

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Yeah, the vaccine bottles.

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Kip: You're right, yeah, that's where they are.

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Theresa: I couldn't think of a sound Walt.

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Kip: That's good for you, good for you walt, that's good for

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you, good for you all.

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Right, thanks, one zero, okay, one more question and then a

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bonus question what dostoyevsky novel does lock?

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Amanda: give henry to read uh, the brothers karaskovsky, or

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whatever, uh karamazov the brothers karamazov.

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You know what I meant yeah, no, you got it.

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Kip: Bonus question will am Amanda read it or will she ever

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read any of the books?

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Amanda: First of all, I also noticed that Sawyer's reading

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Lancelot, lancelot.

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Kip: Oh cool, Did you buy that book?

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Amanda: No, I'm still working on Watership.

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Kip: Down.

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She's still working on the very first one.

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All right, so we're done with trivia, let's move on to

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amanda's high level thought of the episode I thought about it

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today.

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Amanda: Here's my high level thought of today's episode.

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There's two.

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One is a bonus one because I've talked about this a lot, but it

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was reminding me of this too.

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I have no idea when things happen in this show in a rewatch

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, did I?

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Like?

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When I was watching this and there was that flash of alex's

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face in her like flashback, I was like what the fuck?

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Like I was like, is that alex?

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Like I did not expect alex to be this.

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So anyway, that's my high level , but it kind of doesn't count

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because I've said that before.

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It's just another episode that reminds me that I'm like I have

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no idea what's happening.

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My real high level one for this is oh my god, claire is

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immature and I thought she wasn't.

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When I first watched it I was like wow, she's so cool, she's

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so well put together for like a young mother.

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But I think because I was like 22, yeah, and now I'm not, I'm

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like claire is out of control, calm down and has like no, like

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I was very concerned about it's very cute to see her with erin,

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but like she really is kind of like has no idea what she's

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doing.

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Kip: Yeah, okay.

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Well, we'll be talking a lot about that, because obviously

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this is a Claire centric episode .

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Amanda: All right, it's time for bring on.

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Kip: Teresa stream of consciousness.

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Theresa: Also, even though I don't say also anymore what,

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since when?

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I don't know.

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I just I realized I don't say also that frequently.

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Maternity leave.

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Does John know everyone's schedule in the hatch?

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You think I'm surprised.

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No one, no one's like.

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Shush that baby.

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We're trying to sleep.

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How long does it take to get to the hatch?

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Why isn't Jack sleeping in the bed?

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Okay, that's why Gotta guard Henry, I guess.

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Sad that they don't have baby clothes for the kiddo?

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Hey, no one can sew.

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Russo is terrifying when it comes to babies.

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Wait, what doesn't she remember ?

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Oh, that's quite the series of flashbacks.

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Hi, kate to the rescue.

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She's such a bro.

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I hope Jack means no one's gotten any weird infection.

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I assume some folks have gotten sick from random eating things,

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eating too many fruit, bug bites , something, right, maybe.

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Libby is probably one of my fave others so far.

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She's so nice.

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I know I say this a lot of the time, but Claire has great eyes

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and that baby is huge.

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My god, what is Henry eating?

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Rice and a pork chop Again.

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Does everyone get a turn in hatch luxury?

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Okay, the shift switch.

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That makes sense.

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But Locke is right, folks are going to be pissed that they

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don't get, you know, hatch luxury.

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Libby's voice is very calming.

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Are we hypnotizing Claire?

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Why is Claire wearing mascara?

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I know that voice, I knew it.

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Ethan.

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Okay, that's a giant needle, a little pinch.

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What a lie.

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I think what bothers me about this whole thing is that we're

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so quick to believe that what Ethan did was right, considering

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he kidnapped them and hung Charlie.

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Like we're also basing this sickness on what Russo said.

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Oy, calm down Claire.

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Also, holy crap, echo dem arms.

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John can be so calm under pressure.

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Why did we give Sawyer broken glasses last time and now he's

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got perfectly fine ones?

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And, oh my god, kate's arms again.

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I'm so jealous.

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Well, sun looks triggered by her asking if she's a mother.

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Awkward, I'm sorry.

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Does Claire think that Ethan is a doctor or that Ethan is the

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Ethan from plane?

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Or is she so drugged that she like doesn't care?

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I mean, if she's clearly drugged, af, so maybe it's just

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not registered to her.

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What's the logic behind this?

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Maybe we should question why the baby has a rube in this

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place.

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So Ethan talks to her like Ethan then Confusing.

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I would hate that mobile, mobile, spinny thing.

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Um, talk about reminder of a plane crash.

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I'm surprised this isn't triggering her.

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Why does this voice sound so familiar?

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Um, we should really trust our resident Dr Claire.

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Let's not just go running off.

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Um, what was Claire's plan without Kate, considering,

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claire can't track anything.

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What is that look on Russo's face?

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For when Claire was yelling, I mean, if the island wasn't so

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scary half the time, it would be really beautiful.

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It's very green.

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Russo did what she said she was going to do Claire, not her

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fault if you're not remembering anything.

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Something is so off here.

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You know, kate, stop yelling after her, just track her.

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She's not going to come back to you.

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Wait what Claire knows how to crochet.

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Sneak out of here.

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Like, ethan seems relatively nice, which is confusing to my

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brain because I don't know.

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She's drugged as fuck, I like.

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I think it's polite of him to ask to touch her stomach,

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considering he already touches and pokes her there.

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Seriously, who does Claire think Ethan is?

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Also, can she be sure she's drugged as if?

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Nah, my thanks.

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No, another hatch and we are just gonna open it willy-nilly.

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Oh my god, let's think this through.

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Oh, okay, in we go.

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We don't know what's down there .

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We have a gun and russo, so I guess that's something, kate,

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don't turn the power on, though what if there's someone there?

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Then they'll know.

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Intruder alert you guys.

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Okay, but maybe there's no lights on.

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Since there's no lights on, maybe no one's home.

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Is that what we're assuming, kate?

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Let's go back to the group.

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Doll, there's safety in numbers .

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Oh, hell to the fucking.

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No, I knew it.

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Jacuzzi, who is this?

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Now the teen we know?

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Now, again, we don't know that what he's using is medicine.

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You know, if the vaccine's in there, it's probably broken now

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or empty.

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Oh my God, talk about a scratch .

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Look at those scars on Russo's arms.

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Aw, she actually is a nice lady but also so strong to be living

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like this for 16 years.

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She's so sad she's got such a tragic story.

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I love Mr Echo.

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Henry looks afraid Echo has to be one of the most complex

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characters on this show.

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His apology in this whole scene is just so riveting to me.

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And lucky, lucky Erin is okay, just like Jack said, had she

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just been a little patient?

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But you know what?

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I don't have any kids, so I don't know how scary it is for

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my kid to have a mystery illness .

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I probably would believe the doctor instead of some woman who

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tried to steal my baby.

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Oh, and now Henry gets a fruit bowl, so I guess it wasn't a

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pork chop before.

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Oh, henry, and the manipulative statements.

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Eh, you literally sound like a manipulator person.

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Tis on you, locke.

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You're better than to believe his lies.

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Ah, but we believed his lies.

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Kip: Yeah, Locke can't help himself.

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Theresa: No, that was disappointing, and it's one of

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those moments where you realize that like he's so strong in so

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many ways, but he's still so like, weak and fragile in so

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many ways he's still so like weak and fragile in so many ways

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.

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Amanda: Yes, fragile I was a little sad.

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I mean we'll get there, but I was a little bit disappointed at

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how easy it was for henry to get under lock skin can we start

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with jack and lock in this episode?

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Yeah, because I have to.

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I have to, I have to break the fourth wall here on this podcast

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and say the whiteboard that we utilize so well for all of our

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thoughts kip usually gives us kind of like talking points, but

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instead today he's just giving us fucking gems.

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We could just read directly into and we don't even need to

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actually have conversations and it starts well, it starts with

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something else, whatever.

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But when the next thing is jack and lock, cute married couple

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with issues vibe totally right, especially when, like they're at

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the kitchen, like thinking the next thing you want to be is

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like honey.

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I know when are you?

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Kip: gonna be home from work tonight once in locks, even

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washing dishes stop asking me that lock I wrote down so many

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things like even when jack's locks like henry and jack's,

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he's asleep like it's like their kid or something.

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Amanda: Yeah you literally it's like they're walking on

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eggshells and it's gonna be like jack's me, like I've told you

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10 times lock not to wash the dishes that way they bring henry

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food together, like it's just so weird yeah and they bicker.

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Kip: Oh, it's so funny.

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Amanda: They're very jack is very like disrespectful to lock,

00:17:31
though I find yeah, it's because he doesn't like him.

00:17:34
He really doesn't really have jack is not good at like

00:17:37
chilling with people he does not like.

00:17:39
No I don't know if jack has many friends yeah, probably not

00:17:43
I don't think he's much of a friend person no, he had that

00:17:46
guy that was his like best man or whatever, at his wedding yeah

00:17:49
, but that's about it like everyone can find a best man,

00:17:53
yeah like everybody like someone's willing to step up for

00:17:56
that.

00:17:57
Kip: But I will say he finally had some good bedside manner, I

00:18:01
felt anyway, I thought he was really good with claire that

00:18:04
leads to another fucking gem from the board guys.

00:18:08
Amanda: I'm just going to wait till you say something that just

00:18:10
triggers one of these, which is this one Friendly Dr Jack is

00:18:14
sexy Jack.

00:18:15
Kip: Oh, he was just on fire today.

00:18:17
I was just so attracted to Jack today in this episode.

00:18:20
Agreed Just like when he was in doctor mode, not when he was in

00:18:23
the hatch, but when was on the beach talking to claire as a

00:18:26
really good doctor yeah, it's like oh, I know he's good with

00:18:29
babies yeah, which is funny because he's a, not a

00:18:33
pediatrician no, but he is good with like in reassuring her yeah

00:18:36
I agree.

00:18:37
Amanda: I agree with that statement on the board.

00:18:39
Kip: Friendly dr jack, he is sexy jack same yeah, I thought

00:18:43
they were kind of funny um together in this episode.

00:18:46
It's just like how how much longer is it going to draw out?

00:18:49
Well, I mean, we know it comes to many different types of uh

00:18:55
situations, but this like weird dynamic between the two of them

00:18:59
as like parents in this- in this weird how playing house

00:19:03
situation.

00:19:05
Amanda: I agree.

00:19:05
Well, I mean, and it's kind of interesting because that's like

00:19:12
having it start out that way and then have it end with Henry,

00:19:15
like trying to get under, is like a very classic, like let's

00:19:18
split the couple up and like Like a teenager.

00:19:20
Kip: Yeah, Trying to break like get on one parent's side.

00:19:24
Amanda: I don't know why you let dad make all the choices,

00:19:26
doesn't even here, right now.

00:19:27
Yeah.

00:19:29
Kip: Like it's good, like that's so funny.

00:19:32
Yeah, oh boy, okay.

00:19:35
So where do we want to go from here?

00:19:38
Amanda: Like I guess.

00:19:39
I mean it is interesting because this is kind of the

00:19:42
first flash, Not the first, but like one of the it's only the

00:19:47
second time they did flashbacks, but that they were on island.

00:19:50
Yeah, so like because at one point is like oh, there's no

00:19:53
flashbacks this episode.

00:19:54
I'm like there are, it's just not the way that we normally see

00:19:57
them.

00:19:57
Um, so they still do have that flashback.

00:20:00
They were still getting something in the present versus

00:20:02
something that's supposed to kind of, you know, affect our

00:20:06
view of what's going on.

00:20:06
But it's.

00:20:07
It's a lot more obviously direct.

00:20:09
Kip: Yeah.

00:20:10
Amanda: I really don't know, like Claire being so adamant

00:20:16
that she has to remember because Aaron's sick, I find like a

00:20:20
little bit weird, I guess.

00:20:21
I guess, as I'm talking it out, I get it Like it's triggering

00:20:26
the part that they were obviously like vaccine sick,

00:20:28
vaccine sick.

00:20:28
So then when she sees that he's sick it's like maybe bringing

00:20:31
it back.

00:20:31
But it just seemed very sudden and very dramatic.

00:20:34
Kip: Yeah.

00:20:35
Amanda: Yeah.

00:20:36
Kip: Yeah, it was a little much.

00:20:38
I thought like just Claire went off the deep end so quick and I

00:20:44
felt like so they go.

00:20:46
She goes to Libby.

00:20:47
She's kind of rude to her also like off the hop like you're a

00:20:50
shrink right, yeah, like you could be a bit nicer if you want

00:20:54
this person's help.

00:20:55
But anyway, and libby agrees to help and so does this thing

00:20:59
where she gets her memories back , which I'm not sure exactly if

00:21:01
that's how it works, but I don't know.

00:21:03
Never had it before.

00:21:05
I thought like why wouldn't?

00:21:07
Why didn't Libby go on the quest with them or the mission?

00:21:09
Amanda: I feel like that would have been safer, like I feel

00:21:11
like a psychologist.

00:21:13
Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like a psychologist would have

00:21:15
been like, well, this isn't a good idea.

00:21:17
Kip: but also, if I'm here and I'm not doing anything, yeah,

00:21:21
kate, I'll be there to like help Claire kind of cope with these

00:21:25
like traumatizing memories that are coming back Like it was

00:21:28
weird that she didn't go.

00:21:29
But I don't know if that's a production choice, I guess, but

00:21:34
in the theme of the show I thought she should have been

00:21:36
there.

00:21:37
Theresa: Yeah.

00:21:39
Amanda: I mean.

00:21:39
The other thing, though, too, is that she's not as invested in

00:21:41
these people, right?

00:21:42
Like when you think about how many days it's been the way

00:21:44
right, like that's true.

00:21:44
When you think about how many days.

00:21:45
Kip: It's been what they've known them like four days, yeah

00:21:46
that's a good point, or 10 days, I guess yeah, exactly like.

00:21:49
Amanda: Definitely not one of the original survivors, so maybe

00:21:51
that's part of it too, is she's just kind of like don't break,

00:21:53
drag me in to your bullshit, and it seems like she was having a

00:21:56
really good time with her little cuties they're having a good

00:22:00
time together when he's like hi guys, like he's just so friendly

00:22:02
and lovable um, what I didn't like about the this style of

00:22:08
flashback.

00:22:09
Kip: I hated those sounds during these, like weird flashbacks,

00:22:12
Like those like it was almost like an alarm.

00:22:14
It wasn't the, it wasn't the original flashback sound.

00:22:16
It was like this weird horn or alarm sound.

00:22:20
Amanda: It was really like.

00:22:21
Cartoonish yeah.

00:22:24
Kip: And it was just almost like I don't know.

00:22:25
I've read online like some people view this as like a

00:22:29
almost like a horror-esque type episode, like yeah I guess maybe

00:22:33
, if that's the theme they were trying to go for, it makes sense

00:22:35
, but it just I found it like, really like glaring and just

00:22:38
sort of like annoying I just too like I I'm still not 100 clear

00:22:44
on what we're supposed to feel about Ethan.

00:22:47
Theresa: That's.

00:22:47
I was completely confused the whole time when it came to him,

00:22:51
Because like he was so nice, he cares about her, but like he

00:22:55
also kidnapped her, yeah, he was also stabbing something into

00:22:59
her stomach.

00:23:00
Amanda: And they're like clearly drugging her, oh yeah.

00:23:02
Theresa: So messed up.

00:23:12
Amanda: And then you know, we see alex say that he they're

00:23:13
gonna kill her and all this stuff and it's like but then,

00:23:16
yes, like he, like.

00:23:16
I guess the idea, like that's the thing is like is he a bad

00:23:17
guy?

00:23:17
He is right, like we, we, we think we know ethan like not to

00:23:19
give too much away, but like the goodwin ethan thing is like it

00:23:22
turns out, goodwin is like an actually genuinely okay person,

00:23:26
right.

00:23:27
Kip: Like in future seasons.

00:23:27
Amanda: Yeah, and then we see, and Ethan is not right, or is he

00:23:31
also?

00:23:32
Kip: I think he's okay, I think he's okay, yeah, I don't think

00:23:34
he's ever shown as like a bad person.

00:23:37
Amanda: Well, he's so creepy.

00:23:39
Kip: I think that's just like in later seasons.

00:23:42
Amanda: Like and yeah like and I like and yeah like and I get it

00:23:43
like they're trying to like keep her calm and subdued for

00:23:45
the baby's sake.

00:23:46
But I also do feel like sometimes it goes a bit farther

00:23:50
with him, like he is trying to actually be like nice to her.

00:23:53
Kip: I think he's like trying to , because and they're, I think

00:23:56
they're only keeping her drugs to keep her there yeah, like

00:23:58
against her will yeah which is like so not good.

00:24:02
So no, he's not a good person and what they're doing isn't

00:24:05
good.

00:24:05
Because even when she has that water and she's like, oh, it

00:24:09
tastes so sour and she's like I don't know anything about that,

00:24:12
but I'm not going to drink it.

00:24:12
Clearly even that's laced with something.

00:24:15
It's so messed up what they're doing to her.

00:24:19
Amanda: It's so messed up, she's stumbling around, but then

00:24:25
she's able to knit a boot.

00:24:26
I have to be really honest with you guys.

00:24:30
I found this whole thing very confusing.

00:24:32
It's like I can't walk, I'm falling into you.

00:24:35
It's like look at this boot I knit here in this place.

00:24:39
Kip: I don't understand where I am.

00:24:40
Maybe the drugs only affect her legs?

00:24:43
Amanda: And not her arms.

00:24:44
Kip: She has knitting abilities still.

00:24:50
Amanda: Yeah, her legs and not her arms.

00:24:50
Okay, she has knitting abilities still.

00:24:51
Yeah, I mean it is sad because, like you know, it's very clear

00:24:53
that she's so scared to have the baby and be a bad mom and not

00:24:56
be able to take care of the baby , and that's like the thought

00:25:00
process she we know she goes into this whole thing with

00:25:02
wanting to give him him up for adoption etc and like not only

00:25:05
are they drugging her, but they're also like preying on

00:25:08
that right, taking advantage of that and just being like she'll

00:25:11
be, he'll be safe here and we'll do this and it's.

00:25:14
It's just so sad to watch like her insecurities be used against

00:25:18
her and then obviously like to see her being physically

00:25:20
affected as well.

00:25:21
It's just like poor claire.

00:25:25
Kip: Yeah, it was like I felt really bad for flashback, claire

00:25:28
, but then present day, claire just graded me with, like you

00:25:34
said, amanda, very, seemingly, very immature.

00:25:37
Amanda: Yes, one might say yelling Claire was really

00:25:40
annoying, though.

00:25:41
Yeah, that's another whiteboard message.

00:25:45
Kip: She was so annoying.

00:25:46
Theresa: She was so annoying.

00:25:47
She was so annoying and that's another thing.

00:25:48
Kip: I'm like thinking okay, as a director, how are you filming

00:25:52
this and thinking this is going to play really well?

00:25:54
Like, direct your actress to maybe tone that down or use a

00:25:59
different way.

00:25:59
She's not always yelling to get those points across.

00:26:02
Theresa: She could be talking very angrily, or something Like

00:26:05
the inflection could be different or the body language

00:26:09
or the way that she's looking at people, but it was a lot of it

00:26:12
was a lot of yelling.

00:26:13
Yeah, a lot of the same kind of yelling facial expression.

00:26:17
There wasn't like a lot of range to it, it just kind of.

00:26:21
It was just like manic.

00:26:22
Kip: Manic.

00:26:24
Amanda: Wow, I've never watched someone have their hero die in

00:26:28
front of them in real time like this.

00:26:30
Kip: Well, I was very disappointed in Mr Bender.

00:26:35
Amanda: I've never seen it happen so quickly.

00:26:36
Mr Bender, you're really.

00:26:36
Kip: Yeah, I'm sorry, but hey, I'm a human being.

00:26:39
I will judge you based on the evidence in front of me.

00:26:42
Amanda: And that's how you know that Kip's opinions are his real

00:26:45
, true thoughts, because he is not sugarcoating it for jack

00:26:48
bender's benefit because I know he's gonna listen to this he is

00:26:51
just saying what he feels, which is tone this shit down jack.

00:26:55
Yeah, you should have done that differently, I agree I felt that

00:26:58
I, like I said, looking back on it, I remember thinking that I

00:27:02
really liked claire and I still do, like she's adorable, but

00:27:04
like I remember, like I dressed up as her for halloween, I

00:27:07
thought she was really cool.

00:27:08
And now again I think, like my older, more mature selves, like

00:27:12
this is not the way, claire, you're more you're more, you see

00:27:16
more of yourself and maybe like a danielle yeah and less of a

00:27:20
claire.

00:27:21
Very much, danielle, particularly how she does not

00:27:24
answer them when she talks and she's like you guys are all dumb

00:27:26
.

00:27:26
I will shoot you with arrows.

00:27:28
I will bring you back your lost children.

00:27:30
I will stare at you with my messy hair, but I will not

00:27:33
engage with your ridiculousness.

00:27:37
Kip: But oh, when she walked up when Aaron was crying, that was

00:27:39
creepy.

00:27:40
I was like okay, danielle, like where did she come from?

00:27:43
Amanda: Why is she there?

00:27:44
Kip: You need to like announce yourself.

00:27:47
Maybe a little bit.

00:27:47
Theresa: Approach in a gentle way.

00:27:49
Kip: Yeah, not in a, not a silent creepy stare.

00:27:51
Yeah, like it's like seemingly aggressive.

00:27:52
Perhaps we wear a bell.

00:27:54
Amanda: Like a cat Just around her neck, ding, ding, ding.

00:27:57
Theresa: No.

00:27:57
Amanda: But why was she there in the beginning?

00:28:01
Kip: Well, okay, so last week she helped them capture Henry.

00:28:04
So I wonder if she's just hanging around.

00:28:07
Amanda: And then she's heard a crying baby.

00:28:08
She heard Aaron cry.

00:28:09
That's what I mean.

00:28:12
She's just like hi, when have you been?

00:28:14
Theresa: She's just strolling by the beach and she's like Aaron

00:28:16
a baby.

00:28:17
Kip: A baby is crying.

00:28:18
I must go to it.

00:28:19
Amanda: Alex, get out of our camp.

00:28:21
But I'm like, yeah, kate, you, you get you get out of here.

00:28:24
Theresa: You gone get shoot.

00:28:26
Kip: That was pretty funny.

00:28:27
Amanda: It was very aggressive.

00:28:29
Theresa: No, but she's.

00:28:30
She's a good friend, considering Claire has no

00:28:32
friends.

00:28:33
Kip: No, she is yeah, other than Charlie and Charlie.

00:28:36
Amanda: Where was Charlie?

00:28:37
I actually liked that because the whole episode I was like oh.

00:28:39
Theresa: Charlie's going to come .

00:28:41
Amanda: I heard he's got a fever .

00:28:43
Kip: I wrote that in my other notes.

00:28:51
Theresa: Just being like.

00:28:51
I'm shocked charlie didn't come in like try to swoop in and

00:28:52
save the day.

00:28:52
I'm so glad he didn't.

00:28:53
Kip: I'm glad he didn't, but it also doesn't seem likely that he

00:28:54
wouldn't do it.

00:28:54
No, I agree.

00:28:55
So which leads me to another point is like this was a very

00:28:56
like female set, like centric episode.

00:28:58
They're like jack and lock were the only real other two men.

00:29:02
Well, echo had a scene but, and they were like, all the men were

00:29:05
contained to like their storyline and all the women were

00:29:08
kind of contained to their own storyline as well, yeah, exactly

00:29:12
so I I see what you're saying and I do think that's an

00:29:14
interesting point it's very rare to see kate especially involved

00:29:19
in a storyline that's not either about jack or sawyer, so

00:29:21
that was nice and where she's, she's just following whatever

00:29:24
they're doing yeah, yeah.

00:29:26
Theresa: Like she's like an integral part of the team for

00:29:28
once.

00:29:29
Amanda: But I do find it like, as you said it like kind of

00:29:32
annoying.

00:29:33
It's like Charlie is up in her business all the time and then

00:29:36
something's like actually going wrong.

00:29:38
Kip: And he's like.

00:29:39
Amanda: Vinay won't do anything, but I mean.

00:29:42
Theresa: I think that was a choice.

00:29:43
He's like as a production team as well, I agree.

00:29:45
So in my mind I made up this kind of like.

00:29:47
She told me to stay away, so I'm going to stay away.

00:29:50
And he's like emo Charlie, just like hood up just kind of

00:29:55
following but like not doing anything, because now he's

00:29:56
respecting her boundaries.

00:29:57
That's the narrative I wrote.

00:30:00
Amanda: He doesn't know about it , because I don't think he would

00:30:02
respect her.

00:30:03
Kip: I don't think he would either.

00:30:04
I he would respect her, I think he's?

00:30:12
Amanda: I don't think he would.

00:30:12
Kip: Either, I think he's just emo charlie elsewhere down the

00:30:14
beach just like having a moment, or he's with saeed.

00:30:15
Theresa: Yeah, because we didn't see saeed today either, no,

00:30:16
these two days.

00:30:17
So um a lot to unpack about charlie, even though he wasn't

00:30:19
even the end.

00:30:19
Amanda: So yeah, like her stuff is.

00:30:21
And then what I really liked about like the storyline with

00:30:25
Claire is that like she does kind of come to a lot of it on

00:30:30
her own.

00:30:30
Kip: Yeah.

00:30:31
Amanda: Like even like when she realizes that Danielle wasn't

00:30:36
trying to take her back, she was trying to help her.

00:30:37
Like she, danielle doesn't like force that on her.

00:30:40
Kip: She just kind of lets her feel what she's feeling and rage

00:30:43
against her a bunch, and then lets her come to like that

00:30:47
natural, like that was very maternal of danielle, she just

00:30:51
sort of like she needs to get it out yeah, let her get it out,

00:30:55
let her come to it on her own and she will and she did.

00:30:57
And yeah, claire was.

00:30:59
It was a roller coaster for me, for claire, this episode,

00:31:01
because there was so many highs and lows, but then you know,

00:31:04
when she did get it, it was very impactful, I felt very

00:31:07
meaningful and and um what's the clear actress name again emily

00:31:12
deravin emily deravin, like when she wasn't yelling.

00:31:16
Amanda: I thought she was really good in this episode, like when

00:31:18
she was doing some of the other more softer scenes yeah, I, I

00:31:23
did kind of say at one point that I thought that she was not

00:31:26
a very good actress in this, but I think you're right, like when

00:31:27
I'm thinking of say at one point that I thought that she

00:31:27
was not a very good actress in this.

00:31:27
But I think you're right, like when I'm thinking of why I said

00:31:30
that it was a lot of those like very overly and like even, like

00:31:34
you said, when she runs up to libya and she's like are you a

00:31:35
shrink?

00:31:36
Like yeah, it's just like that, that aggressiveness, like I

00:31:38
understand you're scared that your baby, but it was like I I

00:31:41
agree, like on the direction and acting choices of emily de

00:31:44
raven and jack bender.

00:31:45
I don't think there could have been more of a nuance to this

00:31:47
episode yeah like I, I sometimes think that lost.

00:31:51
That is kind of like one of the criticism of it.

00:31:53
Like I have is like it almost feels sometimes like musical

00:31:56
theater where, like it's like if they express an emotion they

00:32:01
have to like go big like turn it to 11 like there's not a lot

00:32:05
for a show that is so well written and so well developed

00:32:08
and has a lot of really good actors who are going to go on to

00:32:11
win emmys, etc.

00:32:12
There is not a subtlety yet.

00:32:14
Like they have times, but it's like when people are angry,

00:32:17
they're really angry.

00:32:18
People are upset, they're really upset, yeah right, when

00:32:22
they're like having a fun golf game, they're like really having

00:32:25
a fun golf game.

00:32:25
It's like they're they really hit your head, hit you over the

00:32:28
head with the emotions.

00:32:30
Kip: So, and I feel kind of that's what happened with claire

00:32:32
today and, and I agree and I think maybe a beacon in this

00:32:36
episode was danielle russo um, I think mia furlan furlan is the

00:32:42
actress.

00:32:44
She was very good at those sort of more subtle moments.

00:32:48
I felt like when um kate's kind of telling her off and they're

00:32:53
in the jungle, and or when she pulls the gun on her and she

00:32:56
just sort of like walks up to the guy and he says, does this

00:32:59
montage or not?

00:33:00
Montage this like monologue of pull the trigger kind of thing.

00:33:04
I was like oh, that was chilling , it was so and it was just sad

00:33:08
exactly sad, like you said in your your stream, like she's got

00:33:11
a very tragic story and you could just see a lot of pain

00:33:15
going through this I was like, wow she.

00:33:17
She was one of the highlights of the episode, for sure yeah, I

00:33:20
agree I liked her a lot too.

00:33:23
Amanda: Um, like I said, because we're just kind of going

00:33:24
through the flashbacks now, I did not expect to see I I did

00:33:28
not realize we saw alex so soon, right, um, love that, love that

00:33:32
for us, love that she was trying to help claire yeah, so

00:33:36
it's almost like so we're led to believe, or I guess we're.

00:33:40
Kip: We are told, with not as many words, that that's

00:33:44
danielle's daughter, alex right?

00:33:46
Well, I don't think they say her name, though, do they?

00:33:48
Yeah?

00:33:48
Amanda: yeah, danielle does, danielle does, yeah, but they

00:33:50
don't, they don't actually talk no, they don't like the hatch or

00:33:55
wherever they are yeah and claire never say like she never

00:33:57
says declare no, no no, exactly yeah but we, we understand now

00:34:01
that that's alex and that's danielle's daughter.

00:34:04
Kip: It's interesting to see that she's sort of like

00:34:05
rebelling against the people.

00:34:07
So as far as Alex knows, as far as we know, she is one of them,

00:34:12
but then yet we're seeing this side of her where she doesn't

00:34:15
really agree with all the things that they're doing.

00:34:17
Theresa: But she's good.

00:34:18
That's what Claire says.

00:34:19
Also, can we talk about the casting for a second?

00:34:22
Okay, that is Rousseau.

00:34:25
They did a good cast.

00:34:30
Amanda: The minute you saw her, there was no doubt in your mind

00:34:33
yeah, that's why I don't feel bad like being like, like you

00:34:35
said, they left a very strong impression, that that's who that

00:34:37
is, but I have also no problem being like this is clearly her

00:34:40
daughter.

00:34:41
Exactly they look the same yeah, they did a good job.

00:34:43
They're actually pretty good at the casting.

00:34:45
I think christian shepherd looks like he could be like the

00:34:48
guy who plays christian shepherd .

00:34:49
I never know what his name is in real life, but but I feel

00:34:51
like he could be Matthew Fox's dad.

00:34:55
Kip: They do a good job with those family connections.

00:34:57
Amanda: Not with Kate and her mom but those thoughts that I

00:35:01
think are good.

00:35:02
Kip: She must have taken after her dad who she killed.

00:35:05
Theresa: Yes, yowza.

00:35:06
Wow, it's a dark show sometimes .

00:35:11
Amanda: Yeah, exactly, oh man yeah and that scene with yeah, I

00:35:14
man, yeah.

00:35:15
And that scene with, yeah, I agree.

00:35:16
Like that scene with russo, like I teared up, like claire at

00:35:19
the end of the day, like is fundamentally like a very good

00:35:22
person, like, yes, she took that time to kind of say, even

00:35:25
though she, yeah, didn't find what she was looking for, didn't

00:35:27
like to take that time to like tell russo that, yeah, it was

00:35:32
really beautiful.

00:35:32
What?

00:35:33
Kip: did you guys think of the hatch itself Like so?

00:35:35
We saw the hatch in the flashbacks with like full of

00:35:38
people and like the baby room was full.

00:35:41
Then we see it in present day when it's seemingly abandoned

00:35:44
for some reason.

00:35:45
Amanda: Which is only again like what a month prior.

00:35:47
Kip: No, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

00:35:50
Theresa: And she was still pregnant.

00:35:51
So like what the?

00:35:51
Kip: hell happened.

00:35:52
It's weird.

00:35:52
And kate finds the glue and the beards and the fake costume, or

00:35:55
the fake beards and the costumes.

00:35:57
Amanda: Yeah, and like the yeah, that was weird that was.

00:36:00
Kip: The whole thing is weird.

00:36:01
Amanda: Like I remember when it said like for theatrical use or

00:36:04
whatever I think one of the bottles, and I was like what is

00:36:07
any of what's going on down here real?

00:36:09
Theresa: I know well, that's the and especially because on the

00:36:12
bottle it has like the medical symbol on it and I'm like

00:36:16
theatrical use and medical don't go together that well.

00:36:21
Amanda: That's like what were they doing?

00:36:22
Theresa: Yeah, but, um, I mean, you can kind of put together the

00:36:26
obviously like something's not real, yeah, and the guy's voice

00:36:31
is very distinct.

00:36:33
Amanda: Well, it's, you know, that's who that is.

00:36:35
Kip: Yeah, you do know right.

00:36:37
Theresa: Well, yeah, cause, like when you, his voice is just

00:36:40
very distinct to me, but they also show him.

00:36:42
Kip: They show his face.

00:36:43
Theresa: Yeah, but not with like all the the fake beard.

00:36:45
Amanda: Oh yeah.

00:36:46
Kip: So yeah, I mean, I think that's intentional, because we

00:36:48
see him without the beard on.

00:36:49
But yeah, and you hear his voice and then Kate finds the

00:36:52
beard and you're like, holy shit , so it's a fake beard.

00:36:54
Yeah, mr, I don't think we know his name yet.

00:36:56
Theresa: No, but yeah, mr Gruff voice, mr Gruff voice, I'm a

00:37:01
favorite.

00:37:02
The thing is, I'm a favorite, I take the bar, that's not good,

00:37:09
and that's when I know you, sir.

00:37:10
I know that voice.

00:37:11
Yeah, it haunts me still.

00:37:13
Kip: Oh yeah, that was a very unsettling scene, but that empty

00:37:17
baby room was also very unsettling and like the weird

00:37:20
marks on the wall of where those stickers were and stuff.

00:37:23
Theresa: Yeah, that was weird, and the one booty.

00:37:25
Kip: The one booty yeah.

00:37:26
Theresa: That she crocheted.

00:37:29
Kip: You're so obsessed with it.

00:37:30
Amanda: She was weird.

00:37:31
And then she's like I'm going to save it.

00:37:33
Mommy made you this and he's like shoving it in his mouth and

00:37:38
it was on the floor.

00:37:38
I thought that was cute.

00:37:40
It is cute, that's what I mean, though she's very.

00:37:43
Kip: I love that scene with her and Aaron.

00:37:46
Theresa: It was really sweet.

00:37:47
Kip: You didn't like it.

00:37:47
Theresa: I didn't why I I don't know.

00:37:49
There was something about it that made me uncomfortable.

00:37:51
Amanda: Is it that his head is the size of three of her heads?

00:37:53
I find that unsettling as well.

00:37:57
That's a big baby, it's a big baby.

00:38:00
He's real cute, though he's so cute but that's a big baby, for

00:38:04
maybe three weeks.

00:38:06
Kip: So what didn't you like about it?

00:38:07
I?

00:38:07
Theresa: don't know.

00:38:08
There was something about the way she was like now I know

00:38:11
we're supposed to protect each other, take care of each other,

00:38:14
take care of each other, like.

00:38:15
She just kind of seemed like immature yeah, I agree, immature

00:38:19
and like kind of like you know, when you're like kind of

00:38:23
obsessed with a thought and when you speak you don't sound like

00:38:26
a person, you kind of sound like you're in like a trance, what

00:38:32
you know, like I'm trying to think of a good example, but she

00:38:37
just kind of sounded like so was it her delivery I think it

00:38:41
was the delivery, and I don't know if that's an acting issue

00:38:44
or if it's, if it's a writing, a writing issue, but the way that

00:38:48
it sounded to me was like now I get it, we're supposed to.

00:38:52
What is it?

00:38:53
Kip: take care of each other I did this for you.

00:38:56
Theresa: Like it just kind of sounded like a different kind of

00:38:59
manic, like the creepy kind of like.

00:39:01
This is what it is now.

00:39:03
This is how it's going to be.

00:39:05
I understand everything now.

00:39:07
Like that's the vibe that I got oh, interesting, I did not get

00:39:09
that.

00:39:10
Kip: I thought it was very sweet .

00:39:11
I thought it was nice to kind of like have her feel this

00:39:16
connection to aaron that obviously she's has, but just

00:39:19
like remembering kind of how she once again almost lost him and

00:39:23
it was like I don't, she doesn't want to go through that.

00:39:25
And it was like a reminder of how close she was to losing him,

00:39:28
and it was like no, no, I mean, that makes sense.

00:39:30
Theresa: I think I'm, I think I'm just unsettled.

00:39:32
I think it was, maybe it's the delivery.

00:39:35
Kip: Maybe, yeah, maybe that's what you didn't like about it.

00:39:37
It's possible.

00:39:37
Theresa: Because I think it should be.

00:39:38
I agree, Like that's what it should be to me and it's not, so

00:39:42
I'm like maybe I just oh, and also Danielle's final creepy

00:39:46
message, like when you know what you have to do.

00:39:48
Kip: it's like oh yeah, that's because they're like.

00:39:56
Amanda: You know what she's really.

00:39:56
We're humanizing her a lot.

00:39:58
Let's remind you what Rousseau is like at her core exactly

00:40:03
she'll kill you creep, she will kill anybody, she'd trip but a

00:40:07
part of me.

00:40:08
Kip: Do we know yet about all that, or no, you don't know well

00:40:11
just what she said about how her, her people that she was

00:40:15
stranded on the island with, got sick and she killed them yeah.

00:40:18
Amanda: So I I think that what she's doing is like there's a

00:40:21
part of me that's like as she's remembering like all of the

00:40:23
stuff she lost, she's kind of being like she's almost having

00:40:26
to like convince herself again that like what she's done is

00:40:29
right.

00:40:29
And so by like being like just so you know this is the right

00:40:33
thing you have to do, don't forget, like she's kind of

00:40:36
telling herself that a bit too.

00:40:37
So I did think it was kind of like a especially a joke that

00:40:40
it's like to remind us that she's creepy.

00:40:42
I think it was also like she's reminding herself like I am not

00:40:45
one of them yeah, I I, and, and we all have to do what we have

00:40:48
to do, and I know I thought it was I thought it was cute it

00:40:53
it's interesting because I guess all that really happened for

00:40:57
Claire in this episode in terms of like outcome is that she

00:41:00
remembered what happened yeah and then Aaron is just okay.

00:41:05
But you know there's not really anything about like that

00:41:09
storyline and if it's actually a thing or anything really no,

00:41:12
like there really wasn't much in terms of plot development or

00:41:17
moving the story forward.

00:41:20
Kip: I I mean, I guess we we do get the gaps filled in of where

00:41:24
claire was from season one, right, because that was a

00:41:27
mystery.

00:41:28
Amanda: So now we're kind of told that yeah, but I don't know

00:41:30
, like, and maybe this and this is interesting for anyone who's

00:41:33
watching it for the first time I'd love to know, because maybe

00:41:35
I'm just backfilling, right, but I don't remember.

00:41:38
Like, when I'm watching this I'm like, yeah, I don't think

00:41:41
anything, that earth shattering, like I think we all knew she

00:41:43
was taken by ethan somewhere and then she got out somehow and

00:41:50
what happened with ethan is not that surprising, like, obviously

00:41:55
it is I think that it was clear they wanted her baby and that's

00:41:58
why they took her and not someone else yeah, no, I agree,

00:42:02
I think it was surprising to see this.

00:42:05
Kip: Very like pristine yes, medical, that's true place in

00:42:09
the middle of the jungle or this island and kind of what we've

00:42:13
seen of the others so far is these like, almost like

00:42:16
hillbilly ragged people who like live in the middle of nowhere,

00:42:20
yeah and then we find out that those are maybe just costumes

00:42:23
and like they have this like state of the art facility.

00:42:25
That's super high tech, so I think that was that's true very

00:42:29
like, almost like shattering, like kind of this image we have.

00:42:33
So which was like they're not just pitchfork, yeah, fire,

00:42:37
wielding exactly child kidnappers exactly, but in terms

00:42:41
of like the story moving forward, I don't really feel

00:42:45
there was much yeah no, I agree with you yeah, maybe that was

00:42:48
part of.

00:42:48
Amanda: It is like, let's just give people a little bit of a

00:42:51
what you know, give me some answers, yeah, which is nice,

00:42:54
but yeah, and then ask some more questions.

00:42:56
Yeah, um yeah, speaking of more questions, we have the.

00:43:02
There is still some development with henry gale.

00:43:07
So there is still that.

00:43:08
We kind of touched upon the john lock thing in the beginning

00:43:10
, but we that you know Henry is still there, he's still being

00:43:15
held captive, he's still doing his thing.

00:43:19
Kip: Jack takes him to the washroom.

00:43:21
Amanda: Jack takes him to the washroom, eats possibly a pork

00:43:24
chop, we're not sure.

00:43:25
Kip: And a bowl of fruit.

00:43:26
Amanda: Very well-balanced meals they're serving there no

00:43:29
vegetables though.

00:43:32
Kip: But Echo comes to visit him because echo realizes that he's

00:43:35
there yeah, he comes, he's chopping his trees down, needs a

00:43:40
saw, comes in and notices there's a bed in the armory, so

00:43:45
he puts two and two together that someone's down there.

00:43:46
I didn't.

00:43:47
I'll be honest, I don't quite understand this echo storyline I

00:43:51
loved it elaborate.

00:43:53
Theresa: Oh, I just like that because he's like.

00:43:56
He like confesses to what may or may not be another and the

00:44:02
thing is like we don't know.

00:44:03
In my mind, echo doesn't know if he's ever going to actually

00:44:07
get to know what's going on with the others, if he's actually

00:44:11
another, if he's not another either way, it's like other by

00:44:14
proxy, so he gets to get this stuff off his chest and

00:44:17
apologize to someone because he needs to get that off his chest

00:44:20
and cut off the like things on his chin see, I took it to mean

00:44:24
that he does not, that he believes that henry gale is

00:44:29
another and that's why he confessed to him, because he's

00:44:31
like, yeah, I'm.

00:44:32
Amanda: He's essentially apologizing to the people of the

00:44:35
people he hurt.

00:44:36
Yeah right.

00:44:38
Kip: I did like when henry gale was trying to like question echo

00:44:43
and he's just like stop talking .

00:44:44
Oh, I loved it.

00:44:45
They don't trust you and they're treating you this way

00:44:48
because they don't trust you and they don't know what to think

00:44:50
of you.

00:44:50
It's like, just so matter of fact like I love that, deal with

00:44:53
it.

00:44:54
Amanda: Yeah, exactly that makes sense also.

00:44:56
Theresa: Does anybody else love that?

00:44:57
You know he always carries that like huge stick.

00:44:59
So he's about to go and he gives the stick to jack.

00:45:01
They close the door, he, he says your spiel, then he whips

00:45:05
out a knife, this huge knife and he's just like yeah, but I

00:45:08
don't get that hair beard thing I think it's symbolic of what,

00:45:12
though?

00:45:12
Of his guilt.

00:45:14
Amanda: How, I don't know but there's a deep,

00:45:19
thought-provoking analysis.

00:45:21
Theresa: You know it might be a lot, it might be like a

00:45:23
religious thing, it might be like his background thing, like

00:45:26
we don't, I don't know, but there's two of them, obviously,

00:45:29
which symbolizes okay, see, I didn't even put that together

00:45:32
each person that he killed do you think he would have grown

00:45:36
three if he killed three?

00:45:37
Kip: yes so he's, but he didn't give them to henry, he just

00:45:42
showed them.

00:45:42
Theresa: Yeah, he just chopped them off.

00:45:43
What did?

00:45:44
Amanda: he do with them.

00:45:45
Theresa: It's on the ground in my mind they're just in his bed

00:45:49
he's gonna wake up and just be like what well his fate.

00:45:52
Like henry gale's like what the fuck face at first he looks so

00:45:58
scared when he walks like his echoes are very like when he

00:46:01
walks into a room.

00:46:02
Like you know well, he's intimidating intimidating, he

00:46:04
just like casually walks in super quiet and henry looks like

00:46:07
he's gonna shit himself.

00:46:08
Kip: Yeah, he's like oh fuck I mean, I, I guess, yeah, I, I

00:46:12
suppose I understand that he felt he needed to confess due to

00:46:16
his religious nature.

00:46:18
That scene really didn't do much for me.

00:46:24
Theresa: I love Echo, though that's the problem.

00:46:26
Amanda: I just kind of was like when he went in there, I thought

00:46:28
that, like that's why I like to think that the reason he did

00:46:33
that is because he knows, like he believes, that, um, henry

00:46:39
gale is another and a part of that because I feel like echo

00:46:44
would know, and so the fact that he didn't like accomplish more

00:46:48
in that room with him, like I was like expecting him to like

00:46:52
come out, being like yeah, he's another yeah I have no doubt in

00:46:54
my mind.

00:46:55
But so like to me, like the fact that, like that, nothing

00:46:58
profound like that happened.

00:46:59
I like to think that him confessing that way is his way

00:47:02
of being like, and him being like shut up, don't talk.

00:47:05
We all know you're lying like stop nothing you say is helping

00:47:08
you.

00:47:08
Also, I killed two of your buddies yeah thank you, good day

00:47:12
.

00:47:12
I'll let you go back to being tortured slowly, he's not really

00:47:16
being tortured, though he's just reading a book.

00:47:18
Because Jack is.

00:47:19
You know what?

00:47:20
Jack will lock him in a room, make him have to pee on a leash

00:47:25
and hold him there for God knows how long, but he will not let

00:47:27
Saeed torture him.

00:47:28
Kip: No.

00:47:29
Theresa: No, Instead he just has to eat a bunch of fruit and

00:47:32
mystery gray matter and some rice.

00:47:35
Amanda: I thought it was a Salisbury steak.

00:47:37
Kip: I don't even remember seeing the food.

00:47:39
You guys know all this food.

00:47:45
Theresa: We like, food we like to know what they're eating on

00:47:46
the island.

00:47:47
I'm curious about some of the logistics I understand the fruit

00:47:49
bowl, but I don't understand what was with the rice.

00:47:52
Kip: It's just funny to me thinking of john locke cutting

00:47:54
up all this fruit for henry like taking care of henry I know mom

00:48:01
and dad.

00:48:02
I mean, dad and dad, here's your book, yeah, okay.

00:48:06
So speaking of the book, let's get into the weird mind games

00:48:10
going on here oh, master manipulator, oh, that's what it

00:48:14
says on the whiteboard.

00:48:15
Henry Gale, mr Manipulator.

00:48:18
Theresa: Mr Manipulator.

00:48:20
Kip: He totally is.

00:48:21
Yeah, he is a master manipulator.

00:48:24
You can just see him going to town doing his thing.

00:48:26
It's so good, it's so clear too .

00:48:29
It's just not subtle.

00:48:30
Amanda: No, so I thought there was more subtlety to him last

00:48:34
episode.

00:48:34
But yeah, so he brings him the brothers Karamovsky or whatever,

00:48:40
and then he comes back and they're talking.

00:48:44
He's like is it true what you said about Hemingway?

00:48:46
So he's like letting Locke know a couple of things there.

00:48:49
He's like letting him know, like I can hear you guys.

00:48:51
Kip: Yeah.

00:48:51
Amanda: So I know the dynamic, yeah right.

00:48:55
He's like letting him know, like I can hear you guys.

00:48:56
Yeah, so I know the dynamic, yeah right.

00:48:57
And then he's like trying to get on his side, but talking

00:48:58
about hemingway and how he can relate to hemingway which, by

00:49:00
the way, no one should be able to relate to hemingway um, he's

00:49:04
a terrible person I think a lot's changed in terms of

00:49:07
perception of him since this episode.

00:49:08
My perception of ernest hemingway in real time would

00:49:11
have been the way it is today.

00:49:13
But so his whole like he's like the everyman and I can relate

00:49:17
to him because he fought in the Spanish War and he rode with

00:49:20
bulls.

00:49:20
I'm like no one believes you can do any of that.

00:49:23
You can't even get over in a balloon, apparently, which makes

00:49:27
no sense.

00:49:28
I've never been doing that, you look foolish ridiculous.

00:49:32
I've never been doing that.

00:49:33
You look foolish, ridiculous, um, but that is like kind of his

00:49:36
way to be, like you know, like, oh, I'm just the every man.

00:49:39
Kip: Yeah.

00:49:40
Amanda: I don't know about this high level thing, this highbrow.

00:49:42
Yeah, but oh, do you like?

00:49:45
Who do you see yourself as?

00:49:47
Kip: Yeah.

00:49:48
Amanda: Oh, you kind of see yourself as the genius.

00:49:50
Well, is the genius?

00:49:55
Well, I don't know because and he like sets up that, like that

00:49:57
dichotomy in lock's mind, right, just, are you the genius or are

00:49:58
you the person living in the shadow of the genius, as if

00:49:59
those are the only two options.

00:50:01
Right, and it's like, oh well, if you're the genius, why is

00:50:05
that doctor calling the shots?

00:50:07
Right, like it was just there.

00:50:08
I guess there was some subtlety to it.

00:50:10
Kip: But then just to kind of like hammer that home, I'm like

00:50:13
you're such a jerk, like yeah, there was some subtlety to it,

00:50:16
but then just to kind of like hammer that home, I'm like

00:50:18
you're such a jerk, like yeah, there was like minimal subtlety,

00:50:20
but I think I don't think.

00:50:21
I think Henry Gale knows he doesn't need subtlety with.

00:50:26
John Locke anymore he kind of cracked the code early on that

00:50:28
he can pull his strings and push his buttons super easily.

00:50:34
So he doesn't need to be that subtle or that like low-key

00:50:35
about it.

00:50:35
He can literally just say what you just said, amanda, and he

00:50:38
knows it'll drive him crazy, and it does it works again.

00:50:42
Amanda: I know, and I'm so torn because I I even while we were

00:50:45
talking about it all day and like this whole episode in your

00:50:48
stream of consciousness streets, I keep going back and forth.

00:50:51
I'm like m, is it in character or out of character that lock

00:50:55
would be so easily manipulated?

00:50:56
Because I feel as a whole lock should not be that easily

00:51:00
manipulated.

00:51:00
But I agree with you guys that when it comes to this very

00:51:03
specific thing, it makes sense almost that he would be able to

00:51:06
be manipulated I think it makes sense yeah it sucks and it's

00:51:09
disappointing, but it makes sense, because whenever it comes

00:51:12
to jack, he's just easily manipulated, period.

00:51:14
Theresa: It's like remember when in the last episode when not

00:51:19
last episode, the episode before that sawyer managed to

00:51:22
manipulate him in like five seconds.

00:51:24
That's true, and it was just because, like it was all just

00:51:28
jack's on his way up here.

00:51:29
Kip: That's true I think it's in character too.

00:51:31
I think what we're seeing is a pattern of john lock being

00:51:36
easily manipulated and like he's blinded by this, like fantasy

00:51:42
of his destiny that he thinks he has, and right now, like and

00:51:45
this is that, yeah, ration of that, yeah, and like right now

00:51:49
the button is his life and even, like you know, jack uses that

00:51:53
against him, being like you know , it's not my fucking button

00:51:56
anymore, I really don't give a shit about it, but press it all

00:51:59
you want kind of thing, right, I'll buy into it for now.

00:52:02
And john's just so blinded by that that he's so easily

00:52:07
manipulated by almost everybody else, which is it's like this

00:52:12
weird image of this season one, john lock, who you kind of saw

00:52:17
as this, like super, almost like a superman, like survivor man

00:52:21
type guy, who could take care of everything, and he had all the

00:52:24
answers, he knew what he was doing.

00:52:25
And then throughout season two so far, we're really starting to

00:52:28
see those cracks and just see him kind of be a lot more

00:52:32
fragile, a lot more, um, sensitive to those types of

00:52:37
things.

00:52:38
Amanda: So it's really interesting to see that sort of

00:52:40
like rise and fall I agree and yeah, like you're right, I guess

00:52:44
like the whole thing is like he's so easily manipulated off

00:52:47
island in his flashbacks as well yeah, exactly I think you guys

00:52:50
are.

00:52:50
Yeah, he has like tunnel vision on like whatever his focus is

00:52:54
and, yeah, right now, his like arch enemy whether he's invents

00:52:57
it or not is jack right and like this idea that they're so

00:53:01
diametrically opposed on so much .

00:53:02
So, yeah, you're right, it does make sense.

00:53:04
What I think is sad is that you see lock become so much more on

00:53:08
the island in so many ways and it's sad to see that like that's

00:53:11
still a big piece of like his.

00:53:12
Yeah, you know I don't know flaws or, like you said,

00:53:16
weakness or whatever that he can't overcome that, despite the

00:53:18
fact this is a guy who can now walk and like hunt, boar and

00:53:21
track and throw knives and and he still gets oh, it's weird,

00:53:26
you have the doctor, why would you have the doctor in charge?

00:53:28
Kip: and he's like losing it right, yeah yeah, yes and we've

00:53:32
seen him lose it like many times I don't know about many, but a

00:53:35
few times where he throws shit around.

00:53:38
Seems to be his thing when he's upset.

00:53:41
Theresa: Yeah.

00:53:41
Kip: The toolbox, the dishes last time.

00:53:44
He really likes to huck shit around when he's not feeling

00:53:48
good.

00:53:49
Theresa: Yeah, when he gets angry, he gets a violente.

00:53:53
Kip: All right.

00:53:53
Well, I mean, I think that's kind of.

00:53:56
Theresa: It.

00:53:56
It, for the episode Is there anything left on the whiteboard

00:53:58
that hasn't been read out loud.

00:53:59
Amanda: That needs to be.

00:54:00
No, I think we're good.

00:54:01
Theresa: Probably not a good idea to knock out a pregnant

00:54:03
woman, that's true.

00:54:05
Kip: To knock out a pregnant woman.

00:54:06
Theresa: What did I say?

00:54:07
Kip: Oh, maybe you said that I.

00:54:09
Theresa: I don't know what I said anymore.

00:54:11
Kip: Yeah, no, that's about it.

00:54:12
Oh, I did like one other thing I liked when, first of all, I

00:54:19
thought it was kind of strange for some reason for John Locke

00:54:22
to ask Jack about the long-term plan with Henry Gale, like when

00:54:26
they're talking about the shifts and stuff like well, what's the

00:54:28
plan?

00:54:28
I just want to know what the long-term plan is.

00:54:30
I thought that was a little out of character for Locke.

00:54:32
I feel like he would already have the plan, yeah, and.

00:54:39
But then also I like how it just was a setup for henry gill

00:54:40
to be like just let me out, that was funny like he just like

00:54:42
hears whatever they're talking about yeah and wait how didn't,

00:54:45
how didn't they know that the walls weren't there?

00:54:48
well, yeah, I mean I think this episode they're all kind of I

00:54:52
think she's, I think Locke's, just kind of like saying are you

00:54:54
good hearing?

00:54:54
Yeah, and then begin.

00:54:55
Amanda: Oh, okay, yeah Well, teresa, I think that leads us to

00:55:02
hearing how everyone did today, and maybe we'll see where

00:55:06
Claire in particular was affected.

00:55:09
Theresa: It's not that exciting today.

00:55:10
I'm so sorry At number 16, because we haven't seen him in a

00:55:14
long time and he has no chance to move up or down.

00:55:17
Michael, negative 830.

00:55:20
Charlie negative 615.

00:55:23
Ana Lucia, negative 230.

00:55:27
Kate negative 5.

00:55:28
Desmond 60.

00:55:29
Walt 240.

00:55:31
Libby 390.

00:55:34
Jack 570.70.

00:55:43
Sawyer 745, claire 780, echo 1270, her top five, jinn 1345,

00:55:48
saeed 1365, sun 1595, lock 1645, and then hur's still at number

00:55:53
one with 1710 or 1720.

00:55:56
Kip: Sorry.

00:55:57
Amanda: What I find interesting about the two things.

00:56:01
It's so funny to me how Charlie's slowly closing the gap

00:56:04
on Michael.

00:56:05
Yeah, but also just like there's not that many people in

00:56:09
the negatives.

00:56:09
Yeah, and the gap between them like to go from like 800

00:56:13
something to 16 or to 600 to 200 to 5, like the characters that

00:56:18
suck, really fucking suck on this show like it's always.

00:56:23
Theresa: There's always like an episode or two where, like they

00:56:25
just are so terrible yeah, it just really drags them right

00:56:29
down and then you don't see them for a while, or they?

00:56:31
Have like very minimal things so like it's impossible for them

00:56:34
to move up for a while or they're michael or they're just

00:56:36
michael.

00:56:36
I don't think I will ever get just michael should be the name

00:56:40
of you know what michael might get?

00:56:42
To the negative, to the positives?

00:56:44
I don't think so.

00:56:45
Amanda: I don't remember, mathematically impossible I

00:56:48
think like I know this isn't a very exact science, but if I had

00:56:51
to say anything was exact about this, it would be that Michael

00:56:54
is never getting out of the negatives.

00:56:56
Theresa: I honestly, I don't remember.

00:56:57
I only remember one thing about the future yeah, and what do

00:57:03
you think that?

00:57:03
Amanda: Well, actually, never mind, it could go either way.

00:57:06
Theresa: Oh, no I only remember one thing, and like that's about

00:57:11
it.

00:57:12
Kip: Fair enough.

00:57:12
Fair enough, all right.

00:57:15
One thing, and like that's about it, fair enough, all right

00:57:17
.

00:57:17
So I will just say this my rankings have not changed.

00:57:19
Saeed is still top, charlie is still bottom that's fair I found

00:57:22
I don't know about you, but I found when I was doing my

00:57:24
rankings this week there just wasn't a whole lot of movement,

00:57:27
because no there wasn't anything nothing was really.

00:57:31
Theresa: This sounds terrible.

00:57:31
Amanda: Nothing really like happened yeah, like everyone was

00:57:34
kind of themselves, everything that happened, already happened

00:57:37
yeah, you know like we're just kind of learning about what

00:57:40
happened, but it's nothing has really like we.

00:57:43
We still don't know what's going on with henry gale.

00:57:45
We know that claire was really affected by something.

00:57:48
Theresa: We kind of know what it is now, but these rankings, no

00:57:50
one moved, like they all went up or not.

00:57:53
Kip: They all but the people who were in the episode either went

00:57:56
up or down, but they didn't move number wise interesting

00:58:00
yeah, okay, all right here it is , let's do our own episode

00:58:08
ratings I can start, I would give this a solid 8.3, along

00:58:14
with IMDb.

00:58:15
Amanda: I think it makes sense where people kind of ended up on

00:58:18
it.

00:58:19
It is really cool to get like a very straight answer about

00:58:24
where Claire was, because we don't get a lot of straight

00:58:26
answers on this show particularly yet.

00:58:27
But again, it obviously does raise more questions than

00:58:31
answers.

00:58:32
In a lot of ways it is really cool.

00:58:34
I love the Russo stuff.

00:58:35
I like seeing Henry Gale try to get under John's skin.

00:58:39
I like all that kind of stuff.

00:58:41
So I think overall it's a solid episode.

00:58:43
Like I said, that kind of higher level thinking that this

00:58:47
episode brings out in me in terms of my overall view of the

00:58:49
show is that I do think Claire is a lot more immature than I

00:58:52
used to think she was and I think that she has a lot of work

00:58:54
to do on herself.

00:58:55
I do get a little bit worried when she says things like we can

00:58:58
take care of each other, when it's like, well, you're supposed

00:59:00
to take care of him, but you know, I think some of that shows

00:59:04
that she wasn't really ready for this.

00:59:05
But she's doing the best she can.

00:59:06
She clearly loves him to death and she's been through a lot.

00:59:10
So I think that showed us a lot of strength.

00:59:13
The character for her and Russo is great and we get kind of that

00:59:21
glimpse into the others.

00:59:21
Just that set a little one more step closer to seeing what the

00:59:23
hell are these people about.

00:59:23
And then, like you said, we see this like pristine medical

00:59:27
thing.

00:59:28
And then all this like fake beards and stuff, like like

00:59:30
there is such a level of I don't even know what you say.

00:59:34
There's just obviously so much going on here that we have not

00:59:37
even scratched the surface on.

00:59:38
So that's very interesting as well.

00:59:40
Kip: All right Teresa.

00:59:43
Theresa: I'm going to give it an eight.

00:59:43
I think that's what I went in to this recording thinking.

00:59:49
But even before, I knew what IMDB said and I was like, oh

00:59:53
okay, close.

00:59:54
Similar to what Amanda said, this episode gave you a lot but

01:00:01
also asked a lot of questions on top of it.

01:00:06
I really liked Russo's part in it.

01:00:08
I really liked Echo.

01:00:10
Yeah, just, it was a good episode.

01:00:14
Not my favorite, but not a bad episode.

01:00:17
So I think eight is where I would put it.

01:00:21
Kip: Okay, I give it a 7.8.

01:00:24
Not overall memorable for me.

01:00:27
Russo and sort of these new questions raised about the

01:00:35
others, I think we're saving graces for me and a little bit

01:00:38
of that.

01:00:38
Henry Gale, goodness.

01:00:39
Um yeah, overall 7.8 for me Not very memorable.

01:00:45
Theresa: That's fair.

01:00:46
Amanda: All right, Well, thanks for coming and listening to

01:00:50
another episode of let's get lost.

01:00:52
Please join us again next week when we are discussing the Whole

01:00:56
Truth episode 16.

01:00:58
Kip: I don't remember what that's about Me, neither.

01:01:00
Amanda: Well, I think I won't give away the synopsis now, but

01:01:03
I think we might be on to a sun-related episode.

01:01:06
So let's see if our queen can regain her throne at the top.

01:01:11
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