Let's Get Lost 40 - Season 2: Lockdown

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Kip: we're three best friends and we love lost and we love

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talking, but even more so we love talking about lost.

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So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get

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lost together.

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Amanda: Hello everybody and welcome to this week's episode

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of let's Get Lost.

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I'm here with myself, amanda, as usual, and I'm joined by my

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very good friends and Lost buddies and podcast host Kip.

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Kip: Hello.

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Amanda: Teresa, hi, and if it sounds a little bit phoned in,

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it's because we forgot to hit record earlier.

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Just kidding.

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Kip: Well, yeah, no, that's true here.

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Amanda: I'll just do a quick recap of it for everyone.

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Kip's having a good week.

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Trace is just okay.

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This is our 40th episode, woohoo.

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Kip: Crazy 40 episodes in.

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Amanda: That's insane, and Kip, you did tell us that 50 would be

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in season three.

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Yeah, because that's insane.

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Kip: and Kip, you did tell us that 50 would be in season 3

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yeah, because we only have 7 episodes of season 2 left, so by

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the time we get to our 50th episode, we'll be into season 3,

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which is wild to think about that is actually insane.

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Amanda: And then we'll be halfway almost halfway through

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the series yeah, holy shit especially because the first

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couple of seasons or longer, yeah.

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So the more seasons we get in, the less like time episode wise

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we have left I think season three is the last like of the 20

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, 20 ish, and I think four probably would have been as well

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if it wasn't for the writer's that's true, yeah and then I

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think five and six were always supposed to be kind of shorter,

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yeah, but uh, yeah, and I was.

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I was just thinking about how it's always good, but it's

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getting to that point where this was the first episode Cause we

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watch them, obviously for the purposes of, you know, being

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able to provide you with a good, entertaining, cohesive podcast.

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But we're still fans and so, for the most part, I put it on,

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I watch it, I turned it off but, man, after this week's episode,

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did I not want to turn?

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Theresa: it off.

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Oh, amanda, just episode.

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Did I not want to turn it?

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Oh, amanda, just dug in.

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Amanda: I was like I'm not leaving you wanted to keep

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watching.

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Kip: I'm watching till the end.

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I had to turn it off.

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Oh yeah, it's so good that end.

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Theresa: I know like how is someone like and.

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Amanda: And then it always makes me just think about how I'm

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like freaking out that I can't watch it 10 minutes later and

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people had to wait a week, and sometimes with these like bigger

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cliff cliffhangers they did it at a time when they knew it was

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going to be a few weeks Exactly.

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Kip: It was a good one, a good cliffhanger.

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Amanda: Alright.

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Well, Teresa, why don't you tell us what it's about before I

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ruin the whole thing for us by just talking about that ending?

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Theresa: Absolutely Alright.

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So we're talking about episode 17 of season 2 and it's called

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Lockdown.

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It's written by Carlton Cusin, Damon Lindelof and directed by

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Stephen Williams.

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Stephen, stephen, stephen, stephen.

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Anyway, when the hatch suddenly takes on a life of its own,

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locke is forced to enlist the help of an unlikely ally.

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Meanwhile, ana Lucia, saeed and Charlie go off into the jungle

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to find out the truth about Henry.

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Amanda: Can I say something for a second Matt Talk amongst

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yourselves.

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Kip: They went to the jungle last episode?

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Yeah, they did.

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They're still in the jungle.

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Theresa: They're still there.

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They trekked off last time and we're still.

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Kip: They're still there.

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What's happening?

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Amanda: I have a funny thing.

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So I don't know about you guys, but I listened to our.

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I mean, well, kip obviously listens to it too.

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You don't think I listened to our podcast.

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Well, I don't know what you do, but I literally, literally when

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it comes out, cause it comes out every Tuesday.

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Um, I always listened to collision, which came out today,

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and, funny little thing, stephen williams directed

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collision and kip gave us a little trivia about stephen

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williams, so I'm gonna see if theresa remembers her own trivia

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theresa, how many episodes total of lost to stephen

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williams direct?

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we had a little back and forth on this because you said 42.

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And then we were like it's not a sitcom.

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Kip: And then we had to.

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Amanda: What?

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It was a little thing, because you were like 42.

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I don't even remember, I didn't listen to this episode yet and

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you started, I know, but do you remember what you actually said?

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I remember the answer I spiraled.

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No, we all spiraled all the time.

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That's what we do.

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Theresa: I feel like I would have said one of the numbers you

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did.

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Amanda: And then you said another one of the numbers, and

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then you said I'm just saying the numbers, but you don't

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remember what it?

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Kip: was then I'd probably start with 23.

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Amanda: Yes, but it's 25.

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25.

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This is another one of all this to say.

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I just think it's funny that the last one I listened to.

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Theresa: Where, where are we going with this, stephen

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Williams, is we're back to a Stephen Williams episode.

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Our very most prolific.

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Oh, I see, I see, I thought she was making fun of me.

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Again, it's February 20th.

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Kip: today we're recording Lockdown directed by Stephen

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Williams.

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But, also released today into the wild was.

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Amanda: Collision directed by Stephen Williams, and I think

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that just goes to show exactly what we were talking about in

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that episode, which is that Stephen Williams very prolific

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lost director directed 25 episodes.

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Kip: Yeah, that's a lot.

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Amanda: That's a lot.

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That's a lot for a show, especially a drama.

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So Stephen Williams clearly earning his paycheck because

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they're great episodes that he's directing.

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Kip: I wonder what he's, what he did, since.

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Amanda: I don't know.

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Kip: Yeah, we'll have to look that up, stephen, let us know.

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Theresa: Is it Stephen?

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Kip: I don't know, I assume, I don't know, I think it's because

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it's PH, right?

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Theresa: Yeah, stephen, with a PH is a thing, stephen is

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usually with an F, f and an A, is that not Stefan?

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Kip: But Stefan and Stefan are the same.

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It's just different enunciation , is that not?

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Amanda: Stefan.

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I mean, perhaps I can't have children.

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You can just give them names that can't be fucked with.

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Kip: Why did you say you can't have children Because I?

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Theresa: can't be in charge of naming a human.

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Amanda: Just name it Adam.

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A-t-o-m Shit, name it Michael.

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Kip: No, never I keep making this.

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Oh shit, Name it Michael.

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No, never I keep making this worse and worse Name it Walt, no

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Shannon.

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Amanda: I mean, if we have kids, we have to give them lost names

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.

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Theresa: I'd probably pick Sawyer.

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Oh yeah, that's a good one, I'll pick.

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Amanda: I would pick Desmond Smokey Okie dokie Smokey monster

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, and every time I saw your kid I'd be like okie dokie Smokey.

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Theresa: Monster.

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Please, somebody, could you name the middle name Monster?

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Kip: Smokey Monster Gunther yeah .

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Amanda: I'd name it Ben.

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Kip: Oh.

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Theresa: Ooh Henry Gale.

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Kip: All right, let me read you some facts and trivia about this

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episode.

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Theresa: Okay, I'm ready.

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Kip: Okay, so this is a high ranker well obviously nine out

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of ten on imdb.

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So we're right up there.

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Uh, 16.21 million viewers, which is actually an increase

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from the previous episode, so people wanted to tune in well,

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it's henry gale storyline.

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Amanda: It's, it's a yeah, it's what's wanting.

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Even I've seen it and I want to keep.

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I can imagine the promos for this would have been oh yeah

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epic.

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Kip: Okay, so saw your nickname count.

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We had four this episode.

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Amanda: Let's get some guesses in mongo or whatever he calls

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yeah, at one point.

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I don't know what that means, but I don't like it tattoo no no

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, that wasn't dave.

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It's the beginning of the episode.

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Kip: Oh my god we can't do it, yeah, I know, sorry, that was my

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bad dang next week tattoo there was one that he calls.

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Theresa: He calls something, something man or something um,

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okay, so we have mutton chops oh , yeah, for hurley armor

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amarillo, amarillo slim.

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That's it.

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Yeah, I didn't know what that meant, he's a cigarette type.

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Kip: That's what I thought.

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Theresa: Okay, I don't know.

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None of us are smokers.

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Kip: Cool Hand, calls him Okay.

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And then?

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Amanda: Mongo.

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So two for Hurley, two for I guess it's really Other than

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Kate.

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Those are the only two people he really attracted.

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Kip: We call them Doc a lot, but I don't count those anymore no

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no 61, day 61 on the island and we have one uh concussion, but

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it was self-inflicted.

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Henry gale fell, knocked himself out.

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So many knockouts like how do you just go unconscious from

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falling?

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Amanda: I've fallen a lot in life.

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Theresa: I've never been unconscious I have been knocked

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unconscious once for like four seconds, but that's because,

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yeah, like I was trying to, I was playing basketball and I was

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, I had my arms crossed in front of me and I was like ready to

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take this girl on, who was like a lot taller and like bigger and

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faster than I was, and she was coming at me and I was like here

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we go.

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And then she knocked into me and I like hit my head and then

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went out for a little bit and then I woke up and I was like

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what?

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happened wow it was like literally four seconds of being

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out, not as long as I don't know how long henry was out for, but

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quite some time all right, I have two trivia questions.

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Kip: I'm ready they're gonna be so hard I can feel it.

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Um, I don't think so.

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Okay, question one who is the person for whom lock does the

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home inspection?

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What?

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Amanda: I haven't decided if that means she's earned it more

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or she has locked herself out of the competition.

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Kip: I know that was extreme.

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Theresa: It's because I raised my hand and then I remembered.

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Kip: You can't raise your hand.

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You gotta make a sound, because I raised my hand.

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Theresa: I raised my hand and then I was like wait, we're not

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supposed to, we have to say other things.

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Kip: So okay, teresa, go for it, nadia, that's correct, nadia.

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Amanda: And at this junction in her life she's clearly not with

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Saeed.

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No, because she says if I had a husband I would be here?

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Kip: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.

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Like when does this line up Mm-hmm, all right.

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Question two what number was Anthony Cooper's safety?

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Amanda: deposit box.

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Theresa: Walt.

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Kip: Okay, I also know this for the record One, two, three, 15,

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16.

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Amanda: Yeah, oh, I thought you were doing one five, one six.

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That's what I thought we were doing.

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That's why, when you said one, I said five.

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Kip: She literally hears yeah, that's what I thought.

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No, you were like you said one, I said five.

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Amanda: She literally hears trees said yeah, that's what I

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thought.

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Theresa: No, you were like you said, I said one, and then I

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said five.

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Amanda: I said two because it was 15 16, so I thought we're

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going back and forth.

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Kip: Anyway, it's 15 16, it is 15 16.

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Yes, theresa you, I swept it, I swept it for the first time.

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Theresa: that was one of the greatest moments of my life.

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I'm actually sweating a little bit that was very intense.

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Kip: It was so intense, yeah, okay.

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So there you have it.

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Teresa wins for the first time.

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No, I don't think it's the first time, it's like the second

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All right.

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So let's have it, Amanda.

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Amanda: Let's have the high level takeaway I think that kate

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is playing into this love triangle more than I remember

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her playing into it.

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I remember thinking that it was a lot more like circumstance

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happening to her and around her.

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I didn't't and I know this is a weird, this is a weird high

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level takeaway for me, cause you'd think anything that would

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like paint Kate in a worse picture I would have taken away

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from it, but I actually didn't.

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I always kind of thought like the love triangle between the

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three of them was really like a device caused by Jack and Sawyer

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.

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But she's playing into it a lot like playing poker with sawyer

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and then like whatever was happening at the end there with

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jack.

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I just, kate, you're a lot of things, but you're better than

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this, you know.

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You're better than this and that's my, my high level

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takeaway from it.

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When you look at it from a whole , like like I said, I always

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kind of thought like Kate was just kind of a victim of the

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circumstance and like rivalry between the boys that she kind

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of got caught in the middle of, and I don't like to like it's

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not, it's not a bad thing, like she can do what she wants, like

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she can play them both if she wants.

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Hey girl, get yours.

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You know.

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But I'm just saying I think she likes to make it seem like this

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was all happening around her and I used to think that too.

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I used to be like you know, like that joke she makes about,

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maybe I should go get a ruler Like I always kind of saw them

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as these, like competitive things that she just kind of was

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like in the middle of, but I know, I think she, I think she

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likes it a little bit too, so fair take.

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And this is the first episode where I kind of looked back on

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all of their interactions and was like, Kate, you gotta be

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careful here, you know it was that.

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Kip: It was that walk in the woods.

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Amanda: Yeah, like and like she, just she's like that.

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I think that bothers me, cause it's like Kate, like I said,

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obviously it's weird for me to be defending her, but like she

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is like I don't like her, but she is like supposed to be this

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like strong female character, and it just pisses me off when

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they take this strong female character and then like, just

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like, reduce her to this like middle, like, oh, like, I just

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don't think she would be like that, like it doesn't make sense

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to me, like I think she would be a lot more open about it.

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I don't think she'd be playing them this like I don't know, and

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then, like, I feel like when jack's around she's worse to

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sawyer and when I don't know, the whole thing is just I, I

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never put a lot into it.

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Like I know they talk about the love triangle a lot and I used

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to remember, I used to kind of say like I don't think it was

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that big of a thing.

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But now, re-watching, I'm like it actually is a pretty big

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thing and it it's not a very attractive look for really any

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of them agreed yeah, there you go, thank you teresa, I think

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you know what that means it's time for

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Theresa: teresa's dream of consciousness also all right.

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So this recap reminds me that Henry is fucked.

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Oh, that's a ring and a box and a socks lock.

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Ugh, I hate young lock.

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Give me old lock, it looks more natural.

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Young lock looks so pink Pink.

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Oh, yeah, that is his name.

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His name is Anthony Cooper why, oh, he died.

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I probably could have put that two and two together.

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Considering she's reading the obituaries, island lock makes so

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much more sense to me than off island lock.

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Also, jack, you brought him out of his hidey hole.

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You put him back.

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Don't make lock, do it, man.

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Henry really knows how to lay into people.

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Hey, okay, I don't love this whole.

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Why isn't it raining here?

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But no one's looked up at all for a balloon?

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Okay, I don't love this whole.

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Why isn't it raining here?

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But no one's looked up at all for a balloon?

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Or has no one noticed that?

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It was kind of weird and kind of shady in this area before it

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started raining, because it wasn't always raining.

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I don't think there's a loop, jack.

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What does that mean?

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There's a loop, jack, don't lie , there's a few loops.

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Don't know what that means.

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That's such a big baby.

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I can't stop commenting on this .

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Hey, look at Locke saying fit and peddling to some music.

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Wait, what's going on?

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What's this noise?

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A radio speaker?

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Why all of a sudden lockdown?

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For why?

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Oh my God, helen's the best.

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Oh my God, there's no one at this funeral.

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Awkward.

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Who are the?

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Who are the sketchies over there?

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Wait, why do you forgive him?

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He didn't even ask for forgiveness, he's just an

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asshole.

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Shut up, henry.

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We need no more chatter from you.

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Shut up, henry.

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Okay, me and Locke definitely on the same wavelength.

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Wait, what the fuck?

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Why are we locked down like this?

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I need an adult.

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Oh, look at them.

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Play with the prutes.

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Okay, jack, why, sawyer, let me put my mangoes where your mouth

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is good, god?

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Um, join in, jack, come on, have some fun.

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Um, I literally would go crazy if I was stuck with Henry.

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He literally never shuts the fuck up.

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I feel like that's Nadia.

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John, you're so brave.

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I wouldn't just walk up to a no-no car that's all tinted up

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and see what's going on.

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Well, of course, this son of a bitch is still alive.

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Why are we drinking with him?

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This is so fucked.

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No, just no, anthony.

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No, you can't ask Bitch bye.

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Don't even entertain it, john.

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Why would you tell him anything ?

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This is ridiculous.

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I would tell Henry we're locked in.

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I wouldn't tell Henry we're locked in.

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He doesn't know he's already locked in.

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You know he wouldn't care.

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No, don't make words.

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Don't be making deals with this ass hat.

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Do not make this deal, john, john, jonathan, do not.

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I said no, that's a bad John.

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Oh, look, we've added some bananas to poker.

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Wait, when did Jack had a Nalgene bottle?

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Jack is cute when he's playing poker.

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I can't even type.

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This is too stressful.

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We know that the toolbox is essentially sheet metal.

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Right, that's not going to hold anything, and I called it.

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Good thing he didn't slide in head first.

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What the fuck?

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Henry's actually helping, which is fine, I guess, locke, you

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took some money, didn't you?

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You know it's rude to dump out someone's bag like that man.

00:17:17
Helen is a badass.

00:17:18
Why do we lie john?

00:17:19
Why do we lie jack?

00:17:22
We really don't need to talk about this tattoo.

00:17:24
That's the only, that's about the only thing I remember about

00:17:27
it.

00:17:28
So here's the best little damps.

00:17:30
Why are you holding?

00:17:31
Why are you holding him like that?

00:17:34
I can't remember.

00:17:35
I think it was john holding henry or henry holding john, but

00:17:40
they're holding each other in a weird way.

00:17:41
You know that pantry is empty.

00:17:44
Who triggered?

00:17:45
What triggered this lockdown?

00:17:46
Anyway, he just got there.

00:17:48
John, relax, is john gonna bleed out?

00:17:50
And henry fell, rot row man.

00:17:54
Everybody's watching this mango poker sitch.

00:17:56
Ew, burning jokes gross.

00:17:59
I've never noticed this before.

00:18:02
But jack has nice eyes.

00:18:03
When did back?

00:18:04
When did jack get such a nice leather backpack?

00:18:07
I'll, when I need the guns, I'll get the guns.

00:18:11
That certainly is smexing man down.

00:18:17
Henry fell, lol.

00:18:18
John outright doesn't care, he just hit the button.

00:18:20
Just get to the button.

00:18:23
I don't know why you would do this for him.

00:18:24
I don't understand.

00:18:25
Won't the bad guys just follow Anthony around?

00:18:27
If you didn't do it for the money, then why'd you do it?

00:18:29
I don't get it.

00:18:30
I'm not good with subtlety.

00:18:34
Oh, I told you, helen was a badass.

00:18:35
She knows what's up Always.

00:18:36
No, you're done, john.

00:18:38
You made your choice.

00:18:38
Sorry, john, but no, if I were her, I'd say no, I can't trust

00:18:42
you, boo.

00:18:42
And no, it is.

00:18:44
And then there's Henry.

00:18:46
Like bye bitch, I'm off.

00:18:47
Do only oceanic flights pass over this hotel?

00:18:50
Oh, oh, my god.

00:18:52
Oh, my god, he didn't make it.

00:18:53
It's dark.

00:18:53
I need an adult.

00:18:55
Oh, my god, what are this?

00:18:55
Did we know that there are black lights?

00:18:57
What the heck?

00:18:57
I am here, help, help.

00:18:58
That's so scary.

00:19:00
What's in the middle?

00:19:01
I don't want to see john's face .

00:19:02
Show me the other things.

00:19:03
Stop showing me john's face.

00:19:04
I just want to see the mural.

00:19:05
Okay, lockdown over.

00:19:07
Wait, why the lockdown again?

00:19:08
Henry dunran bitch, he's free.

00:19:11
You trusted the wrong fucker.

00:19:14
Oh, never mind.

00:19:16
Of course he comes from behind.

00:19:17
Like how, why?

00:19:17
Why from behind?

00:19:18
Okay, so henry stays and helen anthony anthony, leave him.

00:19:23
That's awkward.

00:19:24
Oh, jack and kate are cute.

00:19:26
Again, wait, more food.

00:19:28
I mean, I did say their pantry was empty, but then again, how

00:19:30
does this work?

00:19:31
Is there a constant refill of food, but then again more people

00:19:35
are eating than if it was just desmond?

00:19:36
So how does the hatch know?

00:19:37
Oh man, jack is looking hottie to trotty.

00:19:40
Uh-oh, saeed's looking hella angry.

00:19:43
So I think something is amiss here.

00:19:45
Okay, hold on minus 50 for digging up a grave, but plus 200

00:19:51
finally showing us that Henry, or whoever he is, is full on

00:19:54
fucking lying.

00:19:58
Amanda: Okay, okay, good as usual.

00:20:00
I made a couple notes because Okay, good as usual.

00:20:04
First of all, yes, that scene where Anna Lucia is like holding

00:20:11
her hands out and she's like twice she looks at them what are

00:20:16
you talking about?

00:20:17
When they find the grave oh and then she's looking at her hands

00:20:20
, and then she talks for a second, and then she looks at

00:20:22
them again and she's like why is it not raining here?

00:20:26
like it is everywhere else and I'm like when, like the first

00:20:29
time you do that, when you like just look up like you'd be like,

00:20:31
oh that's weird up, oh that's weird up.

00:20:33
No, it's like that's weird guys .

00:20:35
Why is this weird?

00:20:36
It was very strange.

00:20:38
I know it's for dramatically packed, I just I know it was one

00:20:40
of the first things like because they're so good that it

00:20:43
was one of and this is a jaymond lindelof, carlton hughes

00:20:45
episode, I just want to say and steven williams directed episode

00:20:48
.

00:20:48
So it's like the, the peak people here, and it's like the

00:20:50
peak people here and it's like that's just well, you're

00:20:54
forgetting about Mr Jack Jack.

00:20:56
Bender would not have made this mistake.

00:20:58
Jack Bender would have been like I don't see a look up, just

00:21:01
look up.

00:21:02
But no, seriously, it's one of the first times that it like

00:21:04
took me out of it, because they're usually better than that

00:21:05
.

00:21:18
Kip: Like that was clearly for her to be able to say to them

00:21:19
what's happening.

00:21:19
Then they could all dramatically look up but like a

00:21:19
normal person would have just been like that's weird huh

00:21:20
balloon.

00:21:20
Theresa: I also don't don't buy that charlie wouldn't have just

00:21:21
seen it when he's been standing there for who knows how long.

00:21:22
Amanda: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

00:21:22
The other thing first.

00:21:23
I'll say also when I need the guns, I'll get the guns.

00:21:25
Agree, super schmucksy, um loop .

00:21:28
What you meant by loop, yeah, was that he hurley says to jack

00:21:33
that he feels left out of a loop , oh, and jack's like there's no

00:21:36
loop.

00:21:36
Charlie and you're?

00:21:37
I think your response is yes, there are lots of yeah, there's

00:21:40
a loop.

00:21:40
Theresa: Yeah, that's what you meant by that.

00:21:42
Yeah, because yeah, he's saying I feel out of the loop and

00:21:44
jack's trying to be like there's no loop and it's like really,

00:21:47
there's definitely a loop you know, what's really helpful when

00:21:50
I'm doing my streams and when I'm watching the episode is

00:21:53
sometimes I'll say what I'm going to write out loud more

00:21:57
often than not, and Amanda was there for it, so I feel like she

00:22:01
can really fill in the gaps Can hone in.

00:22:04
Kip: That's good.

00:22:04
Theresa: If I don't remember what I was writing about, it was

00:22:07
a John Locke episode, but Amanda's favorite gilf Amanda's

00:22:13
favorite gilf episode, but amanda's favorite gilf.

00:22:16
Amanda: Amanda's favorite gilf.

00:22:17
Well, he's never gonna have grandchildren if he can't stop

00:22:20
putting his dad before women.

00:22:21
Kip: Yeah, it was such a disappointing episode for john I

00:22:23
mean they all are.

00:22:24
Let's be real, it's the last time.

00:22:26
Amanda: A john episode the last one, I guess ended the most

00:22:28
hopeful of any of them, like when he goes off with helen

00:22:31
after yes but they're never good but they're never good even

00:22:35
that was like such a struggle, like, oh, he's just got such a

00:22:39
sad life.

00:22:40
Kip: It's so sad.

00:22:41
I mean, john, why are you lying so much?

00:22:44
Stop lying to her face to her face, literally why didn't you?

00:22:48
Amanda: just tell her I was awful because he knew she would

00:22:51
leave and like that's what he's trying to avoid.

00:22:53
But then he, he made it worse anyway.

00:22:54
Theresa: But it's so much worse that he lied and she found out

00:22:57
about it.

00:22:57
Oh, 100% If he had just said like look, my dad actually isn't

00:23:02
dead.

00:23:02
He came to me to like ask me for a favor, that's she didn't

00:23:07
seek him out, Right Like Anthony's the one who came to

00:23:10
him.

00:23:10
Kip: So like that's a whole different story, helen would

00:23:12
have worked with him through it Exactly.

00:23:15
Amanda: Especially because Helen is the one who saw the obituary

00:23:17
, pointed it out to him, went to the funeral with him when those

00:23:22
guys showed up.

00:23:23
I don't know we're just doing the whole episode, but when

00:23:25
those guys showed up she's the one who like kind of defended

00:23:27
him Like I think if he just kind of said, like this is a part of

00:23:30
it, like this is a part of my letting go, part of my whatever,

00:23:34
I think she would have been like okay busting it like 200

00:23:38
grand.

00:23:39
Kip: Yeah, it's not bad no, it's not.

00:23:41
Theresa: And she'd be like great .

00:23:42
Now we can cut him out of our lives for sure, like let's just

00:23:45
be done with it.

00:23:46
Kip: He'll go with his 500.

00:23:47
I don't think she would have taken the money.

00:23:48
No, I don't think so.

00:23:49
Amanda: No, but at least it would have been like more of a

00:23:52
discussion yeah.

00:23:53
Because that was so sad.

00:23:54
Kip: Oh, it was awful.

00:23:55
Amanda: To start the episode with him like planning this like

00:23:57
picnic, and then, just because she read the obituaries, I know

00:24:00
he was so happy.

00:24:01
Kip: It was just such a departure from him Like he was

00:24:04
just happy and he was so excited and he was going to propose.

00:24:08
And then she just happened to read the obits, which apparently

00:24:12
she loves doing.

00:24:14
Theresa: Which is weird.

00:24:14
Amanda: Yeah, she's not wrong though there is no one ever says

00:24:17
something mean about someone in the obituary.

00:24:18
Kip: That's true, but like who who would have taken out the

00:24:21
obituary for Anthony Cooper?

00:24:22
Amanda: He must've done it himself oh right Cause he wasn't

00:24:26
actually dead.

00:24:27
Yeah, right, I will say.

00:24:30
As you guys know, there's notes and questions that we go off of

00:24:33
on a whiteboard, and who plays?

00:24:36
The obit is the first one, and I read it and I was like, well,

00:24:40
probably the fake dead guy, you're smarter than this.

00:24:43
I'm not going to say anything because you know I can't believe

00:24:47
anything.

00:24:47
No, but like the whole thing is like such an elaborate, like.

00:24:53
The best part is this is probably Anthony Cooper's nicest

00:24:56
.

00:24:57
This is probably the nicest, least horrible thing he does the

00:25:00
entire time We've.

00:25:01
Kip: we know him throughout the series you know, faking his own

00:25:04
death yeah.

00:25:05
Amanda: And, like Bill Kingsman, out of 700 getting John

00:25:08
wrapped up in it.

00:25:09
Kip: Just a retirement con he calls it.

00:25:11
Amanda: What a psycho.

00:25:12
So casual guys.

00:25:13
Am I the only one who was like when he said retirement con,

00:25:19
unless that's like code for something that I don't

00:25:21
understand?

00:25:21
If it's like, truly just like a , this is a con about your

00:25:25
retirement plan.

00:25:26
Did you think those two guys would be in on a retirement con?

00:25:30
Kip: What do you mean?

00:25:31
Amanda: Like, do you think those two guys like would fall for a

00:25:33
retirement con?

00:25:33
What do you mean?

00:25:33
Like do you think those two guys like would fall for a

00:25:34
retirement con?

00:25:35
Oh unless they're like hired guns for someone else I feel

00:25:39
like they were hired guys okay, like I feel like they were, yeah

00:25:42
, bounty hunters in a sense because those two guys did not

00:25:47
strike me as the we fell for a retire.

00:25:49
They don't strike me as the looking for a retirement fund

00:25:51
type no, yeah, they felt like grunty, okay, grunts okay,

00:25:55
grunty, grunty they kind of remind me of the dramatic

00:25:59
version of the like street thugs from seinfeld that take totally

00:26:03
, oh my god yes, like that's the dramatic version like the

00:26:07
actual, like I'm so glad.

00:26:08
Kip: Actually they were scary they were.

00:26:11
Amanda: They were really scary and, when he like, dumped his no

00:26:13
, I meant the ones from Seinfeld .

00:26:15
Well, I wouldn't want to be shook down by them either.

00:26:23
Kip: Everyone's scary.

00:26:24
Yeah, the ones from Lost were.

00:26:26
Amanda: Pretty much anyone could be like give me your money and

00:26:28
I'd be like, okay, Same, to be honest.

00:26:30
I'm not going to argue.

00:26:34
Kip: Thugs.

00:26:34
They were thugs but uh good for helen, though, sticking up like

00:26:38
she's fearless she really is.

00:26:40
Amanda: What a badass, yeah, like the fact that even like

00:26:43
after everything, like let's just again take it back to that.

00:26:47
She sees you a bit.

00:26:48
She is the one the last time they talked about I'm assuming

00:26:51
one of the last times they would have talked about Anthony was

00:26:54
that big dramatic scene where she, he, she threw his keys or

00:26:57
whatever and clearly made it very clear that he, she didn't

00:27:03
want to hear about it, she didn't want to be a part of it

00:27:05
anymore.

00:27:05
She didn't want any of that.

00:27:06
Yet when this happens, she's still right by his side.

00:27:09
Kip: Yeah, Like she's not like.

00:27:17
Amanda: Well, you shouldn't like well, you shouldn't be you

00:27:19
shouldn't care about that.

00:27:19
You shouldn't go to his funeral .

00:27:20
He was an asshole.

00:27:21
Like she's helped.

00:27:21
She wants him to get the closure right.

00:27:22
Yeah, exactly like she's so cool.

00:27:23
I'm confused, though, about like.

00:27:23
So john and helen planned the funeral apparently yeah and like

00:27:28
no one knows, there's no body in the casket, like I don't oh

00:27:32
yeah like I'm just kind of confused as to the logistics,

00:27:37
like I thought the funeral was also like kind of bought by Tony

00:27:40
.

00:27:40
Kip: Maybe that's why they cut that scene, maybe Because it

00:27:43
does take away a bit of the realism.

00:27:45
Because like yeah like if you're planning the funeral, you

00:27:49
would know.

00:27:50
Amanda: Because I even asked Teresa when we were watching it,

00:27:51
because me and Teresa do not always watch them together it's

00:27:53
actually it's very rare that we do and, uh, because we just have

00:27:58
different processes.

00:27:59
Um, but I did say to her I'm like who like planned this?

00:28:05
Like who's the guy like standing at the back?

00:28:07
Was that like a funeral worker or?

00:28:09
Kip: was it anthony cooper's like butler, like I thought it

00:28:12
was maybe like his like attorney or something.

00:28:13
Yeah, something like that and it's like butler, like I thought

00:28:14
it was maybe like his like attorney or something, yeah,

00:28:15
something like that.

00:28:15
Amanda: And it's like so who's planning this?

00:28:17
Because I also kind of got the impression because the

00:28:21
facilitator or whatever pre I don't know what it was, but

00:28:24
priest I guess, because he threw the water at some point says to

00:28:27
John like John, did you want to say something?

00:28:28
So it does make me feel like John was involved in the

00:28:32
planning.

00:28:32
Kip: Yeah.

00:28:33
Amanda: But then I feel like at some point, if there was real

00:28:35
planning going on, someone would have been like there's no body.

00:28:39
Kip: Exactly.

00:28:41
Amanda: So I'm a little bit confused by that.

00:28:43
Kip: So, whatever, it doesn't really matter other than to just

00:28:45
kind of add to this like idea that, like Helen was very

00:28:49
supportive whatever ended up happening and if they planned it

00:28:53
, then she was even more supportive than we've already

00:28:56
been giving her credit for yeah, exactly, which just makes it

00:28:58
all the more you know horrible to see him lie to her and and

00:29:04
like, for God's sake, when he gets down to propose, it's like

00:29:07
John, now is not the time you idiot.

00:29:10
Theresa: Oh, I know that was the worst time to do that.

00:29:11
You're so stupid.

00:29:12
Don't leave me.

00:29:13
I'm proposing.

00:29:15
Kip: Yeah, no, she is not in the mood.

00:29:16
Theresa: No, this is not romantic, Like so unromantic

00:29:20
yeah.

00:29:21
Kip: How cool was that when we got a little glimpse of Nadia A

00:29:25
little connection, that was cool .

00:29:26
A little connection John's a home inspector also, apparently.

00:29:30
Theresa: He has a lot of odd jobs, yeah, so apparently, he

00:29:32
has a lot of odd jobs.

00:29:32
Kip: Yeah Well, that's one thing about him, like he's a very

00:29:35
random, unsettled man.

00:29:38
Amanda: You know, I don't know if anyone else experiences this

00:29:41
like, and not even just talking to the two of you, but like kind

00:29:46
of out into our listenership as well.

00:29:47
But for those who are rewatching it or have watched it

00:29:49
multiple times, I don't know if you guys experienced this, but

00:29:52
it's almost harder knowing everything.

00:29:55
Remember, you don't remember everything, but knowing so much,

00:29:58
knowing where, like, we're kind of at with things, like while

00:30:01
we're watching, because when you watch it for the first time,

00:30:04
what you don't, you don't know, what you don't know.

00:30:05
And this time it's like we can even say to ourselves like where

00:30:09
is this ad in the nadia saeed journey?

00:30:11
Yeah, and I can't really remember, but I'm like, am I

00:30:13
supposed to remember?

00:30:14
And same with like even Teresa was saying while we're watching

00:30:17
it, she's like at first she was like oh, when did he go from

00:30:21
being a box salesman to this?

00:30:23
I'm like, well, technically he went from this to a box salesman

00:30:26
.

00:30:26
And then her thing was like oh, yeah, he's still in a

00:30:29
wheelchair or he was in a wheelchair.

00:30:31
Then I'm like, yeah, and for me, I remembered that he was

00:30:34
calling the sex line for helen yes um, but either way, it was

00:30:38
like yes, yeah, exactly whoa yeah, because he's still because

00:30:42
he's still very much totally forgot about exactly right so

00:30:47
it's like this weird thing where , like you went to sex worker, I

00:30:49
went to wheelchair yeah, well, I just because I remember that

00:30:52
being so sad and then because you don't know who she is.

00:30:54
Yeah, when you first see that storyline and you just think

00:30:57
he's kind of like this weirdo, that's kind of like I don't know

00:31:00
, like just wants to give her a specific name yeah which you

00:31:04
know, I shouldn't say weirdo, like people have what they have

00:31:06
and they like what they like, but it's actually meaningful to

00:31:08
him, which might make it weirder .

00:31:11
I'm not sure actually, but like it's like, almost it's so much

00:31:15
sadder, right when it's like oh, he's not just like some into

00:31:18
some sort of like weird sex kink , which is like totally fine,

00:31:20
he's like pining after this woman that like completely hung

00:31:23
up on her right.

00:31:24
So but the nadia thing is kind of funny because I'm like how

00:31:28
much do we know about nadia when we see her at this point?

00:31:31
Kip: well, I was trying to think that.

00:31:33
So like we don't really know that much, no.

00:31:37
Because from one of Saeed's flashbacks he was headed.

00:31:40
That's why he was headed to LA, because Nadia was in LA.

00:31:43
We have no idea how long she's been there, we don't know

00:31:47
anything about her really.

00:31:48
It was very random and I think it was just one of those doesn't

00:31:53
necessarily mean anything more than it's just like.

00:31:56
Here's a random connection which they love to throw in

00:32:00
there, cause it also drove people wild trying to create

00:32:04
connections when it was possibly just like a little Easter egg

00:32:08
type thing.

00:32:09
Amanda: Yeah, Like, especially as the mystery builds, people

00:32:12
really hold on to those like well, Nadia knew Locke.

00:32:16
Kip: Yeah.

00:32:16
Amanda: And Shannon's dad is the one who got in the accident

00:32:19
with Jack's wife.

00:32:21
So what does that?

00:32:23
Kip: mean, yeah, it was all these connections, but it

00:32:25
doesn't necessarily mean that they're bigger than just that.

00:32:30
Yeah, but speaking of mystery, well, it's a little early, but

00:32:36
the mural was a huge mystery thing from this episode.

00:32:39
Amanda: Well, let's talk about it, yeah.

00:32:40
Kip: Okay, the mural.

00:32:41
What did you think when you saw the mural?

00:32:45
Theresa: I thought stranger danger.

00:32:46
Who drew that there?

00:32:50
Yeah, who put it there?

00:32:52
Were those black lights always meant to be there?

00:32:54
Did someone ask for black lights to get put in at some

00:32:56
point?

00:32:57
I don't know what's in the middle.

00:33:00
It says I am here, and then there's an arrow and then little

00:33:05
things and they all point to the middle with a big question

00:33:07
mark and I was like, no, no, sir .

00:33:15
Kip: What did you think of that?

00:33:17
Theresa: I don't know I just you didn't.

00:33:19
You didn't have that same freak out.

00:33:22
Amanda: No, but again, I think it's just like everything down

00:33:24
there is weird, Like I don't know that there's anything that

00:33:28
could really happen down there at this point, that I'd be like

00:33:30
that's weird.

00:33:32
I think the weirdest thing that happened down there is that

00:33:34
Henry, that I'd be like that's weird.

00:33:35
I think the weirdest thing that happened down there is that

00:33:36
Henry can climb two steps.

00:33:38
Kip: Yeah, without falling.

00:33:39
Theresa: Without falling.

00:33:40
He's injured mind you.

00:33:42
Kip: Yeah, he does have his arm in a sling.

00:33:43
Theresa: That's true.

00:33:45
Kip: No, the mural was like.

00:33:46
You barely see it.

00:33:48
So, yeah, you only get a couple glimpses.

00:33:50
We do find out how it comes to be there Really.

00:33:56
Yeah, I don't remember anything .

00:34:01
But so, yeah, we do find out how it comes to be there.

00:34:03
But yeah, I remember just it was a huge thing where people

00:34:06
would take screen grabs and it was all over the internet trying

00:34:11
to like figure out what it meant, trying to like analyze it

00:34:13
further.

00:34:14
It was a massive mystery piece of lost for quite some time,

00:34:20
because I don't think we see it again until season, actually it

00:34:29
might be no, I I think season three, oh okay, might even be

00:34:36
this season.

00:34:38
Theresa: Really.

00:34:38
Kip: Actually, I can't remember, I really don't remember, but

00:34:43
yeah, it was cool, though it was a little freaky though, because

00:34:45
the black lights.

00:34:46
Why are there black lights and where did that come from?

00:34:50
Theresa: And then, of course, when the thing goes up, then you

00:34:53
see the other mural that's on the wall.

00:34:54
Oh yeah, that's all just a bunch of random pictures and it

00:34:57
says 108 in the middle and you're like, yeah, who's making

00:35:00
these murals?

00:35:01
Kip: People who are going crazy.

00:35:02
Amanda: I was going to say I, that's all I thought it was was

00:35:05
like whoever was there before like Desmond, but whoever was

00:35:10
there before Desmond?

00:35:11
Like I just thought it was like ramblings of a crazy person.

00:35:16
Kip: Because I mean you got to think Dharma Initiative, a lot

00:35:20
of that stuff.

00:35:20
It looks like it's been there since at least the 50s or 60s or

00:35:23
something like that.

00:35:24
So it's been a lot of people down there pushing that button

00:35:27
and probably going nutty.

00:35:29
Theresa: That's true With their blacklight and their blacklight

00:35:32
paint markers.

00:35:37
Amanda: I mean that is very specific, but yeah, it was.

00:35:39
So let's work our way back though.

00:35:42
What's happening that we even get to this point.

00:35:45
Kip: OK, so I mean John.

00:35:53
Amanda: Jonathan, which it's not short for Jonathanathan.

00:35:55
No, it's not, no, it's just john.

00:35:57
People, particularly around that vintage, I would say their

00:36:01
name is just john, it's not short for anything oh, I thought

00:36:04
it was jonathan, that's.

00:36:05
Kip: I was like jonathan jonathan john lock, um, which is

00:36:10
just john, he, he just is so disappointing, I don't know.

00:36:16
Also, henry Gale was super fricking, annoying that little

00:36:20
duo.

00:36:21
Amanda: I could do without, yeah , and Jack too at times, like

00:36:24
when he was doing the poker which we'll get to great, but at

00:36:29
this point I don't even like blame Henry for like poking at

00:36:33
them because it's so easy.

00:36:34
Oh exactly Like even at the end , like again going all over the

00:36:37
place when oh never mind.

00:36:42
This.

00:36:42
We can never do this again.

00:36:44
I told you.

00:36:45
I told you to turn it off.

00:36:46
In the beginning of next episode, jack's a really big

00:36:49
dick to John.

00:36:51
Yeah, we can't do that ever again.

00:36:52
You're right, teresa was right, I was wrong.

00:36:55
Theresa: Because they blend together.

00:36:57
Amanda: That's why we never do this, that's why this is rare.

00:37:00
Theresa: But anyway, the point is that she settled in after the

00:37:02
episode.

00:37:02
She's like I need to know what happened.

00:37:04
Amanda: Why I really wanted to know how they were going to

00:37:07
treat Henry.

00:37:07
Gale.

00:37:08
Anyway, the point is that Jack is rude to Locke a lot of the

00:37:13
time and in front of other people, which I don't think is

00:37:16
necessary.

00:37:16
Um, so then, even right, he's like why do you let him talk to

00:37:21
you like that?

00:37:22
Kip: yeah and then john's already pissed oh, he just like

00:37:26
he gets his, like he's got such a temper.

00:37:28
Well, yeah, and he was in anger management, but he just lets

00:37:32
his temper get to him, crashing shit around and locking stuff up

00:37:37
and pulling them over and everything, and even like when

00:37:42
the beeping is going on and he's like yelling at Henry Gale,

00:37:45
like shut up, shut up.

00:37:46
Like just ignore him.

00:37:48
Theresa: I mean I will say I was saying the same thing, because

00:37:57
he wouldn't stop speaking.

00:37:58
And I just find henry gale so like his.

00:37:59
Everything about him is so grating, because I just don't

00:38:02
trust him.

00:38:03
Kip: So when he speaks I'm immediately like can we go uh,

00:38:07
spoiler talk for a sec okay, so um is it a spoiler for me, or a

00:38:13
spoiler for everybody else?

00:38:14
No, no, it's just sort of I want to get your opinion on.

00:38:16
So we know it's Ben, so why do you think he was being so crazy

00:38:25
in this episode?

00:38:26
Do you think he was nervous of what they might find at the

00:38:29
balloon?

00:38:30
Or do you think he was just really trying to, like, get John

00:38:33
on his side, like he kind of does manipulate him into being

00:38:37
like you'll protect me, right If I help you, but like why do you

00:38:41
think he was so nutso?

00:38:43
Amanda: I just don't understand why I don't know he would send

00:38:49
them to the balloon.

00:38:50
Like did he just honestly not think they would dig up the

00:38:53
grave?

00:38:54
Theresa: To be honest, I think that's what it is.

00:38:56
Amanda: Yeah, and he's like okay they'll go, they'll see a grave

00:38:59
, they'll see the balloon.

00:39:00
Theresa: They'll see the balloon and it'll like add up to what I

00:39:02
said.

00:39:03
Good enough, and I led them there, so the trust piece is

00:39:05
already in there.

00:39:06
Amanda: So he was like I'll just say that, like again, this is

00:39:11
spoiler alert.

00:39:11
What you like ultimately learn about Ben.

00:39:17
Any sort of misstep that would lead him to where he's at right

00:39:22
now seems unlikely.

00:39:30
Kip: Like, unless this is always where he wanted them to be.

00:39:31
It's funny you say that because there's a lot of a talk about

00:39:37
that, because, kind of, going back to, the producers didn't

00:39:39
quite know what they were going to do with him because

00:39:42
originally he was a three episode character, right.

00:39:44
So it makes sense in that realm where, like he's going to be, I

00:39:49
don't know what their plan was if it was to kill him or

00:39:52
whatever, but he was only sticking around for three

00:39:54
episodes so he could pull this ruse on them.

00:39:56
But then, absolutely, when he becomes Ben, the leader of the

00:40:00
others, who's this ridiculously smart, manipulative person who

00:40:05
would never end up in a situation like that?

00:40:07
Amanda: that kind of falls apart a little bit, like it doesn't

00:40:11
make sense that he would be there but even just like the

00:40:15
little bits we've seen of like him being like, oh, you know, I

00:40:19
can't remember exactly, but when , like he's kind of like played

00:40:21
them kind of off each other like very coyly even that like kind

00:40:25
of coy nature of his like it, just I just feel like there was

00:40:29
something like yeah, I guess that the easy answer is he just

00:40:33
didn't understand the depths of their depravity and like

00:40:36
desperation that they would dig up a grave yeah and that, yeah,

00:40:42
he'd go there, they'd see a balloon, they'd see a grave.

00:40:45
Be like there's the wife, there's a balloon.

00:40:47
All right, henry gale's henry gale, let's go back.

00:40:50
But in general, I'm not sure what his game plan is here.

00:40:55
Kip: Well, it does come out in, I don't think next episode, but

00:41:02
the one after that.

00:41:02
I think it does with why he was there supposedly.

00:41:10
Amanda: I just and leading into next episode too how quickly he

00:41:14
gets when he gets trapped and stuff, how quickly he can like

00:41:18
shift gears like it.

00:41:19
He's a creepy creepy guy like, but yeah, I don't um in terms of

00:41:26
why he was acting crazy in this episode, was he?

00:41:31
Kip: I felt like he was like the , the last we've seen, or mostly

00:41:35
what we've seen him.

00:41:36
He's been very like calm, cool, like sort of in control, even

00:41:42
though he's imprisoned and being beaten up and everything.

00:41:46
But he seems to be sort of like able to manipulate the

00:41:50
situation and this he seems in this episode he seems to be

00:41:53
losing, it being like what's going on?

00:41:55
What's happening, john?

00:41:56
Talk to me, john, what's going on, you know?

00:41:59
And like fill me in, let me out , let me out.

00:42:01
Like it was just kind of felt different than the last few

00:42:04
episodes yeah, I see what you mean.

00:42:06
Amanda: Like it seemed like even if he was in kind of like a

00:42:08
crisis, he'd just be kind of like let's watch the world burn

00:42:11
yeah and not so much, but I wonder if it's just like he has.

00:42:14
No, he's also just like what's happening maybe he doesn't know,

00:42:17
I have no control over this, like you know, stuff like that I

00:42:21
don't.

00:42:22
Or did he see it as a chance to build john's trust?

00:42:27
that's maybe what I'm thinking right and like kind of like you

00:42:29
said, because he knew he like, who knows, there was still some

00:42:32
level of like.

00:42:33
You know, maybe something will go wrong with them finding the

00:42:36
balloon, or maybe they won't find it and they'll think I sent

00:42:38
them on a wild goose chase or whatever.

00:42:40
So yeah, like getting at least john on my side might work and

00:42:43
this is a good opportunity.

00:42:44
I don't know, I think like it has to kind of be all that right

00:42:47
, yeah, and speaking of that, like john, why?

00:42:49
Kip: why would you ever promise to protect him, no matter what?

00:42:54
Like?

00:42:55
Theresa: what an?

00:42:55
Kip: idiot absolutely why would you say that?

00:42:58
Theresa: of all the things for god's sake you know that he

00:43:02
could be lying about who?

00:43:03
Kip: he is exactly.

00:43:03
Theresa: You know that he's been manipulating you guys at every

00:43:06
turn.

00:43:07
So to even entertain?

00:43:09
That is insane to me.

00:43:12
Kip: Yeah, another misstep by Jonathan Locke.

00:43:18
Amanda: Mm-hmm.

00:43:18
But that just again proves how John goes.

00:43:24
He is so tunnel vision and we see that so much of the island

00:43:28
for John in particular, for a lot of them, but particularly

00:43:31
for John, like for john in particular, like for a lot of

00:43:34
them, but particularly for john so much of the like on island

00:43:36
persona he has.

00:43:37
Is this like great answer to all of his missteps or flaws or

00:43:42
mistakes off island?

00:43:43
Right, he's like reinventing himself and he thinks this is

00:43:45
his second chance, but there's still like it kind of goes to

00:43:48
show like without doing the work , you can't really outrun

00:43:50
yourself.

00:43:50
Yeah, because he's still tunnel vision.

00:43:55
It's just now, instead of on anthony cooper.

00:43:57
Yeah, it's this fucking hatch exactly, yeah and like, and I

00:44:01
think that's what it is.

00:44:02
I think, like when anything comes up with it or whatever

00:44:05
this his destiny or his purpose or whatever he sees, he has such

00:44:09
tunnel vision that he like, yeah, he'll just be like, okay,

00:44:13
okay, this is not right, I need help.

00:44:14
And I got to get to the hatch, I got to get this, I have to do

00:44:17
this.

00:44:17
And then he's like okay, yeah, I'll agree to anything.

00:44:19
Kip: Yeah, exactly, yeah Right, just like that's no different.

00:44:22
Amanda: You're no different than the guy who.

00:44:26
Kip: Although, like we said before, it rarely is.

00:44:30
It's the trend, though, I think , with the characters Like their

00:44:36
episodes, it almost shows us the worst in them, and they're

00:44:39
usually better in the non-focused episodes, when

00:44:45
they're just sort of in the B-plot or whatever.

00:44:50
Amanda: Yeah, Speaking of B-plot let's get into it.

00:44:52
That's a good one.

00:44:53
Kip: What did you think about the poker?

00:44:54
Amanda: game.

00:44:54
It was funny.

00:44:55
Yeah, it was, it was fun Light.

00:44:57
Kip: I agree.

00:45:04
Amanda: Except I'm going to be honest with you I loved every

00:45:05
single moment of it, except for where'd you learn how to play

00:45:07
poker?

00:45:07
Phuket Never mention Thailand again, jack.

00:45:10
Never mention Thailand again.

00:45:12
Theresa: Why.

00:45:14
Amanda: Because Never mention Thailand again, Jack Never

00:45:15
mention Thailand again.

00:45:16
Why?

00:45:16
Because it leads to a fireplace .

00:45:17
I wish he had said anything other than Phuket.

00:45:21
Kip: Well, they laid that groundwork there, hey, so is

00:45:24
that where you got them tattoos?

00:45:25
They lay in that groundwork.

00:45:27
Amanda: And anyone who's seen the show knows what we're

00:45:29
talking about, and anyone who hasn't, I'm so sorry in advance

00:45:34
yeah, it's brutal, oh man, it was it was cute.

00:45:39
Kip: It was funny when what like jack kind of looks surprised,

00:45:43
like what you don't think I know where thailand is like, yeah,

00:45:46
why phuket is like a pretty well-known city yeah, I mean,

00:45:51
and that just goes to show, jack does think Sawyer is an idiot.

00:45:53
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:55
Amanda: And Sawyer is not an idiot, although, jack condom or

00:45:59
kind of played him, played him.

00:46:00
Kip: Yeah, he got him good.

00:46:02
Amanda: I do.

00:46:02
I do find it interesting that Jack was so that it's.

00:46:06
It's an interesting scene.

00:46:07
So Hurley and Kate and Jack are , or and Sawyer are playing, and

00:46:12
then Jack hands up.

00:46:13
He's like you had this, he has this, and blah, blah, blah, and

00:46:15
it's like and then they play and he's so good, and he ends up

00:46:18
beating him and all this stuff and like, great he, he went to

00:46:21
Thailand, he learned how to play poker.

00:46:23
Could do you really think Jack?

00:46:29
Kip: yeah, I don't know.

00:46:30
I don't have any reason to believe sawyer is this amazing

00:46:32
poker player?

00:46:33
Amanda: well, but there's a layer of it that is like that,

00:46:36
like con type, right, like the ability to con people is not

00:46:41
that different than their, your ability to kind of like get to

00:46:44
them through like a poker game yeah like I feel like the the

00:46:47
poker face piece of it and the like playing people piece of it.

00:46:51
I just I don't know, like jack's like just too good at

00:46:54
everything, like and maybe it is like sawyer's hubris and

00:46:59
whatever, but I just I don't know.

00:47:02
It was a little bit like I liked it because I just like

00:47:05
when jack gets the best of sawyer anyway.

00:47:07
But I wonder if a part of it was just like that's where it

00:47:10
wasn't like he wasn't at his best because he was like he lets

00:47:16
jack get to him.

00:47:17
I think so.

00:47:17
Kip: I think he wasn't playing his best either, because there

00:47:20
was people watching and jack kind of calls him out on that

00:47:22
too.

00:47:23
He doesn't want to look the fool, and so he's, in his own

00:47:27
mind as well, being like oh great, whatever I got myself

00:47:30
into.

00:47:30
And when he loses initially, and then he becomes obsessed

00:47:34
with wanting to get his fruit pile back that's pretty funny it

00:47:39
was hilarious, huge.

00:47:40
I can't believe you guys liked that line of when I want the

00:47:44
guns it's the way he says it.

00:47:47
I was like oh god I was like no, I didn't like that.

00:47:50
Amanda: I liked it a lot, but I think it's true, right like well

00:47:56
it was so arrogant, it was very arrogant.

00:48:00
Theresa: So that's not lost on me.

00:48:01
Amanda: I'm not like, oh my god, he's so.

00:48:03
No, it's not lost on me that it's arrogant, but like I like

00:48:09
how it comes.

00:48:09
Like this whole thing came out of this the fact that Libby

00:48:13
needed that, that Libby needed neosporin or whatever, and so

00:48:15
he's like I'm not going to let this guy fuck around with the

00:48:18
medicine anymore.

00:48:18
I also think it's really funny because as soon as he said to

00:48:22
him, do you even know what amoxicillin was?

00:48:24
I actually thought in my mind I'm like Sawyer knows what

00:48:27
amoxicillin is.

00:48:29
Sawyer's had amoxicillin prescribed to him a few times in

00:48:32
life soyer's had amoxicillin prescribed to him a few times in

00:48:35
life and then he makes the own joke.

00:48:36
Yeah, I'm glad we made that joke , because that is exactly very

00:48:38
true, that was funny, but wanting the medicine back and

00:48:40
getting it back in that moment makes sense to me, because that

00:48:43
is, I think, more so it is arrogant, but I I think that's

00:48:46
how jack's brain works, so I didn't see it as just arrogant

00:48:49
and just trying to be showy.

00:48:50
I actually do truly think he's like when I need the guns, I'll

00:48:54
find a way to get the guns.

00:48:55
Theresa: Right now, I need the medicine I found a way to get

00:48:57
the medicine one track mind right like.

00:49:00
Amanda: So, yeah, I'm not gonna just go for the like, because it

00:49:03
wasn't so much that he saw poker as like an opportunity to

00:49:07
take advantage of sawyer.

00:49:08
He saw the poker game as an opportunity to get the medicine,

00:49:11
exactly, whereas sawyer thinks like that, right, he thinks he's

00:49:15
found a weakness in someone that he's going to exploit.

00:49:17
Yeah, jack, and this is why jack's great, right, because and

00:49:21
at the end we criticize these characters a lot but jack, I

00:49:23
have a funko pop of jack.

00:49:25
I love jack.

00:49:25
Um, he has.

00:49:28
He isn't like that, like he doesn't think like that.

00:49:31
Sawyer would.

00:49:31
Sawyer and kate to some degree, and even some of the other

00:49:34
characters would be like charlie , etc.

00:49:36
Would be like how do I exploit this for maximum gain?

00:49:38
Yeah, and jack comes into a situation and is like I need

00:49:42
something and this is how I can get it.

00:49:43
I'm gonna do exactly what I need to do to get what I need

00:49:45
just in that moment, just what I need.

00:49:47
Kip: And so when he said, when I .

00:49:48
Amanda: So that's what he did here.

00:49:49
He needed, needed something, he got it, and so I think it has

00:49:53
an arrogant twinge to it.

00:49:53
But I do actually think he just legitimately means I don't need

00:49:57
the guns right now, I need the medicine, and when I need the

00:49:58
guns I'll get the guns.

00:50:01
Kip: Was last week maternity leave.

00:50:04
Amanda: No.

00:50:04
Last week was the whole truth with son's pregnancy.

00:50:11
Kip: I guess it was just to get the idea of the medicine thing

00:50:15
when Claire came up to Jack being like can you look at Aaron

00:50:18
?

00:50:18
Yeah, I was like wait, was that just last week?

00:50:20
No, it wasn't.

00:50:21
Amanda: I think it was to remind us that he's a doctor.

00:50:23
Kip: Yeah.

00:50:24
Amanda: Well, I mean, if we're we're getting kind of towards

00:50:27
the end here, I think we have to talk about the Henry Gale in

00:50:33
the room.

00:50:33
Kip: Yeah.

00:50:35
Amanda: Okay.

00:50:36
Theresa: Or the lack of Henry Gale in the room.

00:50:38
Kip: Yeah, yeah, ooh, that was good.

00:50:41
Amanda: So can you actually pass me the synopsis book for a sec,

00:50:44
unless someone knows off the top of their head?

00:50:47
Theresa: You didn't ask the question.

00:50:49
Amanda: When we first saw Henry Gale.

00:50:51
Theresa: Oh, I have no idea.

00:50:52
It was a while ago so walks into their camp.

00:51:05
Amanda: It was um one of them, episode 14.

00:51:06
So we are four episodes.

00:51:08
It felt longer I was gonna say it felt longer, yeah, way longer

00:51:13
but so we, we, we were four episodes in and we're just

00:51:18
finding out they, they like definitely, uh, stretched that

00:51:25
out yeah, but in a way that kind of made sense, it seemed

00:51:28
plausible, um, and I think they did it.

00:51:32
It wasn't too long, like to the point where, like okay, what's

00:51:34
going on here?

00:51:35
They gave like a little bit here and there.

00:51:37
But I think that now it's like, oh my god, we finally know.

00:51:42
He's not who he says he is.

00:51:43
But then it's like in that same moment of like getting an

00:51:47
answer, it asks like 20 questions exactly right, because

00:51:52
if he's not henry gale, who is he?

00:51:53
Who the hell?

00:51:55
Kip: is he?

00:51:55
Why is he here?

00:51:57
Theresa: right yeah, that was so intense when saeed came in oh,

00:52:02
yep, and they showed that driver's license yeah well,

00:52:06
especially because it just starts so like subtle right

00:52:08
there, like we found the balloon , we found the grave, and then

00:52:13
he's like but I still didn't believe it yeah I was like, oh,

00:52:17
my god, oh.

00:52:17
So I dug up the grave.

00:52:19
I'm like, wait what?

00:52:20
I beg your pardon, like what was?

00:52:24
Kip: that scene with like charlie and, and this scene, so

00:52:27
saeed's like I'm digging this up and they're like uh I know I

00:52:31
can just see charlie being like okay, puts his hood on.

00:52:34
Theresa: Like, here we go, charlie's back on.

00:52:36
Amanda: Lucy is like.

00:52:37
He's like, I can only do this with my hood on one second,

00:52:40
please, exactly.

00:52:42
And anna lucy is like well, I've done worse, I've done

00:52:46
better, I've done worse, um, but yeah.

00:52:51
And right before that we see the most awkward scene between

00:52:56
Kate and Jack, where it's like when he like made a walkie back

00:52:59
to the beach.

00:53:00
Kip: I want to shower.

00:53:02
Amanda: Like, and even that that was such a weird scene Cause

00:53:06
like I was so confused by it.

00:53:07
Like I don't know if they're just bad at acting these like

00:53:10
romance scenes, but like I don't know.

00:53:12
Um, matthew Fox was on party of five.

00:53:15
Like you'd think he kind of had a few like romance-y type

00:53:18
scenes there, but like I wasn't even sure what was going on

00:53:22
between them at that scene.

00:53:23
Like I was like does he?

00:53:24
Is he telling her the plumbing's broken and is just

00:53:27
trying to be like flirty and nice?

00:53:28
Kip: or is it because he doesn't want her there?

00:53:30
No, because she doesn't know about Henry Gale.

00:53:31
So he's trying to keep her out of there.

00:53:34
And then one of my favorite looks that Kate gives is when

00:53:41
she sees this Henry Gale.

00:53:42
She's got this most confused.

00:53:43
Look on her face and it's hilarious.

00:53:45
It's like what the fuck?

00:53:46
Because, yeah, she didn't know she was not in the loop.

00:53:51
Amanda: Yes, dude, there's one of the loops.

00:53:52
Yeah, didn't know she was not in the loop.

00:53:53
Oh yes, dude, there's one of the loops.

00:53:54
Yeah, but okay, that makes more sense, because I was like this

00:53:55
is so awkward.

00:53:56
It seems like he doesn't want her there and then I guess that

00:53:58
makes sense.

00:53:59
Kip: Yeah, so then he's like I'll walk you back.

00:54:02
Amanda: Yeah but then is he only offering to walk her back so

00:54:05
that she won't follow him to the no, I think that was a genuine

00:54:07
like uh, I still like to spend some time with you.

00:54:10
Kip: Okay, I don, I don't know, they're just weird.

00:54:12
And then they come across a huge drop of food, which is

00:54:17
funny that you mentioned that.

00:54:19
You saw the pantry was super empty, but which makes sense

00:54:23
because they kind of had that big buffet thing and then now

00:54:26
they get the food drop.

00:54:27
I didn't even see, I didn't even think of that.

00:54:29
Put that together like that.

00:54:31
Amanda: Yeah, it's about time that they got some food, but so

00:54:34
they get this food drop, which clearly means that the lockdown

00:54:37
thing, happens because the food is on its way.

00:54:41
Kip: Exactly yeah.

00:54:42
Amanda: And they don't want the person to get out and either see

00:54:45
who's dropping off the food or try, to like, convince them to

00:54:48
take them with it.

00:54:48
Kip: I don't know, I don't really know why they need the

00:54:50
lockdown them with it.

00:54:52
Amanda: I don't know, I don't really know why they need the

00:54:53
lockdown.

00:54:53
Yeah, that's obviously the connection there, so that's

00:54:55
interesting.

00:54:55
So now we see that they have this food drop and then it's

00:54:57
well, they're at this food drop that yes, saeed and charlie and

00:55:01
anna lucia.

00:55:01
So in the last like two minutes we're getting like all this,

00:55:04
like lots happening information of like oh okay, what's

00:55:08
happening?

00:55:08
Theresa: yeah, but that henry gale reveal is so good epic epic

00:55:14
and like kind of terrifying when you think about it, because

00:55:16
someone buried him yeah you know what I mean, like, and then

00:55:21
you start to wonder, like, okay , like, did you kill him?

00:55:24
Did you find him dead?

00:55:26
Did you just add just a whole bunch of other questions that

00:55:30
you're just like, that you're left to wonder.

00:55:33
Amanda: What I was mostly wondering when I watched it the

00:55:35
first time, and even a little bit this time.

00:55:37
I'm like how are they going to ever find out what's real with

00:55:40
this guy?

00:55:41
Yeah, like if he was able to, like obviously they were

00:55:45
skeptical et cetera, but like he was able to lie and deceive

00:55:50
with such ease, despite how much they were railing on him,

00:55:54
despite everything, like I remember kind of feeling that

00:55:57
like hopelessness of like they're never gonna be able to

00:55:59
get anywhere with this guy.

00:56:00
Yeah, like I don't know, it's freaky it is freaky.

00:56:04
Kip: He's gonna have to live in that little hole forever so

00:56:07
let's, uh, let's hear how the characters fared this week.

00:56:13
Theresa: Honestly, this episode was very stressful so it was

00:56:16
very hard to give points.

00:56:18
But you guys got a little glimpse I mean you all got a

00:56:21
little glimpse of how that works , which is just my feelings.

00:56:29
So, at number 16, we have Michael with a negative 830.

00:56:32
Then we have Charlie with negative 655.

00:56:36
Then at 14, we have Ana Lucia with negative 55.

00:56:42
Then everybody from now on is in the positives Kate at number

00:56:46
13, with 25.

00:56:47
Desmond at number 12 with 60.

00:56:51
Walt with 240.

00:56:54
Then, our top 10, we have Libby with 390.

00:56:58
Jack with 720.

00:56:59
Then we have Claire and Sawyer, tied for 780, or at 780.

00:57:04
Then we have Jin with 1170.

00:57:06
Then at number five, we have Echo with 1270.

00:57:10
Then we have Locke with 1520.

00:57:14
Our, our top three, we have saeed with 1580, sun with 1630

00:57:18
and then hurley, still at number one, with 1750.

00:57:21
Oh, nice.

00:57:25
Amanda: I can't wait till sun takes a huge dive that's coming

00:57:29
is it?

00:57:29
You know it is, you know it.

00:57:31
I don't know when.

00:57:31
Um me neither.

00:57:33
Kip: I can't wait for michael to take another huge dive the

00:57:38
worst part is like I.

00:57:40
Theresa: Just for anyone who hasn't watched this, I want you

00:57:42
to understand something michael gets so much worse oh god I

00:57:50
don't even I know that it's coming soon I don't even

00:57:54
remember so much worse oh my god , like he's gonna be like to a,

00:57:58
like, a level that you're like oh, this might actually finally

00:58:02
be worthy of the hate exactly, exactly, but that's really he's

00:58:07
starting like he's going to take a dive, like from nothing to

00:58:11
more nothing, yeah.

00:58:11
Kip: But what's interesting is he's actually slowly built

00:58:15
himself up.

00:58:16
Amanda: Yeah.

00:58:16
Kip: Like he was negative 1300 for 1500, maybe even for quite

00:58:21
some time.

00:58:21
Yeah, he's in the eight hundreds now.

00:58:23
Amanda: Yeah, I can't wait till that takes a huge dive and

00:58:27
that's sooner rather than later.

00:58:28
Kip: Yeah, oh yeah, that's coming up, is it actually?

00:58:31
Um?

00:58:34
Theresa: I won't spoil it for you there, teresa, but I won't

00:58:35
look at this.

00:58:35
I was gonna look at the synopses to figure out I'm not

00:58:37
gonna do that um.

00:58:38
Amanda: So we know what teresa's character rankings are overall

00:58:41
okay.

00:58:42
So what are what's the mvp, lvp of kip's world, this episode?

00:58:46
Kip: so for me, my mvp was jack um and my lvp was Henry Gale he

00:58:52
just really annoyed me.

00:58:53
Theresa: He was very annoying.

00:58:55
Kip: And I love Henry Gale slash the real Henry Gale in the

00:59:02
thing of the show.

00:59:03
But this episode, oh, he just drove me crazy.

00:59:05
Amanda: Henry Gale reminded me so much of a coworker today that

00:59:07
I just can't.

00:59:09
Kip: Oh, do all your coworkers listen to this.

00:59:11
After I literally said, said man he just annoyed that oh no,

00:59:15
but like yeah agreed that's what I mean.

00:59:17
Your co-workers are gonna be like.

00:59:20
Theresa: Which one is it?

00:59:21
I think?

00:59:21
Amanda: like two of my co-workers, listen to this.

00:59:24
But you know, like that moment where, like someone will say or

00:59:27
do something in a way that's like so spot on to someone in

00:59:29
your life that you're like no alrighty, okay, so we've had our

00:59:37
MVPs, we've had our.

00:59:39
Kip: Oh no, we didn't get your MVP LVP no, I don't do it, you

00:59:41
do that.

00:59:41
I know, but I sometimes like to .

00:59:44
I kind of want to know yours my MVP was probably Helen.

00:59:51
Amanda: She's not a real character, but she kind of is

00:59:53
that.

00:59:54
But that's my my.

00:59:55
My honorary mvp would be helen.

00:59:57
Um, but nice, I think I would say jack is also my mvp, and

01:00:04
then my lvp for this one was actually lock nice, yeah,

01:00:10
lockdown, I went between lock and henry.

01:00:12
Yeah, it was not a good, and when you think about well,

01:00:15
anyway, how about I just give my ranking for the episode okay,

01:00:17
and then I can explain what I was just gonna say yeah, do it I

01:00:20
also think this is worth a nine .

01:00:21
I usually find myself to be pretty on par with imdb.

01:00:24
Uh, it's a great episode, but lock and henry gale are very

01:00:29
annoying in it and what happens in the hatch is very silly.

01:00:37
Like it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

01:00:40
Like that tunnel vision of locks just it's a getting in the

01:00:44
way again.

01:00:45
Like this obsession to push this button.

01:00:48
He's like almost destroyed his legs again.

01:00:49
He's trusting a person he shouldn't be trusting.

01:00:50
He's whatever.

01:00:50
So it's very silly, but all the other stuff was cool.

01:00:51
To push this button, he's like almost destroyed his legs again.

01:00:52
He is trusting a person he shouldn't be trusting.

01:00:54
He's whatever.

01:00:55
So it's very silly, but all the other stuff was cool.

01:00:58
I actually like the flashbacks.

01:00:59
I thought it was sad but interesting and that reveal at

01:01:03
the end is like the 8.9 of the nine comes from the last four

01:01:08
minutes of that episode.

01:01:10
Kip: Teresa.

01:01:12
Theresa: I also give it a nine.

01:01:13
It's a really good episode, super stressful, super.

01:01:17
It kind of left you on edge for a while.

01:01:21
There Bless you.

01:01:24
Similar feelings where it was a little like Henry Gale was very

01:01:30
annoying and I found myself thinking walk down like a lot,

01:01:36
you know, you know, you know when you're kind of like ah boo,

01:01:39
except I would be like lockdown , one point, lockdown.

01:01:45
Kip: I don't know what you're talking about.

01:01:47
Okay, just cut it out, because no never.

01:01:50
Amanda: It's terrible.

01:01:51
Theresa: What do you mean when?

01:01:52
You're like like food, but you're like yeah but for him,

01:01:56
because the episode is locked down so are you talking like as

01:02:00
if, like he's a dog, like down like here we go again, yeah,

01:02:03
like down enough and then he was physically down, are you?

01:02:08
Amanda: drunk.

01:02:09
I'm so tired.

01:02:09
Level with me.

01:02:10
Have you been drinking?

01:02:10
No, I so tired.

01:02:11
Level with me.

01:02:12
Have you been drinking?

01:02:13
No, I'm tired.

01:02:15
Kip: Oh man.

01:02:16
Theresa: Anyway, just skip that all out, I don't think we can

01:02:19
All to say.

01:02:19
I give it a nine.

01:02:21
I like that it was called Lockdown.

01:02:23
I was like Lockdown.

01:02:25
I was like.

01:02:25
I thought it was called Boo.

01:02:27
We're going to cut all of that out because it was terrible.

01:02:32
Amanda: So nine out of ten of that out because it was terrible

01:02:33
.

01:02:33
So nine, it's a nine, great it was a good episode.

01:02:35
Theresa: Kept me on edge, made me uncomfortable.

01:02:37
The end reveal was really good the end uh, I'm gonna give it a.

01:02:46
Kip: I think I'm gonna have to give it a, like an 8.5.

01:02:50
Uh, it was a good episode and I think like the reveal at the

01:02:58
end was like the best.

01:02:59
I agree, amanda, I think the last like five minutes were the

01:03:02
best part of the episode.

01:03:03
But yeah, the flashbacks were really good, the on island stuff

01:03:06
was good, the b plot was good, but I think 8.5, just because I

01:03:11
I was sort of like frustrated a lot of it.

01:03:14
But there we have it.

01:03:17
Theresa: There we have it, there we have it.

01:03:18
Kip: There, we have it there we have it Lock down.

01:03:21
Theresa: No, lock down.

01:03:24
Amanda: We're taking that out.

01:03:26
Theresa: Just put it on the Patreon, just take it out of the

01:03:27
episode.

01:03:28
Amanda: How will we know?

01:03:29
I wanted to say boo, I was thinking lockdown, lockdown.

01:03:33
Boo, boo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, lockdown.

01:03:36
Kip: I was so tired and I was like lockdown, Lockdown.

01:03:39
Amanda: Lockdown.

01:03:40
Anyway, Trace is holding her rock now in comfort.

01:03:46
Yeah, you're just so mean to me .

01:03:48
I'm tired.

01:03:49
She needs a strong coffee.

01:03:51
I don't drink coffee.

01:03:52
she needs a strong coffee, strong coffee anyway, thanks

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01:04:54
Amanda: So we are so grateful that you've all been with us

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