Let's Get Lost 37 - Season 2: One Of Them | Let's Get Lost

Strap in for a wild journey as we unravel the layers of Sayid's past in the gripping episode "One of Them," where we witness a new enigma emerge on the island. Our conversation takes you through Sayid's Gulf War flashbacks to Michael Emerson's unforgettable debut, providing a fresh take on the show's intricate narratives and the group dynamics that keep us all hooked.

Do you think you could survive on a deserted island? Laugh along with us as we poke fun at our own survival skills, or lack thereof, and marvel at the resourcefulness displayed by the characters of "Lost." We'll also indulge in a whimsical detour into nutrition trivia before revisiting the show's signature flashback technique, which reveals the emotional layers and moral complexities faced by characters like Sayid and the enigmatic Henry Gale.

For our closing act, get ready for a robust discussion about character rankings and the emotional authenticity that "Lost" is known for. Our Patreon supporters get a special shoutout for their unwavering support, and remember, there's a treasure trove of exclusive content waiting for you on our Patreon page. Join us as we continue to dissect every twist and turn, keeping the adventure alive until the next episode of Let's Get Lost.

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Theresa: Actually, Kip, can you go first?

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Kip: Damn it.

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Theresa: We're three best friends and we love Lost and we

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love talking, but even more so we love talking about Lost.

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So join us for some laughs, good conversation and let's get

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lost together.

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Amanda: Hello everybody and welcome to this week's episode

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of let's Get Lost.

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I'm one of your co-hosts, Amanda.

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I'm joined as usual with my very dear besties, mr Kip, to my

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left.

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Kip: Hello.

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Amanda: And Miss Teresa to my right.

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Hello, well, we finally come to the episode that we've all been

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waiting for.

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Kip: I for one forgot it was this soon.

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Theresa: Me too.

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I also forgot it was this soon, but I also have not been

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waiting for it.

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Kip: Oh, this is like one of the preeminent Hundred percent.

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Theresa: Episodes of Lost.

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I completely like.

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I knew it was coming eventually , but I didn't realize it was

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this soon.

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Kip: No, because it's the 14th episode.

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Amanda: Yeah, that just doesn't make sense.

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I thought it was much later.

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Theresa: I know.

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Amanda: Yeah, like anyway, it's crazy, but this is the first

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kind of real and we're going to get into it.

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We'll do this on the first, but I just want to say it's like

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the first time you're really like unsure what's going on.

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Kip: Yeah, exactly.

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Amanda: Like you're kind of in real time trying to figure out

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the way that they are and I.

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This is such good storytelling.

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Kip: Oh, it's so good.

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Let's hear the synopsis that they provide.

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Theresa: This episode is called One of them, and it's written by

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Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuth and directed by Stephen

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Williams.

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In a flashback, said is taken prisoner in the gulf war.

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Since he speaks english, he is enlisted to translate the

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interrogations of his fellow soldiers.

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Eventually, saeed is compelled to take drastic actions to

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obtain information for his captors.

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Back on the island, russo appears with a gift for the

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survivors that may lead saeed back to the dark side of his

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nature that's a good syn synopsis.

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Kip: Yeah, a good synopsis.

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I like the touch of the flashbacks and the on-island

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stuff doesn't give too much away in an episode where a lot could

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be given away.

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Amanda: And when they often do give a lot away.

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No, that's a really good synopsis.

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It really touches on everything .

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The other thing that I kind of well, you know what?

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Okay, I'll get to it in my high level moment.

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Okay, that's coming up I have a high level thought about the

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show in my rewatch and these observations I'm making.

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Kip: Okay, so before you get to high level, I'm going to do the

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facts.

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Trivia bonanza, all right.

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Imdb 8.5 out of 10.

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Theresa: Okay.

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Kip: Viewers 18.2 million.

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That's down 540 from the previous week.

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Amanda: Well, charlie and Sawyer are not making it easy for us.

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Kip: No, they really screwed up.

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Being of Sawyer.

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We have a nickname count of three.

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All terrible against Hurley.

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Amanda: I know One was what.

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Kip: Babar.

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Amanda: But he called him.

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Kip: Barbar, barbar, barbar, and he's like it's.

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Amanda: Babar, but he called it Barbar, barbar, barbar, and he's

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like it's Babar, let's get it right.

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And then, in response to that, he called him something else.

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Kip: Ammo and then Rerun which I had to look up.

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Rerun was apparently a character from a little TV show

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and again a very large character .

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Oh, for goodness sake.

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So like they're all just very mean and I like that Hurley like

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stood up to him, but we'll talk about that in a little bit.

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Yeah, alright, day 58 on the island.

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So getting up there, we've been having a lot of these one day

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episodes yeah like one day no nights been kind of cool trivia.

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Amanda: I'm so excited to finally be able to whip out the

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sound yeah or will I whip it out ?

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Well, we'll see who's going to whip it up.

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Kip: Okay, I have three questions.

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Question number one which beach survivor's father is the US

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Army soldier who captures Saeed?

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Theresa: My name is Abigail.

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Amanda: I should get to do this one, because you know you didn't

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even notice this until I pointed it out.

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Theresa: Yeah, that's fine.

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Amanda: Kate's dadate's dad.

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That's right, and that's actually a picture of a young

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teenage evangeline, illy very that he's looking at very cute.

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Kip: Theresa did not pick that up at first no I did not, and we

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we've seen him before, right.

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Amanda: Yes, he's been in she goes to him to be fair I didn't

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notice it until the photo.

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Kip: Oh really, she does go to him in that episode, when I

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didn't notice it until the photo .

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Amanda: Oh really, but she does go to him in that episode when

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she's running away.

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Kip: I noticed there's another character that appears later on.

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Lost in these flashbacks.

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Okay, I thought so, that's not a trivia question, because I

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don't know, because we haven't technically seen that yet.

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Theresa: Yeah, but I thought so Because someone looked familiar

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and I was like is it?

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From this or from something else.

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Kip: Interesting.

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We'll get to that some later because we're probably going to

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have a little bit of spoiler talk.

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We're going to have to bleep out and put up on Patreon for

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this one.

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We'll get into that, Okay.

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Question number two this marks the first appearance of actor

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Michael Emerson for his role on Lost.

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How many episodes was he initially signed on to appear in

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?

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Amanda: I'm from Minnesota, I don't know, four I'm guessing.

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Theresa: No, Close.

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My name is Saeed Jirah and I am a torturer.

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Kip: Oh, five, incorrect Three.

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Oh wow, he was only signed on to appear in three this one and

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then two more this season, and then they picked him up for two

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more next season, and then, when next season started filming,

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they just put him on as a regular that's crazy, yeah, yeah

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yeah, all right.

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Last question what show did michael emerson win win an Emmy

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for before appearing on Lost?

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Amanda: Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, uh-huh the Practice.

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Kip: That's right.

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For what kind of character?

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Amanda: He was like a sociopath, like he was like.

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So the Practice for those who don't know is okay.

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Theresa: two things about the Practice Great show from the 97

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to 2003 is when it aired it was just like a tv encyclopedia

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loved this show, you guys it is a show about a defense lawyer

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practice, and that is rare and it was so good.

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Amanda: Anyway.

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He plays like a sociopathic, like he's a client of theirs at

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one point, but then he becomes obsessed with one of the lawyers

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and then like, ends up like kidnapping her and stuff, like

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he's a client of theirs at one point, but then he becomes

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obsessed with one of the lawyers and then like ends up like

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kidnapping her and stuff like he , but he's like evil oh, that's

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and he's so good.

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Kip: He's so good in it I had for playing a serial killer.

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Amanda: That's much more in depth, yeah I think after lost

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podcast, we need another one.

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Kip: We should break out the practice oh, I've never watched

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that show growing up.

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Amanda: Good, it's why we wanted to become a lawyer.

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Kip: Oh for sure, yeah I often get it confused with boston

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legal same um same.

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Amanda: It's david e kelly.

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Oh, you know it's david e kelly because in the last season he

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fired all the cast and like re-brought in that's like david.

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Kip: Why does he do that?

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Amanda: I have no idea, but he's done it on like lots of things.

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Kip: Thank God he didn't make Lost.

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Amanda: But Boston Legal and the Practice are set in the same

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universe.

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Kip: Oh.

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Amanda: So they had some crossover.

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Kip: Cool.

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Amanda: Anyway, back to the show we're actually supposed to be

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talking about on this podcast.

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Kip: All right.

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Amanda: So that two for amanda, oh, two for amanda and zero for

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trees.

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I'm okay with this.

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Okay, I would like my.

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My name is henry gale.

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I'm from minnesota.

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Theresa: It's so good that's a good one.

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Amanda: I love it oh man man, michael edmerson is such a good

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actor so good.

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Kip: I can't believe that he wasn't really in much before the

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practice.

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Amanda: The practice I remember when seeing him on Lost,

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remembering him from the practice he's so good at it.

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Kip: And yeah, well, all right.

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Amanda: All right.

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So my high level thing for today.

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Kip: Yeah.

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Amanda: Well, I had.

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I had two.

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One is very petty and shallow though, and it was to say that

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in rewatching it I didn't remember how hot Saeed was, but

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that you to say that in re-watching it I didn't remember

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how hot saeed was, but that you know.

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That's just like a bonus one.

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My actual one is what is really fun about re-watching it is

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that you will remember sometimes these big things.

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Like you remember when henry gale comes right.

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Do you remember this moment?

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don't necessarily remember where it was, but what I really never

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remember is what flashbacks oh, yeah, yeah so it's so fun

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because I I remember the flashback about saeed being a

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torture and how that came to be, and I obviously remember henry

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gale.

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But remembering that they're seeing oh, they're together is

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another way.

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Kip: Re-watching this is super fun that's a good point, because

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I really don't remember the flashbacks.

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I remember like I remember them , but you're right, I don't

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correlate them with what is on island, often exactly so it's

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like oh, that's very interesting and then again seeing like kind

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of connecting why they're that way is really interesting when

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you you have an idea of where the story is going.

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Amanda: It's like almost more fun than it is to just yeah, see

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them for the first time well, thank you for your high level in

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high level take.

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Kip: I love a, a hot take yeah.

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Amanda: What do you call in this , Amanda?

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What's your, what's your thing?

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Give me a couple more weeks Okay.

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But it is just that idea of like, kind of what, what am I?

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Kip: What's your?

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Amanda: takeaway from rewatching it.

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Kip: A rewatch takeaway.

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Amanda: Cause, apparently, teresa's takeaway is that she

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doesn't remember any of it.

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Theresa: So hey, speaking of which, I think it's time for

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Teresa's stream of consciousness Also.

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Ok, so just so.

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Everyone knows, this stream is kind of Everywhere, because I

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was just so In shock a lot of the time by what was happening.

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So there's parts of this that are not going to make sense.

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Just a little disclaimer, all right.

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So one of us who chaos.

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I have no idea what's going on.

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Have you ever seen saeed without a shirt on?

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Boy's got some guns.

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Oh, hey, anna, you know she looks real pissed off.

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That um.

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He told her what to do.

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How the heck did he manage to cut russo off?

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That's slick.

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You haven't seen danielle in a long time.

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I'm glad he's not letting her off so easily.

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He very clearly is saying more than he doesn't know,

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considering it sounds different each time.

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Someone's a liar.

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Oh, did we find some squash?

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Is that what we're eating today ?

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Oh, sawyer, that shirt, leave it open, baby.

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Um, I'm not sure why Sawyer would think that anyone would

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want to stay friends with him, but it seems like no one else

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hears that annoying noise but him.

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That is a big pile of dressing.

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I wonder what he was dipping in it.

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Sawyer?

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No, you can't go on the same way, my friend, no more.

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No more, considering what's happened, nah Sorry.

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Did Ruthuse herself a crossbow?

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Also, why would say trust this stranger and not her?

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Why did henry run when saeed helped him out?

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That seems weird.

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Um, also, that's a clean shot through and through.

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I love that she says if I wanted to kill him I would have,

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or whatever that.

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But also did she build this crossbow herself and it works

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perfectly fine.

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I don't know what sarin gas is.

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Does anybody else know?

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Oh man, it must be nice to get a shift in the hatch and get to

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sleep in that bed.

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Sleep all cozy and nice.

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Can you cross the Pacific in a balloon?

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How does does this work?

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Where do you get all the gas from?

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Is this possible?

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The way saeed says, do not untie him, yowza would not touch

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anything.

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Good job, hurley.

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You stand up for yourself.

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At least people like me.

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Ouch, I like this duo of saeed and john.

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Saeed is so menacing like this and, of course, jack is mad.

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This, this whole thing is terrifying.

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This episode is scary.

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I mean, lock isn't wrong, but I'm also very unsettled.

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Saeed is very scary in this episode.

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I can't even think straight.

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And then there's these two being weird.

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No way he caught a frog in his hand just willy nilly.

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Um, okay, sawyer, that's really messed up and kind of cruel.

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This episode is so tense.

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I'm so uncomfortable.

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Something feels so off.

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Oh my god, saeed, I'm so heartbroken for him.

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This is probably the only time I feel like he actually loved

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her and that I actually believe their relationship.

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This guy makes me uncomfortable .

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Oh my god.

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Oh my god, my god, I'm so uncomfortable.

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Jack, why are you defending a stranger, considering you want

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to start a war against others?

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I don't understand what makes this guy so important to you.

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Like, I'm sorry, this whole episode feels totally off.

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I'm so confused.

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What the fuck?

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Hieroglyphs where are the numbers?

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Where did those go?

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Chris is not a cracker.

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This whole thing is messed up.

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This whole episode is messed up .

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Hey, jack, how do you know?

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He's not one of them.

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Fyi, what it's papa?

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Oh shit, is this how he became a torturer?

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I didn't know.

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Charlie still had friends.

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God seriously say it's.

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Girls are gorgeous.

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You know what?

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I have nothing left to say oh yeah before we get started on

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that.

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Amanda: I did look it up.

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Uh, what it is is?

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It is an extremely toxic substance.

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Using chemical warfare is generally odorless and tasteless

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.

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Exposure to sarin gas can cause death in minutes.

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A fraction of an ounce on the skin can be fatal.

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Kip: Jesus, apparently tear and gas was not used in the original

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Gulf War, but in the 80s, mid, early mid-80s it was used on

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Iraqi people.

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Amanda: That's awful.

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Yeah, isn't that just so sick.

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So disgusting.

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Kip: Yeah, so I also looked something up.

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Crossing an ocean in a hot air balloon is theoretically

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possible, but presents significant challenges and risks

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, and it gives a lot of them.

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Amanda: thank you because I was literally wondering, like where

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do they start?

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Where were they headed?

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Kip: it also uses it also uses the atlantic as the example,

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which is 3 000 miles wide at its narrowest part, and they were

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trying to cross the pacific yeah , the whole thing just seemed

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half baked like yeah, that's crazy not at all baked just raw

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not even begun to be baked.

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I'm pre, not even proofed.

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Yeah, just nothing.

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Amanda: Oven's still cold um, yeah, that that's, that's, but I

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don't know, I don't even know so I also loved the crossbow.

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Kip: I thought that was so.

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She just whips out a bamboo.

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Theresa: What do you call that thing?

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Arrow, no quiver, quiver quiver .

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She whips out a bamboo quiver and I'm like no bitch she did

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not just.

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Kip: I just love how she has like caches all over the island

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of just secret weapons.

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Theresa: She just whips it out and that arrow, when it went

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straight through, like, oh my mercy god, I would have killed.

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If I wanted to kill him, I would have, with that makeshift

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crossbow tied together with strings, probably vines.

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Can I just?

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Yeah, oodos standing ovation she's really cool, honorary I'm

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spoiler alert.

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Kip: Honorary ranking goes to her for that moment alone it was

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great having her back, but I actually did forget that we

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hadn't really seen her since she took charlie, or not charlie?

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Amanda: claren aaron, aaron but like it's also weird because

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she's barely in it.

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She's in it for like five seconds, we're just.

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She comes and goes as she pleases.

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Kip: Yeah, that just seems so on brand for her.

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No, I love it In and out like the wind.

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Amanda: Yeah, she's really, she's really cool.

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Kip: Yeah, she's so cool, danielle.

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Theresa: If I was stuck on an island like that, I would have

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died like a weekend.

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Kip: I don't think I would have even lasted a week.

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Theresa: Well, I mean remember she had people with her for a

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while.

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Kip: Oh yeah, that's true.

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Theresa: So I probably wouldn't have made it to her level.

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Kip: Definitely not.

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But if I did make it For myself ?

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Theresa: I was like whoa I have a little bit of survival skills

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and I have some lard on me to keep me warm at night.

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Kip: What are your survival skills?

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Theresa: A fantastic question good follow up question.

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Kid, I can identify some plants I can eat.

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Okay, I do have survival skills Amanda has when we go camping.

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It's not like I'm completely useless, that's true.

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Amanda: I can start a fire probably with matches and a

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lighter we're supposed to learn how to do it without, but also

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with a battery and some steel wool actually I've heard steel

00:16:31
wool is a very good fire starter it is.

00:16:32
Theresa: You just need some magnesium.

00:16:34
Kip: Remember, not for steel wool oh, you're thinking

00:16:39
manganese, when amanda's like I don't think we need any fucking

00:16:43
manganese in our bodies.

00:16:44
We looked up it's like an essential nutrient no, I've

00:16:48
never heard of this before.

00:16:49
Amanda: I still maintain manganese is not important to

00:16:52
human growth and development manganese oh my god, have you

00:16:58
seen?

00:16:59
Is manganese one of the things they look for on your blood

00:17:01
panel?

00:17:03
Kip: I'm sure they could.

00:17:03
Theresa: Do you know the answer to your own problem?

00:17:05
I don't have my blood panel memorized Me neither.

00:17:08
Amanda: Well, it's calcium mostly that they're looking for,

00:17:11
and some potassium and B12.

00:17:16
Theresa: There's definitely more than that, and D and K and E

00:17:19
and C 50 ticks or boxes.

00:17:21
They could tick.

00:17:22
There's like four columns.

00:17:24
Amanda: I would like any doctor who listens to us to tell me the

00:17:26
importance of a manganese blood panel please let us know if

00:17:30
manganese is important okay, we're, we're gonna contact our

00:17:33
doctor friend and see what he says.

00:17:35
Okay uh, anyway.

00:17:37
Um, you know who probably doesn't have any of the

00:17:39
essential nutrients in their bodies anymore.

00:17:41
Any of these people?

00:17:43
Kip: yeah, well, whatever you get in and mango squash where

00:17:47
was this squash?

00:17:48
They were they were.

00:17:49
Theresa: They were roasting it over the fire I think it was a

00:17:51
delicata they were I.

00:17:53
Amanda: I actually it looks more like an acorn squash, not a,

00:17:56
not a.

00:17:56
Theresa: It looks really fun, though it's more like an acorn

00:17:59
um.

00:17:59
Amanda: So danielle is cool yeah , she's awesome the coolest

00:18:04
badass.

00:18:04
So refresh my memory, we started with the flashback,

00:18:04
right, because you were like so Daniela's cool.

00:18:04
Kip: Yeah, she's awesome, the coolest Badass.

00:18:05
So, refresh my memory, we started with the flashback,

00:18:08
right, because you were like chaos, chaos.

00:18:10
Amanda: Yeah, which is not common?

00:18:11
No, it's not.

00:18:12
I think the last one was with Jax.

00:18:14
Kip: And I thought they did pretty good CGI for creating

00:18:18
Iraq.

00:18:18
They did On like a blue screen or whatever they used, they did.

00:18:20
I have never seen iraq, but, yes, I also have never seen it

00:18:26
in person either, but you can see it didn't look.

00:18:27
Didn't look like a video game, no, just around the head you

00:18:30
could see, just like, where the screen was behind.

00:18:33
Theresa: Oh yeah, and I was like you know what.

00:18:35
This isn't as bad as the bear no, I thought they did a good

00:18:37
job.

00:18:38
Kip: I thought so too.

00:18:39
It was good.

00:18:40
And yeah, see saeed from like the original gulf war so 1991 is

00:18:43
so a long time ago His early flashback.

00:18:47
What do you guys think of that flashback?

00:18:50
Start to the episode.

00:18:54
Theresa: Chaotic.

00:18:57
Amanda: I think it shows a good like, it gives a good basis of

00:19:02
what Saeed has been through and experienced and I think

00:19:06
sometimes it's good for us to remember that like and to see

00:19:09
where he started versus where he is and how calm and everything

00:19:12
he's become, cause he had quite the quite the experiences for

00:19:16
sure before everything happened.

00:19:18
Kip: It was interesting to see him like be fairly quick to, and

00:19:29
I think it was just survival but just start helping the

00:19:30
americans.

00:19:31
Like, and I think, yeah, he was just trying to survive, but he

00:19:33
was very quick to say like, yeah , I can help you.

00:19:35
Even before, like he saw the video, like even the initial

00:19:39
scene, yeah, I'll ask your questions, or whatever I'm not

00:19:42
gonna like fight too hard, but I'll ask your questions and see

00:19:45
what he says, Whereas like the other guy and then in the in the

00:19:48
scene where they're asking the evidence, like at the beginning

00:19:51
there, he genuinely doesn't want , like the other soldiers, to

00:19:55
get hurt, so he like tells them to stop fretting and burning

00:19:59
stuff.

00:19:59
Like he shows, like he is a good hearted person, I think.

00:20:04
Amanda: Well, and I think he was , you know, like I don't want to

00:20:09
say the wrong thing, but I do think that, like he was involved

00:20:12
in the conflict war for reasons like that, he believed, yeah,

00:20:19
this was like the right thing to do, yeah, and yeah, like, and

00:20:22
like, out of that genuine caring for the people around him,

00:20:25
because and wanting people to just be okay, because that's

00:20:28
shown through, like almost every time he interacted with anyone,

00:20:33
like he just kind of wanted the best outcome, it seemed for

00:20:36
like people to be the safest yeah, like just not to get hurt,

00:20:39
which is an interesting like from who we're presented with

00:20:45
often as Saeed, as this torturer , basically Someone who's

00:20:48
capable of really bad things, but yeah, it was good.

00:20:52
Kip: I like that we got to see little Kate's dad there

00:20:54
flashback.

00:20:55
Yeah it was weird.

00:20:55
Interesting moment.

00:20:56
One other weird connection, and I don't know how the connection

00:21:02
is, but when we saw Kate's dad in the previous episode on the

00:21:06
TV I remember this wasn't one of the trivia questions you saw

00:21:11
Saeed on TV in his army recruiting office.

00:21:15
I'm so curious when that would have been and why.

00:21:24
Amanda: When that would have been.

00:21:25
And why Well it would have been is how long is Kate on the run

00:21:31
when she is arrested in Australia?

00:21:34
Oh.

00:21:35
Like two, three, four years, like it's not.

00:21:45
Kip: So then that would have been about four years, maybe

00:21:46
most, before they're on the island.

00:21:47
Yeah, and I'm trying to think like what saeed would have been

00:21:49
doing to be caught on camera.

00:21:50
Does it look like they were physically filming him?

00:21:53
I gotta look that up after because now I'm curious they

00:21:56
keep connecting saeed and this army guy.

00:21:59
Amanda: Gotta be a reason um, do we want to go through all the

00:22:03
flashback right now?

00:22:03
or yeah sure, we'll do flashback stuff I think what's

00:22:06
interesting as well from the flashback is we do kind of see

00:22:12
in kind of one episode how he becomes, like you kind of said

00:22:16
earlier, kip, going from being this you know person who clearly

00:22:22
cares really a lot about doing the right thing and all this

00:22:25
stuff to and not wanting people to get hurt and stuff like that,

00:22:29
to this torture.

00:22:32
And I think that he kind of sums it up the other army guy that

00:22:36
isn't Kate's dad by saying, like you know, you've learned a

00:22:39
skill that like and he's like I'm never gonna do this, and

00:22:42
he's like there's gonna be a time where you need something

00:22:44
and this is how you're going to get it, and I think that kind of

00:22:48
probably sums it up a lot for him.

00:22:49
I think we're going to see more how it went so much from that

00:22:54
to this, but I think the idea is essentially that is like Saeed

00:22:58
learned a skill that gets him information that he needs to

00:23:03
have sometimes, and I think that's how he sees it yeah, it's

00:23:06
a skill it's, it's, it's just part of and you kind of see lock

00:23:10
kind of mention that too when he's talking to jack.

00:23:15
We won't go too much into the odd island stuff.

00:23:17
But lock also says to him essentially like you want to

00:23:20
build an army and go to war?

00:23:23
Well, this is part of that, right, and so I think it's that

00:23:26
idea like I still think saeed is at his core now, someone who

00:23:32
does not want to hurt people and who doesn't want to see people

00:23:38
hurt or upset or, and who wants to do the right thing.

00:23:41
It's just that he sees what he does and I'm not I'm not

00:23:45
agreeing with it, I completely disagree with this, but I think

00:23:49
he sees it as like that's still what he's doing, but this is

00:23:53
just a tool and how to get the information he needs to make

00:23:56
sure that he protects everyone and everyone's okay yeah I mean,

00:24:00
I still think he's a good person at the core of it, but I

00:24:04
do think he gets obviously, you know, easily caught up in stuff.

00:24:10
Kip: He must because he says over and over again he never

00:24:12
wants to do this again or I'll never do that again, like not

00:24:14
just in the flashback, but he's said it on the show a few times

00:24:17
like in different episodes.

00:24:18
He doesn't like doing it.

00:24:19
There wasn't much in the flashbacks other than really

00:24:24
like this is kind of how saeed became torture.

00:24:27
All right, so let's go into on island, okay, all right.

00:24:31
So we talked a little bit about russo.

00:24:34
Coming back is amazing.

00:24:36
Um catches this guy, like we.

00:24:41
We briefly talked about how yeah, we kind of forgot that

00:24:43
this happened so soon and even watching watching it like even

00:24:46
when Saeed and Russo were on their way I was like where are

00:24:48
they going?

00:24:49
What's he showing her?

00:24:50
Like I still couldn't quite remember that this is when Henry

00:24:53
Gale comes.

00:24:54
Amanda: And like so random that Anna Lucia is the person who,

00:24:59
like, brings him to find Russo.

00:25:04
Kip: Yeah, I feel like that must have been some sort of like

00:25:07
contractual thing.

00:25:08
She had to be in this many episodes.

00:25:09
We need her in for a portion Because Kate wasn't in this

00:25:12
episode.

00:25:12
Amanda: She was not.

00:25:13
Neither was Sun and Claire.

00:25:15
But Claire not being in one isn't that weird, I do find it

00:25:22
not believable that Anna Lucia wouldn't tell anyone Sayid's

00:25:27
like.

00:25:27
Don't tell anyone this.

00:25:28
I feel like she would immediately go to Jack.

00:25:30
Theresa: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, or she would have followed, or

00:25:33
something like she definitely would have just been like OK.

00:25:36
Amanda: But I also for some reason.

00:25:38
So it's just so funny what you remember and what you don't know

00:25:41
, what gets like conflated and everything.

00:25:43
I thought he stayed in the air in that little like mesh cage

00:25:50
like so much longer than he did I was gonna say I thought he

00:25:56
stayed in that net for so long and then all of a sudden they're

00:26:00
cutting him down.

00:26:00
Kip: I'm like oh nope, he's down just very quick but yeah, he's

00:26:04
um, so I think.

00:26:06
Amanda: So it's so hard because we don't want to spoil too much,

00:26:11
but also like I think at this point, like people have to know

00:26:16
something is up with this person , like like it's weird, his

00:26:20
story is weird, it's not making a lot of sense, um, but I don't

00:26:25
think you really know what's going on.

00:26:27
Kip: No.

00:26:27
Amanda: I think what's unfortunate I'm trying to think

00:26:29
if he was in was person of interest after this yeah, it was

00:26:36
after okay so like at this point really, that his mate

00:26:41
biggest thing would have been the practice then right?

00:26:43
yeah so I think that in shows in general, you kind of get this I

00:26:48
think you've talked about it, teresa and other things where,

00:26:50
like when you're watching a tv show or maybe whatever, and then

00:26:53
someone like I don't know if liam hemsworth appeared in like

00:26:58
the first couple, like oh, you're talking about it for law

00:27:01
and order, you were saying that, like when you watch an episode

00:27:04
of law and order and like a bigger star is guest starring in

00:27:06
it, you know they're gonna have a bigger role because that

00:27:08
guest star wouldn't be there, right?

00:27:10
I kind of felt that way.

00:27:11
Watching this for the first time with michael emerson, even

00:27:14
though he hadn't been in much the practice, was a really big

00:27:17
thing and he won an emmy for it and his arc was like very well

00:27:21
known and he was just so good at playing a bad guy that like I

00:27:24
already didn't trust him.

00:27:25
And I think sometimes that's like a risk shows you make by

00:27:30
casting these kind of like people who are like almost like

00:27:34
typecast at that point, because it's like I don't't think

00:27:36
Michael Emerson is coming on to play like Like the new Mr Echo.

00:27:41
You know what I mean.

00:27:42
Like he's probably sketchy.

00:27:45
But then it's like maybe that's why they cast him, so you feel

00:27:47
suspicious of him and then he ends up not being sketchy.

00:27:50
So it's like this whole thing, like I said, the second he's on

00:27:53
there it's like is he telling the truth or not?

00:27:57
Kip: thing, like I said.

00:27:57
Amanda: The second he's on there it's like, is he?

00:27:58
Kip: telling the truth or not?

00:27:59
I know you questioned it.

00:27:59
You don't know well, and we're led to question it by russo

00:28:01
saying don't trust a word.

00:28:02
He's saying he will lie.

00:28:04
And like she says, like he will lie for a long time like that

00:28:07
was a very interesting thing for her to say.

00:28:09
So, like the casting works against him.

00:28:11
We're told by russo not to trust him.

00:28:13
I think, saeed, I don't think they would have just left him up

00:28:17
there.

00:28:17
I think he would have wanted to get answers, especially given

00:28:20
that not that long ago Shannon was killed and he does he's sort

00:28:25
of moved beyond blaming Anna Lucy and he's blaming the others

00:28:28
, and maybe that's also why she didn't tell anyone, cause she

00:28:32
sort of has this like truce with Saeed.

00:28:36
Like I don't really want to piss him off, I'm gonna just

00:28:39
listen to him and let things kind of just do what he says,

00:28:41
because she's sort of like tiptoes around him a little bit.

00:28:44
But like I think, with um, with russo telling us not to trust

00:28:50
him, and the way he says things is like he's so good at that,

00:28:56
acting like mysteriously but like intentionally, because he's

00:29:02
good at sounding like he's telling the truth, but you still

00:29:04
can't trust what he's saying.

00:29:06
Theresa: There's something about it that, like you, can't put

00:29:08
your finger on?

00:29:08
No, You're just like not quite, can't quite trust you.

00:29:14
Kip: Yeah, exactly.

00:29:16
Amanda: I know.

00:29:19
Theresa: And the fact that he runs right away.

00:29:20
That made no sense.

00:29:21
No, well, I mean, I guess, maybe if he was scared tortured and I

00:29:25
I don't know, I wouldn't have run like if it were.

00:29:29
I mean, maybe this just shows that like I'm chicken shit, but

00:29:33
if I someone had strung me up in a net and then they cut, they

00:29:35
cut me down, but the person who cut me down wasn't the person

00:29:38
who caught me yeah, I wouldn't run, because then I in my mind

00:29:43
I'm like, okay, this person could be an ally, like I should

00:29:45
probably stick around, but the person who has a knife versus me

00:29:48
, who had just fallen I don't know, like 20 feet, probably

00:29:52
have some bruises and some pain but then we never would have got

00:29:55
that amazing line.

00:29:56
Kip: If I wanted to kill him, I would have.

00:29:58
I know she's so cool.

00:29:59
Theresa: She just yeah, um perfect shot.

00:30:02
Quick question what was so?

00:30:04
What is the first thing that he says is it?

00:30:07
My name is henry gale.

00:30:08
I'm from minnesota my name is henry gale I'm from minnesota,

00:30:12
okay, so why does he say where he's from?

00:30:15
Kip: because that's part of his story that he's telling them.

00:30:18
Theresa: But like, was he prompted for this or did they

00:30:20
walk up?

00:30:20
And then he was like, my name is Henry Gale, I'm from

00:30:22
Minnesota, I can't remember.

00:30:24
Kip: Is it weird?

00:30:24
Like if I was cut a net I wouldn't be like.

00:30:26
My name is Christopher Gunther.

00:30:27
I'm from Winnipeg or Manitoba.

00:30:30
Amanda: That's the question, though.

00:30:37
Kip: But you have what, what I think well, I just don't

00:30:38
remember if someone asked something, no, or if they walked

00:30:40
up and then he was like my name is henry gallop, he's not

00:30:42
prompted to give his home state, okay, just I think but to be

00:30:44
fair, if she had been like you're another, you're a piece

00:30:48
of shit you're whatever.

00:30:49
And he came across thinking that like I can't imagine you're

00:30:54
such a piece of shit, whatever.

00:30:57
Theresa: I hope that's how a conversation went.

00:31:00
Amanda: We're like you are such a piece of shit.

00:31:02
He's so calm and whatever.

00:31:06
Theresa: Anyway that's crazy sounding.

00:31:08
Amanda: But whatever it is, I'm sure she has been saying things

00:31:11
like you're another, I don't believe you.

00:31:13
You know you live on this island and torture people or

00:31:16
whatever it is.

00:31:17
So he might just be kind of programmed to say right away,

00:31:21
like I'm not what she thinks I am.

00:31:22
Kip: Yeah.

00:31:23
Amanda: I'm me.

00:31:24
I'm this person from Minnesota.

00:31:26
Like I'm not from here.

00:31:27
I'm not an other.

00:31:28
Whatever this crazy bitch thinks, I'm not that.

00:31:31
Kip: Yeah, that's fair, so it could be that.

00:31:32
Amanda: I agree it's kind of stupid, but also it gives us the

00:31:37
best line and probably the entire series, one of his best.

00:31:43
Yeah, not of the whole oh, it might be up there for me, even

00:31:46
just intent.

00:31:47
Like my name is henry gill, it's my favorite thing to quote

00:31:49
from this, but um, no, I, in the context you're putting forward,

00:31:53
amanda makes sense but it does just.

00:31:55
It does kind of seem out of, but everything does just there's no

00:31:59
like trusting him, like there's just nothing about him.

00:32:04
And the funniest thing is is his story is ridiculous, but

00:32:09
it's not that ridiculous, like.

00:32:11
Everything is like just slightly weird with this guy.

00:32:14
Yeah.

00:32:15
Kip: Yeah Right the ballooning.

00:32:16
Yeah, kind of like Bearing his wife.

00:32:20
Yeah, all these His he's rich.

00:32:24
Amanda: Yeah, he mines non-metallic minerals, his wife.

00:32:27
Kip: Non-metallic, like it's all just too perfect, almost yeah.

00:32:31
Amanda: Yeah.

00:32:31
Kip: A little too rehearsed sounding Maybe.

00:32:42
Amanda: Even just in the beginning him right away,

00:32:43
whatever.

00:32:43
What I find interesting is and maybe I just missed this, but

00:32:44
why saeed is so in the beginning is so much like we have to cut

00:32:45
him down.

00:32:46
We don't know what's going on with this guy.

00:32:46
What are you thinking?

00:32:46
Whatever cuts him down, he runs , tries to run, she shoots him

00:32:50
and then he's like 100 on board with like taking him back and

00:32:56
and and interrogating him like what changed?

00:32:59
Was it just the running?

00:33:01
Kip: no, I think.

00:33:01
I think that's what he intended all along yeah, I think so too.

00:33:04
He just meant like yeah, I think he might have like tried

00:33:07
to get him there willingly maybe , but then she shot him okay,

00:33:12
maybe walk him over.

00:33:12
Theresa: So, good, snipped, I carry, carry a whole body on his

00:33:15
back all the way back to camp by himself.

00:33:18
Kip: And he tells Locke right away, wakes Locke up.

00:33:20
Theresa: I love that.

00:33:21
It's just the picture of a sleeping baby.

00:33:24
Yeah, he's so comfy, he's so just toasty.

00:33:27
Amanda: He's having a better sleep than Sawyer With that

00:33:30
stupid frog beeline.

00:33:31
Can we get?

00:33:33
Kip: this B-plot out of the way.

00:33:34
Theresa: Yeah.

00:33:34
Kip: It's like it's so stupid.

00:33:36
Theresa: Yeah, I didn't love it.

00:33:37
I loved him waking up with his shirt open.

00:33:41
Yeah, delicious.

00:33:44
Kip: I'm so mad at him Well and that's the funny thing is like

00:33:47
Jin won't talk to him and he's like all surprised, I know.

00:33:50
Yeah.

00:33:52
Amanda: I didn't get that Like literally yesterday.

00:33:53
I literally yelled that the night before what do you think's

00:33:55
gonna happen?

00:33:56
Theresa: here, buddy, yesterday you said there's a new sheriff

00:33:58
in town and you called me killer frog.

00:34:01
Amanda: No one wants to do that would be weird.

00:34:03
Like you know, he's an idiot.

00:34:05
It was weird.

00:34:06
Kip: I don't know why.

00:34:06
They must have been searching for some sort of b plot to put

00:34:09
in here.

00:34:09
But that was a strange decision it was weird.

00:34:13
Theresa: The only thing I think we really get from it is that

00:34:16
Hurley is finally starting to like stand up to him, which was

00:34:20
fantastic.

00:34:21
Amanda: Not that it got him anywhere, because he still

00:34:23
killed the frog and put it in Hurley's hand.

00:34:25
Kip: You get an apology out of Sawyer though Don't get those

00:34:27
too often that's pretty good.

00:34:30
Amanda: Okay.

00:34:30
In terms of the B plot, I think it's dumb.

00:34:33
I don't think it moved the storyline out.

00:34:35
In terms of the B plot, I think it's dumb.

00:34:37
I don't think it moved the storyline out, other than to

00:34:39
show that everyone's still mad at Sawyer and Hurley to stand up

00:34:42
and be like I.

00:34:43
Might be whatever, but at least people like me.

00:34:44
What the hell was he dipping in ranch dressing?

00:34:47
That's what I said.

00:34:48
Was it mango?

00:34:50
Kip: I thought it was crackers or something.

00:34:51
Theresa: Okay, I thought it was a pepper.

00:34:55
Amanda: A pepper makes sense.

00:34:56
I thought it was a pepper.

00:34:56
A pepper makes sense.

00:34:57
Theresa: I thought it was yellow , for sure.

00:34:57
Yeah, I thought it was yellow.

00:34:58
Where are they getting squash?

00:35:01
Amanda: I don't know.

00:35:02
Kip: Well, and I guess that's the other thing that this side

00:35:05
plot tells us is, hurley has a secret food stash which does

00:35:08
come in to play later as well.

00:35:10
Correct In the series, but like Charisse is like what the hell

00:35:16
is that?

00:35:16
So that's like one little snippet and then, yeah, I

00:35:20
thought it was crackers or something.

00:35:21
I really didn't notice it too much.

00:35:23
Amanda: It was kind of like rounded kind of he was holding

00:35:26
it with like three fingers, I thought it was a mango at first,

00:35:28
though, and I thought he was dipping it in mayo, and I was

00:35:30
very disturbed.

00:35:33
Kip: It looked like mayonnaise from the get and the humidity

00:35:34
and time it's.

00:35:35
On that island it ain't room temperature is not lasting seven

00:35:39
years.

00:35:39
Amanda: I still think it's until opened.

00:35:42
Kip: Yeah exactly that's what I was thinking too, sawyer was

00:35:45
right that after you open it you got to refrigerate.

00:35:46
Amanda: I think it can stay at room temperature sealed for up

00:35:49
to seven years.

00:35:50
Theresa: Do they not have a fridge in the hatch?

00:35:52
Amanda: they do, but he stole it , yeah, right, so no, no, I was

00:35:55
just, I was just thinking like yeah, just outright like, but

00:35:59
you know they also have running water, because that's a lot of

00:36:01
ranch dressing.

00:36:02
Theresa: Imagine no one maintaining these things I don't

00:36:04
know how often they're getting these, this food, though yeah,

00:36:07
because, like because des is down there and he's got this

00:36:09
giant thing of ranch dressing, the minute he opens that he has

00:36:13
to put it in the fridge and it's not going to last seven years

00:36:16
Can you imagine you can't have anything else in this fridge?

00:36:20
Kip: You have one giant tub of ranch dressing.

00:36:23
Theresa: Like do they have meat?

00:36:24
Kip: Why does he need ranch?

00:36:25
I don't know, I guess is your question.

00:36:27
Yeah, like, and I agree.

00:36:28
Amanda: How many fucking salads are they eating down there?

00:36:30
And like, how are you storing all of this like fresh vegetable

00:36:33
?

00:36:34
Theresa: to like eat, you know what the problem is.

00:36:35
Amanda: Americans love fucking ranch dressing.

00:36:37
Kip: It's true.

00:36:38
Is it in Valley?

00:36:38
Amanda: Dip it everything in it.

00:36:40
Kip: It's the number one condiment in America.

00:36:41
Are you saying ranch dressing?

00:36:42
Yes, 100%, not ketchup.

00:36:44
Amanda: Chicken fingers in it.

00:36:45
Kip: Did you know?

00:36:46
No, yes, oh yeah, no Pizza crust.

00:36:49
Theresa: Pizza crust okay.

00:36:51
Kip: Chicken fingers, Chips People just dip their chips.

00:36:54
Amanda: In ranch dresses no, get out.

00:36:57
Kip: Did you know what used to be the number one condiment in

00:36:59
America Marinades Salsa.

00:37:02
Theresa: Salsa.

00:37:03
How do you go?

00:37:04
Amanda: You know why?

00:37:04
Because it's fun to say salsa, salsa.

00:37:11
Kip: If anyone can let us know that little reference, let us

00:37:14
know on our socials.

00:37:15
Theresa: Teresa is out to lunch on that one she's seen the whole

00:37:18
show, though, so she should.

00:37:20
No, I haven't.

00:37:20
Kip: I haven't seen the last season well, it's definitely on

00:37:22
the last season oh, I know what it's from.

00:37:24
Okay, okay, I got it all right.

00:37:26
So yeah, b-plot lame.

00:37:29
So, sawyer, what?

00:37:31
Amanda: a jerk.

00:37:32
Kip: Yeah, why would you kill the frog?

00:37:34
Amanda: that was mean, especially if Hurley.

00:37:36
And why would you do with your bare hand?

00:37:38
Like he's a weirdo like hurley was willing to take it away.

00:37:41
Kip: I mean, we all knew that's what swear was yeah, exactly, I

00:37:44
don't know, did the frog bug no one else?

00:37:46
They also seem to trek a long ways, you think it would have

00:37:49
been not that loud, like it would have been closer to his

00:37:51
yes, that's what I didn't understand.

00:37:53
Amanda: The idea is, maybe it's hopping away from them as well,

00:37:56
oh, and they're just following it this whole time and everyone

00:38:02
else is not as bothered.

00:38:03
I think the idea is that Sawyer's bothered by it, because

00:38:04
I think, like philosophically, and maybe like Sawyer's bothered

00:38:08
by it because Sawyer is just bothered, like everything

00:38:13
bothers Sawyer right now.

00:38:14
Everything is a big deal to him , everything irritates him

00:38:16
because he's living this sad, lonely, messed up like existence

00:38:20
at this point gotcha I think it's a bit of a metaphor for

00:38:24
like what sawyer is going through, but also my sympathy

00:38:29
for both sawyer and charlie.

00:38:31
Pretty freaking, non-existent yeah like I have very little

00:38:37
sympathy or concern and I love sawyer overall, but I like I'm

00:38:42
trying to take things kind of as they happen and right now

00:38:44
sawyer is not likable no, charlie is not likable saeed

00:38:50
still likable to a degree, but not great jack.

00:38:53
Not likable this episode.

00:38:55
Not very many people are likable Henry Gale's alright.

00:39:01
Kip: So I asked my best friend what does the frog story

00:39:08
symbolize?

00:39:09
It has many options.

00:39:11
I won't read them all.

00:39:12
Okay, I'll read the first one Human nature and minor

00:39:17
annoyances.

00:39:17
Sawyer's obsession with catching the frog, which is only

00:39:20
a minor annoyance, could symbolize how people often

00:39:22
fixate on small irritations, sometimes to the detriment of

00:39:25
larger, more important issues.

00:39:26
This is especially poignant in the context of the island, where

00:39:28
there are far greater dangers and mysteries to contend with.

00:39:31
And then I'll read another one reflection, reflection of

00:39:35
personal demons.

00:39:35
The scene also can be interpreted as a reflection of

00:39:39
Sawyer's inner demons and his struggle with them.

00:39:42
The frog, seemingly insignificant, becomes a target

00:39:46
for his frustrations and unresolved issues.

00:39:47
That's kind of what I'm saying.

00:39:48
That's exactly what you're saying, yeah.

00:39:50
Amanda: I do think it is, and I think bringing kind of Hurley

00:39:53
along makes sense, because Hurley is so unbothered yeah,

00:39:58
unbothered and thriving, pretty much everything yeah right and

00:40:00
just you know, and he has to like, he has to extort him into

00:40:06
helping him, like it's just kind of like sawyer at his worst

00:40:09
yeah right and like in the end it.

00:40:12
It shows that he's not changing , because he gets exactly what

00:40:15
he wants and he's still a dick he's still a dick and he's still

00:40:17
lonely and isolated.

00:40:19
Kip: Yeah, no, that's.

00:40:20
So.

00:40:21
Maybe there is a silver lining to this B plot in that it just

00:40:25
reinforces Sawyer for who he is at this moment.

00:40:27
Amanda: Yeah, so I mean again take it or leave it.

00:40:31
Kip: Yeah.

00:40:31
Amanda: So we see, said, and they bring Henry Gale back to

00:40:37
the hatch, and then things take a turn.

00:40:44
Theresa: Because Jack walks in and he goes.

00:40:47
You're just going to bleed out.

00:40:50
Kip: Well, I think that was a very doctor thing to say it was.

00:40:53
But I mean, I think the doctor came out in Jack pretty quickly.

00:40:57
Amanda: Yeah, jack's doctor's showing in jack pretty very

00:40:58
quickly, jack's doctor showing.

00:41:00
Theresa: Yeah, but also once he patched him up, he probably

00:41:05
should have.

00:41:05
I I don't love jack in this episode.

00:41:08
Um I I don't think he makes a lot of sense.

00:41:11
Kip: Yeah I think he does make sense for being Jack.

00:41:15
His doctor comes out in that his first instinct is to patch

00:41:20
him up, make sure that he's okay , and then I think, because he

00:41:24
was left in the dark about this, he's pissed off about it and

00:41:29
he's not in control, and so it's coming out where he's basically

00:41:31
fighting them.

00:41:32
He's fighting against them because he feels like they went

00:41:36
about this without him.

00:41:36
They should have included him.

00:41:38
He doesn't feel included, so he's automatically adversarial

00:41:41
towards him.

00:41:42
Amanda: I think that's true.

00:41:42
That's actually very on brand for him, yeah, so I think maybe

00:41:45
that's what it is.

00:41:46
It's more like we don't like the consistency of jack's character

00:41:50
at this point, um, but I I agree like it's just frustrating

00:41:54
because it's like he you're right, that's what it is is he

00:41:59
didn't make a choice Right.

00:42:01
And when he doesn't get to make a choice particularly I think,

00:42:04
when Locke is involved with the choice he does kind of go in

00:42:08
guns blazing and I just it's so hard to continue to watch

00:42:13
because he just he goes about things.

00:42:18
I think what frustrates me about jack is the things he

00:42:20
hates most, about what's happening with other people in

00:42:22
other situations.

00:42:23
He always falls into the trap of also doing right, like what

00:42:27
do you mean?

00:42:28
well, towards the end of this he's like losing his mind, like

00:42:31
and being kind of a dick, but I get it like he's got these ideas

00:42:35
in his head or whatever right well, and I think it's also

00:42:38
really frustrating because, rightly, lock points out or says

00:42:44
the thing about you wanted to raise an army, you wanted to go.

00:42:47
Kip: Why do you raise an army to go to war?

00:42:49
Well, this is kind of shit that happens in a quote-unquote war,

00:42:52
and I think that's also one of the frustrating things about

00:42:55
that stupid line and that stupid storyline of them putting

00:42:58
together this army and like that , like from the get-go.

00:43:01
That was just kind of one of those silly things that is done

00:43:04
because jack doesn't even follow through on that, he doesn't

00:43:06
even believe in it, really, as we can see he doesn't and but

00:43:10
that's kind of jack's issue is that he wants things to be like

00:43:13
very quick and dirty and done.

00:43:15
Amanda: And like he doesn't understand that like, and he's a

00:43:18
, he's a surgeon, right.

00:43:19
So, like they always say, surgeons are kind of like the

00:43:21
rockstar hot shots of like the legal profession or the medical

00:43:24
profession, and I think that's kind of what it is.

00:43:27
It's like he wants to kind of go in and get things done kind

00:43:30
of and then have it all be kind of cleared up by the end of the

00:43:33
day by dinner time kind of thing , right and not have to deal

00:43:35
with the aftermath, which is essentially what surgeons do

00:43:38
yeah, right, exactly, they come and do their thing

00:43:40
stereotypically from what I little I know.

00:43:43
But you know, that's what the stereotype is about them.

00:43:45
Kip: I should say right, unless you fall in love with your

00:43:47
patient unless you fall in love and your aftermath is you have a

00:43:50
failed marriage, divorce, divorce, but no he was very

00:43:54
naive in thinking like we should just what trust this guy or

00:43:57
just have him sit at the table.

00:44:00
Amanda: Well, I think that's part of it too is like he

00:44:02
doesn't think, like what Fine we stop doing.

00:44:05
I want to just very clearly come out on the side of.

00:44:08
I don't believe in torturing people.

00:44:11
I don't want there to be any like misunderstandings or

00:44:13
confusions.

00:44:14
I unequivocally condone what saeed is doing, but what is the

00:44:21
alternative to the fact that this is where they're at?

00:44:25
Jack has a hard time accepting where he's at in life yeah so

00:44:30
okay, you have.

00:44:32
Do we like how we got here?

00:44:33
Do we like that russo shot him in the back?

00:44:35
Do we like that saeed brought him here?

00:44:36
No, but here he is.

00:44:36
So what do we like how we got here?

00:44:37
Do we like that russo shot him in the back?

00:44:37
Do we like that?

00:44:37
Say he brought him here?

00:44:37
No, but here he is.

00:44:38
So what do we do now?

00:44:39
You don't like what saeed's doing.

00:44:41
What's the alternative?

00:44:43
Kip: or just like walk away.

00:44:44
Yeah, you know, remove yourself no, he can't no and like, um, I

00:44:50
like the line when, uh, you shot him with a bow and or you

00:44:55
shot him with an arrow and say he says, do I have a bow?

00:44:57
Like fuck off jack.

00:44:59
No, I didn't shoot him with a bow, like I loved.

00:45:01
Amanda: How say he just answered that question with like such

00:45:03
sass and like yeah, I, I mean part of it probably is that it's

00:45:08
hard for jack to like.

00:45:10
But then even I'm talking myself out of my own point

00:45:12
because it's gonna say it must be hard as a doctor to watch

00:45:16
someone be hurt.

00:45:18
Theresa: But then he also had no problem when sawyer was being

00:45:20
tortured so it's like that's, that's where I, that's where I

00:45:23
have a hard time same.

00:45:24
Kip: Yeah, you had no issue then exactly you were.

00:45:27
Theresa: You were pro it.

00:45:28
Kip: You were like we need this medicine for this guy that's

00:45:29
gonna die tomorrow, like that's what it was right it was, and

00:45:34
when you say like that, it's like okay, that also makes a

00:45:36
little bit of sense, but still it doesn't.

00:45:39
Theresa: It doesn't actually make sense, but no, because he

00:45:42
was going to die with or without it and and just it's just jack,

00:45:45
no it wasn't that for the shannon's yeah, it was oh whoops

00:45:49
, I thought it was for the other guy.

00:45:50
Amanda: No no, you're right you're right and like again like

00:45:54
we get it right?

00:45:55
Like, yeah, he thinks he, but the problem is, like I said, is

00:45:58
jack's very narrow-minded.

00:45:59
He's like get in, get out, do what I have to do and be done

00:46:02
with it.

00:46:02
Right, he doesn't think about these like long-term, like they

00:46:05
can't.

00:46:05
They have even this army thing.

00:46:07
I again want to, just before I say this I don't publicly do not

00:46:11
believe in torture, but in terms of information gathering,

00:46:16
in terms of recognizancy, type work, like in terms of

00:46:21
negotiations, in terms of all of this stuff.

00:46:24
Like lock even saying, like we had, like last episode, we had a

00:46:27
conversation with them, we made an agreement, like why would we

00:46:29
go back on that?

00:46:29
They're not going back on them.

00:46:30
We should think about this more .

00:46:31
All of that makes sense because if they're going, if there is

00:46:34
an enemy on this island, like, let's just say, full-on, we know

00:46:37
, they don't know where they are , they don't know how many there

00:46:40
are, they don't know what they want, they don't know what

00:46:41
they're capable of.

00:46:42
Yeah, why is just building an army and going in guns blazing?

00:46:45
What's that going to get you?

00:46:46
Yeah, I'm not agreeing with his technique, but saeed and lock

00:46:51
are right in the sense that, like they need to be doing

00:46:53
something more high level to make this situation work yeah

00:46:57
other than just going out and like shooting at people, right

00:47:01
yeah, exactly, oh jack, naive jack so what?

00:47:06
what's the long game here?

00:47:07
Kip: well, he never has a long game he just reacts, is all he

00:47:10
does.

00:47:11
Amanda: He's just a reaction exactly and I think that is like

00:47:13
at the, at the crux of it.

00:47:15
Kip: The issue is that, again, not okay with the technique, but

00:47:18
saeed is trying to gather intel that being said, I I

00:47:23
appreciated when lock said look, if you're looking to get

00:47:26
revenge or get back at anyone, maybe this isn't really the

00:47:29
right thing to do.

00:47:30
100 and saeed was to a degree totally, but like he kind of

00:47:36
brushes that off like why would I need to get revenge?

00:47:37
Kind of thing.

00:47:38
Amanda: It's like, well, you do and the thing is like

00:47:41
interrogating someone yeah, that's different questioning

00:47:44
someone is okay, police do it.

00:47:46
Other, like you know, people do it like it's the torture it's

00:47:51
the torture like you cannot.

00:47:53
I that's too far and also I do think that there has been like

00:47:57
studies to suggest that it is not that effective I've heard

00:48:00
that many times that people.

00:48:02
Yeah, you heard them enough.

00:48:03
They're just going to tell you whatever they want to hear

00:48:04
exactly I don't know.

00:48:05
Saeed seems to think he can tell the difference and that's

00:48:08
whatever.

00:48:08
So I don't agree with the torture part, but conversing

00:48:11
with people like doing like I said, like recon, like things

00:48:14
like lock, wanting to like actually understand the hatch

00:48:18
and like negotiate with people and have conversations.

00:48:21
All of this to me seems like, at the very least, should be in

00:48:26
tandem to what annalicia and jack think is important in terms

00:48:29
of security.

00:48:29
I don't think in terms of an army, but fine, you want to take

00:48:32
like a security type stance?

00:48:33
Yeah, I understand, but why are we not like?

00:48:37
It's not wrong to try to be like?

00:48:39
How do we exist within this world?

00:48:43
Kip: exactly.

00:48:43
So let's talk a little bit about saeed and henry gale in

00:48:47
the hatch there or in the armory , because it is an interesting

00:48:52
few minutes of of uh tv it's intense, very intense yeah, some

00:48:57
good questions yeah, and I liked there was times where you

00:49:02
could see like did he just catch him in a lie like the part

00:49:05
where he catches henry gale saying was rich and he says why

00:49:09
are you saying was?

00:49:11
and then he kind of like doesn't think for a sec.

00:49:13
Oh, I guess I'm just thinking in the past tense now.

00:49:15
How's that for optimism or whatever?

00:49:16
And it's like I think you caught something there, said A

00:49:19
little bit, and then, of course, the burying your wife thing.

00:49:22
That was very, very powerful.

00:49:24
Theresa: That was very powerful.

00:49:25
For the first time I believed that he was in love with her

00:49:30
Cause.

00:49:30
That was heartbreaking, like, like it was just so sad.

00:49:34
How many handfuls, how many, how deep, what did it feel like

00:49:38
to put her body?

00:49:39
Amanda: and I was like, oh, yeah , exactly and I I believe that

00:49:43
to my core, that he's right about that.

00:49:46
Like that, I also found any time henry gale talked about his

00:49:50
wife to be the parts that like were the least convincing to me.

00:49:54
Because if like you, like, I get it's frustrating, but if you

00:49:58
crash, landed on an island with your wife and she died three

00:50:00
weeks ago after you guys have been there, what did he say?

00:50:03
Like four months or something yeah like you'd be pretty

00:50:07
distraught, distraught, right.

00:50:09
Kip: Yeah, so I did find that, and then to build on that with

00:50:12
that scene was just so, so harrowing well, and then when I

00:50:18
mean, like we did get those glimpses of, we're like, okay, I

00:50:22
don't know if this guy's been completely truthful, but when

00:50:25
they close that hatch door, when Jack drags Saeed out of there,

00:50:28
that's when you know that.

00:50:29
Theresa: Look, that's when you know you're like all of this,

00:50:33
wow so good so good you have to man there.

00:50:39
Amanda: Okay, give the man an emmy for that one look I know,

00:50:42
but michael emerson is like a phenomenal actor like he.

00:50:45
You know, I almost sometimes think that like if you're too

00:50:49
good of an actor, you're just not successful, like you can't

00:50:51
be too good yeah like, because I think, like he's someone I

00:50:55
thought should have been, like just given way more to work with

00:50:59
, and like he's really only done a few major things, this being

00:51:02
one of them, the practice being another one then a show called

00:51:05
person of interest was quite big .

00:51:07
Kip: I thought it was quite big.

00:51:08
He's gonna be in a new um show based on the fallout series.

00:51:12
Amanda: It's an amazon show and like big, big budget good,

00:51:16
because he is such a good actor, yeah, so that's exciting um,

00:51:20
but he, he said that that looked same.

00:51:22
I was just like, it's like, just when you're kind of like,

00:51:26
okay, maybe say, because I think they just I mean it's damon

00:51:29
lindelof and carlton q so I wrote this, let's not forget.

00:51:32
But they do such a good job of like, especially when it gets

00:51:35
emotional for saeed.

00:51:36
You're like you come back around and maybe I'm wrong, but

00:51:40
I'll say for myself I came back around to that like fuck, maybe

00:51:44
it is that he's letting his emotions get in the way of him

00:51:47
and maybe he is personalizing this the way that um lock

00:51:51
suggested he might be, and maybe he is wrong.

00:51:53
And this is just some random guy whose balloon died.

00:51:55
And then you see that face and you're like or not what is

00:52:01
happening exactly?

00:52:03
it's so good.

00:52:04
It's like just when you're like convinced one way.

00:52:06
Yeah, you're like, because, like I said, I was convinced

00:52:10
before he started beating him and then he got so emotional and

00:52:13
I was like, oh man, yeah, he is getting a little emotional.

00:52:15
I think maybe he is letting his emotions get the best of him.

00:52:17
Kip: I think he's getting carried away.

00:52:20
Amanda: He found an outlet okay, that fucking look says all we

00:52:23
needed to say, I think okay, I want to briefly talk about Henry

00:52:30
Gale in a spoiler fashion.

00:52:33
Kip: Do we want to do that now?

00:52:34
Okay, so we're going to go into a bit of spoiler talk here, so

00:52:38
this will be cut.

00:52:39
So you're gonna be check it out check it out on our patreon um

00:52:47
the hieroglyphics.

00:52:47
First time we see those hieroglyphics it's terrifying

00:52:51
you didn't like that, did you no ?

00:52:53
Amanda: well, they make them black and red too.

00:52:54
It's supposed to be scary, that's weird.

00:52:57
Kip: How can they be different colors?

00:52:58
Theresa: I don't know how these like flippy things work.

00:52:59
I don't think it's that way, but like, where'd all the

00:53:02
numbers go if it's just going around?

00:53:04
And around and then I was like, oh my god, there's voodoo

00:53:07
magicka.

00:53:10
So I was.

00:53:11
Kip: I was unsettled well, that's good, because I think

00:53:15
that was the intent it was very.

00:53:16
It was very unsettling.

00:53:18
Theresa: The whole, like they were all yelling at each other.

00:53:20
Someone's getting beat up in the thing.

00:53:22
Locke can't put in 15.

00:53:24
He puts 16 in twice, yeah.

00:53:25
And then all of a sudden, and then the things went.

00:53:30
And then all of a sudden, red and black.

00:53:33
Amanda: I'm like mm-mm at least you know there's a bit of a fail

00:53:38
safe built into the fail yeah, so it's like you don't have to

00:53:41
get it right before zero you have a few like extra seconds to

00:53:44
do it?

00:53:45
Um, I actually found the fact that he put 16 in twice to be

00:53:48
the most believable thing that's happened in this entire series.

00:53:51
Like shit that would be me I'd be like I can't do it, we're

00:53:57
gonna die, it's just mashed, you got like a letter t in there.

00:54:01
Kip: You've got a q what are?

00:54:05
Amanda: the numbers again the at symbol by the way.

00:54:07
Theresa: Can we just talk about how that's the exact voice I do

00:54:10
when I'm pretending to be a man?

00:54:12
Amanda: everyone's like she doesn't sound like that,

00:54:14
literally right there that's right anyway, my point is that

00:54:17
that was believable because when you're panicking like that.

00:54:19
You would do that, especially for an old man who can barely

00:54:22
type on a computer hey, he worked on a computer no, he

00:54:26
worked on one of those adding machines oh right that

00:54:33
Kip: was haunted by the smoke that's right oh my god, uh, I

00:54:38
also liked lock saying to jack before all this went down um,

00:54:42
you know we're all others.

00:54:44
Being another is relative.

00:54:46
It's very, it's true, yeah let's talk quickly.

00:54:48
Amanda: I don't think we really touched upon the jack lock part,

00:54:51
which is very intriguing.

00:54:54
I'll just say right now I hate when jack's like shut up.

00:54:58
Kip: Oh, that was ridiculous, really rude, shut up he just

00:55:02
doesn't even have good arguments .

00:55:03
Amanda: But, um, that that piece again, we've said in the past

00:55:07
that they were going to come to blows, figuratively, maybe

00:55:10
literally, a lot throughout this show.

00:55:13
Kip: Um, this is another big one right where lockman's made a

00:55:18
decision he doesn't, I guess, essentially showing that he

00:55:23
doesn't trust jack yeah but what I think he doesn't trust about

00:55:27
jack is jack's ability to talk things through calmly, and so

00:55:33
lock made another choice to cut jack out of decisions I mean, in

00:55:37
retrospect, we kind of do see a pattern where Jack is left out,

00:55:41
and I'm not saying that it's not for good reason because,

00:55:44
you're right, he cannot talk things through calmly.

00:55:46
He just he reacts very rashly, he's just like, or irrationally,

00:55:52
you know, he's, he just he doesn't stop to think.

00:55:56
But because he's like that, he's left out of decisions

00:56:01
explicitly after being told he would be a part of those

00:56:04
decisions, and so there is an understandable frustration there

00:56:07
.

00:56:07
I'm not saying it's right because for the reason I just

00:56:11
gave about who he is, but I can get why he'd be upset 100%.

00:56:15
Amanda: And I also believe that, like if I was the doctor and de

00:56:19
facto leader, when people want me to be, yeah, and then I'm

00:56:22
brought in to like patch this guy up and do this, and then all

00:56:25
of a sudden you're going to turn around and just make all

00:56:26
these other decisions with them, yeah, I do understand the

00:56:29
frustration.

00:56:29
I just don't think that, like at this point I think he's shown

00:56:35
, I think Locke has reason to kind of do the things he's doing

00:56:38
.

00:56:38
Locke tries to explain things to him after the fact, but at

00:56:42
that point it's too late for jack right like he's not

00:56:44
listening to reason at that point no, and lock does a good

00:56:47
job of explaining it.

00:56:48
He's very calm and cool all the reasons we've already said.

00:56:51
Like I said last week, I am liking lock a lot more this

00:56:54
rewatch.

00:56:55
I think maybe I'm just grown up a bit and I'm more mature, but

00:56:58
everything he was saying makes a lot of sense, like I think one

00:57:01
of the more criticisms I've heard about Locke and I can kind

00:57:04
of still see is Locke has a tendency to have his hand in the

00:57:07
pot without ever actually having to get his hand dirty

00:57:11
right like he is like involved in a lot of these things and

00:57:14
around for these things.

00:57:15
But Locke is also always just like slightly removed enough

00:57:18
that he doesn't ever have to take the fall for anything, and

00:57:22
I can see how that would be frustrating I don't know if I

00:57:27
necessarily see that too much with lock.

00:57:30
Kip: Um, I'd have to think about that a bit more or kind of

00:57:33
review it, because I've never really thought of it that way

00:57:36
but.

00:57:36
I kind of have to view it again with that lens, but uh, I

00:57:39
thought he was really good in this episode.

00:57:41
He was very calm.

00:57:41
He was very like, smart about the situation that they were put

00:57:45
into.

00:57:46
Like, and this wasn't a situation that lock created

00:57:49
either.

00:57:49
He was just like saeed brought henry to the hatch without lock,

00:57:54
knowing it's not like lock, found him and created this whole

00:57:56
thing.

00:57:57
So like he was also presented with this unknown and reacted in

00:58:00
a much more calm, smart way.

00:58:02
Theresa: Also, it was never intended that Jack wasn't going

00:58:05
to know about it.

00:58:05
Russo even says take him to your doctor.

00:58:08
Kip: Yeah.

00:58:10
Theresa: That was always the intent.

00:58:11
He just happened upon it before that happened.

00:58:14
Amanda: No, I don't think that he's worried about being left

00:58:16
out of that.

00:58:17
I think it's just the idea that they did obviously deceive him.

00:58:20
Kip: Yeah.

00:58:20
Amanda: They're getting him into the armory because they knew

00:58:23
Jack wouldn't be okay with that and like that sucks Like if

00:58:26
you're Jack and you know they're deceiving you because they know

00:58:28
you're not going to like something.

00:58:31
Kip: Or that you're not going to like the fact that you're going

00:58:33
to torture someone Like.

00:58:35
Amanda: I get it.

00:58:35
I get it Like Jack, you know.

00:58:38
But then again it's this idea of him taking on the role of

00:58:40
like then he has to be the one to fix it.

00:58:42
Kip: Yeah.

00:58:43
Amanda: And it's like at this point, like yeah, well, we know.

00:58:47
Kip: yeah, he has to fix things, he can't let go.

00:58:51
Amanda: Locke is very calm and good in this episode.

00:58:53
I really enjoy him yeah me too what, um?

00:58:57
Kip: what did you guys think of the ending scene with saeed and

00:59:00
charlie?

00:59:00
What the hell was that about?

00:59:03
Theresa: I was trying to figure it out.

00:59:04
A part of me is like is saeed recruiting charlie to be his

00:59:07
lackey the way that sawyer did?

00:59:10
I don't know like, but do you remember?

00:59:15
Do you still remember?

00:59:16
Amanda: yeah, I think that is kind of what it is.

00:59:19
First, like, I just want to say that I do think like, so it's

00:59:26
how it kind of ends is like jack breaks in and essentially

00:59:29
steals henry gale no, it takes saeed away or takes saeed, and

00:59:33
so is the idea that henry gale is still gonna be the armory

00:59:35
yeah close the door and then whatever.

00:59:39
So I think maybe what it is a little bit is that saeed knows

00:59:42
jack's not letting saeed anywhere near that place again,

00:59:45
but I do think he is trying to rile charlie up into doing

00:59:49
something about it.

00:59:50
So I do think you're right.

00:59:50
I think he is trying to essentially recruit him into

00:59:53
being his lackey, but in a way a little more controlled way that

00:59:58
saeed does, which is, I don't know that he necessarily wants

01:00:03
him to go and do anything stupid .

01:00:04
Who knows?

01:00:05
But I think it's this idea like OK, so Jack thinks I'm crazy

01:00:08
and overreacting.

01:00:09
Jack's probably going to get a lot of people on his side with

01:00:11
that, but you know there's other people here who know how it

01:00:14
feels.

01:00:15
So maybe I can get him on my side.

01:00:17
Kip: I could be it, I and I.

01:00:18
I could definitely see that I kind of just viewed it as like

01:00:22
so I needed a bit of an outlet and I mean kind of thinking

01:00:26
about it now hearing you guys.

01:00:28
Maybe Charlie does make a little bit of sense in that he

01:00:31
was other than Claire, one of the only ones like physically

01:00:35
affected by and quote unquote, other, and so maybe maybe that's

01:00:40
why he went to charlie.

01:00:40
But he needed just to sort of like debrief a little bit about

01:00:44
kind of who these people are, and I mean from the tv side of

01:00:48
things.

01:00:48
Like it was also a really good reminder of what we're supposed

01:00:52
to think of others like manipulative, horrible people,

01:00:55
what they've done to them in the past.

01:00:56
So it was kind of like a good, maybe like also foreshadow for

01:00:58
us to be like this little monologue about how awful those

01:01:02
people are.

01:01:03
Amanda: It just was weird that it was charlie maybe he also

01:01:06
needed the contract, yeah maybe exactly um, I that whole scene,

01:01:11
though another part I like about it in terms of storytelling not

01:01:15
that I think this is an okay attitude to take.

01:01:17
Um is saeed's whole like.

01:01:20
Do you know?

01:01:21
Want to know why I know that he's lying and there's another,

01:01:24
because I don't feel yeah for what I did yeah I find that very

01:01:28
interesting because, um, that is a very interesting moral

01:01:34
compass to take, like a position to take that, and that makes me

01:01:38
wonder, like, did he feel bad when he did it to Sawyer?

01:01:41
Did he like?

01:01:44
and yet Sawyer was innocent right like kind of and, and I

01:01:47
think maybe he did and.

01:01:48
I think we did see that a little bit, so it's interesting

01:01:51
to me that that's how he sees it and that is going.

01:01:55
I find that kind of helps kind of focus the lens on, like how

01:02:00
he got to where he is, because we went from someone who's like

01:02:03
I'm never going to do this again to someone who's like I don't

01:02:06
feel guilty if I'm right.

01:02:09
Right and so is that?

01:02:13
Does that make it okay?

01:02:15
Kip: Yeah, exactly, does that mean you can just do whenever

01:02:19
you want, and then you, oh, whoops, my bad yeah, and it's

01:02:22
like, if I'm right yeah there's no guilt to be had, because it

01:02:25
doesn't matter what I've done to these people

01:02:27
Amanda: at the end of the day, whether henry gale is henry gale

01:02:31
or henry gale is lying, saeed just beat the crap out of him.

01:02:36
A man he met an hour ago who was shot tied up like that's how

01:02:42
he's drinking.

01:02:43
I personally think that you should probably feel some amount

01:02:46
of remorse for hurting another human being, no matter what

01:02:49
they've done or whatever, but saeed doesn't see it that way.

01:02:53
No, and is it because of what he's had to do and go through,

01:02:56
right, yeah?

01:02:57
Or is it because that's the only way he can justify it?

01:03:00
Kip: I agree, I think that's a great point and I I really I

01:03:04
love these sort of deeper philosophical meanings that we

01:03:07
can get out of even just one snippet of dialogue and and and,

01:03:12
really like mesh it out.

01:03:13
Speaking of mesh, that mesh cage.

01:03:20
Amanda: Who isn't that Kip?

01:03:22
Theresa: She made it clearly.

01:03:24
Amanda: Well then, I think it's more of a mesh cage don't you.

01:03:27
Theresa: It's a cage, it's a net .

01:03:29
Kip: What is a cage?

01:03:30
Amanda: A place to put a human or animal or I don't know, oh

01:03:36
boy, all right, teresa, get these rankings, these rankings

01:03:43
okay.

01:03:43
Theresa: So this was super hard in terms of giving people points

01:03:47
and taking away points, because this episode was insane.

01:03:51
We also didn't have that many characters in it.

01:03:53
Yeah, that did a lot, so a lot of this has stayed the same, but

01:03:56
that's okay.

01:03:57
Number 16 we have michael, with negatives 830, then we have

01:04:01
charlie negative 615, anna lucia negative 230, kate negative 80,

01:04:08
and then we have our positives desmond with 60, walt 240, libby

01:04:13
355, jack 585, sawyer 735, claire 805, echo 1195.

01:04:23
Then we have Jin with 1345.

01:04:27
Then we have Saeed with 1365.

01:04:31
Then we have our queen son, who has fallen to number three with

01:04:35
1570, locke with 1580, and then Hurley at number one with 1720.

01:04:41
Wow.

01:04:43
So perchance, I am no longer sunny side up, but perchance,

01:04:51
hurley, hurley.

01:04:52
Kip: Hurley Purley.

01:04:55
Theresa: Hurley Purley.

01:04:56
Kip: You're just like Purdy Gritty.

01:04:58
How many points did Locke go up this episode?

01:05:02
Theresa: What a great question.

01:05:04
Kip: It's okay.

01:05:04
If you don't have it, that's fine.

01:05:06
Theresa: He went up, I think, like 70 roughly.

01:05:14
Kip: Okay, that's pretty high.

01:05:15
I don't know for sure.

01:05:16
Theresa: I don't have it on me, but yeah, he went up a fair bit

01:05:18
because I was just like, yeah, that's a good point and, like I

01:05:22
do, I do enjoy a calm head.

01:05:24
Kip: Yes, yes, he was very calm.

01:05:26
Okay, before we do our episode ratings, I'll give you my quick

01:05:30
sneak peek into my character.

01:05:31
Theresa: Yeah, I want to.

01:05:32
I want to know who your bottom and your top are.

01:05:34
Kip: Okay, so top place is Saeed .

01:05:36
Yeah, and still at the bottom is Charlie.

01:05:40
Theresa: Yeah, that's fair, so he's not moving.

01:05:42
So Kate is now number.

01:05:49
Kip: Oh, I can't tell you that because I'm only giving top and

01:05:56
bottom.

01:05:56
Hey, Teresa, start us off with your episode rating.

01:06:02
Theresa: I'm going to give it an 8.7.

01:06:03
I was uncomfortable the whole time.

01:06:04
Um and that says a lot, um.

01:06:06
For me to feel uncomfortable literally from first it was just

01:06:11
chaos, then more chaos, then confusion, then unsettling

01:06:18
throughout.

01:06:19
Mean to feel.

01:06:20
All that in 45 minutes is pretty incredible.

01:06:23
Great piece of storytelling, great writing, great acting yeah

01:06:29
, I really liked it.

01:06:30
Awesome.

01:06:34
Amanda: I'm going to give it an 8.5.

01:06:36
It's interesting because I, in my mind, I'm like I love this

01:06:40
mind.

01:06:40
I'm like I love this episode so much, I love this episode so

01:06:42
much I don't actually think I love this episode so much as

01:06:46
much as I love what this episode does and what it's going to

01:06:50
lead to.

01:06:51
And it's one of those episodes where, in retrospect and that's

01:06:54
what I'm trying to tell myself is like, do I love?

01:06:55
I'm trying to treat each episode independently and like

01:06:56
as if I'm watching it for the first time.

01:06:57
What I'm trying to tell myself is like, do I love?

01:06:58
I'm trying to treat each episode independently and like

01:07:01
as if I'm watching it for the first time what I would give it.

01:07:03
When I look back on this episode, having known everything

01:07:07
I know about the show, it's probably more like a nine nine

01:07:10
point five.

01:07:11
But just taking this episode for what it is, I agree with

01:07:13
Teresa.

01:07:13
I was very uncomfortable.

01:07:15
I don't like the torture, I don't like that kind of stuff.

01:07:17
But the Henry.

01:07:22
Kip: Gale piece and the Jack Locke piece is solid.

01:07:23
Okay, interesting, christopher, in the realm of what Amanda

01:07:34
just said, like I think I would give it to.

01:07:36
I'm not necessarily treating it as my first time watching

01:07:41
because it's hard for me to remove that kind of remove those

01:07:46
influences out of it, but I'm going to give it an eight

01:07:57
because I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

01:07:57
Amanda is how, like, yeah, I thought I just loved it so much,

01:07:59
but I think I love who it brought on and what it's going

01:08:00
to bring forward.

01:08:01
Um, 8's still not bad.

01:08:03
It's a good rating.

01:08:06
I just agree it was kind of there wasn't very many

01:08:11
characters in it for a show that's very character heavy.

01:08:14
We only had a few who had great parts.

01:08:17
But overall it was an 8 for me.

01:08:18
Um, good episode, not my favorite.

01:08:19
We only had a few who had great parts but overall it was an

01:08:20
eight for me.

01:08:20
Fair enough.

01:08:21
Good episode, not my favorite.

01:08:25
Amanda: Well, thank you for joining us for another episode.

01:08:27
We hope you enjoyed it and we'd love to hear what you think and

01:08:31
what your ranking was, where one of them falls in your

01:08:36
rankings of the episode so far and for any of you who have

01:08:41
already watched it, if you want to talk to any of us about what

01:08:42
this episode means for the future of the show, we're happy

01:08:45
to do so and you can check out some spoilers.

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01:08:51
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01:09:03
Theresa: So shout outs, go to well, snaps and claps, thank you

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01:09:23
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01:09:29
We'll see you next week.

01:09:31
Theresa: Bye, bye.

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